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 No.711142

Can someone explain Gundam to me? Like I get it, a lot of people like it and they are really passionate about the fact. I've seen a few series over the years. They had different styles of art and design, they had different focuses, they had different styles. Yet none of them seemed half as special as the people recommending them to me seemed to think. Like I just don't get the hype.

Tallgeese is still the coolest design I have ever seen in a mecha.

 No.711146

Which ones did you watch? This is important


 No.711151

People fight in giant robots.


 No.711155

Gundam, Wing, G, Recongista in G, SD, Seed, Unicorn, Try, IBO. Like I couldn't even remember their names so I had to google them up. Hell for Seed I couldn't even remember if I had or hadn't watched it until I looked at it's page and remembered the retarded Jesus Yamato meme.

Someone always talks them up like it is the greatest thing ever so I watch and it always ends up incredibly bland.


 No.711158

>>711142

The only good Gundam is War in the Pocket. It's the one show in the whole franchise where people act like actual humans and not caricatures or the mentally ill. It also conveys the anti-war message by showing, instead of having some whiny 14 year old with space autism preach at everyone and miraculously not get shot. I still can't believe Unicorn managed to give us a protagonist more annoying than Kamille, and Kamille is such a bitch he tries to beat a bunch of grown men because they say he has a girly name.

You can add 08th MS Team to the list if only because if focuses on grunts doing grunt work, though the narrative shits itself halfway through because of a change in staff and becomes Romeo and Juliet with mechs. Also, MS IGLOO, if only because it's about Space Nazis testing out their wunderwaffen.


 No.711159

>>711155

Okay I think I see the problem here.

>Gundam

I guess I can see how you might not like it. It's one of those cases where it was a huge deal back in the day, but after everyone else has taken inspiration from it it can seem somewhat bland.

>G

G is definitely a love it or hate it type thing. Some people can't handle that much cheese.

>All that other shit

Trash

The vast majority of Gundam is not very good at all, and for some reason people only ever recommend the worst ones. I'd recommend at least trying 0080: War in the Pocket, 8th MS Team, and Turn A before writing the franchise off completely. The first two are really short, while Turn A is a full length series but is worth the watch.


 No.711162

>>711159

I think 0083, as one of the worst offenders, encapsulates the majority of the problems with Gundam.

When watching 0083 I couldn't believe any character, but especially members of the military, could behave the way they do and escape punishment. You have soldiers that openly disrespect their commanding officers, soldiers that refuse to follow direct orders, soldiers that put their fellow allies in mortal danger as "pranks" and out of petty jealousy, and besides some slapstick humor violence get no punishment. I understand a work of fiction can't go full autism when it comes to military matters and characters need to, well, have character, but Gundam stories tend to push this past any reasonable bounds. They're trying to depict the brutality of war yet have a cast of clowns that fluctuate between two extremes of behavior.

And it's not just isolated to members of the military, everyone behaves like they're in a soap opera, constantly miscommunication with each other, whining, crying, screaming and never behaving like mature adults. I get you need to spice the relationships up a bit, but the endless melodrama gets tedious.

This is what Thunderbolt gets right, it doesn't really bother too much with characterizing the characters (though that 20 second sequence of still images did more to characterize the blonde Federation pilot than most Gundam shows do in 20 episodes) and focuses on the (mecha) carnage. Gundam should be a show about mecha blasting each other to bits, everything else ought to be a secondary concern, yet most Gundam shows drown you in character drama about people so flawed and petty you can't help but despise them.

Also, the anti war message rings hollow when you realize they're trying to sell you toys but for whatever reason can't help but preach at you. I wanted to throw something at the screen when watching Unicorn whenever the protagonist started with his whiny rants. It's not even that I mind him pointing out how everyone is fucking insane trying to murder each other for no good reason, but the way he talks down to everyone while refusing to do fuckall to put a stop to it paints him as a complete hypocrite, and there's nobody around to smack him in the face and tell him to stop being a child.


 No.711163

>>711155

>Wing

Gundam wing is irredeemable trash, I love the designs but boy was it unwatchable shit.


 No.711168

File: 42ca972490b1699⋯.jpg (127.98 KB, 500x500, 1:1, cute idol has flashbacks o….jpg)

>>711162

0083 is just a fucking mess all around, but I get what you're saying, and I think the issue is stagnation. Just about everything wrong with Gundam seems to stem from nearly every series desperately clinging to the first Gundam's plot. Like having a group full of insubordinate, immature, petty little asswipes was kind of the whole point of the White Base's crew. These weren't trained soldiers or professional pilots, these were all just a bunch of fucking kids being led by a slightly older kid, all of whom got wrapped up in a desperate situation they wanted nothing to do with, and Tomino wanted to explore in a more realistic way what would happen if a bunch of random, selfish, hormonal kids suddenly had to jump in machines of war and go fight for their homeland. It was interesting, not only because nobody had ever tried making a mecha anime with the intention of doing anything more than selling toys before, but also because it was just a nice idea for a story. But the problem is, how many other fucking Gundam series' have nearly that exact same plot? The novelty wore thin after Zeta. And like you said, it's the same shit even in cases like 0083, where everyone is a grown-ass adult that's gone through military training and has seen plenty of live combat, and they're all still just acting like a bunch of asshole children. There's no reason for it, other than them being shitty writers or them being afraid of mixing up the formula in any meaningful way. If you need more proof just look at all the shitty Char clones.

And as a side note, space autism was an awful mess. I like the idea of psychic pilots shooting funnels all over the place, but literal fucking magic friendship lasers and homoerotic autism fields splitting a meteor in two in a science fiction story is where I have to draw the line.


 No.711169

>>711142

Be 18+


 No.711170

File: a4033d2d71d07cc⋯.webm (1.45 MB, 480x360, 4:3, ZETA.webm)

Check out War in the Pocket and Zeta.


 No.711174

>>711142

It's the kind of series everyone watches not because it's really good or anything aside from the original series and some sequels, but mostly because it's popular and because people want to join in the conversation. It just had a very strong cultural impact on Japan (if you ever played any Japanese videogames taking place in space you might realize after watching Gundam that the backgrounds are in fact colonies), and if you're into mecha, then Gundam is the mecha-equivalent of Godwin's Law.


