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File: 30ea8e27388abed⋯.jpg (566.72 KB, 1920x1967, 1920:1967, [Erai-raws] Dragon Ball Su….jpg)

 No.765455

Will Vegeta get a power up from this?

 No.765463

File: d505d575d97e5a0⋯.jpg (25.1 KB, 501x500, 501:500, 1493188808343.jpg)

>Will Vegeta get a power up from this?

No


 No.765465

File: cbfc083819f8590⋯.jpg (107.15 KB, 912x607, 912:607, Crying vegetable.jpg)

>>765463

But Kakarot always gets power ups from this kind of thing.


 No.765466

File: 826b500249ca1a5⋯.jpg (30.08 KB, 500x375, 4:3, 24fee6fc141019a9df97226073….jpg)

>>765465

And Vegeta gets power ups off screen.


 No.765468

>>765455

He is going to get a power-up from his dead wife.


 No.765469

>>765466

And only through extreme training. Damn Kakarot gets a free pass.


 No.765470

>>765469

>>765466

Vegeta needs to spend a few episodes off-screen so he can suddenly get his powerups.


 No.765472

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>765455

Yes, Vegeta will become Ultra Instinct SSJ4 in the next episode. He will then kill the Zenos and eat them, stealing their powers. By the end of the series, Vegeta will be king of the multiverse, after going through 3200 trials that last 3 million years each and defeating the almost invincible Omniversal Broly. Goku will be killed by SSJ5 Paragus.

Vegeta won't beat Jiren, though. That's Ultra Instinct Piccolo's job. He secretly trained with Whis.


 No.765473

>>765469

Yeah that's the power of being the main character.


 No.765487

File: 6c6ea45c3ca3847⋯.png (604.69 KB, 913x800, 913:800, Screenshot_2017-12-02_20-1….png)

I think I've been watching too much porn. I thought OP's image was a picture of a penis going full force into a reverse cowgirl loli.


 No.765492

>>765487

Explain


 No.765495

>>765492

Goku's middle of his head is the penis going upward. The man is laying down behind. The loli is spreading legs above it.


 No.765497

>>765495

Thanks, I can see it now. Perhaps one day I can reach your level of degeneracy.


 No.765500

File: c5294af0d3801a4⋯.png (1.28 MB, 1282x1046, 641:523, brs.png)

>All of this talk about Vegeta's "bad mood"

>Not one mention of Beerus's heartbreaking fourth wall break


 No.765501

File: d7f448ff4ae68db⋯.png (2.18 MB, 1223x1200, 1223:1200, ClipboardImage.png)

At least CauliSHIT is erased. Too bad they're coming back after the arc.


 No.765505

>>765469

Because of those S-Cells. You'd think being a prince of Saiyans, he'd have more than Kakarot. Saiyan gods, Toriyama or whatever they believe in work in mysterious ways. Vegeta will always just be 2nd best.


 No.765512

>>765505

Maybe his individual cells are more powerful, but Saiyan potential is determined but the sum of one's cells. Prince of all manlets never stood a chance.


 No.765513

>>765505

Supposedly Saiyans with gentler spirits have more S-Cells than the rest.


 No.765521

File: 2d177473e996ec9⋯.png (358.28 KB, 500x383, 500:383, miscegenation_2.png)

>LOVE is finally destroyed

>Through a convenient powerup, LOVE passes onto to the remaining fighters

I would actually be pissed if they didn't get wiped


 No.765530

That was one of the best episodes of this entire tournament. Gohan and Piccolo fighting those two Namekians almost felt like old-school Dragonball Z. And for some reason the whole "love" nonsense didn't seem half as annoying when the men did it. Wonder why.

>>765500

>The way he turned away because he couldn't bear to watch his brother die

I would have teared up, if death meant a goddamn thing in this series and I didn't already know he'll be coming back.

Inb4 the end of the arc and they ask Super Shenron to revive those other universes, and he says, "Bitch, I can't do that. You think I'm more powerful than Zeno??" and they're actually killed off for real.


 No.765560

>>765530

>Inb4 the end of the arc and they ask Super Shenron to revive those other universes, and he says, "Bitch, I can't do that. You think I'm more powerful than Zeno??" and they're actually killed off for real.

It could be the case. With Whis stating that Goku's going to find it harder and harder to activate Ultra Instinct, we might see the tournament end with that power going off the table and no return wishes thanks to Zeno's deletion being irreversible.

What I wanna know is, was Uub even referenced in DBO's timeline? I feel like he wasn't at all.


 No.765570

>>765500

That was a great moment.


 No.765573

File: 678babc91f897ff⋯.jpg (20.54 KB, 580x487, 580:487, supersighian.jpg)

>>765505

>Because of those S-Cells.

Is anyone still going to go "muh headcanon" on anyone that criticizing DBS?


 No.765609

I'm a little upset after that episode. I had become pretty fond of the Universe 6 characters so it's sad to see them go. I know they'll be back eventually but even still.

It's kind of like when Majin Vegeta sacrificed himself. You knew he'd be back eventually but it was still quite tragic.


 No.765625

>>765609

>I had become pretty fond of the Universe 6 characters so it's sad to see them go.

You barely know anything about them.


 No.765626

>>765625

>You're not allowed to like characters who have had lots of screentime to display their personalities because you haven't been told their entire life story

Ok Anon


 No.765628

File: 78b29556a3abe43⋯.jpg (9.76 KB, 200x303, 200:303, doubt.jpg)

>>765626

>You're not allowed to like characters who have had lots of screentime to display their personalities


 No.765629

>>765628

>The statement you've made isn't true because I have quoted it and attached a reaction image


 No.765632

File: 14872fafe5b84e9⋯.png (756.31 KB, 927x960, 309:320, Cory The Final.png)

>>765629

Tell me why Hit, an assassin, is so concern about honor and why he insist on killing his targets from the front.

>Cabba

>personality beyond sucking Vegeta's dick

>Frost

>personality beyond being Frieza that pretends not to be evil

>the two other Saiyans, the two Namekians, pooh bear, and the pig

>no one gives a shit


 No.765655

File: 343cdfc7e26aa5a⋯.png (293.17 KB, 620x472, 155:118, champa final moment.png)

Rip in peace Champa-sama.


 No.765685

File: c4c25e9190f2f92⋯.png (1.45 MB, 810x1080, 3:4, ClipboardImage.png)

>>765655

Why is she so unloyal?


 No.765688

>>765685

She has a vagina


 No.765703

>>765455

That was probably the best episode in the series by far. Even though we know the odds are high that they’ll all return, it was still sad to see them go.

>The U2 fans were still hopeful as they were being erased

That one stung, but U6’s farewell was pretty sad as well. They all accepted their fate and took it like Champs.

There’s only 3 universes left, so I can see this arc being over in the next few months at most.


 No.765709

File: c86572eb20034b6⋯.jpg (111.58 KB, 821x974, 821:974, kale.jpg)

>>765703

I don't see it lasting beyond January. Don't know where people are getting this March nonsense from. Inconsequential filler episodes after everything goes down are always counted as part of the arc.

Part of me wants to see all the universes wished back, and for the problem with the wish being all the Universes that Zen-Oh destroyed before the ToP are brought back as well and they house some kind of threat, bringing us into the next arc. But another part wants all the universes to remain erased and for the next arc to focus on something to do with the universes that didn't have to participate. Or they can just skip to the end of Z and start fresh with the Uub's Training arc.


 No.765712

>>765703

>took it like Champas

Yes


 No.765747

>>765709

I want Universe 7 to be erased.

