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 No.719575

>Group of "talented" slang for superpower peoples are deemed harmful to humanity and must be exterminated

>Round up all the talented peoples in an island under a false pretense of training their power to fight some bullshit monster

>Send an assassin to "X-Men" school to covertly kill these peoples

>First target is a harmless student with the ability is to cancel other peoples power, basically like Leech from X-men series but less ugly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech_(comics)#Powers_and_abilities

>First fucking chapter and it makes no fucking sense already

Explain to me why she need to kill him? His power is to cancel other peoples power, other than that, he is basically just like normal people. If anything he is crucial in the fight against "the enemy of humanity".

 No.719579

One character seems to bring up the prospect that there isn't an enemy of humanity, but it just bothers me that no one seems to give a shit that two people are missing. It also feels like the bitch is being manipulated by the powers that sent her there, but she doesn't really care.


 No.719588

>>719579

>One character seems to bring up the prospect that there isn't an enemy of humanity

The enemy of humanity is the student itself because they have superpower.

>but it just bothers me that no one seems to give a shit that two people are missing

Because the entire teachers are in on it

The biggest flaw in the story is that they killed the only student with the countermeasure to stopping all there "talented" students from causing damage, which the main plot why the government want to kill them in the first place.


 No.719592

File: 9228a448f05a231⋯.jpg (76.33 KB, 445x506, 445:506, shadowmood.jpg)

>>719575

>Want to kill people with superpowers

>Kill the person whose superpower is negating other superpowers

But why. This is actually counter-productive. Who thought this was a good idea.

It honestly feels like the author just wants to have some cheap edge


 No.719598

>>719592

"We want the Hero Academia audience but how do we differentiate ourselves..."


 No.719605

So the plot is that they take kids with super powers, isolate them on an island for training as a cover to kill ones that would pose a threat to humanity thus giving the kids with superpowers that could be a threat to humanity a perfectly justifiable reason to fuck shit up?


 No.719629

File: 1f144e91e2f4eda⋯.png (137.74 KB, 276x473, 276:473, Screenshot_1.png)

>>719575

>Author : Looseboy

At the very least he is honest in his choice of pseudonyms.


 No.719630

>>719605

it's like pottery, it rhymes.


 No.719643

>>719575

>protag power is to cancel other's

How fucking original holy shit, must be like the 12th time i see this crap.

Also why not just nuke the fucking island?


 No.719647

>>719643

No, the protag's first victim had the power to cancel other powers. He had to die because apparently he would potentially be responsible for 10 million deaths in the future or something, despite having the one thing that would put humans and "Talented" on even ground.


 No.719648

>>719643

He's not even the protagonist. He's the villian's the pink haired girl first victim. So far this seems to be more of a murder mystery with superpowers.


 No.719652

File: 479460e3d6acd1d⋯.jpg (23.42 KB, 312x312, 1:1, villager.jpg)

>>719647

>His ability is just cancelling other abilities

>responsible for 10 million deaths

Fucking How.


 No.719653

>>719652

Something something he'll start leading the people with superpowers something something.


 No.719655

File: 37e8794644ff5f2⋯.gif (1.09 MB, 300x169, 300:169, confusednitori.gif)

>>719653

Aren't the superpowered guys a bunch of high-schoolers who believe they're training to beat some off-brand kaiju tho? Even if the Power-Nullifier somehow managed to lead all the superpowered guys, they would still try to defeat the monster. It's not like they will start to riot if they find out the monster was just a lie. I see no way this could lead into 10 million people getting killed, unless the "unexpected" twist is that the "people" are actually monsters.


 No.719656

>>719652

Maybe he accidently stopped someone who was going to activate an ability who would prevent a nuclear explosion.

But yeah, bullshit premise, bullshit plot, bullshit characters, the list goes on.


 No.719658

>>719655

Yep. They're being there under the pretense that there are some some monsters that are a threat to humanity. The best I can figure is they're killing kids not because they will be a threat but because they have the potential to be one. Although yeah I still don't get how they figured the bullied nerd would rise up and command superhumans into killing 10 milliong people.


 No.719661

File: a7efdb7e9a308e2⋯.png (526.87 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, ch2 pg8.png)

File: 71d9909ee65d1cd⋯.png (262.31 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, ch2 pg9.png)

File: ea9037cd9ef2dc9⋯.png (665.25 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, ch2 pg10.png)

File: 40d48fea3225834⋯.png (428.89 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, ch4 pg14.png)

Hello. I am the only fan of this stupid manga on Earth, as I am a sucker for twists and keikakus. All I needed was the 2nd chapter to bring me fully on board with the complete genocide of the "talented", as well as to make me fully sympathetic to Nana. I will show you all that Nana did nothing wrong.

>why kill innocent children?

Humans tried to be humane to these freaks, even work alongside them, but they always fuck society up. They have already killed millions of ordinary humans, sometimes single handedly. The danger has been consistent over 100 years. It would happen again and they are not to be trusted. Until this fact is revealed to be some sort of hoax from an evil shadow government, I want them neutralized. Something needed to be done for the continuation of human civilization.

>But isn't the talent-negater guy's power perfect for-

No. You saw the first chapter right? "Leader" "leader" "leader" "leader" "leader" "leader". He had all the potential and ideals of a coming-of-age shonen-protag mixed with the incomprehensible charisma of a harem MC. I'm half convinced the true nature of his power was being the most generic MC possible. A character like him dropped into a somewhat darker series was the perfect person to lead the talented towards a revolution once he knew the truth. That's when the genre would override his ideals and things would get bloody. There is no doubt in my mind the 10 million deaths estimate was a good one. I'm glad he's dead.

>>719643

Then they wouldn't have the islands. There are always more freaks being born. This is a long-term strategy.

>Gradually, I began to hate them.

>>719579

>no one seems to give a shit that two people are missing

I don't know why people keep saying this. There's been multiple scenes of people wondering where the hell they are, and it's only been a day or two. The teacher is freaking out and doesn't know how to handle kids going missing on an isolated military school and was advised not to tell the students.