 No.711182

>>711168

>and Tomino wanted to explore in a more realistic way what would happen if a bunch of random, selfish, hormonal kids suddenly had to jump in machines of war and go fight for their homeland

I wouldn't really call it realistic though. It certainly never reaches the levels of Lord of the Flies and they never suffer too much for their bullshit. Granted, it was a long time ago and the standards were different, but looking at it from today's perspective it's basically a bunch of misfits leading a whole army around the nose. It's basically Willy. E. Coyote vs. the Roadrunner, only with mechs.

>The novelty wore thin after Zeta

Zeta was already fucking horrible. We have an autistic little shit as a protagonist, again, who manages to steal a fucking Gundam (has anyone in UC heard of keys?), again, and then joins a bunch of retards as they LARP Looney Toons with an army. Cue Kamille whining like a bitch about everything and homoerotic space autism.

>space autism was an awful mess

Space autism and the Gundam Mary Sue combo steamroller is what kills most Gundam shows, especially UC where a single MS can decide the fate of whole battles. It pretty much renders everything else insignificant. Why bother with any other weapon of war? Just have Amuro get a bunch of bitches pregnant, raise the little fucks not to be betas and give them Gundams. Now, I don't have a problem with Newtypes and Gundams being powerful, so long as they're not so powerful they render everything else around them obsolete by merely existing. 08th MS Team works specifically because it doesn't have a whiny little shit with space magic and an invulnerable MS to get him out of trouble every time natural selection tries to get him of him due to his personality.

>shitty writers or them being afraid of mixing up the formula

I liked the premise of 00 despite the fact it was a slow burning dumpster fire in every other regard. Gundams being so OP made sense in context since the whole point was there were so few of them, facing against whole armies, and if the writers had a little more talent to handle the premise of trying to bully the world into global peace in a more mature way it would have been so much better.

That being said I hope to God they never make anything like Iron Blooded Orphans ever again. The murder midget made me wish for the likes of Banana and Kamille back.


 No.711183

>>711182

>who manages to steal a fucking Gundam (has anyone in UC heard of keys?)

Honest question, does real-world military hardware actually have keys?

Could some tank crew get stuck in the middle of the Afghan desert because the driver dropped the key and lost it in the sand?


 No.711193

>>711183

>Honest question, does real-world military hardware actually have keys?

Depends on the machine. Point is that this is the equivalent of you strolling into an Airforce base and taking off with an F-22.

You'd think someone would figure out a way to not let their super prototypes get stolen from under them after Stardust.


 No.711204

>>711174

It's literally a bunch of meme anime. Only the first one was ever tolerable. And even in the first one I was rooting for the Zeons.


 No.711220

>>711142

Best designs were Wing and Seed, it's a shame that the rest of them aren't as good.

Cagalli Yula is waifu material though.


 No.711226

>>711162

I am actually pretty disgusted with the Unicorn MC. He just violates a guy's mind using his patented Newtype mind probe as if that's "okay" just because "for peace".


 No.711238

>>711182

>murder midget

>bad

Him and lolicon Char were the only reason I kept watching. It was pretty lackluster otherwise.


 No.711244

>>711204

>And even in the first one I was rooting for the Zeons.

There's actually people that don't root for Zeon?


 No.711248

>>711169

I'm 42


 No.711284

Can someone explain to me why no one ever thought to weaponize Petit MS? I seem to recall a few armed ones in War in the Pocket but after that nothing, and they seem to be well suited for use in close quarters, especially against infantry.


 No.711294

Is Iron Blooded Orphans any good? Keep it simple guys.


 No.711298

>>711294

OP

Out of all the shit I listed it was the worst by far. If IBO was a person it would make a bunch of late 90s early 00s raprock bullshit, become irrelevant, criticise a world leader and then hang itself.


 No.711301

>>711298

I see, thank you, I was about to commit a huge mistake of watching 50 episodes now.


 No.711302

>>711301

Don't worry. I tried watching it and gave up three episodes in. I think I lost quite a few brain cells in the process as well.

A pity really, they could spend the money they waste on these trashy alternative settings to make one where Zeon won the OYW and explore that.


 No.711323

File: 323a83d1e635293⋯.png (635.4 KB, 640x704, 10:11, friends.png)

>>711301

I watched it together with other Anons, this picture pretty much sums up the whole appeal of the show. and why watching the whole thing is ultimately meaningless

Unless you like getting pissed off all the time, then by all means be my guest.


 No.711332

Gundam was also a reaction against a whole field of "kid + mecha = a great way to have fun" in anime. Remember, Gundam is considered the start of the "Real Robot" genre because shows before it were like Giant Robo- if the characters feel stereotyped or flat, they were amazing compared to the usual Monster of the Week. Nowadays the idea of a more realistic angle towards characters and events is almost cliche say what you will about Evangelion but it got people to admit that "kids + mecha = a bad idea" and once-pioneering Gundam feels cartoony in comparison.


 No.711337

>>711332

I think the issue is, like other have said, that Gundam never really evolved past the original. It's almost always the same shit, young sperg that the audience despises stumbles his way onto an extremely potent and unique MS and proceed to survive through the story thanks to superior (plot) armor, weapons and tech while crying like a bitch at every turn.

And when they try and change the formula they just end up with the same autistic faggot, only this time around he's an edgelord devoid of personality. And that's ignoring the fact these little shits and their overpowered machines ruin whatever fun you can have with the narrative because they're either ruining everyone's shit with their ineptitude and cowardice or stealing someone's hard earned achievements when the plot decides they get to be competent for all of five minutes.


 No.711339

The eye catch for Reconguista isn't bad. That pink haired bit has some nice hips.


 No.711342

>>711339

I forgot that even existed. Is it as gay as I assume it is?


 No.711346

>>711342

The dudes pretty much. The princess has a nice ass and shakes it well.


 No.711351

>>711337

I actually like 0083 for this, not because it fixed the problem, but because it played with it to the point of parody. A bunch of whiny supposed-adults screw everything up: the young hero fumbles constantly (fucking up his super toy), just plain sucks compared to seasoned pilots, and loses to an actual veteran in both combat and romance. Not only that, the bad guys of Z Gundam are born because everyone is too busy being stupid to get things done, making everything a huge failure. It feels like a fuck-you to the formula, but it arguably wasn't strong enough to get the point across, since everyone seems to treat the MC as a proper Gundam hero.


 No.711353

>>711351

It's generally a very, very bad idea to make the cast unlikeable. Why are you bothering with a story if you're not emotionally invested in it? And since everyone is a cretin even the fights are shit.

