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In today's episode: we learn about parenting.


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& here I thought they would wrap this up in one episode. Is reddit calling it literal rape yet?


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does this show seem too dark for anyone else? There's so many close up shots with absolutely black backgrounds.


Is it just me or is there a lot less focus on the main character in this part than the previous ones?


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No it's just you Bruno has a good amount of focus in this part.


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Daily reminder that it's okay to lewd the JoJos and to want to waifu their genderbent and normal versions, to cuddle with love and impregnate.



It's not just you. Others have said that Bruno is the real main character of part 5 and rightfully so. Giorno is a shit character if you ask me. He's just kind of bland and autistic, with no real personality or motivation.



Trying to make a blend of JoJo and Dio, giving him such an obviously unbeatable power from the start you're forced to nerf him to shit by the end of the first arc and still having him be the most powerful JoJo by far will do that to you. So will choosing that JoJo+Dio means an emotionally detached twat who's so much cooler headed than anyone else he's obviously a better strategist even though he's a nobody in the business. It's not his fault, really, it's Araki's for starting part 5 so fucking awfully even his best attempt at backpedaling ends up with the literal power of "nuh huh, I win". Giorno is just a cheap motherfucker through and through, and though Araki tries his best to give him growth (most notably in the infamous 5-page oraora), he just started from such a impossibly shitty place the only way to make Vento Aureo even remotely palatable was to make Bruno the protagonist in every conceivable way.


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>He's just kind of bland and autistic, with no real personality or motivation.

Just like me, then.


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Same here.


Why do Trish clothes look sluttier every episode?



I think it's kind of like Part 3 again, where there isn't too much focus on the main Jojo, and the whole crew is the main focus.


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Ive had a thought about all the names being changed. I feel like its ether everyone has a limited idea what "copyright" means or I underestimate the music industry.

I've always been under the impression you can name drop real life things in stories. I've read so many books that have named real life bands or products. It's so common place that I don't understand how it effects jojo this way. Naming something is not the same as them reading off the lyrics or singing the songs so why would it be changed at all. Like with Crazy Diamond. How is that changed but a tv show can have a character say "Shine on you crazy diamond." with no effect.

I refuse to watch the dubs but I find it funny to think of a dub only watcher not knowing any of the real names.

tl;dr Why do they change the names when you're allowed to name real life bands in TV shows and books



Mentioning a band as themselves is acknowledging them. Naming a fictional entity after a band is creating intellectual property and, as far as the law is concerned, implying you have a right to their name. Whether that's fair or unfair is a matter left up to the judge, but the point is that it's definitely reason enough to get a lawsuit going.

This can fly in the manga because in Japan, every gaijin trying to make a copyright claim would just be showed the door. But in publishing in the west, copyright holders would be able to challenge it in court. Doesn't mean they necessarily would do it, but it's not worth the hassle to find out. Hence, Worse Company.



Why does anime have fake name companies like Goodle and NotMcDonalds when portraying them as their real life counterparts? It's like they aren't allowed to acknowledge that those companies (after the real life versions, not an anime original intellectual property) exist in their anime.


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That's a good question, though not limited to anime. How many times have you seen "BEER" brand beer in a show or film? Or any inane not-google search engine? Same thing.

From what I know of copyright disputes, the main point of scrutiny in any competent court is whether the defendant is profiting off a brand name in such a way that they compete on the same field. So an anime episode mentioning taco bell could not reasonably be construed as piggybacking off the diarrhea factory to sell their own enchiladas, and such a case should by all rights be dismissed. Should, because nothing's ever certain in a trial and judges are much pettier and stupider than they should be.

The fact is that a trial, even if you have 100% chance to win it, is tiresome, lengthy, and expensive, especially against a big corporation that can afford to claim the most ridiculous shit and retrial it until the bitter end, so when you're in the entertainment industry and are already praying to be in the 10% most successful, you don't fucking risk it.

And then there's the matter of sponsorship and licensing, which I don't know much about, but it has become standard practice for brands to either pay or get paid for a favorable mention in media. So even if you technically didn't infringe copyright, a company can still sue you for unauthorized mention. That seems to me to be much more bullshit than the copyright situation since it's purely defending corporate maneuvers instead of intellectual property (and again, big companies have a ridiculous advantage in a trial since they can be as ludicrous as they want and it will hurt their opponent more), but as I said I'm not too versed in that subject.


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I guess the only thing left to bitch about is how Stephen king gets away with naming a character after King Crimson, but jojo can't. I doubt he asked if he could.



That's really retarded though, as band names are just completely normal words.

I understand it with names like McDonald's or Google as they're "fabricated" names, but stuff like crazy diamond?

