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 No.718217

>Tfw you really like the 'reborn in an alternate world'/'stuck in an mmo' trope

>Everyone else wont stop bitching about it and want haremshit back

>mfw this isn't changing any time soon as hikkimori escapism is a bottomless money well.

 No.718228

Isekai is just a way to set up a fish out of water protagonist in a fantasy world. Since it is a fantasy world, the rules and specifics of how it works needs to be explained to the audience, and the protagonist being just as clueless as them is a good way to do that, along with making him more relatable.

The problem I think is that most of them are just really cheap and badly written chuuni power fantasies. I like isekai just because I like interesting fantasy worlds, but often they aren't that interesting. With the success of Konosuba and a few others, all the hacks are coming out of the woodwork and trying to recreate that success thinking that all they need is a premise that's just isekai but with a twist, instead of interesting worlds, well-written characters, engaging plots; good writing in general. I don't think people hate the idea, they just hate the uncreative garbage bad authors are putting out as a result of its popularity.


 No.718229

>>718217

But aren't most isekai also haremshit?


 No.718235

>>718217

>>Everyone else wont stop bitching about it and want haremshit back

I would rather every anime be about amish slice-of-life than get haremshit back.


 No.718240

>>718229

theres two types - chuuni power fantasy with harems or patricians choice which is something like only sense online where the focus is crafting and worldbuilding.


 No.718241

Best isekai is Naruku no Adu.


 No.718243

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>>718217

The only good Isekai are the ones with autistic skeletons as the MC.


 No.718254

>>718243

Albedo pls go.


 No.718260

File: 8978a7732042d2a⋯.jpg (17.65 KB, 259x194, 259:194, rayearth.jpg)

File: 9354303c7abcc4c⋯.jpg (20.84 KB, 259x194, 259:194, timetravel.jpg)

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File: cf98fea255e0cf5⋯.jpg (11.11 KB, 180x254, 90:127, kingdom.jpg)

older "trapped in an other world" used to be better since it had an actual story beyond the isekai gimick.

nowadays its just bandwagon jumping on whats popular

also

>light novels

>718228

stuff like konsouba, re:zero, grimgar etc. seem more like a reaction to the power fantasy stuff

focusing more on the consequenses and problems of being transported.

but you are correct about the hacks not getting that and just trying to copy paste it.

>fucking cargo cult writing.


 No.718261

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>>718217

The overall concept is inherently attractive. Before the Isekai trend hit the current fever pitch it's at right now, there had been books about this kind of thing for almost a century. The Barsoom series, first published in 1912, was about a guy who gets accidentally teleported to Mars where he had super powers and instantly became the hero to everyone and got all the hot girls. I even remember reading a few books that were very isekai-ish when I was growing up. Stuff like "teen kid gets teleported to a medieval world and must save the day with his modern smarts!"

My biggest problem with the current trend of isekai stories is that so many of them show an incredibly poor understanding of game design and RPGs as a vidya genre. Most of them have outlandish, impossibly broken mechanics that everyone in the game world could have easily figured out how to exploit, but they're all apparently too dumb. Then the MC gets dropped in and he's like "oh, if we just do [REALLY EASY THING] we can get infinite XP and Gold!" or "If I just level up this one skill, I'm unstoppable!".. and as a fa/tg/uy, nothing schisms my 'tism more than shitty game design.


 No.718262

>>718261

Read Only Sense Online or that one with the lewd fox queen to calm your tism.


 No.718263

>>718261

>Then the MC gets dropped in and he's like "oh, if we just do [REALLY EASY THING] we can get infinite XP and Gold!" or "If I just level up this one skill, I'm unstoppable!".. and as a fa/tg/uy, nothing schisms my 'tism more than shitty game design.

That only happens in that shitty Cellphone one.


 No.718264

File: 2047dad161ea77d⋯.png (371.48 KB, 763x704, 763:704, pep talk desu ga, nani ka.png)

>>718263

Heresy Spider and Exterminator are also like that.


 No.718265

>>718264

Kumoko is cute enough to carry it though.


 No.718267

>>718261

I don't see the appeal in having OP main characters. You either remove any tension because you know the good guys can never lose, or you just make the bad guys equally overpowered and you've basically gone back to a normal scenario except all the numbers are inflated like in a shitty MMO.


 No.718269

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>>718265

Yeah, the best parts of the series are her being cute, strategizing, and musing about her options while being cute.


 No.718270

My biggest problem with "I got teleported into an MMO" isekai is that rather than make me feel like the character is growing and getting stronger/smarter/whatever they lazily finish a fight and say

>look at that [list of skills] leveled up so I can do X, Y and Z now

or

>Good thing I leveled up [skill] otherwise that would have been a problem

Heresy spider is a great example of this. Re:Monster is obviously the best example of this but Re:Monster is the best example of everything wrong with isekai so it's unfair to use it.