No, I'm just going to chalk this one up to the writers being talentless hacks trying to make the characters more mature by giving them flaws, only to go way overboard with it.


 No.711354

>>711339

That girl is delicious, but G no Renconguista is literally unwatchable, it's the most beautifully drawn piece of fetid garbage there is.


 No.711355

>>711353

It's like modern LNs where the main character starts off as total shit and gets shit on some more before rising to greatness. Only the "rising to greatness" is the events of Z Gundam, so the entire point of 0083 is to watch shitty people get shit on.


 No.711359

>>711354

Why are they so fucking bad at making protagonists? The only one I ever liked was Bernie and that dude from 08th. How can a franchise that has been going this long so consistently fail to make a lead that isn't a closeted faggot, a whiny bitch, a psychopath or all of the above combined.

>>711355

Kamille is basically the textbook example of how not to make a protagonist.


 No.711364

>>711359

Well yeah, he's got a girl's name.


 No.711395

File: d385aa91c3ae8f7⋯.jpg (40.83 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Judau smug.jpg)

>>711359

Judau is pretty cool.


 No.711400

>>711183

They don't, for that exact reason. To make up for this they'd be stored without armaments, or enough fuel to steal, or under guard if they need to be armed


 No.711445

>>711332

The first Gundam feels old, and the opening really out of place but so far I haven't seen any other Gundam show have a bunch of guerrillas slap C4 on the joints of a mecha and forcibly bring the heroes to a halt in a desperate attempt to defuse the bomb.


 No.711459

Why do they writers always force the faggot mc to kill a girl that was forced to ride the giant evil mecha, it kinda makes me mad that the girl that dies is a pretty interesting character design wise.


 No.711460

>>711459

Blame Lalah.


 No.711479

>>711400

Code Geass, despite all the stupid shit in it, at least had the good sense to require a key to activate the more potent ace customs. If you're getting outsmarted by Code Geass writing it's really time to rethink your approach to worldbuilding.

>>711459

Because, just like other shitty "character building" events like rape this is the kind of shitty cliches bad writers use in lieu of proper character development. Not to say overused cliches can't be executed well, or that it's bad when you use them in your story (nothing new under the sun, etc.), but as with everything Gundam, they beat you on the head with it every fucking time. At least Banagher was too much of a bitch to actually go through with it and someone else had to do the dirty work for him.

>it kinda makes me mad that the girl that dies is a pretty interesting character design wise.

That's every Gundam show ever. They throw any interesting plots developments under the proverbial bus so the gay MC has something to do besides whining.

>>711460

Who thought it was a good idea to feature a poo-in-the-loo?


 No.711529

>>711479

I still miss Marida, even if she was used goods, what's wrong with protecting a girls smile anyway, it's not like the franchise is gonna end just because you gave the waifubait a happy ending.


 No.711569

File: 518a25c61f882c1⋯.png (229.41 KB, 500x500, 1:1, fin_funnel.png)

I am >>711142 's fin funnel.

I am terribly sorry that my pilot has created such a thread as this one.

He really is a good person, but he's been under a lot of stress lately.

Lately, he has been screaming "THIS SENSATION, IS IT CHAR!?" every time he sees something red,

And mumbling "please lead me" every time he sees a young girl.

Just the other day, he ordered me to "shoot down the biggest dumbass in this region."

I wanted to reply, "that would be you,"

But knowing that >>711142 was even more tired than I was of fighting, I couldn't say anything.

This prolonged war is to blame for everything.

It's not >>711142 's fault.

I posted today because I just wanted to ask for everybody's understanding in this matter.

I am terribly sorry that a mere fin funnel has made such excuses.

Please, continue to treat >>711142 well.


 No.711640

File: f38b70cb262d235⋯.png (328.85 KB, 697x531, 697:531, jerry.png)

>>711569

>>711479

>Because, just like other shitty "character building" events like rape this is the kind of shitty cliches bad writers use in lieu of proper character development

It was actually much more gratuitous and unnecessarily detailed in the LN, I'm glad it was toned down in the anime since that was not the time or place for comparatively extremely edgy backstories. In the LN Angelo was also a gay prostitute (which explains a lot actually). It's just weird because sex and wartime rape is barely touched upon in any Gundam show, and in Unicorn's case it didn't even happen during a war, it was just an unnecessary facet for 'the world sucks' instead of the usual 'war sucks' message, and felt like unnecessary bad things happening to characters just for the sake of setting up tragic backstories.


 No.711656

>>711640

>It was actually much more gratuitous and unnecessarily detailed in the LN

That's nothing compared to what they did with Kiki in the LN. It was basically just edge for the sake of edge, no other point to it really.

>It's just weird because sex and wartime rape is barely touched upon in any Gundam show

How many times do they bother mentioning, or showing for that matter, that billions got killed in a nuclear holocaust just prior to the OYW? They reference it a few times but none of the characters really seem to dwell on the fact 50% of the human race has been wiped out in an instant.

Also, Gundam writers would handle wartime rapes and sexual violence with all the grace of a sledgehammer.

>it was just an unnecessary facet for 'the world sucks' instead of the usual 'war sucks' message, and felt like unnecessary bad things happening to characters just for the sake of setting up tragic backstories

That's basically why I loathe stories that feature female characters that got raped. It's either a shitty setup to make us feel sorry for her (and ruining a good waifu to boot) or as an excuse for her "tough girl" or bitchy attitude and unreasonable thirst for revenge. In the case of Marida it doesn't even do anything (like you said), her character could just as well work without "She was whored out" before returning to being an MS pilot. I mean, someone with her skills could have found better employment than being a prostitute.

I still don't understand why everything in Gundam has to be a mobile suit. Are the various governments in the setting shitting money out of their anus on a daily basis? How the fuck can they make so many of the things and misuse them for all kinds of bullshit? Unicorn had MS APCs, Thunderbolt had those two stupid fuckers using MS on a river instead of fucking boats. Why the fuck is everyone using mobile suits for everything?


 No.711660

>>711656

>Why the fuck is everyone using mobile suits for everything?

It's not Gunpla if it isn't a Mobile Suit


 No.711664

>>711660

I thought that hover APC from 08th was cool as fuck, cooler than any of the mechs in the show even.


 No.711667

File: d5635e1ee13c6fa⋯.png (71.86 KB, 320x401, 320:401, Fin_Funnel.png)

>>711569

That is a normal funnel. These are fin funnels. I bet you don't even have your own generator.


 No.711668

>>711656

>Why the fuck is everyone using mobile suits for everything?