Not because I want the series to die, I mean I do but it'd be interesting to see a arc focusing on what happens during erasure- specifically what if the multi-verse still followed the rule "nothing can be created or destroyed."

Like, what if erasure means that the erased things get teleported to the bottom of the Void? What if Goku and the other erased universes have to deal with the trash of the multiverse, along with the disheveled remains of all other universes/planets/beings erased? It'd be cool to see Goku go up against not another human-like opponent, but a proper, not pink eldritch monstrosity that wishes to escape the Void to wreck harvoc upon the non-erased. It'd also be interesting, because it would set a sentiment to the Gods that simply destroying everything that displeases them isn't a good idea, and would bring more weight and importance to the Destruction role (and thus more scrutiny to Beerus for not doing his job properly). Zeno, in turn, could gain some character development from this, as the tiny little dumbass might realize that the 'boom button' shouldn't be used as freely and frequently.

Who knows, maybe one or two of the angels that were sad about their universes being erased comes out of hibernation to investigate their erasure?

If, in this case, Universe 11 wins, what if Jiren investigates the erasure? In the manga Jiren is portrayed a lot more selfless, he might be the same in the anime, just that the anime didn't show it.

The only issue is that power-scaling and shit is getting ridiculous and if it isn't pulled off correctly it'll just mean that there will never be any real life or death stakes to anything ever again, because erasure currently the only way for characters to really 'die'.


 No.765782

File: d1521e206b6707b⋯.png (539.96 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Annoyed.png)

>>765747

>>765709

>Everyone believes the universes will be revived

>Dragon Ball general plot says so

>Frieza has yet to pull off his own desire against the gods

Think it will take 2 arcs or so to revive the other universes? Think the Frieza will get his Dragon Ball wish come full circle in this arc?


 No.765813

>>765709

It's been two minutes per episode for the longest time. There isn't any good reason for them to break this, so that would mean there are less than seven episodes left.

>>765747

This was brought up a few threads ago. I still think this would be a fantastic idea, because it would pit U7 and everyone else against motherfucking Giygas-Zamasu, which could be pretty interesting.


 No.765860

>>765782

Who knows, they've actually set it up so something interesting to happen, but knowing Toei, it'll be disappointing.


 No.765928

>>765455

I'm gonna miss Hit and Little Shota Saiyan.


 No.765930

>>765573

...so S-Cells aren't a joke, Toriyama really did try and ape Lucas, and do so exxtremely poorly?


 No.765932

>>765930

Just Googled this.

Goddammit Toriyama. Just....yeah you know what?

Fuck it. I'll treat literally everything about Dragonball Super, and the two movies, the same way I treat everything in Star Wars Post Disney. Like it's shit, and doesn't exist.


 No.765942

File: e7f4e41ea860d7b⋯.png (331.33 KB, 512x384, 4:3, 1428931902659.png)

>>765932

At least S-Cells aren't living organisms that make someone more powerful. Though it isn't very far from that.


 No.765944

>>765942

That's not what Midichlorians ever were, and everyone who peddles that nonsense is stupid and ignorant.

Midichlorians are just an extremephile that benefit off an obscure form of energy and are otherwise benign.


 No.765945

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>765944

What did Space Jesus mean by this?


 No.765946

>>765945

The Force is strong with him, the Midichlorians are strongly attracted to him. Whats your point?


 No.765947

>>765946

No midichlorians lived inside him, that's why he's super strong.


 No.765949

>>765947

That was the religious dogma of the era, based on misunderstanding the relationship between being strong in the force, and having a high count of medichlorines in the blood.


 No.765950

File: 934dc738683404a⋯.png (673.5 KB, 784x720, 49:45, 297c17a7505db54909962e18ff….png)

>>765949

Sounds like head canon to me.


 No.765951

>>765950

Yeah, it does. But had you actually read the post KOTOR-era novels, you wouldn't be so retarded about it.


 No.765952

File: b44b45fe751e434⋯.gif (1.79 MB, 320x193, 320:193, 1431916103470.gif)

>>765951

I'm not going to read OC donut steel fanfic books about movies that weren't even good in the first place.


 No.765955

>>765952

So, you care enough to get mad on the internet, but you're trying really hard to look like you don't actually care> Gotcha.


 No.765957

Weird continuuity gaf I noticed in Dragonball Heores.

Time Patroller Trunks is excited to see Goten show up at the Bebi-Hatchyak fight, and knows the fusion dance. However, in Heroes and Xenoverse, they make it clear that Time Patroller Trunk is the Timeline A1 Trunks, and never even met Goten.


 No.765958

File: c1d0ac99f175842⋯.gif (1.59 MB, 400x600, 2:3, 1414633631467.gif)

>>765955

Seems like you're implying a lot. I'm not a bit mad, I think if anyone's man, it's you.


 No.765960

>>765958

If you weren't mad you would have walked away a while ago.


 No.765967

>>765951

Aren't the novels non-canon now?

>>765957

Patroller Trunks knows of Goten and witnessed the dance.


 No.765972

>>765960

>If he comes back it proves he's mad enough to reply

>If he doesn't come back it proves he's so mad he couldn't reply

Will you go jump off a fucking cliff already?


 No.765973

>>765967

In the strictest sense, yes. But a lot of the KOTOR era stuff is in a special gray area due to SWTOR still being a thing.


 No.765978

File: 0e60ce9a69033be⋯.png (55.38 KB, 200x242, 100:121, pit9.png)

>>765973

Come to think of it, the aspects of the difference between midichlorians and the Force was touched up on in-canon, since the Living Force gets explored as a concept in the Clone Wars cartoon near its final episodes and in one arc where the trio visits a nexus of the Force. Since Qui-gon started to develop the technique of manifesting as a ghost at the end of the Clone Wars cartoon (with his body cremated, I might add), it's entirely reasonable to infer that the Living Force exists outside of midichlorians, and since Jedi pre-Qui-gon aren't shown to even know how to separate themselves from being one with the Force to manifest as ghosts, speculate that midichlorians could have mistakenly been blamed as the origin of the Force in-universe (although I don't remember them being called that outside of people critiquing the prequels).

Sage for major off-topic.


 No.765980

>>765949

The entire plot of episodes 1-3 hinge on Anakin being having a fuck-ton of medicholrians due to being a sci-fi Jesus.


 No.765982

>>765958

>I think if anyone's man, it's you

But I am a little girl, Anon.


 No.765985

>>765942

The problem is it adds an unnecessary dimension to the SSJ form without actually explaining anything.

1) It doesn't explain why no Saiyan in U6 gotten the SSJ form.

2) It doesn't explain why Goku who lived almost his entire life on Earth only turn SSJ at Namek.

3) It doesn't explain why Gohan didn't turn SSJ sooner.

4) It doesn't explain why Vegeta turn SSJ from just being slightly less evil.

5) It doesn't explain the rarity of ability prior to Goku (If Vegeta can have a change of heart, it is hard to see all Saiyans as inherently dickish.)

All it does is justify the backtingles.


 No.765998

>>765985

>All it does is justify the backtingles.

It also justifies everyone who ever said that adding on to dragonball z after 10 years was stupid, blue hair saiyans and golden freiza were fanfiction, and shits on eveyone who shitted on the movie characters like broly, cooler, and janemba. Beerus and Hit are some of the only cool ideas about super. I guess there is whatever is freiza has planned at the end of the tournament arc but almost every other plot point abut DBS has been a total letdown to me.

When they reboot DB again, and they will, they'll probably just hand waive away most things in super like they did with GT with how many plot points and power ups they would have to justify and acknowledge; Also manage to remember since toriyama has goldfish memory.