If I see some weird weird diamond am I not allowed to call it crazy?

Kraftwerk literally translates to "power plant". Guess we have to rename real life power plants in Germany now.



Both kind of suffer from a similar type of main character, though I give Jotaro a bit more leeway then I do Giorno.



Big companies try to copyright everyday words so no one can use them. Basically if you have money you can sue everybody and they might lose rights to their own name. Lawyers will do anything for the money and they are payed by hour.


Correction, current translators cant.



Like >>903663 said:

>The fact is that a trial, even if you have 100% chance to win it, is tiresome, lengthy, and expensive, especially against a big corporation that can afford to claim the most ridiculous shit and retrial it until the bitter end, so when you're in the entertainment industry and are already praying to be in the 10% most successful, you don't fucking risk it.

They probably just want to cover their asses in case some bored lawyer catches a whiff of potential shekels.



I think Giorno, or at least his stand, can be compared more to Part 8 Josuke, both have bullshit stands that got nerfed, in the beginning Soft and Wet could take one attribute out of ti's target, like the friction on the floor or the entire fucking water out of a human and now it's just bubbles that can carry stuff. It's what happens when your stand is so abstract like creating life out of anything or substantiating an attribute, can work for one off villains, but not protagonists. Good protagonist stands have been Part 4 Josuke and Part 6 Jolyne, as in they were simple enough(restore an object, and create string), but they were versatile enough without entering into bullshit territories all that much. Jotaro's stand was basic, and while it did pull some bullshit like Star Finger or Time Stop, it was mostly a fast and strong stand, but it was also the first time stands were introduced so he gets a pass. Johnny started in the same category as Jotaro, a basic projectile stand, but it did evolve and get closer to something more versatile.


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So it's as I first said. I underestimate the music industry. It's funny that Cars is just Kars as if that makes it go away. I'd love to see them somehow change Funny Valentine's name.

Silly Lover?

At least it never effected reading the manga.


I love jojo, but man does Ariki not think things though sometimes. I feel maybe it being a weekly thing made him rush ideas of powers then having to dial it back or make the character go away when it's too good. I forgot Soft & Wet even did that shit. Somehow I forgot chucks of Part 8 and I've been up to date with it since 2014. I might need to re-read.



>Silly Lover?

Ronald Bump.



Funny Valentino.



Amusing Sweetheart.



They could name him after the actual 23rd US president.


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The one who took the first napkin determines everything. The rules of this world are determined by the same principle as 'right, or Left?'! In a society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move everyone must follow! In every era...This world has been operating by this napkin principle.


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Made a better one.

My heart and actions are utterly unclouded. They are all those of 'Justice'.


I'm so fucking excited for the White Album fight coming up next. I think we'll see him teased at the end of next episode and then the fight starts proper after that.



To be completely fair the Dark Tower character is named the Crimson King.



It might be one of the best fights in part 5.


My counter to that is the track Court of the Crimson King and if that's the case Crazy Diamond should be fine since that's not the name of the song.


How does a computer impregnate someone?


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With a dongle



Not defending any kind of censorship jewry I just wanted to clarify. Also I forgot about the track title.


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At the end, the rape/pregnancy thing manage to stir up some drama?



Baby Face is a weird enough stand that I can see anyone who'd made it this far into Jojo not being offended by it. On the other hand, I might be overestimating the insanity of feminists.


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I meant "overestimating the sanity of feminists".



always assume feminists will be "offended" even though JoJo has a whole part of mostly woman and has plenty of female stand users before and since part 6.



The idea of women being good at combat is about as believable as people being possessed by punchghosts named after guitarists, so I'll allow it in fiction.



German nipple engineering is the greatest in the world!



The next fight I'm looking forward to after White Album is probably Metallica.



Stands are pretty much just spirit guns so physical strength isn't needed to be powerful.


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They better not censor it. That's also when we get best boy.



You mean pale scrapbook and metallurgy?


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This anime is /o/ aproved



I'm one of the 8 people that still post there and I approve. I also have a bias love for that car.



So just why the fuck was Pericolo incapable of giving them information, instead of just being a relay TO information? It seems really stupid, so there's probably some kind of catch like the disc isn't just information but some kind of object like the turtle. But it's still getting dumb. Go to point A to get a clue for how to get to Point B to get an object that will help you get to Point C at which point you will receive an order telling you how to obtain the clue for how to get to Point D... did this jackass play way too much Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego while moving up to being the Boss??



The point is that he's insanely paranoid and you REALLY can't take chances when your own people have all sort of bizarre fucked up powers.