>>718240

>Only sense online is patrician

That's a load of crap. It's fundamentally the same problems. MC is the only person to take certain senses because everyone views them as useless and is the only one to buy farmland because everyone views it as useless etc etc and then surprise they are actually useful and MC becomes well regarded for this. Same with the other one with the fairy queen and dragon queen harem where the MC is an archer crafter and everyone thought it was useless but MC actually becomes the most famous player because of it. It's just crap regardless of how you spin the emphasis.


 No.718271

>>718270

Thats based on the other characters being stupid. The bad ones are the "oh i have this unique cheat ability nobody else has"


 No.718275

>>718271

Isekai where everyone else except the hikki are idiots, but the universe is expected to be taken seriously and not as a comedy, are just as bad.


 No.718278

>>718271

The best stories are all about characters utilizing really shitty powers in amazing ways. We need more of those.


 No.718279

Would you watch an isekai story if there were a dickhead GM involved? Like a Hand of God to slap down uppity protags looking for cheap exploits and being really autistic about maintaining the intended roleplaying experience?


 No.718281

>>718279

thats heresy spider.


 No.718283

>>718281

Well then I should really start reading that shouldn't I? pls no bully


 No.718284

>>718264

Aren't Heresy Spider's broken abilities due to an actual glitch? I've only read the manga so maybe I'm wrong, but a few of her abilities genuinely appear to be bugged. Plus it sort of makes sense that's she's taking advantage of exploits nobody else is, since the only ones with access to her abilities aren't normally capable of thinking about thinks like minmaxing or long-term strategy.

As far as I can tell it's at least justified in her case.


 No.718285

>>718283

When she gets out of the dungeon she's born in it's no longer worth it to read that.


 No.718287

>>718285

Just because demon king loli becomes the new baka?


 No.718298

What do you call 'Isekai except it isn't isekai because all the characters including the protagonist(s) come from that world'?

I miss that genre.


 No.718299

>>718298

Fantasy.


 No.718300

>>718240

>only sense online

>literally the first pic if you jewgle it is a poster of it in the typical haremshit style

>not haremshit


 No.718302

>>718261

Evil Dead III aka Army of Darkness was a pretty good Western isekai.


 No.718304

>>718278

That's why I like the one with the shield dude and his raccoon waifu.


 No.718306

I'm waiting for a well done JDF isekai


 No.718308

>>718264

Read the light novel, my advice is don't get too attached. There's a point where the story hits the shit and only gets worse.


 No.718312

>>718217

I like isekai. Now if only they'd update and finish their shit. Fuck having 200 stories with 10 chapters each. What's the point?

Though there are some I dislike. The idea of the MC not having special powers beyond their wits and modern knowledge is good in theory, but in practice they're always aggravating little shits.

>Realist Hero rebuilds Kingdom

Babby-tier understanding of politics and the most idealized world imaginable. Also,

>strongest fighter in entire country is a woman

>Release that Witch

Chink MC uses his understanding of SCIENCE to build up his own kingdom. I liked this one a fair bit, except that the MC uses SCIENCE instead of science. He just assumes a bunch of shit instead of empirically trying to make sure. "There's no such thing as witches. Oh wait there are. There's no such thing as devils..." etc. It didn't fuck up anywhere noticeably, but still it annoyed me.

>that one ln where mc gets summoned to be the Prince Concubine for a Queen in magicland arabia and he does fuck all except NEET around.

Did exactly what it said it would and did it reasonably well. But still fucking hated it.

>>718287

I went in wanting a spider waifu.

>story is superb at Kumoko being alone and having monologues and tsukkomi'ing at her surroundings

>super cute as spider, with the build up to the eventual pay off of her becoming an arachne

>Kumoko out of the caves and she becomes a goddess

>gets completely human body and essentially never does spidery stuff

>forced to constantly interact with other people and we completely lose the tsukkomi aspect and her internal chatter, effectively changing her entire personality since she no longer acts the same

>went from How 2 Exploit RPG Mechanics 4 Fun & Profit => There are like, a billion gods and the stats don't matter, like at all. All those maxed out skills you got? Gone. But hey, you're a goddess so gratz?

10/10 until she gets out and then it just keeps going down. Quit by the time the ogre had the fight with the vampire. Just didn't give a fuck about anything anymore in the setting.


 No.718314

Western isekai is better. Royal Road as a lot of good shit.

>Beyond?

Earth freezes over as the Sun dies. Archmage reincarnates himself into other world. Acquire loving wife, be the most annoying little shit around and Archmage the fuck out of all the old power players while having the time of your life on a world that is NOT a frozen hellish wasteland.

>Savage Divinity

Guy gets reincarnated as a slave in Not!China. Gets taken in by the Mongolian mercenaries with giant ferrets. Great worldbuilding, cool powers and politics, mc gets slapped down for his shit whenever he gets out of hand. Downsides is that all the love interests are infertile kemono rapebabies and that the MC is cockblocking himself with the love interest all the while he goes drinking and whoring with his rich buddies.


 No.718324

>>718228

> are just really cheap and badly written chuuni power fantasies

If you don't like chuuni gtfo, even bad chuuni shit is watchable I couldn't be happier about isekai domination.