Because no matter what philosophical baggage, moral "righteousness", noble objective, or anything else someone or some faction has:

Violence is Power, and it topples anything.


 No.711671

>>711668

No, I'm talking about the logistical aspect. Even if we were to argue that mass production has brought the price of mobile suits down considerably they're still 20 meter tall hunks of metal, highly complex hunks of metal with a lot of moving parts.

There is no way they are cheaper than bog standard vehicles, yet they are employed for all manner of retarded roles, to the point all military forces use mobile suits for everything. You don't need a mobile suit for artillery, a hovercraft that can deploy and move fast is perfect for the role, you don't need mobile suit APCs, not even in space, CAS, bombers and air superiority fighters should still play a vital role on the battlefield and be a legitimate threat to mobile suits.

I get that the point of the fluff is to see the models, but how come the yellow Jews don't see the kind of profits they could make selling models that aren't mobile suits? I know there's a few out there already, but they seem a niche more than anything else.


 No.711674

>>711667

I could have sworn they were all called fin funnels. So fin funnels are only the ones in Char's Counterattack then?


 No.711677

>>711671

In 0079 the use of Mobile Suits was justified through Minovsky Particles, particles which disrupt radio waves and any kind of long-range communication. So stuff like radars, homing missiles and long-range artillery wouldn't function at all in areas dense with Minovsky Particles, meaning you had to rely on sight to seek out your targets, which made close-range combat a more common occurrence in this universe. Mobile Suits are pretty efficient when it comes to swinging around beam swords and heat axes.


 No.711678

>>711677

Yeah, but imagine something like a beefed up A-10 with a nuclear reactor in its ass, dumb rockets and a bigass autocannon, or a tank with a beam weapon slapped on top. There's no reason why planes, tanks and the rest of the shit would completely disappear from the battlefield, especially when on the ground. I'd agree if MS were used the same way Starship Trooper power armor tends to be used, but even Battletech features aerotech (the flying equivalent to mechs) and tanks with enough punch to them to pose a threat to a mech.

Hell, they even have "recon" mobile suits. Why in the name of God would you use a 20 meter tall mech for recon?


 No.711679

>>711674

Fin funnels are not actually funnels at all. They are technically bits given they carry their own generators. Funnels have to return to the MS to recharge.


 No.711682

>>711671

>>711678

Gundams/Mobile Suits are Jets, Tanks, Submarines and Ships all at once.

They have the human form factor because it's malleable to every environment.


 No.711685

>>711682

That's just fucking stupid as shit. No amount of handwaving will make any of that true. A plane will always be superior to a mobile suit in atmosphere, Minovsky Particles don't magically make atmospheric drag disappear, a tank will always have a lower ground profile and be able to carry more ammo. I'll give you submarines but for ships, again, a dedicated vehicle is going to do the job better and cheaper.

And no, just because they never bother upgrading tanks and planes with newer technologies in the UC doesn't mean they are obsolete or superfluous. It's just that Nip writers are even more ignorant of warfare than Western ones.

>They have the human form factor because it's malleable to every environment.

See, that's the thing. Vehicles that try to be "one shoe fits all" tend to be inferior compared to dedicated ones, on top of being prohibitively expensive. Sure, you can use them for any number of roles and they are versatile, but if you can deploy your forces properly there's no need to worry you'll lack what you need when you need it.


 No.711686

>>711685

>A plane will always be superior to a mobile suit in atmosphere

>a tank will always have a lower ground profile and be able to carry more ammo

>Vehicles that try to be "one shoe fits all" tend to be inferior compared to dedicated ones

But can a Tank fight in the Air? Or invade a jungle from above and then land? Or go to space?

If you have an Army full of Gundams and another full os specialized Machines, the Gundams will win because they're not locked to an "X" way of fighting, they can counter Ships by being a Submarine, or by being a Jet, they can destroy Tanks by flying, they can attack Jets from the jungle, and so on.

Their fight is about mobility through every terrain and adaptability.


 No.711687

>>711686

>>711685

Also, humans were successful as an "intelligent" species because we are a jack-of-all-trades, we're not an specialized animal.

By committing a little to everything, instead of everything to a little, our range of possibilities makes us eat fish, hunt bear, dig underground, manipulate nature, etc.


 No.711688

File: 9d0cf56c62e786f⋯.jpg (47.79 KB, 604x340, 151:85, notthisshitagain.jpg)

>>711682

>the human form is the best form argument

>

>every fucking time

Anon, do you believe that scientists don't know how bees fly?

I mean shit, even in the very first show of the whole franchise the Zeong proves that the legs are not necessary as they are since the engineer straight up tells Char they don't actually need them.

>>711686

>But can a Tank fight in the Air? Or invade a jungle from above and then land? Or go to space?

A tank is a specific type of vehicle designed on land but since it's fundamentally a gun on tread yes, yes you can make a tank do all those things with UC tech. But not even MS's are actually designed to be able to do all that at once until way into Universal Century where minovsky particles pushes everything into super weapon territory. And there is still an underwater specialty MS being used and deployed.


 No.711689

>>711688

And you have no argument apart from "I don't like it, you can make a Tank do everything a Gundam can!".

So, make a Gundam do every a "Tank who can do everything a Gundam can" do.

There's no point in your argument, neither in this discussion.


 No.711690

>>711686

>But can a Tank fight in the Air? Or invade a jungle from above and then land? Or go to space?

No, that's why you have a bunch of other vehicles that can do the job.

>If you have an Army full of Gundams

Must be nice to bankrupt your whole country and hand victory over to the enemy. Can you come up with a better strawman than using the Mary Sue vehicle of the franchise?

>>711687

Thank God you're not in charge of any military.

>>711689

You're strawmanning extra hard. If you're using a Gundam as the stand-in for mobile suits then I'm just gonna use a Bolo as my stand-in for tanks. Can you stop being a disingenuous fuckwit?


 No.711691

>>711690

Please, really now, just accept the argument.

You realise that this is fiction, this is useless and this doesn't follow any rules, right?

Go pick a fight with the creators then, instead of behaving like a faggot.


 No.711692

>>711689

>asks if a Tank can do all those things

>

>when said yes automatically dismisses it on the same grounds he uses to justify the human form

A gundam is just a giant human shaped machine with excessively sized manipulators to utilize the badly designed guns it wields with said manipulators, and has equipment attached to it's body to give it the functionality it has. You really don't actually need that human shape, and on that scale it's actually a detriment.