 No.766017

>>765985

This s-cells nonsense even canonized the retard fanwank that having a high power level is directly inherited.

This literally destroys Gohan's entire character arc, which pretty much was THE ENTIRE OVERREACHING PLOT OF ALL OF FUCKING DRAGONBALL Z, by reducing all of his struggles and pain, and all of the messianic hints, to him only being strong because of magical genetics. He didn't accomplish a goddamn thing on his own, no; it was only because he was conceived by the strongest man on Earth.

Toriyama seriously needs to die. This is literally becoming Naruto as we speak.


 No.766019

>>765998

That's an insult to goldfish.


 No.766040

>watched this episode with friends

>all quite for a solid minute afterwards

How the fuck did Super manage to make me feel?


 No.766049

>>766040

>How the fuck did Super manage to make me feel?

That sounds like what we call faggotry.

They are going to be wished back so why kid yourself.

>>765560

The angels make a big fuzz about the Super Dragon Ball being able to even kill a god.


 No.766119

>>766017

>This s-cells nonsense even canonized the retard fanwank that having a high power level is directly inherited

That wasn't a problem, but now it will be forever associated with it.

>>765998

>>765985

>>765980

>>765978

>>765973

>>765972

>>765967

>>765960

>>765957

>>765955

>>765951

>>765950

>>765949

>>765947

And I am still ignoring DBS the same way I ignore Disney Wars. And for largely the same reasons. Frankly, I would ignore the existence of Ahsoka Tano and that entire shitty cgi Clone Wars cartoon, if the Ahsoka porn wasn't so deliciously nasty.


 No.766120

>>765978

The Sith could and frequently did though. Perhaps thats why the Jedi avoided it, they thought it was inherently Dark.


 No.766121

>>765998

Toriyama would be dead if they revive it again like this.


 No.766210

>>765685

I think more than half the angels hate their "masters" if anything, as usual I am one of those who think Dai-Shinkan is the real villain of the arc.


 No.766215

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>766210

Angel loli is the best angel.


 No.766218

>>766215

Probably, she seemed to be fond of "Ganesh."


 No.766252

Does anyone knows why does Akira hates Oozaru so much? I mean sure GT was a little bit too much, but completely removing the Oozaru form, which multiplied your power by 100, it seems a little silly, and potential were endless, Oozaru SSJ God Oozaru.

>>766218

It seems like most angels are fond of their gods, in anything, Akira said the case of Beerus and Who's is like that of Human and a Feral Tom Cat, who just get along, it's fair to assume Loli was fond of Ganesha due to having spend time with him, sort of like a pet.

>>765500

I never imagined to see such a strong reaction from Beerus, truly hit emotions of men, expected from a guy named after drink that hits home too, beer.

>>765626

We know a little about them, Champa, Cabbage, etc they grow on you, Hitman Hit was a pretty cool character too.

>>765685

Sauce


 No.766295

>>766119

>And I am still ignoring DBS the same way I ignore Disney Wars.

Then why are you even in this tread?


 No.766328

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 No.766331

>>766252

>Does anyone knows why does Akira hates Oozaru so much?

He forgot they exist, just like everything else. He forgot Saiyans are supposed to have tails, hence why the U6 Saiyans don't have them.


 No.766340

>>766252

It's not a hundredfold; it's tenfold.

>>765998

We told you so. I believe I mentioned how this was a blatant money-grubbing scheme that would destroy the (remaining) purity of DB/Z.

>>766328

Star Wars was a mistake.


 No.766343

>>766331

That doesn't really work, since he didn't design any of the U6 Saiyans, the Toei committee did. He did, however, forget that there was a step between SSJ and SSJ3, or that he'd even numbered the transformations. Which is why everyone gets SSJ3 in the games.


 No.766351

>>766328

Anyone else think that Kriea's whole thing could have been put down if someone had just got her a pet Ysalamiri?


 No.766391

>>766252

Oozaru is pretty situational. It relies on a moon or simulated moon with the Power Ball to activate. Then you've got the weakness of lopping off the tail to revert the Saiyan back. Also, I'm not sure it's best in battle royale type fights. From the few times we've seen it, it's best for mass city destruction when you've got a group or dominating one strong opponent or multiple fodder characters.


 No.766423

>>766391

Oozaru was only shown to be controllable by Vegeta and it makes them a huge target as well. It would be a terrible move unless Vegeta felt like destroying the arena to try and get rid of Jiren. That is Vegeta nukes the arena and Goku and Jiren fight to be the last to fall into the void.


 No.766435

>>765978

I can't unsee all of the straight shota porn of Kid Icarus.


 No.766436

>>766351

Not the same thing.


 No.766437

>>766391

>Then you've got the weakness of lopping off the tail to revert the Saiyan back

Keep the U6 Saiyans tailless, but still have the Oozaru form.

Lulz to be had.


 No.766443

>>766423

It also increases his strength by fucking ten-fold. Considering the diminishing returns of every new transformation (aka power levels are bullshit), that's a pretty significant increase.


 No.766469

>>766437

I doubt the U6 saiyans can even transform. Since they never got genocided and they were never used as soilders to wipe out planets, having an entire civilization of people who could transform would be really bad. Having said that, I wonder how many of them can actually go ssj? I doubt more than a tine % of them are actually strong enough to do it, so I’m going to assume most of them would be lazy to some degree. We’ll just have to wait until we get to visit Planet Salad.


 No.766474

>>766469

Im just saying it would have been a badass reveal.

Like, say during the mini tournament there was a stipulation of natural forms only, no SuperSaiyan. Then Frost doesn't want to have a loss, yells at Cabba, reveals a Powerball in his hand(lets say the knowledge of the transformation is kept state secret and the U6 Saiyans dont have a big enough moon on their world anymore). Then bam, Base Vegeta vs an Oozaru Cabba...that has no tail.

But yeah, if they ever could transform, they probably can't anymore.


 No.766497

>>766469

>The gang visit Planet Salad

>They teach the King Super Saiyan

>The King teaches it to his generals who teach it to their troops etc until it spreads more generally across the planet

>Entire planet of people who can transform into SSJ

>Autistic screeching on /a/ reaches a fever pitch until it crashes the board with no survivors

Yes please


 No.766513

>>766497

>Planet Super Saiyan


 No.766515

File: bb981e835b704be⋯.jpg (90.19 KB, 1400x700, 2:1, 957813245798132455.jpg)

File: 5cc4277dc2e22f1⋯.png (837.92 KB, 1024x773, 1024:773, 978149857132498571324.png)

>>766513

inb4 Planet Sadala itself becomes sentient and turns Super Saiyan


 No.766518

>>766497

>U6 thrown into utter chaos as Saiyans unleash their battle lust across it and continue to grow stronger and stronger

>Someone (Goten and Trunks) teaches them the fusion dance

>SSG ritual gets taught

>SSB quickly unlocked

>Desire for more power results in the U6 Saiyans forming warbands and raiding the realm of Kais for potara earrings

>U6 Saiyans continue to grow in strength, spilling over into other universes and spreading the carnage

>Goku cracks his knuckles and talks about how exciting it all is


 No.766550

File: edad62d1e2636f6⋯.png (403.75 KB, 539x600, 539:600, 83063bde3fba86727c615f0240….png)

>>766518

>>Goku cracks his knuckles and talks about how exciting it all is

Do you think if Goku was around in WW2 he would have done this for the Nazis beating, rounding up, and gassing Jews in concentration camps as long as he got to punch a tank? I mean, he had no qualms with dealing the final blows leading to two full universes full of people being deader than dead.