 No.719662

File: cdb29f18bbc58a6⋯.jpg (49.94 KB, 257x392, 257:392, asdf.jpg)

Really sets the noggin rollin


 No.719673

>>719655

>>719658

It will probably be some stupid self fulfilling prophecy or some shit. They're afraid because they know the future the super powered guys turn on them, but it was their treatment of them that lead to them turning on them bla bla.


 No.719722

>>719661

A just system is based on deeds and facts, not speculation. If you preemptively execute everyone with the capacity for murder you're not going to have many left, talented or otherwise.

Microbe girl did nothing wrong. Her talent could save millions just as easily as it could have killed them. But no, they had to try and execute her for existing, so she met them with force.


 No.719727

>>719722

>If you preemptively execute everyone with the capacity for murder

I think you're sincerely overestimating the average person's capacity to achieve "high scores". There was a pretty clear cut-off point as to when these people became dangerous, and at they passed it a long time ago.


 No.719730

>>719661

>No. You saw the first chapter right? "Leader" "leader" "leader" "leader" "leader" "leader"

You realize he doesn't even want to be leader in the first place, and the only reason his name was nominated is because of Nana. He didn't even fight for the title and just negate fatso power because he want to protect other peoples.


 No.719734

File: 13258a19f3fb160⋯.jpg (9.28 KB, 132x232, 33:58, therefore kill all gun own….jpg)

>>719727

>There was a pretty clear cut-off point as to when these people became dangerous

Which is? What exactly was the estimate for the first victim based on, that his score would be somewhere between Thomas Midgley and Joseph Stalin? What conclusive proof is there that that boy in particular would be responsible for so many deaths?

But that's beside the point anyway, because it is fundamentally in opposition to the principles of justice to execute someone for something they have not done yet. The girl has murdered more people than everyone else on the island combined.


 No.719739

>>719734

Someone with a gun can kill people in the tens. Someone with a bomb can kill people in the hundreds.

Someone with a talent can kill people in the millions.

To pretend that all else is equal is ridiculous. Nukes aren't handled like firecrackers, even if they both explode. Justice does not factor in- this is explicitly a preemptive strike to reduce further risk factors in the future. The talented are being stuffed onto these islands because they aren't being considered as people at all, but reasonable and present dangers.

So far, Nana has gone after potential leader candidates that had either strong powers or strong connections. Nanao post 'development', which might take decades or just days. Iceguy's powers are flashy, but he's not going to amass an army of other talents to his disposal. What were the death estimates based on? Quite possibly extensive monitoring or even a captive talented who has the power to divine probabilities, see the future, or the like. Frankly, it doesn't even matter. The risks are too high. Nations would go to war if someone started sneaking in dirty bombs, so why wouldn't they purge these stupid kids?


 No.719740

>>719734

This also makes no sense, they specifically said they have a database of talented peoples and "estimate" how much damage their powers could done to humanity. How do you estimate a destructive power of a making peoples powerless?


 No.719743

>>719739

>leader candidate

There's that word again, the database estimation is based on the student power. Its easy to gauge how much damage you can do if you have ice or fire power but how do you estimate a potential threat from a whimpy kid with harmless power?


 No.719745

>>719739

>Someone with a talent can kill people in the millions.

Someone with a certain talent can. I'm not asking whether there exists at least one talent in the story that can kill millions; there obviously is. I'm asking whether Nanao's specifically, in his hands, would. What the other talented do is irrelevant to that. I don't buy the whole "talent guilt" claim that the talented can be responsible for acts they not only had no part in but had no opportunity to prevent, just because other talented (who likely do not have the same talent in the first place) perpetrated them.


 No.719746

>>719743

The only conclusion I can think of is that they have someone who can see into the future. Of course the flaws in that idea are that the immortal guy has no database on him and making such rounded numbers out of visions of the future would be almost impossible.


 No.719747

>>719746

Okay, well lets roll with the theory that the government also have talented peoples on their side, why not recruit the power negater guy?

I know from chapter 2 onward the manga shift tone and became about 2 "detective" playing cat and mouse game rip-off of deathnote but the setup of the story in chapter 1 is so stupid I can't get my mind around it.


 No.719753

>>719747

In terms of the logic of the story if we assume that the theory is true? There is absolutely no reason, in fact it only hurts them to not have him. With the shift it is likely the author might have just killed the guy people thought would be the MC as a hook by catching the readers off-guard.


 No.719774

File: 3cd5d71d0496dac⋯.jpg (62.88 KB, 358x478, 179:239, tails.jpg)

This series truly speaks to my soul.


 No.719790

>>719746

There definitely is the possibility of a Minority Report type thing going on, given the second victim's Talent, but it still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Her reports are so vague. "X million" and nothing else. Nothing about who or how or when, just a number.

Assuming Touma's danger was in becoming a leader, what evidence is there that killing him would make a difference? If a young pre-Chairman Mao had been killed, would the Communists have still won in China? Would the policies of their leader in this alternate reality be more or less effective than Mao's? Would the same millions still die, or more, or fewer? Or would Chiang Kai-shek have won in this version of history? Who can say with certainty how any of these changes would affect global geopolitics, the Cold War, and so on? There is absolutely no way to simply summarize this into "killing Mao would save X million", even if you have a Talent on your side. And all these questions are only if the leader hypothesis is true.

But nothing makes sense regardless of future-seeing.

The cover-up is that the Talented are training to fight the Enemies of Humanity. OK. What does the public get told about the fighting? Where are the veterans, the medal-winners, and the honourably discharged disabled? Is the general public getting told their last, best hope is suffering a 100% combat mortality rate? And why is Autist-kun there looking for his sister? The family clearly wasn't told she was KIA against the monsters, but if that's not what the government claims how do they explain everyone's disappearances? Is there no war reporting on the supposed fighting, no after-action reports, no footage? This conspiracy has gone on for 50 years; how has it remained intact with no evidence of the fighting? If the goal is to eliminate the Talented, why make them sympathetic to the public and elevate them to heroic martyrs? What is the impact on the economy of an imaginary war, and on international politics? 50 years is at LEAST 10 governments in most democracies, so how have the different leaders and different parties all agreed to keep things going - in every single nation that would be aware of the Enemies?