 No.711693

>>711687

>humans were successful as an "intelligent" species because we are a jack-of-all-trades

We're not. The one physical trait that we dominate in in nature is long distance running. We are outclassed in every other way, physically, by other creatures. The one thing that allowed us to climb up the food chain is our intelligence.

>we're not an specialized animal

We're hyper-specialized. In fact, out of all the primates humans have the most laborious, complex and dangerous childbirth, an evolutionary trade-off we made to be able to walk upright. In rough terrain we are inferior to quadruples because we traded four legs for a pair of hands. Our olfactory organs are not as developed because we traded them in favor of better eyes. And on and on it goes.

>our range of possibilities makes us eat fish, hunt bear

We're omnivores, so are thousands of other species in nature.

>dig underground

Again, thousands of animals do it and do it better. If you mean we use tools to do it more efficiently, that isn't part of your "jack-of-all-trades" spiel, that is a product of our intelligence.

>>711691

>You realise that this is fiction

Fiction that strives to inject an element of realism into its worldbuilding, hence why it's part of the real robot genre, and not the super robot one.

>this is useless and this doesn't follow any rules, right?

No, go fuck yourself, you lost the argument and outed yourself as a retard.


 No.711695

>>711693

Oh, and before I forget. We have a shitty childbirth process because we needed to free up our hands to be dexterous manipulators, which we couldn't do if we were required to drag our knuckles around to maintain balance, hence the need for a pair of legs that could allow us to walk upright. And this all goes back to our heightened intelligence, a direct result of our need to create and use tools to overcome all the inferior traits we got stuck with.


 No.711698

>>711693

>No, go fuck yourself, you lost the argument and outed yourself as a retard.

I didn't lost anything, I just don't want the hassle of discussing something useless with a turbo-triggered on the internet.

Really, I couldn't care less about their form factor and neither the creators, it was made that was for the sake of coolness and you trying to dissect some reason is the ultimate stupidity.

Please, remove yourself from life.


 No.711702

>>711698

If you don't care why did you reply (and keep on replying) in the first place?


 No.711726

File: 98d91bf2590bb88⋯.png (548.96 KB, 428x973, 428:973, war.PNG)

I heard that only couple of gundam shows are good, namely War in the Pocket, Thunderbolt and Zeta (although all the comments here make me distrust the last one), but to I also heard that to watch all of them I need to see other Gundams to understand the setting. Is is really true? Or can I just skip the bad ones?

I'm starving for some mecha shows, relatively new to the genre, Evangelion was my introduction.


 No.711847

>>711726

Rahxephon is Eva if it wasn't shit, a meme, had a good soundtrack, and had an actual best girl.


 No.711855

>>711726

0079 and other stuff set in the OYW is good. Despite how annoying Kamille can be in the beginning of Zeta, it's still quite good, especially once Quattro shows up. But whatever you do, do not watch ZZ. It's not anime.


 No.711899

Okay I finally finished it. Reconguista is shit. It's only saving graces are the SoL ship scenes, and the eyecatch for princess hips. It us sort of telling that the most interesting parts of the story are the boringest parts.

Okay I like mecha battles, but you know after about five minutes I am going to get bored. I need a reason to care about who and why is fighting. Otherwise it is just like watching a colony of red ants fight a colony of black ants.

This leads to Reconguista's greatest fault, I genuinely don't give a fuck about the characters. Their motivations, personalities, idiosyncrasies were fucking tedious. Usually you can at least rely on the mask character in a Gundam series to be not complete shit. Nope not even close here.

So yeah I had to space it out over this many nights because it was so boring I couldn't watch it in one sitting.

I swear to god that if 0079 isn't as great as you are all saying I am going to have to accept the fact that Gundam fans are fucking retarded and have a terminal case of shit taste.


 No.711909

>>711899

>Reconguista is shit

Good job Captain Obvious. The fact the protagonist is gayer than a pride parade should have clued you in on the fact.

>I swear to god that if 0079 isn't as great

It's not. It hasn't aged well and nowadays comes off as goofy as fuck. Just watch 08th MS Team, War in the Pocket, IGLOO and Thunderbolt. You don't really need to give a shit about the wider political background of the setting.

Just remember, Federation are kikes, Zeon are Space Nazis that want independence from the Federation and committed a few war crimes in pursuit of that noble goal (and so did the Federation). It helps that all the shows I mentioned take place during or closely after the end of the OYW (specifically, Thunderbolt).


 No.711916

>>711847

This, Rahxephon is the proper Eva, it leaves you with a satisfaction feeling, instead of, well you know, unending confusion and despair that Eva gives you, just a reminder that Anno hates us.


 No.711920

File: 97f460ab9259d65⋯.jpg (46.97 KB, 475x438, 475:438, d0a15d6c1a6945aa1df2d2c642….jpg)

>>711899

>Watch shit

>Be informed that you're watching shit

>Continue watching shit to completion

<WHAT THE HELL, THAT WAS SHIT


 No.711923

>>711920

Sometimes, ignorance isnt a bliss.


 No.711936

File: ac6465c052f8b4e⋯.jpg (2.24 MB, 6000x8000, 3:4, 20100503.jpg)

>>711688

>I mean shit, even in the very first show of the whole franchise the Zeong proves that the legs are not necessary as they are since the engineer straight up tells Char they don't actually need them.

I was wondering about this too. Despite not needing legs, they keep giving them legs. I also question if the Zeong would actually be good outside of space combat. Later we get mobile suits that have flight modes but we barely have any mobile suits that have ways of transforming to move faster on land.


 No.712034

>>711936

I thought the whole excuse for MS superiority was that they didn't need thrusters to orient themselves in space, though even that is a flimsy excuse at best, since you're basically trading a somewhat more limited sortie time for a bigger profile and more mechanical complexity.

>barely have any mobile suits that have ways of transforming to move faster on land

I think that's because after a certain point they all just begin to zip around like hornets.


 No.712041

File: e6981f240aa7a92⋯.png (923.52 KB, 1557x1115, 1557:1115, b6147477ec60f9553170810519….png)

File: ede82f6bf80ddf9⋯.png (156.45 KB, 500x650, 10:13, Bq0X6rmCIAEiGB2.png)

File: 035364addf4beac⋯.jpg (94.69 KB, 850x1133, 850:1133, de24247c867e42fc95ea4be17d….jpg)

>>711920

People keep giving G nor Reconguista a try just because the art is beautiful and pic related.