 No.766561

File: 2701d59900a5225⋯.png (183.08 KB, 482x422, 241:211, genetical.png)

>>766550

I'm not sure Goku would really be able to understand the need to exterminate traitors. He might assume that the next time the Jews try to subvert a nation, they can be fought and defeated.


 No.766873

>>766550

>>766561

You seem to forget that Goku fought the Red Ribbon Army as a kid.

Anime DBS Goku is not consistent with his character as a whole. The whole "Toriyama never viewed him as a hero" bullshit is just an excuse. Being selfish and being an omnicidial maniac is a big leap.


 No.766890

>>766873

Take some time and go read the chapter inserts and shounen jump interviews from the mid 80s. Toriyama was saying that Goku is selfish and only goes after bad guys beucase bad guys are usually strong dudes and Goku only really cares about fighting strong dudes.

And this going over the deep end thing is actually a character arc. A not well handled one, but it is an obvious arc dealing with the curse of absolute power.


 No.766912

>>766873

Goku didn't take on the Red Ribbon Army because of some belief that they were morally corrupt or out of some desire to make the world a better place. He did it because they hurt people he cared about. Even in relationships, Goku is selfishly minded.


 No.766921

>>766912

Goten and Trunks didn’t seem to care when they were blowing up zombie Hitler either. The only thing saiyans care about is more fighting.

>Krilin gets sent to a concentration camp

>Goku needs to fight the Reich’s finest to get him back

Send the check anytime.


 No.766924

"Another Victim from Universe 7! Universe 4 Gets Serious !!" - Shonen Jump Magazine

>tfw Vegeta awakens Katopesla's Ultra Instinct and gets knocked out

>Then Universe 3 takes down Universe 11


 No.766925

Vegeta only obtains new levels of power during time skips, never on screen. He's getting knocked out.


 No.766935

>>766925

I'd wager Gohan gets knocked off before Vegeta does. Given the sorting algorithm, Piccolo should be first, though. Maybe it'll even be both of them.


 No.766937

>>766890

>Toriyama was saying that Goku is selfish and only goes after bad guys beucase bad guys are usually strong dudes and Goku only really cares about fighting strong dudes.

No, he would have joined Raditz if that was the case. Also, he wouldn't let Piccolo kill him and Raditz.

>And this going over the deep end thing is actually a character arc.

No again, he took issue with Frieza killing those other Universe spies and the manga explicitly made it a point not make Goku directly responsible.

>A not well handled one, but it is an obvious arc dealing with the curse of absolute power.

<implying that there are going to be negative consequences to his actions.

You'll believe any bullshit justification given to excuse Toei's garbage.

>>766912

>Goku didn't take on the Red Ribbon Army because of some belief that they were morally corrupt or out of some desire to make the world a better place. He did it because they hurt people he cared about. Even in relationships, Goku is selfishly minded.

>He did it because they hurt people he cared about.

>Goku is selfishly minded.

<helping people = selfish

Also, he helped people that were basically strangers. Prior to Dragon Ball, the only deep relationship that he had with his adopted grandfather.


 No.766938

>>766937

All I'm saying is that Goku won't give a shit about much of anything unless it directly affects him. It's a selfish kind of relationship because he doesn't care if his actions hurt people, he just won't let anyone ELSE do it. He certainly won't go out of his way to be a hero.


 No.766943

>>766938

If this is about letting Vegeta go, Goku never killed anyone who was defenseless or begging for his life and he wasn't going to start then. Do you even know what selfish means? Seriously, what is with this weird take on morality in order to justify DBS? Dragon Ball wasn't never big on moral ambiguity and the original Dragon Ball had a big element of purity and innocence.


 No.766945

>>766943

Not the anon you're replying to but:

No, it's just going off what Toriyama has said. He fights to protect his friends, but he also fights for the sake of fighting and wants to fight the strongest people around. If Goku was around in WW2 he'd want to fight the strongest guys there. Though which side he'd be fighting on would really be down to whoever he befriends and if they manage to convince him that the other dudes are gonna hurt things he cares about/take away his gramp's stuff.


 No.766947

>>766945 Same anon, replying to myself

It'd be interesting to see an alternative timeline where Goku was raised by King Piccolo or someone equally malevolent. He never really espouses morals beyond, "Don't fuck with my friends/belongings." So how much would things change, I wonder.


 No.766948

File: b0a54e14e5b8a5b⋯.jpg (258.19 KB, 600x848, 75:106, 0605.jpg)

>>766947

Dragonball Multiverse (the only good DB fanfic) had an alternate universe where Goku never got a head injury as a kid and therefore grew up evil.


 No.766952

>>766945

My points are:

1) Goku being "selfish" doesn't excuse his behavior in the DBS anime.

2) His "selfishness" doesn't supersede his morals; he is simply shortsighted in a lot of times.

3) The argument that he only cares about his friends falls flat when he easily makes friends with strangers and helps them out.

The whole "Toriyama never viewed Goku as a hero" thing is just something parroted around to excuse DBS. I'm not saying that Toriyama didn't say that but it is a poor argument. The same thing with "what about Trunks and Goten" shit. DBZ had its flaws but DBS is magnitudes greater in flaws with little to no redeeming aspect.


 No.767052

>>766948

>good

the writing is fucking atrocious, even for retard fans


 No.767071

>>766890

What Toriyama says about his characters and how his characters actually behave are two entirely different things. It to the point that Toriyama is easily the least reliable "Word of God" creator I've ever seen. What he says has about as much relationship to the reality of his stories as the average schizo.

Toriyama is pure bullshit. Maybe he wanted to write them that way, but he didn't. He just fucking didn't.

Goku loves his friends, but is handicapped and incapable of parts of empathy, especially understanding his son.

Vegeta has slowly become acclimatised to being a family man, and he loves his family dearly. He is evil, and has done many evil things, but Vegeta most definitely had good in him. He is no monster, he is a warrior, through and through.

tldr

Toriyama doesn't knw his own shit, just igonore him.


 No.767072

>>766948

It also has him growing up at all, and Raditz not showing up to find him long dead and likely killing everyone on the planet.

Master Roshi, Mercenary Tao, Tien Shin Han, General Blue. There were multiple adversaries that would have been the end of Goku had he been evil and not had the help of others.


 No.767094

>>766943

Why does this have anything to do with excusing DBS?? I don't understand why everyone thinks that Goku had a huge change of heart and suddenly turned into a bastard in DBS, when he had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UNIVERSES BEING DESTROYED. It would be like some guy bunked with Hitler while he was imprisoned and said to him one day, "Man, those JEWS, amirite?" and then you blame that random fuck for the holocaust instead of actual Hitler.

Goku is not a good person. He's selfish. That's just reality.


 No.767099

>>767072

If Goku were evil, he probably wouldn't have bothered fighting the Red Ribbon Army unless he saw them as rivals. He would definitely have died to Piccolo Daimaoh without Karin's help, though.


 No.767113

File: 21e7b5f12b01070⋯.jpg (31.58 KB, 540x304, 135:76, c97e5587cad1807f673c48e194….jpg)

>>767094

>Why does this have anything to do with excusing DBS??

Because you and a lot of DBS apologists justify Goku's portrayal in DBS by saying that it was in character when it really wasn't. Then it takes a weird turn where people like you said that Goku was selfish for defeating the RR army because he did it to help people instead of any ideological reason. You do know that the main goal of the RR army was to make Commander Red taller first then take over the world, right? Maybe ideology isn't the only indication of selfishness?