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>Ghiaccio was bizarrely intense

>Anime went out of their way to make him look ugly

And David was doing so well too.



Probably because the Boss didnt just planned to get rid of Trish, but everyone else who know about her... which means Team Bucciarati would be killed after the delivery too.



>the Boss didnt just planned to get rid of Trish, but everyone else who know about her

You have way too much faith in both the Boss and VO's overall scenario.



>You have way too much faith in both the Boss and VO's overall scenario.

Well he is batshit insane.



Because he is already a gangstar and this is exactly what gangstars do.



I'm guessing you haven't read the manga, in which case you better be ready for the rest of this part because it really goes places you wouldn't expect shortly after this.



Why is the bad guy named Italian rice dish?



Dragonball reference maybe?



The other bad guys so far have been named Fish, Ice and Cheese.



What's wrong, too bizarre for you?



>he is batshit insane

Isn't this the case for basically every arc villain and the grand majority of the minor antagonists? Because it seems to be a pretty solid running theme that Araki makes the heroes calm and cool and the baddies screaming lunatics.

>this is exactly what gangstars do

So Carmen Sandiego was a gangstar. I knew it!


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Kira had a fetish and he was raised that way and he is better than foot fetishists. Unless you consider criminality as insanity he is not insane. Dio was just an asshole with power. Kars was perfectly(npi) sane. No one was a real fucking lunatic before the boss.

Joseph was a trickster, Jonathan was super calm and shill, yes. Jotaro was not calm, he was silent and he solve a lot of problems by punching shit to death until very much later where he become calm. Josuke was just a normal guy.







>Unless you consider criminality as insanity

MOST people do! Especially when such criminality consists of mass-murder, a great deal of which was only as a result of paranoia (which was actually a self-fulfilling prophecy).

Dio was insane. Full-stop. His introduction consisted of killing a dog for funsies, and only went up from there. He was a simple, cackling-mad shounen villain. Don't sugarcoat it. Later characters gained some measures of complexity, but never Dio.



>killing a dog for funsies

That was to deliberately destabilize Jonathan, not a random act of violence.



What about making that woman eat her own baby? He could have vampirized her while avoiding the entire shitshow, but he wanted to get his jollies off because he's a complete psycho



Dio is insane and evil, but a he's a villain that fancies himself as being superior and deserving of being superior. That scene was to show the mental gymnastics he's willing to jump through to consider himself to be in the right. Same thing with his peace of mind bullshit talk to Polnareff at the end of SC. I agree he isn't a complex villain, but he thinks he is.


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Oh fuck, it looks like Chaika.



>all people that do bad things are insane!



In which case he's insane for gaslighting his own (adopted) family because of a delusion of superiority.


>Some people who do minor bad things aren't insane, therefore ANY bad things are totally okay!

Right back at you, motherfucker.



And a ham



Honestly I would be shocked if any shonen manga writer had planned for the event that their series would blast off in popularity and last a decade or more. Especially the weekly shonen stuff to write & draw out like 20ish pages. It’s probably better mentally to write by the seat of your pants and just write what pops into your head first.


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Giorno-chan reminds me a bit of Venus-san in that artstyle.



This pretty much. There's no point in spending time and effort constructing perfect, intricate plots if your first 3 chapters are gonna keep getting rejected, or your series will flop past the first 3 greenlit chapters, or if it gets cancelled long before the plot pays off.



That's no longer an excuse by the time Araki got to writing Part Fucking Five. You can excuse a lot of the silly stuff in the first two parts as the series' growing pains, but by the time Stardust Crusaders rolled around, it was pretty obviously a hit series and going to be continuing for as long as he wrote it. Really it just seems a case of making the hero's powers extremely vague so they can fit any situation and drive the plot, rather than taking the plot (which I assume he has a rough outline for at least) and trying to bend the character to fit it.


It's amazing how clear this makes it that his hairstyle looks really, really stupid. Like she applied too much sticky hairspray and then fell face-first into a goddamned box of donuts.


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Nevermind, I chortled



Do not bully Giorno-chan about her haircut, she worked very hard to make it as cute as possible.


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Wankel engines are far too underappreciated.




>Not Alba-chan



But the MX-5 never had one.



No, he specifically said "bad things," not "okay." Those things are practically opposite. You, however, are saying that just doing bad things makes you insane. In that case, prison shouldn't exist, and every criminal should just be found not guilty by reason of insanity.

Dio is ambitious and lusts for as much power as possible. Go ahead and call that insane if you want. At this point it really comes down to what you call insane. Personality traits you don't like? What we call insane has become much too broad. Dio doesn't have brain problems, he's just ambitious.