 No.718326


 No.718329

>>718264

I think the thing with the Spider is that the Spider is sapient, unlike her brother and sisters. I would naturally assume that the path of strength for monsters is much simpler and easier to abuse than the one for humans. Like a lion that has given the intellect of a man, but with the ability to shoot webs out of their ass.


 No.718372

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>>718312

>Chink MC uses his understanding of SCIENCE to build up his own kingdom

So far, Dr. Stone is doing something like this and it's perhaps the best possible implementation of the cliche. There's no magic. There's no omnipresent game system controlling things. The guy is just crazy fucking smart and autistic enough to work his ass off for months on end to get results that conform to the basic laws of reality.


 No.718375

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 No.718379

>>718372

>Tfw the best thing in Shonen Jump in years

>Probably going to be cancelled

;_;7


 No.718382

>>718375

Shalltear is better for him in the longrun.


 No.718390

>>718261

I think the main problem is that in the West we have a shitload of stuff to compare it to, while for Japan it's more or less 'new'. Fuck me, Quag Keep was written in the (late) seventies and it has many of the same highlights and glaring problems modern Isekai WN/LN have today.


 No.718435

>>718267

Someone hasn't seen Sengoku Basara. Everyone is OP to hell and it's amazing.


 No.718443

File: 751042a8f19c2c8⋯.jpg (15.64 KB, 235x290, 47:58, wut.jpg)

>>718217

Me too but I just want more animes with it that aren't shit.

There are too many LNs, books are nice and all but what makes japshit not-shit is the imagery and LNs don't have pretty pictures to look at and they aren't animated. When it comes to LNs I might aswell just read hundreds of years of 30000x better western fiction instead.


 No.718455

>>718379

Don't you say that, don't you ever even hint that.


 No.718460

>>718267

>>718435

Clearly he hasn't seen Hellsing either.


 No.718471

>>718312

>that one where mc gets summoned to be the Prince Concubine for a Queen

Risou no Himo Seikatsu. I read up to where the baby was born and stopped. The politics in that one was really interesting because of how careful the mc needs to say his words carefully otherwise it would be taken out of context, but that is all it freaking was. It was so boring to read that I was hoping that the issue with the baby being born would at least start a war because of the mc's bloodline was a mix from both kingdoms. Nothing happens.


 No.718484

File: b31833857beb899⋯.jpg (89.63 KB, 200x654, 100:327, Cyrodill01.jpg)

File: a2c240141e99f69⋯.jpg (355.24 KB, 836x712, 209:178, dunmer17.jpg)

File: ce2961756a65b31⋯.jpg (628.88 KB, 740x1920, 37:96, khajiit4.jpg)

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>>718228

Isekai is just power fantasy. The setting comes second. Not much different from yearly XX century pulp-fiction, really.


 No.718494

Please anticipate my newest work, My Dumb Ass Got Trapped Inside an Isekai Manga, coming next leap year


 No.718496

>>718494

Speaking of dumb asses. Where's the Yamcha series?


 No.718511

>>718314

Thanks for the recommendations, I'm really enjoying Beyond. It's always such a surprise to see the contrast between the mindset of two different people, though I suspect it could just be that the more simpler Light Novels are the ones translated the most. Light novels lack the strange and ingenious thought pattern that western authors, at least the more gifted of them, have. Perhaps it's due to a different set of expectations? Do the Japanese social rejects and incompetents fall to artistry or is it an actively looked well upon profession? The intelligence needed to create Hunter x Hunter is an excellent one so that may not be the case. I submit that I may have a bias outlook on this. I hope the loss in translation isn't contributing to my outlook on the Japs. I don't like the idea of having to learn a language just to watch and read the same mediocre works.


 No.718549

>>718484

Not all of them. Konosuba has pretty dumb characters and most of their problems they bring upon themselves, and usually have to struggle to get anything done. Grimgar is also pretty much the opposite of a power fantasy, featuring a bunch of clueless incompetent losers just trying to make a living.


 No.718579

File: 60b6fcfdad594a6⋯.png (1.12 MB, 610x867, 610:867, Youjo-Senki-illustration-r….png)

File: 9533c7f9b344247⋯.jpg (59.77 KB, 417x700, 417:700, 1005411446.jpg)

The problem with Isekai is how similar they all are.

>the main character is likely somebody with nothing special about them and nothing to live for

>they accidentally die under a truck

>reborn with cheat ability

>for some reason the girls like him now

>skill level ups replace character progression

What's funny is that Re;Monster actually broke the first one by making the protag be an overpowered alpha in the previous life as well.

If you want to do an isekai like this at least change the setting. Despite Youjo Senki being a faily standart deal I enjoyed it immensely due to the setting.

The worst isekai idea is "being trapped in a videogame". If everyone around you is a fucking bot scripted to act a certain way I'd probably fucking kill myself instead of coexisting with these fuckers. What is the point of riskng your actual life to save npcs from enemies?

Does anyone know why it's always videogames? In western fantasy it's usually either magic world or sci-fi, in japan it's videogames/fantasy, and in russia it's always ww2. Picrelated is a book called "Comrade Fuhrer", in which a modern day russki gets transformed into the body of Hitler and has to sabotage SS from the inside. Weird shit.