Have you considered that maybe DBS is just really badly written? There is a stark contrast to how it was handled in the anime vs the manga. One significant part is not making Goku seem like fucking psychopath. The framing of events in the anime does paint Goku as responsible for the universes being destroyed. The excuse of how Zeno was already planning to destroy the universes wasn't presented in a way that wasn't just a lie considering contradicts the Zamasu arc. The anime is probably saving the discussion on what to wish for as a "plot twist" where the U7 team wishes for all the universes back. You know that this is the same team of writers that played off Goku Black's identity as a big mystery?


 No.767114

>>767113

>does paint Goku as responsible for the universes being destroyed

No it doesn't.

>The excuse of how Zeno was already planning to destroy the universes wasn't presented in a way that wasn't just a lie considering contradicts the Zamasu arc.

Go be autistic somewhere else.


 No.767115

>>767113

The writing in DBS is shit. I'm not an "apologist"; and you're only making yourself sound like a whiny bitch "how dare you don't agree with me!!" by saying it. And why the fuck does the motivation of the RR Army have anything to do with Goku? What the FUCK are you doing, you dumb motherfucker?? Trying to make this a "good vs. evil" argument, where because the RR Army are "evil" it means that Goku opposing them automatically makes him the perfect flawless hero who can do no wrong?

You are a child. You have a child's way of thinking about the world, in stark black-and-white, good-versus-evil. You are incapable of having any argument that isn't founded upon the belief that everyone who doesn't agree with you on one point must disagree with you on everything. Just because you interpret the way the anime did things wrong, doesn't make you right.

You also reveal your own biases by sucking the cock of the manga. It's not still a piece of shit just because it fixes some of the stuff people complained about in the anime. They only have the advantage of using the anime as an advanced screening, and then changing whatever people balk at. But even if you polish a turd, it's still a turd.

The manga is garbage, the anime is garbage, but Goku is still Goku. He's still doing shit the same way he always did; just because there are now universes at stake doesn't mean he's any different. Did you forget this is the guy who gave a senzu to Cell to ensure things were "fair" before he fought Gohan, with the fate of the planet at stake? I could give a dozen other examples, but why bother. You're proven wrong just by one.


 No.767119

File: 60e8ba26d057431⋯.png (78.78 KB, 1061x771, 1061:771, sQDfFb3.png)

>>767114

>having a longer memory than Toriyama is autism

wew

>No it doesn't.

It does.

>>767115

>I'm not an "apologist"

t.Apologist

>The manga is garbage, the anime is garbage, but Goku is still Goku.

Except when he isn't.

Stop being a defensive fag lashing out everyone that doesn't agree with you and make some coherent arguments.

>You are a child. You have a child's way of thinking about the world, in stark black-and-white, good-versus-evil. You are incapable of having any argument that isn't founded upon the belief that everyone who doesn't agree with you on one point must disagree with you on everything. Just because you interpret the way the anime did things wrong, doesn't make you right.

pic related


 No.767124

>>767119

>It does.

Post the clip of where it does.

>having a longer memory than Toriyama is autism

Calling something a lie because it interferes with your headcanon is max autism.


 No.767131

>>767124

>Calling something a lie because it interferes with your headcanon is max autism.

<things that happen in the previous arc is headcanon when writers forgot it


 No.767132

>>767131

I guess that Saiyans having tails is headcanon.


 No.767139

>>767131

No one forgot about it, more information was provided on the subject. There's no lie because nothing was said on it previously and it doesn't retcon anything that happened.

You're just autistic and screeching about the introduction of new information.


 No.767141

>>767139

>There's no lie because nothing was said on it previously and it doesn't retcon anything that happened.

<Future Trunks' timeline wasn't destroyed until Goku called Zeno

<Gowasu and Zamasu traveled 1,000 years into the future

<They were always planning on destroying the universes.

The manga handled it correctly by having the Zeno make the conversation before Goku came. All I was saying is it is poorly written and that is the only assumption that you could make without the aforementioned scene.

Go ahead continue your "muh headcanon" "argument" to defend the series that introduced s-cells.


 No.767169

>>767119

>a defensive fag lashing out [at] everyone that doesn't agree with you

Except that's exactly what you're doing. You can't do a damn thing except post your le ebin meme images. Tell me again where Goku was a perfect paragon of goodness and selflessness, and never put the fate of others below whatever the fuck he wanted.

I get that you dislike DBS and want to play the victim-complex as if nobody else here does and you're the sole voice of reason. But that's just idiotic. Nobody here likes Super except for that one faggot who is obsessed with the U6 girls because he's a thirsty beta male. But that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING in DBS is wrong. It's perfectly consistent with how Goku has always been, except this time it's universes at stake instead of planets. You DO realize that "it's exactly the same except the stakes are higher" is basically how shounen WORKS, right?


 No.767172

File: 5911de157c0523b⋯.jpg (95.28 KB, 418x640, 209:320, spine-tingling-tales.jpg)

>>767169

You would get an actual argument for a response if you aren't such a illiterate butthurt faggot.

Saying that you hate DBS isn't going to make your shitty argument any stronger and it is still apologetics for DBS.


 No.767173

Now do you Star Wars fuckers see what happens when you bring that shit in here?

Just kidding, it's pretty funny that a joke about Nazi Germany brought on this shit.

I like reading two people declare their hatred for the series yet continue to watch.


 No.767174

>>767173

>I like reading two people declare their hatred for the series yet continue to watch.

I stop watching at the Tournament of Power.


 No.767298

>>767099

Timewise, he definitely makes it past Pilaf, but after that, with the Red Ribbon Army fucking everybody's shit up, they are likely to bump into him and his 4 star Dragonball.

Depending on what kind of evil and how evil, I personally dislike Saiyan hypno babies, he might just "keep" Bulma....or kill her. Either way, with Goku starting out with posession of a Dragonball, he is going to be targeted.

And without someone providing him with medical care when he gets fucked up too badly? He dies. I mean yeah, Zenkai is crazy broken, but it distinctly relies on a SEVERE assbeating, and then surviving such. Which provides all the adequate explaination needed for why it doesn't happen more often. Most defeats that severe just result in death.

And I can definitely see Roshi learning of Goku by hearing about villages and cities dissappearing, and gathering some strong warriors and putting him down when it comes down to it.

What I can't ever see is a an Evil, murderously, maybe genocidally Evil, Goku surviving long enough to meet Raditz.

I can see Raditz taking over Earth for fun though.


 No.767755

It's about time that Rat got erased. His laughter got old real quick.


 No.767759

>>767755

Piccolo went down like a bitch. He was really useless this episode.


 No.767766

File: 843caceb6175259⋯.jpg (282.62 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, [AnimeRG] Dragon Ball Supe….jpg)

>>767759

Aren't Nemakians meant to have great hearing?


 No.767776

>>767766

Yeah, extremely good healing.


 No.767780

>>767776

You mean heeling? Not in a long time. They're jobber now.


 No.767785

File: 47be533698d89a7⋯.jpg (57.88 KB, 883x502, 883:502, 1512881410123.jpg)

>3 characters with unique an interesting techniques all gone within 20 minutes, all defeated more easily than adam west solving riddler puzzles

>GoD acts like he's about to pull out some trick but just gets erased

Also why the fuck did everyone continue trying to attack universe 7 when it hasn't worked the last 4 times? Ugh.