Your argument kind of falls apart when you consider insanity pleas don't work 90% of the time, and when they do, it commitment to a facility that, unlike prison, doesn't have a term limit.


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How are the LNs? I've caught up with the colored mango and now I have nothing else to ora about.

Also, how come there's no porn of the female stands?




I personally dont even think he was a sadist, I think he was narcissist. Which is a disorder but in most cases its considered to be a form of norm. And its not like he was more insane than most violent people, he just could get away with more.

>>Some people who do minor bad things aren't insane, therefore ANY bad things are totally okay!

>Right back at you, motherfucker.

Sanity is not moral or immoral. Its sane or insane, not good or bad.



>how come there's no porn of the female stands?

There is




Plenty of people are ambitious without murdering others or abusing animals or emotionally torturing their brother or sexually assaulting women or attempting to attain immortality through ancient Aztec Vampire powers.

Just why the fuck are you defending this behavior as normal, anyway? Maybe you're the one who is insane.



That's exactly my point. Doing bad things doesn't mean you're insane.


I'm not saying it's "normal," I'm saying it's bad. Saying it's insane implies it's out of his control, like he's sick. He's not. He's just a bad person whose ambition causes him to not care about stepping on others. "Insanity" doesn't make someone bad, it makes them sick. Dio is just bad.



There is no such thing as a "bad person". That's religious propaganda creating us versus them scenarios and pretending as if evil is some kind of inherent natural condition rather than a classification of an act, and therefore it can never be perpetrated by a "good person". Classifying humans into inherent and immutable "good" and "bad" groups is nonsense, and is the root cause of every kind of bigotry on the planet.

If your car's computer suddenly causes it to accelerate into a wall, it had some kind of fault; it wasn't a "bad car". You'd be called an idiot if you said your fucking car was "evil" because it wasn't working properly. People are no different. Why would they be? If Dio is a megalomaniac who gets off by causing pain, he's fucked in the head; this is not typical human behavior and actually results in harm to himself as well as others. He has identifiable and classifiable mental disorders that cause bad behaviors, which means his brain isn't working correctly, which means he is insane. QED.


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>there is no such thing as objective morality, goy maaaaaan

>but being a bigot is bad okay

Where do you think you are?



>teh joos!

Not /pol/, which is where YOU think we are.



>saying bad people exist is religious propaganda

>Classifying humans into inherent and immutable "good" and "bad" groups

You say that, but there's no single major religion that says good and bad is inherent and immutable.


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>be bad person

>now your bad personality is classified as mental disorder

>be not bad anymore


Fuck off to a different board faggots, you're derailing this to a non anime discussion and it's painfully obvious.



>Recognizing good and evil is religious propaganda

>"You shouldn't classify people into arbitrary categories of good or evil, except for those nasty bigots"

>"let me construct an apples and oranges argument based around comparing human beings, who have agency and free will, to inanimate objects which do not."

You left leaning parasite, do you expect me to sit here and listen to your drivel?


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>If you shoot yourself you win

I would never have expected Mista to adopt the canadian military doctrine.


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If JoJo was made by Netflix


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>Bitch bitch cry moan cry cry

Yes, I do expect you to listen to me. Mostly because it makes you so upset, which means I've hit a nerve somewhere. If it was completely untrue, you would just ignore it, like how you ignore people who say the Earth is flat or climate change isn't happening.

My point was that there is no such thing as an evil person, only evil actions; and that pretending that people arbitrarily classified as "evil" are the only ones who ever perform evil actions is delusional and contrary to reality. You DO realize you're taking what was originally a discussion about the idiotic black-and-white, hero-versus-villain shounen cliche existed in early JoJo and attempting to claim that that's how real people are, right? You are an actual child in your mentality. It's pathetic, and all you can do in response is bitch about "muh leftism". Grow the fuck up and look at the world around you, instead of mentally fellating yourself with your /pol/ buddies and thinking that's reality. It's not.


Every so often, Araki feels compelled to throw a gay joke into the mix when the amount of homoeroticism reaches critical mass.


I forget how good Mista is at avoiding death



> If it was completely untrue, you would just ignore it

If that were true trolling would not exist. Also, since people don't ignore people when they talk about God, does that prove he exists?


I'm currently rewatching part 4, did they ever explain why Okuyasu's brother refused to use The Hand to kill their father?

Was he being a good brother or just retarded?


So far Mista seems like the best candidate for main character in this part


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You have to be a real piece of shit to commit patricide, and both brothers weren't capable of it so outsider help was required.



Didn't Okuyasu say he didn't want to use The Hand on his father because he wasn't sure where the things ended up? He wants his father to be dead for certain, and theres no telling if he would still be alive in some purgatory afterwards.