And why bother with any of the murder in the first place? They're going to kill them all anyway. Doing it one at a time just gives them the chance to catch on, which is exactly what is happening. Take them on a spelunking field trip where the cave is a giant gas chamber or something. There's no way this is the first time in 50 years that anyone's been paying enough attention to notice. And how can the teachers not be aware of the situation (see Ch.4, p.17-18)? If the students are killed while they're there, how have the teachers never noticed?

It doesn't even make sense to make those predictions. If they can accurately foresee which Talented are dangerous they can also predict which are harmless, undermining the entire program of exterminating them all. And then there's a boatload of potential paradoxes that come out of the ability to see a future and trying to change it.

This manga is so fucking dumb.


 No.719791

This mango is fun but I don't understand why the protag picked mind reading as her pretend power. She could have picked something extremely inconsequential but say using it even a little puts a huge strain on her body. For instance, she could say her ability is to direct a few bug's flight path, but it's hard to control, lasts very little, and she feels light headed and nauseous when she uses her power. There, stupidly shitty power no one would even want to see and much easier to fake than pretend mind reading.

I'm reading it expecting it to turn to shit soon, but for now I'm enjoying it.


 No.719795

>>719791

If her power is mind reading, she has to pretend she can read minds, which gives the author more chances for the characters to try and out-keikaku one another.


 No.719798

>>719795

I get that that's a plot point but it's so dumb, it's such an incompetent thing for a corporation dedicated to stealthily eliminating super humans to do. They send this normal girl to an island of monsters and don't even think up a proper cover up story for her?

It's because of stuff like this that Code Geass never sit well with me. It has the out-keikakuing thing which is fun, but it usually happens because of huge fuck ups from the players, instead of all parties involved doing things well but the one that wins does it by doing things better and thinking even further ahead than everyone else. It's been a while but if I remember correctly that's how Code Geass ended, and also how most of Death Note was, not with outplays because of stupid shit the loser did, but because of super good planning from the winner.


 No.719801

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File: f9e75be4a288302⋯.png (474.98 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, ch1 pg22.png)

>>719730

His dad wanted him to be a leader initially, and on his first day of school he took the initiative and announced that's what he wanted to be. It apparently wasn't the last time he said anything about it either. He was reluctant but he wanted it. We don't quite know the details of the death estimator, maybe it took this into account.


 No.719842

File: 4839943d9ecd705⋯.png (412.9 KB, 796x661, 796:661, ay.png)

>>719575

I'm glad there are other people who hated this shit.

It's like dude made this entire thing for the first chapter, it was all for that twist. He one day had an idea "damn this would be great as a story" he did it and it got serialized but looks like motherfucker didn't think much beyond that point.

I bet the author will make the talented do some stupid shit so people can say "see they're actually monsters, people she killed all deserved it", just add a random genocide that came out of nowhere at some point so people can't defend the 'villains' who weren't wrong morally before that. Even if someone at the facility goes apeshit and murders others, that won't justify the death of Nanao.

If government had played their cards right he could've ended up as the leader of anti-talented forces. Just fucking euthanize the talented children under the pretense of a vaccine while Nanao holds their hand and they literally can't do shit, even immortality would be negated.

If Nana can trick a guy into believing he's saving a friend from death and kill him cold blooded without any remorse than fucking Nanao can hold a kids hand and comfort them while they get euthanized calmly, it's better than falling off a cliff, drowning while exhausted or blowing up in an explosion or whatever stupid shit she did in raws. All I know is everyone who has read the raws say it's disappointing.

I mean I don't even disagree with the "Superpowered kids are dangerous, it's like giving nuclear codes to a child" thing. The way how they deal with talented is straight up retarded though, why Nana? The "Our Nations greatest weapon is a high school girl" shit is really annoying when the manga tries to take itself seriously and be edgy.


 No.719858

>>719842

The "notMC" have a better plot device than Nana

>inspired to be a leader

>Have power to negate all threat

>Basically the key for for a peaceful solution between talented and talentless peoples

Nope, all those traits are wasted for the purpose of "PLOT TWIST!!! AM I SMART NOW!!"


 No.719898

>>719774

At least Autism-kun is a far more interesting good guy then Heir Leader would have been.


 No.719948

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 No.720198

>>719898

I was impressed that the author didn't try and bring back Leader-kun the very next chapter, it doesn't forgive some of the other problems I have with this manga, but at least he can stick to his guns and kill people off.


 No.720274

>>719743

From the kill counts of the last wimpy kid with a supposedly harmless power


 No.720282

File: f429d726b6534dd⋯.png (226.83 KB, 962x439, 962:439, 12312413244.PNG)

>>720274

The kill count makes no fucking sense, what is it based on? Please note that the device isn't some kind of Minority Report shit that can see the future, it can't calculate the threat without knowing the person ability first. So from here we know that the device estimate your threat level based on power. How the hell can a power negater that doesn't affect human can cause 10 millions death


 No.720304

>>720282

The kill count only exists to motivate the killer. It's made up.


 No.720328

>>720282

They did note that their powers grow over time. What if he becomes actively immune to projectiles, or some similarly absurdly over-powered shit? Each 'talent' may be different, but if the last guy grew up to be practically invulnerable and fucked shit up real good, they'd be right to be wary of this one.


 No.720420

>>720328

>What if he becomes actively immune to projectiles, or some similarly absurdly over-powered shit?

He can already did that, Fatso throw a fireball and he negate it. Even if he's power does evolve, it only gonna affect talented peoples if we follow the manga exmple

>Can control microbe in peoples bodies

>evolve into control microbe outside of peoples

So a power negater will probably evolve from negating to completely erase the person's power (a logical progression). But the author probably gonna give some bullshit excuse why he need to be killed that doesn't have any relation to his power.