 No.767788

File: 1ebd38ed6930d66⋯.jpg (293.02 KB, 850x1220, 85:122, 613eb8ef6b3719e3720382b241….jpg)

>>767785

>Universe 4 had a warrior that was literally undetectable by energy and invisible

>Didn't just hide throughout the entire tournament and then lead them to win by default

RIP Universe 4. They might have had a chance if they were important enough to have writing that makes sense.


 No.767791

>>767788

>Universe 4 had a warrior that was literally undetectable by energy and invisible

>>Didn't just hide throughout the entire tournament and then lead them to win by default

>RIP Universe 4. They might have had a chance if they were important enough to have writing that makes sense.


 No.767808

>>767791

>>767766

>Piccolo and Tien both have ways of detecting the invisible and tiny dude

>Neither of them were of any use this episode

The budget really dropped off too. Apparently there's spoilers out, but I haven't encountered them yet.


 No.767813

>>767776

>>767780

what do you mean? we still need the namek to get his arm cut off so everyone can act surprised


 No.767829

Remember when the Final Flash was like 1000 miles wide and very nearly killed Perfect Cell? Toriyama doesn't fucking remember. Anyway, 17 continues to be the dark-horse badass of this tournament, and if the preview is any indication, Gohan is dropping out next.

>>767791

It really is a shitshow, because you know damn well that even though all the other universes will be revived, literally nobody except the Mary Sue Saiyans and maybe Jiren will return in any new arcs. They're going all this way inventing dozens of interesting characters with interesting powers, and we're fucking never going to see them again.


 No.767840

>>767829

Final Flash is overused so often in Super. It shouldn't be a beam struggling attack, it's a total obliteration planet buster.


 No.767843

>>767808

>>Piccolo and Tien both have ways of detecting the invisible and tiny dude

Except Piccolo could only do it by sound since he was masking his power, so if he just hid and remained hidden, nothing short of a complete sweep would have affected him.

It's a major plot hole, especially since we don't have proof that Universe 4 couldn't have brought more than one fighter like that onto the team. Hell, strategically, having 10 of them would have put them at the most optimal "build" in the tournament.

>The budget really dropped off too. Apparently there's spoilers out, but I haven't encountered them yet.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I thought my stream was buffering with the awkwardly drug out pauses right when Piccolo is pushed to the edge.

>>767829

>if the preview is any indication, Gohan is dropping out next.

Yep. Every member of U7 needs to have an episode where they shine. They did Piccolo's last week, and 18 the week before. That just leaves Vegeta if it's Gohan's turn.


 No.767844

>>767785

>GoD acts like he's about to pull out some trick but just gets erased

I honestly expected him to attack the Zenos or El Grande Padre


 No.767967

File: 4d9f83b32d59031⋯.jpg (151.64 KB, 500x835, 100:167, Future-Trunks-trunks-24615….jpg)

>>767829

>It really is a shitshow, because you know damn well that even though all the other universes will be revived

At least for some of the universes besides 6, it's up in the air if they'll actually come back.

The biggest shitshow is that we know Universe 7 cannot be erased for more than just plot armor.

You know what the biggest strength of Super is plot-wise? It has one of the best physics of time travel out there in fiction. You know what the biggest weakness of Super is plot-wise? It forgot that it has one of the best physics of time travel out there in fiction.

You see this motherfucker? He has a name, but for all of what he implies, he might as well be called Earth's life insurance policy hand-written and signed, since we know that out of necessity the Earth needs to survive long enough for this kid to grow up, find blue hair dye, and use a time machine.

The Majin arc could be handwaved by saying that the situation where the Supreme Kai was retarded and let the energy to revive Buu be gathered would not have been set up, or that Freiza's minions were killed by the Androids before he could have been revived, or anything else. There's no excuse for the universal erase button not being pressed before Future Trunks went back in time.

For as bad as GT was, it at least did something right by timeskipping, since as long as Trunks is a kid the Earth will never be destroyed by necessity of the plot unless the group becomes directly responsible for whatever catastrophe we're supposed to worry about for the next 7 or so months.


 No.767970

>>767967

I've been thinking about the adult Trunks timeline lately. Doesn't its existence prove that the tournament of power only exists because of Goku and Zeno would've never erased any universes if Goku didn't remind him?

Because there is no way a universe 7 without the major Z-fighters could win.

Or it proves that whoever wins the tournament wishes back the other universes.


 No.767972

>>767970

>Doesn't its existence prove that the tournament of power only exists because of Goku and Zeno would've never erased any universes if Goku didn't remind him?

Yep. That's been bothering me since the mention of the tournament is literally the only way to justify the threat of the Tournament of Power existing in the plot at this point in the timeline and the reasoning why I included that last bit at the end of my post.


 No.767977

>>767972

The manga does fix this.

Would Super's quality increase if it was released in seasons, like normal anime? If the team had more time figuring out what the fucking fuck was going on and didn't suck Toriyama's dick so much it would've been better?

>>767788

That irks me. Holy fuck, they could've had 10 fighters with that and all just stood somewhere where they'd never fucking get found out. Even Universe 11 would've had no fucking clue. Universe 4 would've just had to shut up and act like they're not there and literally everyone else would've ignored them and they would've won the tournament by default.


 No.767998

>>767970

>>767972

>>767977

It's the double Zeno situation that causes the Universal destruction plan. So it's still technically Goku's fault because he was the one who brought Zeno back.


 No.768012

>>767766

Jesus fuck, I remember how he could eavesdrop on Goku from like a hundred meters away, but he can't hear it?


 No.768022

>>767844

El Grande Padre would use Perfected Ultra Instinct to dodge that shit.


 No.768025

File: 6296fbc01e75cee⋯.png (578.8 KB, 800x450, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

Will it be his time to shine against Universe 3? Will he be able to defeat Jiren and El Hermano


 No.768026

>>767967

>we know that out of necessity the Earth needs to survive long enough for this kid to grow up, find blue hair dye, and use a time machine

Unless DBS retconned how things go as laid down in Z, then it doesn't work that way. Every use of the time machine to a different "point" in the past was just to a different part of the U6 multiverse. That's how you got multiple androids, multiple Cells, multiple Trunks', multiple time machines, and now even multiple Zenos. The Cell that became Perfect stole the time machine by killing a version of Trunks before the time period of DBS, and that didn't affect what happened to Trunks in any of the other timelines.

Nothing that happens in any timeline affects what happens in any other; the only thing that does is people traveling back and forth between them. The weird thing about the timelines in Dragonball is that they ALL move forward in time at the same rate. This is why when the cast goes farting around in the main timeline for a few weeks, it causes an equal amount of time to pass for Zamasu and Black to conquer shit and build a pretty cabin in the woods.

This means that even if the main timeline of U6 is erased now, and kid Trunks killed, it won't affect what happened in the Future timeline, because it ALREADY HAPPENED there.


 No.768030

File: 20f7621e4e3a0da⋯.png (1.06 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

He's going to get eliminated in his fight against Jiren isn't he?

Why do they always screw Vegeta over?


 No.768037

File: 709ffb2bf864081⋯.png (57.48 KB, 326x169, 326:169, 907ffa16d9d131f66fb3f47325….png)

>>768026

>because it ALREADY HAPPENED there.

Yes, nigger, that's my point. Unless the group actually causes a catastrophe, then whatever happens in the series will resolve without the Earth being destroyed. Buu didn't destroy the Earth. Beerus didn't destroy the Earth. Freiza didn't destroy the Earth. Unless they have something fuck up again, then there's no reason to believe what follows will destroy the Earth. Why are you trying to start an argument over that?


 No.768039

>>767840

Yeah, like what the hell is 'Garlic Cannon'?