It seems like his Stand power is also somehow making it so when he's shot it doesn't hit anything vital. This is a pretty typical hero cliche, but Mista takes it to the fucking extreme.


Pretty sure I remember the same kind of thing.

Reminds me of a Stephen King short story about a teleportation portal that's invented. The twist is that you have to be unconscious when you use it, because while the body teleports instantly, the mind experiences an "eternity" of transit time, enough to drive the person completely insane in that fraction of a second. It's mentioned that mobsters uses portals with no "destination" set to dispose of bodies, and one time some complete monster shoved a live person into one in the same fashion. The guy's defense at his trial was that because the person was warped off to "nowhere", they couldn't prove he was actually dead. Of course, this implied that the person was still ALIVE, stuck in the void for an eternity multiplied by an eternity. Needless to say, he got the death penalty...


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>homosexuality actually makes you go blind in jojo universe



>Because it seems to be a pretty solid running theme that Araki makes the heroes calm and cool and the baddies screaming lunatics

And speaking of going blind, remember how Josuke goes blind with rage when someone insults his hair.



Good thing there aren't any actual homosexuals in the JoJo universe, then.


He's certainly the least "cool" of the JoJos, but keep in mind that this is portrayed as a quirk, not a personality defect. It makes him unique, not bad. Unlike, say, Marty McFly in BtTF who suffers greatly as a result of his "trigger" (and has to overcome it), Josuke never gets in any real trouble for popping off at everyone who insults his hair.



Probably winds up in the same place Abdul is currently.



If I remember Part 4 correctly the blind rage even comes in handy to beat some enemy stands.



>If Dio is a megalomaniac who gets off by causing pain, he's fucked in the head; this is not typical human behavior and actually results in harm to himself as well as others.

It leads to harm to others. It lets him live well beyond the lifespan of a normal person and experience pleasures others can't even imagine. To say he's harming himself is subjective at best. If harming others means you're insane, then, again, nobody should be in jail. They should all be not guilty by reason of insanity. Hell, real life criminals harm themselves much more than Dio, since they don't get superpowers out of it.


>My point was that there is no such thing as an evil person, only evil actions

An evil person is a person who performs many evil actions. Why don't you just take the next step and say there aren't evil actions? Because we agree that the things Dio does are bad. But doing bad things does not just mean you're crazy. There's a difference between not caring about other people and having hallucinations or something. Your logic just means we should never be angry or upset at anybody for any actions. Anyone who commits a bad action that deliberately hurts others is just ill.



>They should all be not guilty by reason of insanity

It's already been explained why this isn't true. Frankly, this has all completely broken down into just a disagreement about the fucking semantics of the word "insane". You're confusing the typical definition with the legal one, and they are not the same. Legal insanity means "incapable of telling the difference between right and wrong", as in somehow not knowing that murder is a bad thing. It's like a very young child that steps on a bug, and when asked why the would do that can only answer with a shrug, except it's an adult with human beings. Very few people are actually like that; almost all murderers are of the "know damn well that murder is wrong, but did it anyway because [reasons]" variety.

Thing is, most people don't commit murder, even if they have a good reason to. There's a threshold in their mind that takes a lot to breach before they will kill someone, and not just because of the legal consequences. That is normal. So I suppose it would be more correct to say that Dio is "abnormal" in his violent actions, which (again) were not all just a means to an end. But, again, that is still just arguing semantics.

Everything else is you just strawmanning my argument. I never claimed any of those things. I only said that Dio's mind isn't like normal people's minds, which fits a loose definition of "insane"; and that was just saying that he's no different from some of the other JoJo villains in being that way. Nothing else! If you want to extend that to reality, or draw other implications on whether that makes him responsible or his actions defensible or that he's ill or whatever the hell else, that's completely on YOU. Don't fucking put words in my mouth.



>It's already been explained why this isn't true.

Why? Because most insanity pleas don't work? Exactly. Because doing something bad doesn't mean you're insane.

>I only said that Dio's mind isn't like normal people's minds

In that case all you're saying is that individual characters have individual personalities. No shit. Good job stating a truism. Go back and read the rest of your posts. You said a lot more than that.


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>Good thing there aren't any actual homosexuals in the JoJo universe, then



Giorno is literally HITLER for killing a gay.



>one is cut into pieces while the other watches and kills himself (done by the other gay couple, if the oc in the anime is canon)

>the other two end up in the trash, literally

God I love Araki


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So when will get a new intro? Will we only get 2 this time around? Maybe will get a new one when Doppio comes in and a King Crimson ver. when he becomes Diavolo



I just want a new ED. I can't stand this nigger music.