 No.718583

File: ee8d3933d7ac9f5⋯.jpg (12.58 KB, 472x357, 472:357, aniki sleeps.jpg)

File: 55b63046531012b⋯.jpg (38.41 KB, 473x357, 473:357, true aniki awakens.jpg)

>>718579

>Hitler isekai

Sounds amazing. If only I spoke subhuman.

Also,

>If everyone around you is a fucking bot scripted to act a certain way I'd probably fucking kill myself instead of coexisting with these fuckers.

But Anon, you're already living in the 3D world.


 No.718586

File: 6ee008eb2e091c1⋯.png (807.14 KB, 797x413, 797:413, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 9e1fbb73031ec80⋯.png (743.1 KB, 437x612, 437:612, ClipboardImage.png)

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File: 0398adcfdbc9717⋯.jpg (134.5 KB, 421x600, 421:600, Chihou Kishi Hans no Junan.jpg)

>>718260

>older "trapped in an other world" used to be better

I agree with your choices. Seems like most isekai stories I enjoy are either girl-focused or not taking themselves seriously. Strange.


 No.718587

>>718583

>spoiler

But at least in here I can punch a fuker or hurt his feelings. Can you imagine living in fucking Oblivion, with everybody having two lines for dialogue and six voice actors for all of them? Having them run into lava because of shit AI? That's the real fucking nightmare.


 No.718649

>>718579

IIRC, as far as Re:Monster goes, the only reason he's broken as fuck in the new fantasy universe is that he had magical sci-fi powers in the original one, which is neat. If only it actually capitalized on the concept.

Regional differences in Isekai-type stories differ based on who sets the precedent.


 No.718688

File: ab9f82308623e59⋯.jpg (23.88 KB, 500x200, 5:2, Ring-of-Fire-by-Eric-Flint….jpg)

File: 4743ed05b26a8f8⋯.png (945 B, 184x172, 46:43, worried.png)

Anybody read the 1632 book series? It's basically a whole hillbilly town gets isekai'd into 1630s germany. It's also kinda neat how autistic the authors get making sure any technology they made would of been feasible to produce in the 1600s and explain that it would or would not be.


 No.718728

File: 839c621867e2942⋯.jpg (49.35 KB, 273x378, 13:18, Hakkapeliitta-1940.jpg)

File: 2cd988be58a2469⋯.jpg (276.92 KB, 1640x1091, 1640:1091, sauna 23726381.jpg)

>>718688

Not really isekai, but yeah. Read it till the one novel where its about the one noblewoman. It just seemed like the obligatory "muh women are equal" bull and I was losing interest anyhow, what with the main character marrying a jew.

Gustav and his Finns were awesome, though. Funny thing is, they still scare children in parts of Germany with the Finnish cavalry. "Those hakkapelitas will come and grab you and drag you into their hot, dark steam rooms where they beat you red and raw with their sticks if you don't behave."


 No.718740

>>718511

Light Novels are light reading, don't expect anything too deep from them. The closest Western equivalent would be YA (Young Adult) novels. Actual Japanese fantasy novels don't get translated because no one makes manga/anime out of them; the novel-reading demographic is generally separate from anime/manga fandom. That's an underhanded way of saying most anime/manga fans don't fucking read, read some fucking books you illiterate niggers

The closest thing that's been translated are the Legend of the Galactic Heroes novels. They're not the deepest stories around but at least the translation quality is light-years ahead of whatever you can find off some random fan website.


 No.718745

>>718740

Can we stop the "I'm so intellectual because I read" meme? Experiencing fantasy stories through the cheapest form of media available doesn't make you smart.


 No.718755

>>718745

People who read comics instead of books are perceived as less intelligent because they prefer looking at pictures instead of imagining scenes from a text description of them. Similarly, anime/cartoon fans are considered less intelligent than comic readers because they prefer seeing the action happen instead of imagining it based on keyframes and written sound effects. And then live-action fags are the worst because they can't immerse themselves in a story unless the characters are an actual real human actor. It's levels of intelligence, and novel readers are at the top because reading a book composed entirely of text requires the most brainpower and they enjoy doing it. You have to imagine everything. The only thing higher on the smart scale is writing the books.


 No.718760

>>718755

And whomst in their right mind would think such a thing?


 No.718763

>>718755

Since when does imagination correlate with intelligence? With art you have an artist trying to bring across a vision. Having you as the audience use your imagination to fill in the gaps the author couldn't get across doesn't make you as an audience member more intelligent, it just makes the work less complete. Having more of the image means that much more art for you to experience.

When I watch anime I don't think "This would look much better in my head", nobody does that. I see art, created by artists, coming together to form a larger piece of art which I can then take in and evaluate, both emotionally and in terms of technique and mastery. Appreciating art at that level to my mind takes more intelligence than just imagining art that isn't there. There's no guarantee your imagination produces anything of quality either, which is why not everyone is an artist.

I'll grant that a lot of knowledge comes in book, but we're talking about fiction, not facts. There is no justification for people to act smug and superior just because they prefer to indulge in make-believe via words on a page rather than drawings or film.