 No.768040

>>767977

>The manga does fix this.

The manga is way better but it is still pretty bad. I was disappointed that they didn't ended the Zamasu arc differently in the manga.

>Would Super's quality increase if it was released in seasons, like normal anime? If the team had more time figuring out what the fucking fuck was going on and didn't suck Toriyama's dick so much it would've been better?

I don't think that it would increase significantly. The BotG arc was pretty bad and they thought that it was a good idea to set the precedent that Goku in SSJG was so strong that the shockwaves of three punches colliding was enough to destroy the universe and the shockwave becomes stronger the further it travels thus already destroying a couple of planets near the edge (this was actually shown in the anime). Several problems with that:

1) Why put that there with the knowledge of the RoF arc coming up? Or at all for that matter? The movie wasn't working on the idea that there is going to be RoF, SSJB, or even a canon and it wasn't that gutsy.

2) It makes Beerus look like the worst. He was one punch away from destroying the universe but it was Goku that match the strength and angle.

3) This isn't a throw away line. Goku remembers that Beerus and Champa fighting would destroy the universe in the Yamcha episode. It is also used as the justification for the Tournament of Power to take place in the Void, where no life exists.

I honestly hate how the multiverse is handled. U6 is never going to be expanded and less so are 10 other universes. Having a multiversal timeline makes the multiverse feel really stupid. I would have limited the number of Zenos to one for all timelines and say that multiverse are timelines that are so codependent (because of time fuckery) that need a shared timeline.


 No.768041

>>767967

Trunks is Schrodinger's cat only gayer


 No.768056

File: 4bafdf86b71645d⋯.gif (759.77 KB, 720x400, 9:5, giphy.gif)

>>768041

No, you are thinking of Schrödinger.


 No.768097

>>768037

Even Goku was smart enough to call out in the end of the Cell saga that most of the bad shit that happens is attracted to him like moths to a flame; Buu was actually the anomaly here. So something could happen to destroy Earth or whatever else just by Goku not being dead, while he is dead in the future timeline. There's also enough butterfly-effect piling up at this point where you can't even be sure things are going to happen the same way in both timelines (as shown by how much longer it took Buu to be revived in the future timeline), or if it will happen at all. Future Trunks' existence doesn't provide any inside-the-fourth-wall plot armor for the main timeline, because everything is different now. Just having two Zenos in the main timeline is changing shit, as the other anon pointed out.

There is no way U7 is going to get erased, because that would end the series; but Future Trunks has nothing to do with it.

>>768041

>only gayer

Ah yes, I forgot that Mai is a boy and just hides it very well.


 No.768098

>>768097

Actually no, not the anomaly. If Goku had been forced to stay in the Dead World, then it would have just been Gohan with Vegeta. Vegeta would not have been thinking about his rivalry with Goku while the two of them were making their way down to Babidi, and so would not have been so strongly considering letting Babidi's powers take hold in him.

And considering that by that time, Vegeta was probably more powerful than Gohan, then if Dabura had managed to pull a win, then Vegeta could have handled it.

So Buu being awakened is less likely.


 No.768101

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>768097

>>768041

He is princess Trunks after all

At 4:18


 No.768122

>>768097

He fuck the Saiyan race back into existence and he'd still be just as gay. There's no cure for faggotry.


 No.768160

>>768122

Blue hair Trunks < Purple hair Trunks


 No.768494

>>768030

>Why do they always screw Vegeta over?

Because his name isn't Goku.


 No.768499

>>768494

They need to stop dirty my boy Vegeta dirty like this.


 No.768518

>>768160

Trunks raised by single mother < Trunks raised by proud Saiyan warrior


 No.768521

>>768098

Vegeta would have told Gohan to go sit in the corner, and then soloed all of Babidi's minions, getting no energy for Buu at all. Then he'd kill Babidi and that would likely be end of that.

>>768122

I don't get what's your major malfunction. Future Trunks is a complete badass; it's the kid version of him that's a literal faggot.


 No.768525

>>768518

One of the only successful single mother situations. Guess he had Gohan for a little bit to help out.


 No.768919

>>768097

>Buu was actually the anomaly here

Except he was brought about by two aliens who could have just used another vessel for energy.

>There's also enough butterfly-effect piling up at this point where you can't even be sure things are going to happen the same way in both timelines

Except that's bullshit, since the butterfly effect requires direct causation. The only thing that changed was the tournament between universe 6 and 7, but the Zeno that never saw the tournament still went along with the idea of erasing some of the planets.

>Future Trunks' existence doesn't provide any inside-the-fourth-wall plot armor for the main timeline

>bad shit that happens is attracted to him like moths to a flame

Pick one.


 No.768922

>>768525

Gohan taught him to become a man. That's why Future Trunks isn't as fucked as a character despite single mom.


 No.768942

>>768919

>who could have just used another vessel for energy

Considering that U7 seems completely empty of people who can use ki except for those on Earth... no, no he couldn't have.


 No.769069

File: 6e3b43d93e79eb2⋯.jpg (395.63 KB, 816x1200, 17:25, DQ7EdHgVwAAYPj8.jpg)

LOOK AT THIS FUCKING CUTIE


 No.769110

>>769069

>And Trunks is back to having purple hair

Fuckers just can't make up their minds...


 No.769112

>>769069

There's a DBZ gatcha game now?


 No.769118

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>>769112

It's been out for 3 years.


 No.769120

>>767967

>The biggest shitshow is that we know Universe 7 cannot [...] armor.

There's one way the plot armor can fail: U7 is erased, but the winner wishes everyone from U7/the erased universes to their universe. Now U7 is in a strange new world with new threats and a bunch of people who hate them.


 No.769146

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>>769120

Implying Toriyama would ever do something interesting like this ever again


 No.769151

>There are people that haven't realised the clown isn't the real god of destruction, Jiren is.


 No.769169

>>769069

>>769112

>>769118

Too bad it's practically nothing but loading screens. I can't understand how it got popular when it takes so long to do anything.

>>769120

>>769146

The one who gets the Super Dragon Balls is the one deemed the best fighter, so it could end up with Goku and Co winning but not getting the wish.

>>769151

I've liked the idea that Jiren is a survivor from a previously erased universe and is fighting to try and bring it back.


 No.769226

>>769151

Lols, just blatant fucking cheating huh?


 No.769228

>>769226

>"its neat, so i'll allow it"


 No.769232

>>769151

You are crazy, Jiren may look like a sentai warrior but he is a Superman expy, hell never kill anyone much less destroy planets in his universe.

You think just because you have this perverse desire of taking a life everyone is like you? IT WAS AN ACCIDENT I didn't push my sister from the stairs mom!


 No.769253

>>769151

Considering the only thing that a GoD can do that nobody else can is the hakai thing (which they obviously can't do in the tournament because killing someone results in losing) I'm not seeing why this would make a difference. Whether they are GoD or not, UI Goku and Jiren are at that level of power.


 No.769279

>>768922

>This

Future Gohan was the best parent any Trunks ever had. He taught how to be a man, and GT Trunks was a huge faggot. I feel that Super Trunks may end up similar to GT Trunks given how comfy his life is, but who knows where they'll go with it?

>>769120

I'm loving how Jiren is being portrayed in the Super Manga. I wouldn't mind if he ends up winning the tournament, at least in the manga, and wishes everyone back. It'll give Goku a reason to keep training and mastering UI.

>>769169

>I've liked the idea that Jiren is a survivor from a previously erased universe and is fighting to try and bring it back.

That does sound very interesting. I really hope anime Jiren gets a lot more exposition.