 No.720454

That kid was only going to be a threat because he was a leader, right? Doesn't mean Nana is at fault since he lost all confidence in becoming leader before she pushed him towards it (just so she could kill him)?


 No.720457

What if Nana really is an enemy of humanity, or unknowingly working for the monsters, and the talented people really are training to fight them?


 No.720472

>>720454

It's hardly even worth thinking about why anyone does what they do in this manga. Before you can even get to worrying about that, you'd have to figure out the reasoning behind the overall plan.

Their goal is to prevent the talented from fighting the rest of humanity and taking control of the world.

They decided the best way to achieve this goal was to (ostensibly) train them to use their talents in combat, to foster in them saviour complexes and inflated self-importance, and to bombard them with propaganda that they alone are capable of saving the world. They would then try to kill them in the most inefficient way possible, and in a way that has a high chance of being noticed, thus revealing to these would-be saviours of humanity that a shadowy conspiracy is manipulating the entire world through lies and fear.

I think the theory in this thread is right. The author wanted to write a manga that used the twist of starting with a character that was the absolute image of a stereotypical MC, then killing him off from dramatic effect. I don't think he thought much beyond that, and just haphazardly made shit up to enable it without worrying whether it made sense, then realized he'd only planned as far as chapter 1 and was stuck continuing to make shit up.


 No.721247

File: 2b570bbb8fa48de⋯.png (861.11 KB, 1022x720, 511:360, 1464409906679.png)

>>719730

>But he doesn't want to be the leader

>Yet steps up and shows decisive decision making capability by simply being in the correct situation and people rally to him

>Implying he wouldn't start a resistance movement the second he realized what was going on

When the mutant scum planned a revolt the last time countless people lost their lives and it resulted in a five year civil war. Do you honestly think the government wouldn't have seen many mutants that were similiar to Nanao during those 100 years after that? They probably have those threat estimates based on prior cases of the same kind of freaks. All it takes is one small temper tantrum to cause the death of untold numbers. Co-existance has been tried, the time for mercy is long gone.


 No.721253

>>721247

>planned a revolt

>against "inhumane treatment as research specimens"

>In the example of microbe girl she only fought back when they tried to murder her

>"How dare they rebel against our inhumane treatment of them and act to protect their right to exist?"

And if the talented are all complicit in all crimes of other talented, then by logical necessity all talentless are also complicit in all crimes by the talentless as well.

>>Implying he wouldn't start a resistance movement the second he realized what was going on

>what was going on

The willingness to rebel upon learning that you are being treated like that is a good thing. If he was likely to become a strong leader, maybe the best way to make him not lead a violent rebellion would be to not make a violent rebellion 100% justified. There is a government conspiracy trying to murder him and everyone he knows because of crimes they did not commit and damage they did not cause. What better justification is there to fight?


 No.721272

>>719747

>playing cat and mouse game rip-off of deathnote

I guess anything that has magic in it is a harry potter ripoff too?


 No.721373

>>721247

Being a leader isn't something you are born with, Hitler is a painter so every painter are capable of being a Hitler? The whole situations are force onto him by Nana, if she just stay quite, he wouldn't even be nominated for the role. What guarantee the government have that other maybe more dangerous peoples wouldn't rise up and be the leader? Fucking zero. The author kill Nanao not because of his power, but because he "maybe" a leader which is just lazy excuse that ruin the whole premise of the manga.

>Talented peoples are harmful to society and have to be executed

>oh, kill that guy with not only harmless but beneficial power too because reasons


 No.721375

>>721272

Jokes on you, Harry Potter is a ripoff too


 No.721502

Where the fuck is the new chapter? I need something to rekindle my hate and anger.


 No.721649

Read through it and the Keikaku'ing isn't so shabby. It's like Danganronpa in a sense where the background setting is unimportant and its retarded to rationalize it when the present condition the characters are in is what should be focused on.


 No.721718

File: 901d312d1bb57ff⋯.png (7.17 KB, 485x116, 485:116, Helvetica_Scans.png)

>>721502

It is delayed.


 No.725109

>>721373

>The author kill Nanao not because of his power, but because he "maybe" a leader which is just lazy excuse that ruin the whole premise of the manga.

The premise of the manga is that you have a crazy government who has concluded that having these school deathcamps is a viable idea and that they have no qualms with killing people based on vague estimates. That is why it isn't weird at all in the context of the manga.


 No.725816

New chapter out, it's complete dogshit again.


 No.725825

File: 89a1958739753cc⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 690.47 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, 0043.png)

>>725816

She can't keep getting away with it.


 No.725960

File: 5d5948aeae616f3⋯.png (904.26 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, 0017.png)

File: 1ddccb40b036107⋯.gif (3.67 MB, 480x354, 80:59, egg face desk.gif)

So far her victims have been:

> A boy who can nullify special powers

> A boy who can travel back in time

> A boy who can't die

> A girl who FUCKING HEALS people

And SOMEHOW these kids have the potential to kill not thousands, but millions of people.

This girl is given arbitrary numbers but never questions the legitimacy of them.

It's easier to stomach this manga if you just see Nana as the Villain protagonist, but I'm still interested in how this is all going to play out. Will it end up being stupid, or kino?


 No.725961

>>725960

How can you people be so autistic that you don't realize the death projections are MADE UP NUMBERS. Why the fuck else do you think they keep showing her being so conflicted about the murders, constantly looking to her phone for the reassurance that what she's doing is RIGHT. Without the numbers she wouldn't be able to murder these innocents.

What she doesn't know, or doesn't want to believe, is that the numbers are just made up bullshit by the organization that hired her to do the killings.


 No.725964

>>725961

> conflicted about the murders

If she's has any remorse, she's doing a damn good job of hiding it, seeing as she immediately labels the girl as a monster just because her bosses give her, like you said, a made up number.

It's not that she's merely sociopathic, or even that she thinks she's justified in what she's doing, but she's too stupid to question things that most readers would be questioning at this point.