 No.718765

>>718579

> Youjo Senki being a faily standart deal

It's the exact opposite of of a standard isekai


 No.718768

>>718763

>>718760

>buttdevastated secondaries


 No.718840

File: 274c0d0f32d96a7⋯.jpg (115.13 KB, 540x441, 60:49, romantic_skelly_tries_to_w….jpg)

>>718262

>Read Only Sense Online

>MC picked skills he thought would be useful

>everyone tells him they're shit

>MC plays around for a little bit and realizes his skills have uses that all the fucking plebs didn't realize

>this does not allow him to break the game..

>..But by experimenting and pushing those skills past early levels, he discovered a bunch of interesting quirks and possibilities that no one else touched

>He ends up becoming a moderately successful potion supplier, but only because his potions are slightly better than the shit NPCs sell

>Oddly enough, the game that's supposed to be all about finding a style of play unique to you is full of fucking retards who all only take the skills that guides and other faggots tell them are the most useful

>MC is somewhat strong, but his true value is in his ability to create things that no one else has figured out. Not that it's broken, just that it's unknown

>Instead of dominating the game and become King Fuck of Shit Mountain, he teams up with other crafters in an effort to control the market by keeping Real Money scalpers and gold farmers from fucking up the game's economy

I really like this.


 No.718923

>>718265

Except when she becomes a murderer, my god there's no way to predict where that story was gonna go when it just started. Considering the setup in the beginning it was all planned but it still feels like unnecessary bullshit, I wish the story stayed grounded instead of that Gods/Goddesses stuff and saving worlds by mass sacrifice, and energy fields of nonsense and soul hijacking


 No.718940

>>718840

This sounds fucking amazing what the fuck


 No.718942

File: 368aacc33181738⋯.pdf (73.93 KB, Cunningham-What Reading Do….pdf)

>>718745

It turns out that reading a lot (even "fantasy stories through the cheapest form of media") has a significant effect on a person's vocabulary, which in turn significantly affects their verbal skills, which ends up doing everything from helping someone understand advanced topics to keeping their brain limber as they get older. So "I'm so intellectual because I read" isn't a meme, it's true. Everyone should read more.


 No.718946

>>718942

Unless you don't talk, then all the reading in the world won't help your vocal cords atrophy.


 No.718949

>>718946

In this case "verbal skills" doesn't just refer to speaking skills, it refers to communication in general.


 No.718957

File: 30fb028d25280be⋯.jpg (458.13 KB, 883x1169, 883:1169, Commisar_Ciaphas_Cain.jpg)

>>718765

>exact opposite

>a regular salaryman dies under the wheels of a vehicle

>is reborn into another world where there is conflict

>uses his knowledge of our world's events to further himself in that world

>gets complete cheat powers

>despite him acting like a prick his soldiers love him

All that's missing is a harem of women really.

Tanya kinda reminds me of Ciaphas Cain.


 No.718958

File: 527793170d68f8f⋯.jpg (40.04 KB, 390x380, 39:38, 1468139077904.jpg)

>>718942

Because it's not like any other form of media conveys communication in the exact same way, if not better, right? Even when you adapt a book into a film or anime and you lift the dialogue 1:1, it stops being a way to develop your vocabulary just by virtue of being interpreted by actors, right?


 No.718978

File: c1d640d1570eac0⋯.gif (1.28 MB, 500x281, 500:281, 1380940440266.gif)

>>718840

Just read all of Only Sense Online, worse part about MMO stories is it makes me want a good MMO to play compared to other isekais where I just enjoy the story.

Also crafter characters are the best.


 No.718991

>Tfw you really like the 'reborn in an alternate world'/'stuck in an mmo' trope

>Everyone else wont stop bitching about it and want haremshit back

At least 9 times out of 10 they're the same fucking thing.


 No.718994

File: b199ac3b25c30f6⋯.jpg (61.02 KB, 500x513, 500:513, NO.jpg)

>>718382

Factually wrong. Albedo has housewife perks and she's faithful, while Chair is retarded and bisexual (not faithful, fucks her underlings all day).


 No.718996

>>718958

You're not very smarty are you.

The parts of your brain that are active when reading and the parts that are active when watching movies are different.

You should read more and stop being a dumb-ass.


 No.719021

>>718940

also no haremshit because MC's character creation glitched and ingame he has the body of a girl.


 No.719022

>>718994

Shalltears feelings are real, albedo was just programmed to feel love my momonga as a joke. Having a flawed character doesnt mean shit when her olev is real!


 No.719034

>>718958

Well if you're watching a movie/anime with the same dialogue,

1. You don't see the word spelled, only hear it.

2. You miss out on all the other words in the book that describe actions, environments, and character features and traits. That's a shitload of adjectives and nouns not added to your vocabulary.

So, yeah. Git gud and read.


 No.719037

File: 0abf6f188b15ac2⋯.png (360.69 KB, 500x540, 25:27, 0abf6f188b15ac2e54e731d283….png)

>>719034

You're right, actually.