The fools don't know that people are really being soft by calling it the shittiest Gundam ever, who figures on the list of worst animes of all time.


 No.712043

File: 4bc902625d22010⋯.jpg (353.87 KB, 930x768, 155:128, Gundam - Core Fighters of ….jpg)

File: 4f2e24f9d561ade⋯.jpg (2.7 MB, 5000x5000, 1:1, Gundam - All Universal Cen….jpg)

>>712034

>>711936

Also, land-based forms are lot less important in spess, where most of Gundam's action takes place.

How new is that chart?


 No.712046

File: 2c490ffb90add57⋯.jpg (59.91 KB, 476x640, 119:160, Deathscythe Hell.jpg)

File: 342b1d9d37def83⋯.jpg (164.28 KB, 600x800, 3:4, Epyon.jpg)

File: 13762e6ad5c9ce0⋯.jpg (189.38 KB, 800x600, 4:3, Wing Zero.jpg)

>>712043

>>711936

Best designs are Wing and Seed.


 No.712047

File: d3bce7085e2fbdd⋯.jpg (214.44 KB, 1200x1201, 1200:1201, Destiny.jpg)

File: 437a9d64e67d116⋯.jpg (514.96 KB, 2560x2434, 1280:1217, Freedom.jpg)

File: 2aa383605c60b29⋯.jpg (40.65 KB, 480x640, 3:4, Saviour.jpg)

File: 3635bcbaf32bd86⋯.jpg (98.24 KB, 1020x1200, 17:20, Strike Freedom.jpg)


 No.712050

I really just like the gunpla and keep getting suckered into watching shitty anime because I want to believe it will be as cool as I imagine. But it never is.


 No.712053

File: 6c52a88c5cb9552⋯.jpg (208.85 KB, 390x502, 195:251, average morrowind face mod.jpg)

>>712046

>used to think Gundam Wing was the most awesome shit when I was a kid

>watch it again

>90% of the show is copypasted animation scenes with slightly different backgrounds

Gundam was never good.


 No.712054

>>712053

Yes, most Gundams are shit, but at least we can sooth autism with giant cool robots.


 No.712061

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>712053

BAH. Watch 08th MS Team and 0080 if you want the best of the Universal Century. Unicorn if you want spectacle and grand music, Zeon Quest if you want alt history and autistic fun.

Also, watch Turn-A, you despairing faggot. You will come to love traps, martial pacifism, and post-apocalyptic stories.


 No.712095

>>712061

I was baffled at the fact that Loran spend a good chunk of the history in a dress.


 No.712178

File: f41b14efe4eb8b8⋯.jpg (20.93 KB, 258x322, 129:161, 1431221810506.jpg)

>>711923

>Sometimes, ignorance isnt a bliss.

Okay, I'll be gentle and simply point out to you that this sentence means something completely different from what you're implying. I'll let you figure out why for yourself.


 No.712186

File: d4ed8a5e9985aea⋯.jpg (22.51 KB, 480x320, 3:2, really rocks my universe.jpg)

>>712095

Maybe I'm retarded but I still don't get it. What was the point of the whole Laura thing?


 No.712195

>>712095

The MC was supposed to be a girl, but the higher ups nixed that idea so the team came up with the girliest little faggot imaginable.


 No.712202

File: 4dfa5e4fb792c0b⋯.jpg (722.41 KB, 2743x3224, 211:248, Loran Concept.jpg)

>>712195

You are absolutely wrong and I wish people would stop parroting this bullshit.


 No.712204

>>712202

So how do you explain what we got in the end?


 No.712206

File: c85b9b8c4179ce7⋯.png (313.96 KB, 585x398, 585:398, Harry Ord gives no fucks.png)

>>712204

Executive meddling or Tomino decided he wanted a crossdressing episode.


 No.712208

>>712206

>Tomino again

Everything he touches turns into putrid shit.


 No.712213

File: b12791fb476ebf6⋯.jpg (1.99 MB, 4200x4500, 14:15, Gundam 00 mobile suits.jpg)

File: 64571b08a621203⋯.jpg (197.15 KB, 549x650, 549:650, Gn-001hs-a01 Gundam Avalan….jpg)

File: 72a08cb06aca5fe⋯.jpg (470.95 KB, 1100x1560, 55:78, Gundam Harute.jpg)

>>712046

Love the 00 designs. Would love more art books of that guy's works.

>>712061

Always thought that oil/fuel gush when that Gouf stabs the mobile suit was silly, but a nice touch.


 No.714970

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>712186

A zany scheme which outlived its original purpose.

>>712208

He's not George Lucas, m8. Most of the time, he knows what he's doing.

>>712213

00 had some weird shit, but damn good designs nonetheless. I liked the Flags and Russian mechs best. Oh, and I liked the ELS. Fite me.


 No.714972

>>714970

>He's not George Lucas

Please refrain from posting things that will encourage /tv/ to post here. /intl/ is apparently back and taking up residence there.


 No.714986

>>711337

>And when they try and change the formula they just end up with the same autistic faggot, only this time around he's an edgelord devoid of personality. And that's ignoring the fact these little shits and their overpowered machines ruin whatever fun you can have with the narrative because they're either ruining everyone's shit with their ineptitude and cowardice or stealing someone's hard earned achievements when the plot decides they get to be competent for all of five minutes.

Are the Japs just that autistic? Why can't they simply create a Jet or that Mechanic from cowboy bebop and stick him in a Gunam?

Why can't we get a Jarhead gundam series?

It doesn't seem to be that hard of a concept to pull off.


 No.714992

>>714986

>Jarhead

Come on. Do 08th, War in the Pocket, and IGLOO not count?


 No.715051

File: c23eb73963205c2⋯.png (676.31 KB, 720x540, 4:3, sadness.png)

>>711400

>for that exact reason

And because it makes it really hard to scramble vehicles when under attack if someone has to grab the keys (worse, the RIGHT keys) and an enemy could disable an entire base by hitting where the keys are kept.

>>711656

The original Gundam actually has a reason: A mech can spin in space without spending propellent by adjusting its center of gravity (it's legit, astronauts do this daily). A normal looking fighter can't do this and is at a major disadvantage if it fights something that can.

Problem is Gundam often treats fights in space like in-atmosphere fights with cheaper backgrounds (there are a few scenes in the original that actually pay attention to this, like when they return to space and Amuro beats a bunch of Doms by spinning to dodge their attacks, but most of the franchise doesn't bother) and there is never an explanation for why one would use a mobile suit in a gravity well.