Again, that could be the whole idea behind this comic. But the suspension of disbelief is starting to wear thin.


 No.725969

>>725964

>she's too stupid to question things that most readers would be questioning at this point.

Keep in mind this is a system that has apparently been going without a hitch for decades, so for Nana to already be on the verge of getting caught she must be massively incompetent even in-universe, as well as being completely retarded to the reader's eye.

Not that it makes the manga any less shit.

>But the suspension of disbelief is starting to wear thin

Yours must be pretty forgiving since mine went out the window a long time ago.


 No.726025

>>725960

Shouldn't the boy who can travel back in time be able to kill infinite humans.

If he goes back in time and changes the timeline an infinite number of humans will never be born that would have been born otherwise.


 No.726062

>>726025

That anon isn't remembering correctly, the second target could stop time, not travel back in time.


 No.726074

>>726062

You are not remembering right, the second targets power was travelling back in time, that's why he died to the retarded keikaku that he did.

Also, why doesn't the shadow goverment just collect the kids to the island, and blast it to smithereens every couple of years. Surely they have enough islands to keep it running indefinetly, just claim that they change the training camp every 2-3 years because the location is secret and must be kept so.


 No.726306

>>726062

He could travel back in time but only in a period of 24 hours, but then there is catch, his body become weaker.


 No.726307

>>726074

I think "logical" reasoning is some may have the power to survive the nuclear blast like the immortal guy. Even then, killing talented peoples indiscriminately when some of them are harmless and beneficial to humanity is just pure retardation.


 No.726309

>>719661

>I'm glad he's dead.

HABEAS CORPUS


 No.726335

I want to see if dog-girl can heal a circumcision.


 No.726384

Were this manga written by anyone even half-talented, the first chapter twist would have been done 20-30 chapters in and the focus would have been on a talented coming to terms with it. As it is, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets cancelled before completion.


 No.726392

I think Nana's bosses may be Talented people who have successfully integrated themselves to the top of the society and are afraid of competition. Someone in that group may have the Talent of detecting other people's Talents, which could explain the otherwise strange choice of sending someone like Nana. Others in the group could have Talents like predicting stock market moves.

I think Nana's Talent, consistent with the parodic tone of the manga, could be the Power of Innocence or something very much like it. Basically, her power really is telepathic, but it broadcasts instead of receives. The telepathy makes other people see Nana as an innocent, good-hearted girl, even though she actually is a total sociopath*. This is obviously a great asset for a murderer.

Anyway, I'm not sure if Nana has actually successfully killed anyone yet. Falling from a high place with the body never being found is notoriously non-lethal in fiction, and being encased in supernatural ice is usually depicted as totally harmless to the victim.

* Or possibly mind-controlled by one of her bosses' Talents. It depends on how edgy the manga really is.


 No.726394

>>726335

That's why the Talented are really getting killed. They have the potential to undermine the customs and rituals of a certain group with shadowy influence over global politics.


 No.726661

>>720472

The only post that make sense in this thread. Based on the chapters so far, its obvious that the author just made up some bullshit as he goes along without thinking if its makes any sense in the overall plot of the manga. I'm sure he's gonna do at least 2 or 3 more "plot twist" later on.


 No.726678

>Looseboy

I believe I have found the problem.


 No.730330

>>719605

I can't even tell if it's good or bad writing.


 No.731211

>>719795

Is it like Death Note?


 No.731213

>>731211

Not yet as she keeps winning.


 No.733869

File: d2e204e6beb2ddc⋯.png (1.41 MB, 1800x1280, 45:32, 027.png)

>Talent produces physical evidence that she will try to kill him

>confronts her with it alone

I'm sure that he's made several copies stored in multiple redundant locations so that people will find it should something happen to him, and that he has told credible people about his talent and what it showed him before going to meet her.

Right?


 No.733928

Alright here's the theory for the story:

-The Enemy of Humanity is real, and they've slowly infiltrated and taken over the government

-The schools WERE originally built to train talented humans to fight against the Enemy, but due to Enemy interference have become slapdash and useless

-However, even if the training schools are useless, talented humans like the fake MC in the first chapter would rise up and become leaders and heroes

-The Enemies raise and use abducted talentless children like Nana to infiltrate the schools and murder potential heroes and while feeding them bullshit stories and made up numbers


 No.733930

>>733869

>Having any amount of good sense

>In Talentless Nana

I'll be surprised if he has a copy of it in his room.


 No.734111

File: 957ae4b0a11a51e⋯.png (16.38 KB, 142x178, 71:89, dog.PNG)

>There are female assassins who don't want to protect this

>>733869

Maybe he has a limitation, like having to destroy an expensive camera every time he gets a photo.


 No.734125

>>733869

That would mean that nana would get crushed. Can't have that.


 No.734135

>>734111

This ain't Jojo mate.

Jojo is actually good


 No.737328

Wow, an entertainment medium mostly consumed by young males in an overcrowded, repressive society is full of retarded fantasies about causing violence on young teenagers and moeshit.

I think it's best to just ignore reason when dealing with manga like this because there's a shitton of much worse things.

If you don't stop here you might end up writing long essays about the motivation and shortcomings of characters in NTR hentai manga.


 No.737336

File: d5cded80f9ddcdb⋯.jpg (34.16 KB, 256x236, 64:59, 1419898594692.jpg)

>>737328

Who are you talking to?


 No.737365

>>737336

I just addressed a number of anons in this thread who tried to make sense of this lowbrow form of entertainment. It's just that I see an increasing amount of this kind of reasoning with silly stories in anime/manga/hentai/cable tv shows these days and it's getting real silly.

My sage wasn't a "fuck you" sage, I just didn't want to get up the hopes of people looking for new chapter discussion.


 No.737397

>>737365

You actually think there's anyone willing to discuss this mess seriously besides me and the other guy?


 No.737596

>>737397

Hey man, I may not be reading this but this thread is a lot of fun.


 No.737602

I'd rather read this than Tomo-chan.