 No.719058

File: 7a8afca33911dc5⋯.png (582.96 KB, 732x720, 61:60, tiltbedo.png)

>>719022

>Chair's feelings

Are fruit of a fetish. She gets wet at the idea of fucking corpses/undead (Sad!).

On the other hand, Albedo has true, pure, unadulterated love for him, as written by Ainz-sama himself (Sasuga!).


 No.719060

File: b7d266e25422a9e⋯.gif (999.49 KB, 250x251, 250:251, we just dont know.gif)

>>719058

>She gets wet at the idea of fucking corpses/undead

She is undead.


 No.719061

>>719060

Literal corpses.


 No.719062

>>719061

Like rotting and shit.


 No.719063

>>719062

Any corpse, on top of that.


 No.719064

>>719061

Have you forgot shes a rotten leech monster putting up a loli glamour?


 No.719066

File: 07fa0dfc34f69e8⋯.jpg (55.91 KB, 640x361, 640:361, smugbedo.jpg)

>>719064

>A retarded rotten leech monster

That is evident by now.


 No.719073

>>719022

>programmed

Ah ah ah, when Ainz told her about that, she flatly didn't care.

>>718957

Perceived Hero who's really a ball of self-interest?


 No.719077

>>719073

>rewritten on a base level to artificially love someone

>mind broken to love and adore person

>person tells them

>they say they dont care

OF COURSE THEY FUCKING WOULDN'T THEY ARE PROGRAMMED TO ADORE EVERYTHING THEY ARE,DO AND SAY


 No.719090

File: 5cd4e1aefc196a4⋯.jpg (150.12 KB, 1224x814, 612:407, WeAreNotTakingTheWizard.jpg)

>>718978

>it makes me want a good MMO to play

I know, right? OSO is too impossibly complicated to be possible, but what baffles me is that it's one of the more reasonably designed MMOs in the Isekai genre. Something like SAO, for instance, is pure fucking retardation written by a drooling moron who has never played an MMO in his life and seems to have gotten all of his knowledge on gaming from reading other bad series about MMOs and vidya.


 No.719096

>>719077

We could all be so lucky.


 No.719111

>>718942

I wonder if any of this applies to reading on imageboards.


 No.719117

File: 5ecb1c2ac01e8ed⋯.jpg (25.49 KB, 308x326, 154:163, 08ea14a948dac2fe3c7104495e….jpg)

>everyone itt is praising OSO

>check it out

>link in search engine indicated I've already been to page

>open it

>gender bender

Fuck that then and fuck that now.


 No.719127

>>719111

Depends on which boards, I'd think. I grew up playing lots of SNES RPGs and my vocabulary was significantly better than my peers for pretty much my entire career. Good vocabulary leads to good articulation of otherwise abstract thoughts and feelings. The best way to get better at that is to talk with and read more, which further expands your understanding and intelligence.


 No.719141

>>719073

>Perceived Hero who's really a ball of self-interest?

Not really though. Both Cain and Tanya do insane shit for the cause, and were on suicide missions multiple times. They are real heroes, but don't think of themselves as such.


 No.719153

>>719117

>not liking boys becoming cute girls

faget


 No.719158

File: a6eca3f66e4a247⋯.png (144.49 KB, 480x640, 3:4, 1321164631794.png)

>>719155

No one knows that because it's wrong.


 No.719159

File: 1fe4d7eea9032b1⋯.jpg (129.13 KB, 768x768, 1:1, tvTGINzSwtyK3QEOMN93Akb6QY….jpg)

>>719155

But they aren't boys at all, anymore, that is.


 No.719160

File: e1eba723f5b4a06⋯.jpg (284.23 KB, 974x1381, 974:1381, 1.jpg)

File: 663a250f173bafa⋯.jpg (321.35 KB, 974x1381, 974:1381, 2.jpg)

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File: 946c86cceb7d107⋯.jpg (241.58 KB, 974x1381, 974:1381, 5.jpg)

Here is chapter 3 of OSO to show what makes it good, not the best chapter but it shows how its not BEST GUY EVER shit.


 No.719162

File: f8c1f841043ca89⋯.jpg (258.56 KB, 974x1381, 974:1381, 6.jpg)

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 No.719166

File: 893bcdd317f428c⋯.jpg (244.72 KB, 974x1381, 974:1381, 16.jpg)

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 No.719167

File: 3b09f9b101bb660⋯.jpg (294.29 KB, 974x1381, 974:1381, 21.jpg)

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 No.719168

File: 620a3a0211680bb⋯.jpg (300.01 KB, 974x1381, 974:1381, 26.jpg)

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 No.719169

File: 6ede30e6713f62f⋯.jpg (376.58 KB, 1300x1450, 26:29, 6ede30e6713f62fb627bdbf8c3….jpg)

>>719161

If it's genderbender then they can get pregnant! They aren't failures!


 No.719171

>>719170

Being a cute little girl is always better.

Are you not a cute little girl? What are you?


 No.719172

>>719171

WE'VE BEEN INFILTRATED SSSSKKKKRREEEEEEEEEE


 No.719174

File: 2ac3a740ff3b017⋯.jpg (157.05 KB, 1366x768, 683:384, qualidea remove unknown.jpg)

>>719173

Then away with you.