>In that case all you're saying is that individual characters have individual personalities

That is stupidly reductionist. At this point, you're just being a contrarian bitch, and continue arguing over the semantics of the word "insane". This isn't even a debate anymore; it's just me making salient points and you stamping your foot and whining, "NU UH!!" I could say right now that the goddamn sky is blue and you'd contest it.

Go get a fucking hobby you retard.


I'd be extremely surprised if there weren't at least one more OP so that KC can screw with it. Frankly, it's a bit odd that there hasn't been a new OP yet, but then again nothing has really happened that would warrant it. I don't exactly know how they decide when and why to do it. Stardust Crusaders had 48 episodes and two OPs and two EDs. DiU had only 39 episodes but had three OPs... and only one ED. For all we know we could have this one ED for the rest of the run, which would be shit because I don't like it either. Just doesn't have anything to do with the series.



Part 4 had a lot of tone shifts throughout the series, Part 5 is pretty consistent in between Gangers -> Diavolo as a 2 arc.



I remember there was a .gif of Araki opening up some gay fan doujin of his work at a trial, he looked genuinely disturbed by it.



Who wouldn't disturbed with people inserting fetishes into a character they worked at?




It is arguing over the definition, but your definition is wrong. Your previous post was just you basically admitting all your arguments were incorrect and trying to backpedal while pretending you never argued otherwise. You made no salient points. Just saying so doesn't make it so.


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I don't think anyone could ever be ready for the kinds of fetishes the yaoi and bara doujin circles bring to the table.



I always thought it was him looking at the first chapter of the current arc at that time, and seeing something he had forgotten but was plot relevant.



Ever heard of "pizzini"? Long story short, the mafia is so paranoid of the police, enemy gangs, even their own men, that they use middlemen and people who owe them protection money to plant scraps of paper containing bits of information related to their next hits or stashes, and said info is relayed via multiple pizzini to make sure that those hiding them won't snitch on each other.

Modern day camorristi are just a bunch of kids spray'n'praying but the old guard is meticulous.



>episode file is corrupted and has random timeskips

One can only hope.



>Your definition is wrong

>The legal definition of insanity is wrong

>He continues doing exactly what I said

You sure are a piece of work. Like a puppet with a pull-string. Keep it up; it entertains me.


I find it a bit hard to believe that someone with imagination enough to come up with something like JoJo never managed to think up the craziest, most off-the-wall fetishes possible involving his characters. There's a difference between not liking something and denying that it's never crossed your mind even once. Most likely, there is an element of acting involved here, where his reaction would reasonably be a shrug "so what?" but he feels the need to act disgusted so he isn't interpreted as being supportive of it. After all, Japan is really quite homophobic, so it could torpedo his career if he doesn't have the "correct" reaction to seeing fag comics.


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Nice projection, faggot. "He has imagination, so he can imagine the most degenerate things possible" into a fucking "the only reason he is not running degenerate manga is because he wants money". I want to insult you, but you probably going to enjoy it.


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We were almost at the goal, but then Trish lost her body.


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Also some Bucciarati backstory.


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The fight with the boss begins.


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And Bucciarati kills himself in the future thanks to the power of the simplest of stands, Emperor Crimson.


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Your worldview is literally a joke.



I imagine the OP will change once the Diavolo arc formally starts.


All memes aside.

From this episode alone I really couldn't understand anything about how King Crimson works.

At first he did some teleporting that looked similar to The World's time stopping but what the hell was that future thing.


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Ironically, your post is concrete proof that bad people exist, because you're a terrible, pedantic faggot.



>not knowing the difference between morals and virtue

Morals is a scale that goes from good to evil, and virtue is an other scale that goes from good to bad. As you can see the first one is the kind of thing that priests, philosophers and other bookworms endlessly discuss, and the second one deals with the painful realities of everyday life. If a car's computer suddenly causes it to accelerate into a wall, then it had some kind of a fault, therefore it's a bad car. It's on the second scale, the same way a bad apple is bad. Bookworms can argue if the car and the apple are evil or not. It should be rather obvious now that there are "two goods", and something can be good (in a moral way) and bad (from the perspective of virtue) at the same time. Or the other way around, it can be good but evil. Now, morals are a lot more abstract and subjective, but virtue is something every sane and healthy man can grasp instinctively.


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It took me so long to figure it out, that dog shit translation didn't help. By the time I knew part 5 was finished with the new scans we were a month away from the anime so I figured I'd wait.


Remember King Crimson is just a more complicate version of The World that can also see into the future thanks to it's sub stand ability.



Oh great, more picking nits with semantics.