 No.738912

>>737328

The problem is that the manga isn't a silly slice of life.It's a mystery/detective manga where reasons and logic play a big part even if it set in modern fantasy setting. Saying that "it's a lowbrow form of entertainment" doesn't exclude it from any criticism.


 No.738916

>>733928

If that is the case, the pacing of the manga is retarded because the author already reveal the "fake setting" as the plot twist and now he gonna do another "plot twist" except its not a twist anymore, its a full 360 turn back to the original plot

>Ch.1: Superpower kids go to special school to defeat the enemy

>Ch.2: Plot twist, the enemy are actually the superpower kids and we just fooled them to think monster exist

>Ch.XX: Plot twist, refer to Ch.1


 No.739689

>>719734

>it is fundamentally in opposition to the principles of justice to execute someone for something they have not done yet

The very idea of justice itself is the idea of people getting what they deserve. That is, that there is a relationship between what people do and what happens to them and that this relationship, governed by society, is one that rewards good behaviour and punishes bad behaviour. Justice is preceded by Order. Now, the problem with the Talents is that they cannot be perfectly controlled. They disrupt order and create chaos. They break the ability of those that govern to maintain the relationship between what people do and what they get. There's going to be innocent people getting butchered and there's going to be terrible people exploiting the chaos and using it as a smokescreen to conceal further crimes. This is why they have to be "punished" i.e. they're not being punished. Without order, there's no justice and without justice, their treatment cannot be considered a punishment. The way they're treated exists outside of that.


 No.739706

>>739689

>Now, the problem with the Talents is that they cannot be perfectly controlled

Neither can people without talents. To use the example the manga itself used, gun owners. One of the major arguments against gun control is precisely that gun ownership prevents the government from having perfect control. When a government utterly dominates the governed, justice tends to disappear.

What you're arguing is not only as absurd as saying all gun owners must be executed, but actually even more so, since gun ownership is a conscious decision while the talented are born with their abilities.

>They disrupt order and create chaos

They are capable of this. Some of them do this. But to once again refer to the manga's example, some gun owners commit crimes. That does not make every gun owner a murderer. Collective guilt is complete bullshit.

>There's going to be innocent people getting butchered

There's innocent people getting butchered right now by Nana.

>Without order, there's no justice and without justice, their treatment cannot be considered a punishment. The way they're treated exists outside of that.

So to protect justice you'd sacrifice... justice. That makes sense.


 No.740303

>>739706

>Neither can people without talents

That's different because the people, whilst they cannot be perfectly controlled can still be controlled enough to be deemed "controllable". I shouldn't have used the word "perfect" here. That was a mistake on my part. Sorry.

>When a government utterly dominates the governed, justice tends to disappear.

Because those that wielded power were typically selfish rather than concerned with justice. The fact that it normally happens doesn't mean it has to happen.

>What you're arguing is not only as absurd as saying all gun owners must be executed

Not executed, just stripped of their arms. Although I suppose gun-owners wouldn't be so comfortable with giving up their arms in which case, force would be necessary and however much blood has to spill, has to spill.

>They are capable of this.

No. Their mere presence is the disruption. The system through which justice is enacted was not designed with such beings in mind. Now that they're here, the system is no longer adequate. You either change the system or you change them and quite frankly, dead or isolated, it's easier to change them.

>some gun owners commit crimes. That does not make every gun owner a murderer.

Gun owners collectively need to-

>Collective guilt is complete bullshit.

Anarcho-anything cannot work. The first person that's capable of seizing power in an anarcho-x society, will and that becomes the new dictatorship. If systems are inevitable then it would be wisest to ensure that the system is a good one. Gun owners then, must have collective awareness of their net impact on the system.

>There's innocent people getting butchered right now by Nana.

The "innocent" people that I refer to are the ones that die simply because the best possible system was not being enforced. With systems, collateral damage is unavoidable. That doesn't mean that the system is worthless. The fact is, lives that could've been saved, were lost. Arguing that this is okay because people are dying anyway is as absurd as arguing that it's okay to kill people because people die anyway.

>So to protect justice you'd sacrifice... justice. That makes sense.

Pragmatically, in order to enforce justice, you need order. You need to do whatever's necessary to maintain order. As an anime-fan, I severely doubt you're alien to the "for the greater good" notion.


 No.740437

>That's different because the people, whilst they cannot be perfectly controlled can still be controlled enough to be deemed "controllable"

How is a schoolgirl with a healing tongue harder to control than an untalented person with infographics on thermite and ANFO?

>Because those that wielded power were typically selfish rather than concerned with justice. The fact that it normally happens doesn't mean it has to happen.

This is "communism has never been tried" tier. If you remove accountability then injustice is guaranteed.

>Their mere presence is the disruption.

If the simple fact of being exceptional makes you a problem you're on a fast track to a Harrison Bergeron hellhole. After all, if fake-MC's Imagine Breaker was somehow so destructive to society despite its apparent harmlessness, then geniuses are downright apocalyptic.

>The system through which justice is enacted was not designed with such beings in mind. Now that they're here, the system is no longer adequate. You either change the system or you change them and quite frankly, dead or isolated, it's easier to change them.

So you're saying if the people grow out of touch with the government, then the government must remove and replace the people? I think you've got things a little backwards there.

You seem to be under the impression that people exist only to serve the system, and that anyone not useful to that end must be culled. Your vision is one of ants or cogs.

>>Collective guilt is complete bullshit.

>Anarcho-anything cannot work.

Anarchist systems are as broken as totalitarian ones, and as you correctly point out tend to give rise to them. But constraints on a government's power do not imply a complete lack of government.

That's irrelevant though, since I fail to see how a system must be anarchism if it does not hold someone responsible for actions which they could not prevent, do not support, and might even be incapable of, and which were done by someone they have never met and will never meet.

>in order to enforce justice, you need order. You need to do whatever's necessary to maintain order

Order does not imply justice. Your system may be quite ordered but it is fundamentally built on a disregard for justice.