 No.719228

File: a94f0c4bd97abb2⋯.jpg (237.75 KB, 600x843, 200:281, 575a5936b029923575332e5c23….jpg)

>>719090

Ignoring the VR in OSO, the rest of it is possible to make, the main problem would be how to tie the benefits from the sense to other sense's like with farsights use, which would probably cause lots of skills not connecting to it when they should and other skills connecting to it when they shouldn't.

But you are right about other Isekai's they are written badly or made too be too good to even ever exist


 No.719524

File: 8c213b79e87b16b⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 529.47 KB, 1162x649, 1162:649, ClipboardImage.png)

>>719228

Also, Yun gets a pony. And it's cute as hell.


 No.719554

>>719524

Truly boys are the cutest, purest girls.


 No.719561

File: 9e042883ec843cf⋯.jpg (2.55 MB, 2128x3000, 266:375, OSO_v10_Cover.jpg)

Posting Yun's thighs


 No.719563

>>719561

c-c-censor this!


 No.719631

>>719561

Truly, he is the best girl.


 No.719682

File: de8a46c18927bf4⋯.png (571.1 KB, 1366x768, 683:384, 1465545081755.png)

>>719660

>pedophiles


 No.719684

File: 941fc713628115b⋯.gif (456.51 KB, 500x281, 500:281, gohan spin.gif)

>>719660

>japanese house

For that reason alone it was shit but I'd be lying if I didn't watch and like it.

The styling was fun and the ecchi not so bad.

Also tet best girl.


 No.719685

>I'd be lying if I didn't watch and like it.

Meant to be:

<I'd be lying if I said I didn't watch and like it


 No.719686

>>719684

It was worth it just for the Code Geass level "HAHA YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP" level of bullshit.


 No.719698

>>719686

It is less Code Geass level of "HAHA YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP" bullshit and more Yu-Gi-Oh! Season 1 level of "HAHA YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP" bullshit.


 No.719711

>>719684

>filename isn't 'meatspin.gif'

I am very disappointed in you, anon.


 No.720047

>>719711

We all want to treat kid gohan like a piece of meat but calm down my man.


 No.720055

>>719698

What's the difference?


 No.720059

>>718314

Lin is clearly the best. It annoys me how Rain treats her.


 No.720075

>>720059

Rain a shit. Though it's funny how all of his otherwordly memories influence(little though they are) only serve to hinder him. Dropped it at the point he got some inner twin from beyond the wall and started letting him do the fighting.

Also, all the waifu's are barren so fuck that. Though Lin is top tier in all other regards.


 No.720090

File: a12317c0acabea1⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 48.95 KB, 299x443, 299:443, Kurokishi Isekai (2001).jpg)

>>720055

Yu-Gi-Oh! is uses rules or mechanics that aren't previously explained or hinted.

I still maintain that No Game No Life is NEET/otaku pandering garbage for retards.

Here is an example of one of my favorite Isekai.


 No.720101

>>720055

Code Gayass had a protagonist who was so smart that he was playing pandimension 10D Chess at all times, allowing him to set up ridiculous contingencies and stuff that amounted to "I knew you knew that I'd know that you know that I was going to guess that you'd know that I was going to plan this all along!"

Yu-Gi-Oh asspulls came strictly in the form of "here's a card (which has never been seen, mentioned, or implied to exist) that does the only conceivable thing that would allow me to win right now, after every previous turn has had me losing badly!"


 No.720169

>>720101

When you put it that way, Lelouch sounds more fun.


 No.720171

>>719034

1) not unless you speak Japanese.


 No.720185

Thank you fucks so much for telling me about OSO. That's a great comfy manga.


 No.720189

>>720185

Shame about the meme-TL though. "Swiggety-swooty, thanks for the looty", etc. The translator's site is a tumblr page that lists "their" preferred pronouns.


 No.720313

>>718264

Every single story is like that. The main character are all implausibly broken for whatever reason.

>godly luck, mega treasures/quest rewards falls into lap

>godly talents/genetics

>godly bonus XP

>godly exploits that clearly don't work that way


 No.720316

>>720189

>The translator's site is a tumblr page that lists "their" preferred pronouns.

Only the dead can know peace from this evil.


 No.720319

>>720313

Isn't that the point of storytelling, to follow someone exceptional?


 No.720320

>>720101

>10d chess

>accidentally orders a genocide cuz the writers wrote themselves into a hole


 No.720329

>>718217

>Everyone else wont stop bitching about it and want haremshit back

I don't really care if authors keep on making these stories, but I would enjoy it more if they tried some more wild ideas, especially the ones that write the MMO ones.


 No.720372

>>720320

>accidentally orders a genocide cuz the writers wrote themselves into a hole

I actually kind of admire the writers for keeping the character so consistent and following their logical path that they realized the only way to continue drama was to pull something out of their ass.


 No.720373

File: 2f21619a9069acf⋯.jpg (269.28 KB, 974x1381, 974:1381, canon nopan.jpg)

>>719561

Reminder that the imouto canonically does not wear anything under her holy armour.