>there will never be a Gundam video game with Newtonian spaceflight


 No.715091

>>715051

>The original Gundam actually has a reason: A mech can spin in space without spending propellent by adjusting its center of gravity (it's legit, astronauts do this daily).

Is this part of what they call AMBAC?


 No.715143

>>715051

>there is never an explanation for why one would use a mobile suit in a gravity well

Because plot. In 0079 the Earth Drop Operations happen because of the production center of Jaburo and the resources of Odessa, and since Zeon conventional forces are at best on par with the Federation's, they drop the MS as well.

The novel handles it far better by making Luna II the main Federation base, leaving Jaburo as a general headquarters.


 No.715181

File: ba75eff2befb594⋯.png (385.76 KB, 626x440, 313:220, 1463259027286.png)

>>715051

>there is never an explanation for why one would use a mobile suit in a gravity well.

Because of scale economics wouldn't it just be easier to mass produce the base components for mobile suits and then specialize them through outfitting rather than having 10+ types of vehicles for various roles? Also makes it hard if you need reinforcements if you don't have the right vehicles available nearby or if you don't have the right tools or trained personnel to service these vehicles. It would be much cheaper and reduce risks if personnel were all trained in the same maintenance repair. It would also make it so any personnel could be sent anywhere. With Mobile suits in you needed to reinforce a point you could just transfer a couple squads, re-outfit them in a few days and you are good to go.

Obviously in an ideal world you could have your tanks, planes and ships, but with the mess that war brings I bet the people in charge would kill to have a standardized jack of all trades machine.

Furthermore, Zeon would have known they were going to lose in the long run purely due to economics and scale of production so they turned to producing many experimental designs hoping to find some kind of super weapon that could wipe out many of the mass produced feddie mobile suits in order to regain the advantage.


 No.715190

>>715181

>Zeon would have known they were going to lose in the long run purely due to economics and scale of production

Actually no, unless you extend the long run to a year or two beyond the OYW.

The Federation had superior production capacity but lacked refined MS production lines, veteran pilots, and a coherent doctrine for MS use. Zeon loses anyway because they manage to neutralize their own advantages, like producing the Gelgoog when they no longer had the aces capable of using it effectively or firing the colony laser prematurely and burning it out in the process.


 No.715200

>>715190

I stand corrected.


 No.715225


 No.715441

File: 9e5ba16434a0efa⋯.jpg (72.2 KB, 960x731, 960:731, 9e5ba16434a0efaf89fc13a469….jpg)

File: 9be49563123bc1d⋯.gif (822.8 KB, 283x239, 283:239, 1446133629258.gif)

File: ee22113c6128f41⋯.png (865.43 KB, 1280x1854, 640:927, ee22113c6128f4134339f6582b….png)

IBO IS FUCKING SHIT

SHIIIIITTTTTT

MCGILLIS WAS RIGHT TO PURGE AND REMAKE GJALLAHORN


 No.715614

>>715441

IBO was an actual meme show. The only reason anons kept up with it was to see Okada's retarded twists and melodrama, forgetting that she does disappointment better than anyone.


 No.715618

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Will we ever see the rise of a Patrician Nip making Gundam the space opera we always wanted? Just throw the fucking Hero archetype and create a grandiose saga, an epic of honour and glory, powerful emotions and knightly spirit.


 No.715627

>>715618

Maybe the not-a-remake of Legend of the Galactic Heroes will be so shit that people will demand what you're looking for.


 No.715657

File: 4762e0f4daef457⋯.jpg (69.97 KB, 1000x857, 1000:857, 22-24-45-metal-robot-damas….jpg)

>>715627

I want to believe, let them play Wagner and Verdi, let the Eurasian Alliance crush the degenerate Democratic Union Americana and the inhuman Eastasian Bloc.


 No.715677

File: f5a04dc2fb089f4⋯.jpg (87.06 KB, 960x720, 4:3, 1466994592249.jpg)

>>711855

>It's not anime.

Fuck, you got me.


 No.716054

>>711162

>>711168

I unironically love and enjoy 0083 despite its problems. The OVA quality animation and designs makes it worth watching. Also without seeing it means you can't participate in its memes.


 No.716089

>>711182

Mikazuki had potential, but I think they fucked it up. Ignoring the obvious character faults from poor writing, that this thread has delved into plaguing the series. One thing I never understood was the continued insistence on

>I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE FIGHT LIKE THIS!

be it from the horrified mooks, or in awe from Tekkadan/MacGillis/Julieta, etc.

But he's just zipping around, swinging a club. It's little more than a really fast kid with a bat, beating the shit out of things.

This is kind of irrelevant, but I thought it'd have been cooler/made more sense, if he fought like a literal animal, and they made Barbatos even more demonic. Like, give it teeth and jaws, to bite into shit and rip apart.

It also stuck out to me, because Barbatos did slowly become more like this, aesthetically, over the series, and yet we rarely saw Mikazuki do anything that'd warrant a "B-BAKANA."

Did he even use those bigass claws he got at some point? Basically all I remembered was him using Mace-chan, and his tail.

As far as everything else about IBO, I've got a laundry list of problems with that piece of shit.

But I think the idea of a fresh AU, good suit designs, and focusing on more "down and dirty" actions, was a step in the right direction.

The execution was ass, but I think there's seeds here for something good, down the line, in another new series, unrelated to this.


 No.716106

>>716089

>But he's just zipping around, swinging a club. It's little more than a really fast kid with a bat, beating the shit out of things.

It's the fluid human movements, since he's a space rat who's brain and spine was permanently altered to literally fuse his mind with any machine he hooks up to with those spines jutting out of his back as if it were an extension of his own body. The problem is that it's not really being conveyed properly thanks to all the QUALITY of the animation, so the subtle fluid movements implied early on are never properly shown.


 No.719436

>>716089

>This is kind of irrelevant, but I thought it'd have been cooler/made more sense, if he fought like a literal animal, and they made Barbatos even more demonic. Like, give it teeth and jaws, to bite into shit and rip apart.

So you would like a mobile suit more like EVA Unit 1.