>Not executed, just stripped of their arms. Although I suppose gun-owners wouldn't be so comfortable with giving up their arms in which case, force would be necessary and however much blood has to spill, has to spill.

I don't think there's any way to properly respond to this utter insanity that wouldn't push this discussion past what's allowed by the rules on political discussion.


 No.740470

>>738916

>If that is the case, the pacing of the manga is retarded because the author already reveal the "fake setting" as the plot twist and now he gonna do another "plot twist" except its not a twist anymore, its a full 360 turn back to the original plot

I mean, in a story predicated on a twist and premised around a protagonist committing atrocities for a ostensibly benevolent cause, the only satisfactory progression of the story is that there must be a twist at some point revealing that the protagonist's actions were wrong and even counterproductive to their original goal.

The story cannot just end with Nana having been correct in her actions all along. There's no character growth, there's no substantial external or internal conflict, there would be nothing interesting.

The only question is whether Nana will see redemption.


 No.740482

>>740437

>How is a schoolgirl with a healing tongue harder to control than an untalented person with infographics on thermite and ANFO?

If somebody is planning to make a bomb, they'd have to look up the ingredients necessary to make one. The NSA have bots in place to monitor that kind of internet activity. The threat's been considered and countermeasures have been integrated into the system. A schoolgirl with a healing tongue poses a non-standard threat that can't be systematically dealt with. It's easiest to either kill or isolate.

>If you remove accountability then injustice is guaranteed.

I believe in the potential existence of a benevolent dictator.

>After all, if fake-MC's Imagine Breaker was somehow so destructive to society despite its apparent harmlessness

That looks like a case-by-case analysis. I assumed that the talents would be systematically removed. But nonetheless, the system can't deal with the non-standard threats that such a person poses.

>So you're saying if the people grow out of touch with the government, then the government must remove and replace the people?

If a government cannot govern its people then you must either replace the government or replace the people, yes. Otherwise, just let the country fall and rebuild itself into one where the government can indeed govern.

>You seem to be under the impression that people exist only to serve the system, and that anyone not useful to that end must be culled.

The people only exist to serve the system. The system only exists to serve the people. The individuals uplift the masses. The masses create the environment necessary for the uplifting of the individuals. A flower needs a good garden and a good garden needs flowers.

Sorry but I'll come back to the rest of your post tomorrow. I'm just posting this incomplete response for now. I'll finish this.


 No.740515

>>740482

>The NSA have bots in place to monitor that kind of internet activity

And yet bombs still get made. All you need for thermite is rust and aluminum.

>A schoolgirl with a healing tongue poses a non-standard threat

>That looks like a case-by-case analysis. I assumed that the talents would be systematically removed. But nonetheless, the system can't deal with the non-standard threats that such a person poses

You have yet to say what that threat is, only that the government can't handle whatever it is. Indeed we have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that either of them posed a threat at all, unless you are so unfathomably gullible as to believe what Nana's phone tells her.

>The people only exist to serve the system

People exist because they exist. Government comes after.

I find it thoroughly undesirable to make everyone a slave. Maybe we should just end things here because we're not going to find much common ground on that.


 No.740547

>There are peoples still believe that Nana is in the right for killing the talented student

Are you purposely being retarded? We way passed that point already, I already called it out on the first fucking chapter and skeptic already changing their mind after the healer girl chapter.


 No.740561

We must kill the mutant freaks.


 No.740565

File: 55e99316c673230⋯.png (465.34 KB, 980x637, 20:13, mangaka.PNG)

>>740470

>The story cannot just end with Nana having been correct in her actions all along

But her action isn't correct, I already know that.

>There's no character growth, there's no substantial external or internal conflict

And the cause of this internal conflict was revealed in the first fucking chapter. The author is trying to be smart by doing a bait and switch but it only came off as stupid and anti-climatic. Plot twist is supposed to be reveal at the end. A proper way to do this is by introducing the "fake plot" first and do the twist half way in the series to begin a new arc where Nana join forces with the talented students

>Manga start off at ch.2 where Nana is being brief about the operation of exterminating talented students in remote island

>Day by day Nana starting to notice the disconnect between the students power and their kill count

>She start to question herself action

>Begin her own investigation about the enemy of humanity

>Plot twist, they are real all along (ch.1) and she realize that she been used by them

>New arc where she uncover who's the leader of the organization

That's how a proper mystery are written

>inb4 "he's trying something different"

just because its different, doesn't mean its good. Pic related, why all the characters in the manga so fucking dumb.


 No.740606

File: a5b4869fb671887⋯.png (252.09 KB, 668x425, 668:425, scum.png)

There, now we know why he doesn't bother telling anyone about his attempted-murder prediction. He's a nihilist/hedonist who has long since given up on effort and fear, because nothing he does will change the future (I'd like to see his powers interact with the guy who can travel back in time). Besides, he might not die from the attack, and why play good guy when he could have some fun with a cutie through blackmail.

>>740565

>it only came off as stupid and anti-climatic

It wasn't to me. That's just an opinion, ESL-kun. The plot you laid out isn't any more "proper" or more intelligently written, it's just what you would rather read. I like my keikaku of the week.

I don't necessarily agree with that image, though I guess it depends on what you mean by intelligence. I could spend months planning what my character thinks up and enacts within an hour. My character could have encyclopedic knowledge of things that would far exceed my memory capacity. I can research philosophy and tactics I never would've thought of myself and write a character who came up with the ideas on his own.


 No.740658

File: d9051a45e6d6656⋯.png (730.19 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, Whatdidshesee.png)

What is she looking at, /a/?


 No.740662

>>740658

Also, Chapter 10 is called "Necromancer". I wonder...


 No.740719

>>740606

>already given away the "plot twist" in the first fucking chapter

>not anti-climatic

That's not an opinion, its a fact retard.


 No.740930

>>740515

>But constraints on a government's power do not imply a complete lack of government.

That's irrelevant though, since I fail to see how a system must be anarchism if it does not hold someone responsible for actions which they could not prevent, do not support, and might even be incapable of, and which were done by someone they have never met and will never meet.