 No.769370

>>769279

I feel completely confident that they're never going to do another time-skip in Super, and so the kids will never grow up to even get a chance to be useful.


 No.769615

>>769370

>and so the kids will never grow up to even get a chance to be useful.

Gohan is barely useful. I don't think Goten was ever useful in GT, so I doubt either he or Trunks would be any different in Super.


 No.769645

>>769615

Goten might have been, but they decided to just write him out of the entire plot for the first half of the series, for literally no reason at all. Then they crammed Pan in there, only to have her do absolutely nothing of consequence, either.


 No.769775

I want to kiss Whis on the lips


 No.769782

>>769775

That's gay.


 No.769892

so just to make sure everyone is aware that since universe 10 is now gone, the trunks/Black goku arc is now pointless


 No.769957

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>>769069

Dat FOREHEAD


 No.769977

>>769957

>more DBS faggotism

>Mr.Penishead for more fanwanking

>Goku Black's emo Pink Scythe

It is just going to be the stuff from the movies they say. We aren't going to get DBS fanboy pandering they say.

We are probably not going to get manga version of Zamasu (with his Katchin block spam). If they didn't released more DBZ characters earlier (like Nappa, Ginyu, and Android 16), then I would have worried that the roster would just be the usual assholes plus the newfags from DBS.


 No.770003

>>769977

I really hope the manga incarnations get acknowledged. Pissed off and SWOLE Merged Zamasu looked like a cool fighter.


 No.770004

>>770003

I will say. I'm really digging that Zamasu and Goku Black are a team instead of separate characters.


 No.770008

>>770004

Zamasu's whole thing being immoral. One of the moves show in the trailer is Zamasu holding a character still while Goku Black blasts them.

Can we discuss how DBO seems more like a passion project for Toriyama compared to DBS? Seriously five years of assets. DBS is at the point where excuse plots of videogames are more interesting than it.


 No.770028

>>770008

Good eye, I didn't catch that the first time. Gotta wonder what the defeat pose is for those two. I really hope they use the smug hug for the intro/victory animation.

Also curious to know what that theme being sung is and by who. I was expecting something more GG/BB for the intro theme if that's what this is meant to be.

DBO definitely had a lot more thought and care put into it. To be fair though, DBS the manga does too. It just gets overshadowed by the anime and still hits a few shit notes e.g. The Zamasu arc ending still sucking.

DBO also gets pretty damn wonky with stuff like Cell X showing up.

How involved is Tori in DB Heroes? Because the plot for that (besides the OC inserts) is batshit crazy and celebrates everything Dragon Ball has ever produced.


 No.770038

>>770028

The DBS manga is still doom to suck even if it is a lot better than the anime. SSJB Vegito wasn't going to happen but they did it anyway to "meet fan expectations".

I think that the U6 arc was the worst arc because of what it did to the series. I used to think that it was RoF but thinking about what arc needed to be removed to fix DBS made realized that it was the U6 arc. What Plagues of Gripes said is correct if you accept that the U6 arc needed to happen (he is wrong). DBS is definitely bad for reasons other than being a sequel to DBZ. Why the U6 is the worst:

1) It is a Tournament arc. Tournament arcs stop being interesting once Goku won the World Martial Arts Tournament.

2) It establishes what other universes are but they are basically no different from galaxy clusters minus having uninteresting alternate Saiyans and Freiza.

3) It waste the Super Dragon Balls as a plot device.

4) Uninteresting characters.

5) It introduces U6 Saiyans.

6) It is a setup for another fucking Tournament Arc.

This is why I'm so critical on Mr.Penishead. He is not worth all this cancer. The series is a point of no return after that.


 No.770044

>>770008

Toriyama's involvement with DBS is character design. Stop pretending like he's writing at all.


 No.770175

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>>770028

>Also curious to know what that theme being sung is and by who

We Were Angels by Kageyama Hironobu

See embeded


 No.770253

Next episode should be pretty interesting


 No.770271

>>770253

New form gives me Hatchiyack vibes. I really didn't want 17 to go down, but it looks like this might be his episode.


 No.770292

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>>770253

Yeah, this week's episode wasn't that bad either. Somewhat believable timeframe, barely noticed the padding, and no huge glaring plot holes that gave me an aneurism. Just disappointed that Gohan really didn't do much, but hey, at least he did something.


 No.770301

>>770008

>*Zamasu's whole thing being immortal.

>>770044

It been two fucking decades since DBZ. Do you think that Toriyama's memory lasts that long? He just made a barebones plot for DBSimpsons and expected people to remind him of stuff like how there used to be 5 Supreme Kais in Universe 7.


 No.770304

>>769069

>>769957

>Dat FOREHEAD

Dear God everyone in that post is almost going full Code Lyoko


 No.770322

Man, this is some serious bullshit. Magetta got a pass in the last tournament because his species is a "metal man"; his lava is some kind of biological ability. But these U3 guys are straight up fucking robots with rocket engines and combat scanners. That doesn't even include Dr. Pepperoni's magic staff obviously being an "item" which should be banned. They're not even trying to abide by the rules anymore.

Speaking of, though, I find it interesting that the whole "if you kill someone you're disqualified" rule hasn't been invoked yet. It wouldn't surprise me if it ended up used to take out Jiren. All someone has to do is goad him into attacking full-force, then drop their defense, and BANG, they're dead meat, and Jiren is out. I could totally see Goku pulling some shit like that, and Vegeta or Gohan thus ending up the last one standing.

Next episode looks good. It'll be great to see Frieza fight again.


 No.770329

>>770322

Guess the robots must have enough sentience? Or they're alive but heavily augmented? It is some bullshit. Especially that they lasted this long when there were way more interesting fighters on team Robot. Their whole survival plan, using grappling hooks etc. never came up, it's pretty disappointing.


 No.770340

>>770329

Their entire "survival plan" was to sit around while everyone else attacks U7 and gets their ass kicked. They fucked up by, big surprise, attacking U7 and getting their ass kicked.


 No.770365

>>770340

They really should've all stuck over the edge and waited it out


 No.770374

They are releasing a movie about Yamoshi, the Legendary Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God, on 2018. I would love to see Goku fight the first Dragonborn Super Saiyan or watch a story about how Yamoshi can only find five non-assholes to holdhands around him.

>>770322

>It'll be great to see Frieza fight again.

It would be better if he stay fucking dead and never comes back.


 No.770398

>>770322

Freeza is planning to kill Goku and make it look like Jiren did it.


 No.770400

The entire ToP is a mess, they really shouldn't have done a battle royale if it's just going to be everyone takes turns attacking U7.

U11 is also just watching and doing nothing while U3 fights U7.


 No.770407

>>765501

Honestly it bums me out. Even in Dragonball Z everyone was musclebound peak fitness gods, now we have twig saiyans.


 No.770413

The DBS did a lot of things right:

1) Goku shows regret (even if he isn't directly at fault) and wanted to call off the tournament.

2) More foreshadowing.

3) Better character interactions.

4) Interesting hints of the personalities of the GoD and the Supreme Kais.

5) Jiren isn't just a strong silent type.

>>769151

While being Supreme Kai grants people some special abilities, being GoD hasn't show to give any exclusive benefits. I don't think that god status necessarily gives god ki.


 No.770415

Boring episode. Never felt Universe 7 was in danger for even a second. They could have at least ring-out'ed Gohan or one of the Androids.


 No.770422

>>765463

>>765465

Random thought if Vegeta and Lori were anime couple, they'd look rather cute for some reason, I don't know why, forehead?




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