 No.719440

File: 672bd1f8ac27843⋯.png (13.89 KB, 306x245, 306:245, 1439646386118.png)

>mfw after finishing IBO S1

>mfw Cartman getting Kircheis'd

>mfw all the cool shit they could've done with the setting and world elements but instead opted for muh kazoku and a boring one-sided struggle against Gjallarhorn

At least I have the desire to get a Barbatos gunpla now


 No.719539

So did anyone else like ZZ? I know it's not anime but I love how the tone flip flops between wacky hijinks and tragedy. I really liked zeta too even though most of the fight scenes felt like toy commercials.


 No.720153

>>719440

Haven't watched it yet. So it doesn't turn into Gundam: A-Team edition?


 No.720174

>>720153

That would actually be fun, so of course it can't ever happen.


 No.720177

>>720174

That's a shame. I thought, since they were a mercenary group, that they would constantly take on missions from all sorts of people. One mission they're transporting drugs and stolen weapons and the next they're helping Gjallarhorn annihilate martians. Always being sent on missions that were too extreme or too cruel for some to dirty their hands with.

Actually wasn't that what Gundam Wing was kind of about? Mercenary groups with OP mobile suits?


 No.720811

File: f1f9250462bb16d⋯.jpg (36.78 KB, 480x480, 1:1, 1486992208421.jpg)

File: 1ebf81206af9fd0⋯.jpg (132.09 KB, 400x629, 400:629, 1487119824677.jpg)

File: c7b9fe1a48112be⋯.jpg (140.68 KB, 1008x399, 48:19, 1487124682281.jpg)

File: c6c012b23b74863⋯.png (192.77 KB, 600x357, 200:119, c6c012b23b748631c8ffeb85a3….png)

File: d4b6bfd8b51d824⋯.jpg (552.13 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, IBO what I got.jpg)

>>711294

I would say it's got the same sentiment as Gundam 00 in which they completely scrapped what people expected of season 2. Season 1 has less meandering plots, bothered to have a bittersweet ending, had mecha designs that were spartan-yet-alien, and had the best Heero clone and char clone out of the AUs.

The real problem is that the author decides to take the meta-commentary too far and say not-/pol/ is on the (((wrong side of history))) and that (((Gjallahorn))) is simply too big to fail.

>best pilot in the solar system, a murder manlet, manages to kill a rogue drone A.I. that is worthy of crowning someone ruler of the world

>murder manlet has used his gundam so much he's literally useless without it

>adopted son of (((Gjallahorn))) Char "boipussy" McGuinness decides that crazy af spacenoid should be king of the world, and stirs up a coup detat

>McGuinness greatly overestimates his lynchpin as a typical MC gundam that has invincible plot armor

>rest of (((Gjallahorn))) gets back in the captain's chair and executes Order 66

>(((Gjallahorn))) corners murder manlet and McGuinness using the press and false flagging stunts for an excuse to whip out their WMDs

>McGuinness dies without a candle to his name

>Tekkadan, murder manlet's team, only has enough strength to disband to hide their noncombatants, and everyone else goes down swinging

>"b-but (((Gjallahorn)))'s the good guys!"

That said, if you ever wanted an Armored Core anime with a bit of MGS4, I'd say it fits the bill along with Viper's Creed.

If you want Zeon being the good guys, Thunderbolt does a similar thing without dropping a lot of plot investment. Shame they have the opposite effect on their mecha designs, where it's kibble and accessories aplenty.


 No.720815

>>720811

>too big to fail

I can see that being possible.

>good guys

What? Aren't these fuckers as bad as the Feddies, if not worse?


 No.720818

>>720811

Oh also:

>Zeke good guys

There seriously needs to be an OVA, novel, or what have you about an alternate UC where General Revill either died at Loum or was otherwise unable to give his "Zeon is Exhausted" speech, thereby ending the One Month War in victory for Zeon.


 No.720830

File: 9c20950776bb61a⋯.jpg (15.19 KB, 327x214, 327:214, when the enemy pilot says ….jpg)

>>720818

>Alternate OYW where Zeon wins

How the hell have Sunrise not caught on to how many shekels this would rake in for them yet? Even if it's just a 3 episode OVA.


 No.720837

>>720830

They're saving it for when they truly run out of ideas. This timeline can stretch very far if they wanted.


 No.720838

File: 31ee80e4da50619⋯.jpg (64.96 KB, 500x350, 10:7, Mikazuiki.jpg)

>>720815

They're definitely worse than the feddies, because their ranks are also filled with loonies that would make the Britannians from Code Geass proud. For every redeemable person like the Gaelio, Almira, and Carta, you get useful idiots like Ein and Iok, and full-jew Rustal Elion.

I can't find the interview with Mari Okada about this, but shortly before the show wrapped up, there were a couple quips from her that Tekkaden was never meant to win, and that Gjallahorn is justified in what they do because a world without them would be chaos. You can definitely feel the sentiment at least, because Gjallahorn decides to give Mars autonomy to govern themselves after they slaughtered Tekkaden.


 No.720847

File: 3a2b63a70b3c7d2⋯.jpg (18.88 KB, 320x240, 4:3, b92d7fb7062c9559e89bed34bd….jpg)

>there are people in this thread who advocate watching out of production order


 No.720848

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>720830

>Even if it's just a 3 episode OVA.

How about a minute and a half OVA?


 No.720851

File: cbafe53a4374b70⋯.png (392.32 KB, 855x738, 95:82, when you nut right as the ….png)

>>720848

Damn, I really need to work on my kanji so I can play these games.


 No.720852

>>720848

Nah. Too peaceful. Needs more Feddies fighting and dying.


 No.720855

>>720851

Quite often many gundam games feature exclusive OVA cutscenes and sometimes touch-ups of older OVAs.


 No.720865

File: 2258d531fa4edd1⋯.webm (2.95 MB, 640x480, 4:3, [BBT-RMX] Gundam Wing End….webm)

>>716089

>I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE FIGHT LIKE THIS!

>But he's just zipping around, swinging a club. It's little more than a really fast kid with a bat, beating the shit out of things.

Reminds me of Endless Waltz where Duo fights a mobile suit that he deduces is being piloted by Trowa because he recognizes Trowa's unique combat style of standing still and shooting a gatling gun.


 No.720949

>>711332

The solution is obvious - DON' HAVE STUPID KIDS PILOTING MECHA.

Or better ye, don't have them at all.


 No.720952

File: 90f74044c5cda7c⋯.gif (1.99 MB, 400x240, 5:3, dog.gif)

>>711698

>loses argument

>proceeds to claim arguing is pointless and everyone else is stupid


 No.721042

>>711158

preach




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