>virtue is something every sane and healthy man can grasp instinctively

This would seem to lean more toward Dio not being sane, however. Whether it's good or evil to kick dogs can be debatable, but "sane" people can recognize it's not virtuous behavior because it's naturally repulsive.


Which is pretty bullshit anyway. "Oh, people can only have one Stand? Fuck you! I have a split-personality that works like a one-way mirror, conveniently enough, so I get two." Next you'll be telling me there is a JoJo equivalent to Christine Costner Sizemore that has 20 fucking Stands just because.


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>Which is pretty bullshit anyway.

Being insane has its perks. And koichi practically had 4 stands. Technically you can have any number of stands as long as you have only one active. And its not like king crimson is the most powerful stand, not even in that arc.



>Oh great, more picking nits with semantics.

Bad and evil are completely different things. Pointing this out is far from nitpicking.

>"sane" people can recognize it's not virtuous behavior because it's naturally repulsive.

It points toward Dio being a psychopath, so he is indeed mentally defective. If depends on your morals if that makes him evil or not, but yes, he is a bad person, because kicking dogs simply for "fun" is not helpful to anyone in any way.



I only realized this now, Bruno saw himself twice (In his first fight with GE and now with KC) Could this mean something?


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It helps my sanity thinking that King Crimson is just like the Anubis Sword or Cheap Trick, a Stand that is sentient and Doppio is the original man who can use Epitaph himself. Doppio, a rather model man, gets corrupted by the Stand that ends up controlling him and making him do all that weird shit. When Doppio's soul dies, KC is the one controlling the body (since it's something it can do, as he did so with Trish-in-Mista's-body).

Also it's not really time stop, it's more like moving really fast and casting mass Alzheimer on those around him while also being able to foresee the future.



>being this obsessed over fucking doppio

Doppiofags were a mistake.


>Diavolo talks through Scarlet Monarch instead of just talking himself like in the manga

Why tho. David pro just added more work for themselves by making it so KC needs lip synching.



I think it was just random coincidence especially considering that that GE power was "forgotten".


Currently boss is hidden, so its fitting that you dont even hear him, only his stand.

>by making it so KC needs lip synching

Well duh, in anime you need to animate stuff, its not manga. And its not like they running out of budget/time.



>I find it a bit hard to believe that someone with imagination enough to come up with something like JoJo never managed to think up the craziest, most off-the-wall fetishes possible involving his characters.

Araki is unironically pure



Bruno would do an action that ends up with him on the opposite side of the pillar 10 seconds in the future, so when Time is "skipped and erased", Bruno only sees the beginning and end of the first 10 seconds.

Because of KC's ability, he technically was only punching his future "after-image".



>koichi practically had 4 stands

Not even remotely the same thing. It just evolved to have a different ability, and he could never use the old abilities after that point. It wasn't switching back and forth all the time.

>its not like king crimson is the most powerful stand

It's not even all that powerful anyway! The point is that when it's combined with Epitaph to be able to see the future, it's COMPLETELY INVINCIBLE. Only the power of a stand that is so fucking hax that its official stats are literally all infinity signs was able to beat it.


>Doppio, a rather model man, gets corrupted by the Stand that ends up controlling him

I like this explanation. It's still complete bullshit, but at least it makes things internally consistent within the rules of JoJo. Being able to tell the future is something already established in universe, after all. Another way to think of it is that Diavolo/Doppio is kinda like an EXTREMELY COMPETENT Oingo/Boingo combo; the wuss can predict the future and nothing else, and the big guy does all the punching.



it's really epitaph that makes KC bullshit, if Diavolo didn't have it, he'd be really susceptible to ambushes and etc etc.

I think KC would be able to take out Jotaro, but not Dio. Dio's vampiric body would more or less cancel out Diavolo's OHKO shit, and I don't think KC is actually stronger than Star Plat. in pure strength.


King Crimson is pretty much the only reason I decided to watch this part. And I've gone and gotten myself invested in the series along the way, which is a nice surprise.

Looking forward to seeing more of the mad bastard.



> I don't think KC is actually stronger than Star Plat

Does it really matter? In JoJo there are only two levels of strength for a Stand: "can punch a hole in someone" and "can't punch a hole in someone". Unless they're directly combating each other in fisticuffs, the relative difference in strength between two Stands isn't important.



>being obsessed

I just think he's funny but it's not like I have a shrine dedicated to a weird Sardinian talking into frogs and acting autistically around people


I don't know if this was said before but this part has some excellent sound design, with all the attack rushes of the stands having a relation to their abilities, especially Moody Blues.

I think this might be alltogether better than the part 5 manga. It's excellent in motion and the music puts it together as well(outside of that shit ED).