In my eyes, the system needs to be as close to perfection as possible so it'd be necessary to apply the maximum amount of power. Holding someone that's individually innocent accountable for the actions of the group they belong to is necessary because now they can be systematically dealt with.

>And yet bombs still get made.

I believe the number of bombs being made is less than what it would be had the system not had its adaptations to that threat.

>You have yet to say what that threat is

Anything that can be deemed a risk to the system's stability. I think it goes without saying that some threats are going to be more pressing than others but I just want to say it anyway, just in case.

I have to admit though, discussing all of this has exposed something to me. I always believed order is what minimises unnecessary suffering therefore order is true justice but I think I don't even know what justice is. All of my beliefs just boil down to some kind of strongman "might-is-right" approach found either amongst the "civilisations" of ants (e.g. the Chinese) or animals (e.g. the Africans). My sense of justice has no real philosophical basis so I guess it's off to the audiobooks for me.


 No.740939

>>740719

Look, I know you can't speak or spell fucking English, but that's not what "anti-climatic" means. In Layman's terms, anticlimactic is when you are expecting a big thing to happen, but then nothing really happens. It does not mean "a twist occurred, but my autism can only handle a twist at the halfway mark of a series". The big finale of this series doesn't need to be another twist either, so nothing's been "given away".

>>740658

I hope we get an Oingo-boingo situation, where the events depicted absolutely will happen, but are open to interpretation. Not really expecting something that cool though.


 No.742183

>>740606

>I don't necessarily agree with that image

So I'm supposed to believe a girl that is so smart, she can outwitted other student and discover their weaknesses can't figure out that killing harmless students actually counter-productive to the overall "fighting the enemy of humanity"?


 No.742184

>>740939

>The big finale of this series doesn't need to be another twist either

So all the killing are actually justified? The bad guys are the students? really?


 No.742195

>>742184

He's not saying that "twist" won't/shouldn't happen, he's saying that whenever the end of the series comes, it doesn't need to be "EVERYTHING YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW WAS A LIE." A climax doesn't need to be a mind blowing twist. It just needs to be exciting.


 No.742196

File: 77c22720966c43d⋯.jpg (57.7 KB, 500x386, 250:193, space fuhrer.jpg)

So, is this a disgusting story about the government getting idiots to kill people better than themselves?

Because that's actually pretty realistic. Not very satisfying and can't possibly end well, but WW2 wasn't like that either. Evil always seems to win, in our world, except when it happens to be the lesser evil.


 No.745672

>>740658

Chapters on helvetica already showed you the answer. And more keikaku happened.

Really, I can't remember a time where I've wanted the 'main character' of an anime to die so much. Was that the point? To hate Nana? I feel like I'd hate her less if she did away with the bullshit kill-count estimations and just was on a crusade to kill all the mutants.


 No.745723

File: 79f0395f71103c5⋯.png (627.59 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, InsanePerson.png)

>>745672

I posted that before Part 3 was translated, genius.

But yeah, I kind of agree with you. It would be easier for me to accept her killing off these kids if she wasn't such a bitch about it. It's almost like she enjoys it and just wants to justify the deaths.

Makes you wonder what the creators themselves think about Nana.


 No.748229

File: 7a65c533459be77⋯.png (14.72 KB, 751x373, 751:373, nope.PNG)

File: 11dbedd4a81bf43⋯.png (22.66 KB, 603x385, 603:385, eg.PNG)

>>740939

>Look, I know you can't speak or spell fucking English, but that's not what "anti-climatic" means. In Layman's terms, anticlimactic is when you are expecting a big thing to happen, but then nothing really happens

the irony


 No.748233

I'm not reading this but it reminds me of Guilty Crown.


 No.750439

File: 278c3db1e0806c6⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 961.71 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, 0170.png)

New chapter is up. Least likable protagonist gets pretty spooky


 No.750670

File: c4989112ad2b632⋯.jpg (181.51 KB, 793x595, 793:595, eiichi raids.jpg)

File: fbe81ee778a3a3c⋯.png (2.04 MB, 1444x1065, 1444:1065, Fuck her.png)

File: cc31156eb4dfec9⋯.png (73.57 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, kkk.png)

File: c1c00c3ca4c5137⋯.png (317.69 KB, 450x337, 450:337, reform society.png)

File: 0906f6090ec6c8a⋯.png (194.09 KB, 820x660, 41:33, smack a bitch.png)

>looseboy

Given how popular G senjou and sharin no kuni are you'd think people would expect a story that hinges on twists, cartoonishly evil governments and keikakus.


 No.754667

This is truly the citizen kane of Manga.


 No.754759

>>750670

>Sharin no Kuni

Fuck I loved that. I had no idea what I was getting into, shit goes absolutely off the rails less than 10 minutes in


 No.754762

>>750439

Man I hope Inukai stays alive for a little longer, she's super cute.


 No.754830

>>754759

RIP 5 minutes late-chan


 No.756536

File: f085fc1faee2d2c⋯.png (688.66 KB, 900x1280, 45:64, Two sweet.png)

Is Vince McMahon gonna have to sue somebody?


 No.760264

Chapter 11 is up now. All about the one kid who is a necromancer.


 No.760290

Wow. Just... wow. That idiotic balloon deflation of a resolution at the beginning of the newest chapter. That is peak stupid.

>"I've reanimated this boy's corpse so that we can learn from him who killed him and other children."

"No, we shouldn't do that."

>"Okay. Go back into the coffin, dead child."


 No.760451

>>760290

Right? I was genuinely curious as to how she'd talk her way out of that predicament, but they did it in the stupidest way possible.

I feel like I'm only reading this manga in the hopes Nana will get killed instead.


 No.760474

>>760290

>>760451

Took you this long to realize all the keikaku shit are dumb? The first chapter should be an indication that the author have no clue how to wrote a mystery/detective manga.


 No.765211

>>750670

I actually miss Sharin no kuni.




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