 No.720962

>>720090

>It was all a dream

>He still learned lessons and remained honorable after waking up

That movie was too memorable for how stupid it was


 No.721195

>>718217

How about this idea for an Isekai story that isn't just chuuni power fantasy and has an interesting world?

>protagonist dies and is reborn in a fantasy world

>he starts off as a baby with no special talents or items

>it turns out many people from his old world have been reincarnating into this fantasy world, they tend to form secret societies which the protagonist joins as a teen

>They spend their time trying to recreate technologies from their previous lives or otherwise making this world more like the previous one

>sometimes these societies bring back past grudges from the past, or religions or rebellious idealogies

>because of this, these societies and their technological artifacts tend to be viewed as heresies and are hunted by the church and the three Furies, angels who have descended onto the planet to hunt down the guilty

>These Furies take particular interest in the protagonist for some reason, going to unreasonable lengths to capture him

>it turns out it's the protagonists past incarnations fault that these reincarnations are happening, his past incarnation used magic to reincarnate into a less shit world but it has caused souls to be regularly exchanged between the two worlds during the reincarnation process, this fault also stops people from forgetting their past lives

>the protagonist still has no special powers though, those were wiped during the reincarnation process, all he has now are some memories and some modern technology to help him against all his enemies

Seriously, would this be a good idea?


 No.721209

File: 6c88b01b4731f95⋯.jpg (63.65 KB, 640x480, 4:3, cham gives shou a lapdance.jpg)

>>721195

I like it. Sounds kinda like Dunbine, except good.


 No.721226

>>721195

Could be good. Most isekai these days rely on a hook to pull people in, which this one doesn't seem to have. This means you'd just have to have good enough writing to keep it floating.

Basically, I'd read it but as it is it has nothing that would keep me reading if the writing didn't keep me into it.


 No.721241

File: 753a01c7ec03032⋯.jpg (24.5 KB, 327x316, 327:316, when kaworu calls you gay,….jpg)

I wouldn't mind it at all, if the trope didn't obnoxiously apply in-game shit to the world

<OH NO, IT'S A LEVEL 78 SHITLIZARD, GOOD THING I LEVELED UP MY SLICING SKILL! BIGGU DICKU SRAISU! OH NO, THE LEVEL 78 SHITLIZARD IS NOT TAKING ANY DAMAGE, IT CAN ONLY BE HURT BY A STABBING ATTACK AND I NEVER PUT ANY POINTS IN THE STABBING SKILL!!

It doesn't seem like it's a person trapped in a another world, if things have levels and people have only certain sets of movements they can use in a fight and must "unlock" basic shit, it just seems like people playing a fucking videogame.


 No.721254

>>721241

What if the twist is that the "other world" was the protagonist in a coma after the truck accident? And the reason for all the video game stuff is because they are an Otaku so even their coma fantasies are full of video games.


 No.721264

>>721241

I think Grimgar does a pretty good job at making the world feel realistic while still incorporating some videogame elements.


 No.721274

>>721264

The people of that world are totally in on it, they get new fighters from a magical tower with amnesia and strange clothes? Those fuckers know they're taking people from another world to die in their shitty war and they dont care.


 No.721283

>>721241

Another reason I liked Overlord so much: it focuses on worldbuilding gameplay elements instead of the stupid crunchy bullshit that contemporary MMOs actually revolve around.


 No.721314

File: 890926907fdcc27⋯.jpg (46.52 KB, 352x500, 88:125, smug motherfucker.jpg)

The most entertainingly retarded isekai I've read is probably Skill Taker. The MC is literally the most OP motherfucker in the world and the author in the light novel won't shut up about how he mastered over 150 types of martial arts and every sport in existence that may or may not be useful to know in a fight, all at the age of 16. One time he manages to astound the locals by throwing a spear, because in this medieval society nobody has ever thought to throw a pointy stick at someone else.

Then there's the fact that his entire reason for doing all the quests and shit he does is to get money and build a massive harem of cute animu grill sex slaves.

The complete retards who've taken over the translation have killed what little enjoyment there was to get from it with their 2007-tier narutard antics and all links going through adfly-variants.


 No.721326

>>721314

That at least sounds entertaining. If the MC is basically a god he might as well do whatever the fuck he wants. That's also the saving grace of the Smartphone anime, MC is OP and has a comfy time with it


 No.721328

>>721314

>build a massive harem of cute animu grill sex slaves.

They're not even trying to hide the escapism anymore.


 No.721329

>>721328

The entire thing reads like it was written by a 14-year old. It's hilarious.


 No.721461

>>719117

What's the problem?


 No.721466

>>719117

Don't worry. He's still a boy in real life; it's only his character that's a girl, so he gets to immerse himself in being the cute girl everyone wants to be, while not having any of the internal conflict of true genderbending.

And almost all of the people who hit on him are also girls anyway.


 No.721496

>>721328

>escapism is bad


 No.721497

>>721496

No one said that.


 No.721535

>>718991

>haremshit

>bad

Wrong.




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