I already heard Every time I close my eyes... in the back of my mind when Bucciarati got a hole in his chest.



It's like the opening chords to Roundabout, except not any good.



It comes with making a protagonist stand too vague and undefined.

Bruno's fucking cool in action. Physically he's no pushover and his stand has a simple, understandable, well defined ruleset. Sticky Fingers looks, sounds and animates incredibly well.

Jotaro had Doomguy rage levels at times, and his Stand was just "No fancy tricks, just ora ora" which was likable.

Giorno is the embodiment of all those cop "smartest guy in the room" shows with the added bonus of not being smug or even around all that much, until the actual characters do everything and a canned finish needs to be popped. Gold Experience's ability is too vague and its power is also too vague, and Requiem is the bullshitest canned finish of any bullshit canned finish.


It's weird, it seems as though it's coming to the close of part five but it feels like hardly anything has happened.

Giorno is still an outsider as far as everyone but Bruno and Mista is concerned, and as it stands Bruno and Mista are the only two characters I find myself caring about mainly as they're the only ones that have done anything.

Giorno himself falls flat as an interesting character as he has a habit of sitting there and letting himself get hit before retaliating and then completely dominating because he has control over life and he just needs one punch to win.

Everyone else has had near zero developments aside from the segues into their backstories, which tell us near nothing about the characters as they are today anyway.

Overall I'm disappointed with part 5 thus far.



>Coming to a close

Anon, it's only half over. There's still 19 episodes to go.



>It's exactly the same length as DiU

And yet it feels like absolutely nothing has happened by comparison. It's weird. Granted, halfway through was also when Kira debuted in DiU, and the plot got a lot denser from then on, just like things are going on right now with Diavolo's reveal. Makes you realize just how similar the two parts are.

Also, I randomly stumbled upon information that confirms that we're soon to get a new OP, possibly even next episode, as it fits the change in tone: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-01-19/daisuke-hasegawa-performs-new-opening-theme-song-for-jojo-bizarre-adventure-golden-wind-anime/.142295



I blame the casting. The VA I believe was the raging autist in Hero Academia and as such I guess you gotta make him a raging autist here too.




What fight?



I love Araki feels the need to constantly remind people how utterly dogshit he is at drawing children.


And he was a 12 year old.


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I don't really see the problem.



>tfw you realize the longest beatdown in the series is literal gay bashing

Jojo truly is the greatest media of our generation.


>Dead man's questions will never ever get an ova

I'm kind of sad but honestly I can't trust David to not manage to ruin it.



>tfw you realize the longest beatdown in the series is literal gay bashing

Don't forget that his ability is Green Day, that is also a reference to weed



>Jojo truly is the greatest media of our generation

Is it a political statement if more straight people are getting beaten to death, I wonder?



>>The legal definition of insanity is wrong

You're the one using a definition of insanity that, if used as the legal definition, would mean that every person who ever commits a crime is not guilty by reason of insanity.



Jesus, will you just shut the fuck up already?


It was pretty cool how the timeskips occured at the start of the episode, but the explanation graphics didn't feel as good to watch.

What's the deal with that special program for the next episode? Is it just going to be a recap or something?


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Also I forgot that GE not only can create life, it can also create Stand abilities.


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I am also a bit disappointed that he didn't have a better sound evect like Za Warudo.


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Also sorry, but I couldn't resist.



>Not "Your time is up, faggot"

Shamefur display.



I never got the maymay, the mango explained it pretty well.



Yeah, I think the meme was just because of the low quality scans and shit translation. You'd have to be literally retarded to not understand how King Crimson works today.



Looks great in motion, but the dialog and translation don't make it clearer. King Crimson was never that hard to understand, but this flowery language makes it more like he's just seeing the future, instead of also erasing 10 seconds of time.


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This really does sum it up well. Time jumps and we all don't know it happened.

If someone has seen that episode it makes it clear

I've always said it works kind of like a lag switch in a game.

The person doing it can move like normal, but the person getting the lag has no idea whats going on. Or its like doing a jump cut and taking away 10 seconds of a video.






>next episode ... just going to be a recap or something?

I would assume so. Sucks. At least we'll probably get the new OP the episode after that, so in two weeks.


>I am also a bit disappointed that he didn't have a better sound effect

It does, but King Crimson erased it.


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Here's how I explained King Crimson

>Imagine you're editing footage using movie maker or something, and the clip you're editing is 15 seconds long

>What King Crimson does is that he cuts out

from 5 seconds to 10 seconds, then splices the remaining footage together, however he's the only one that realizes this

>He's the editor, so he gets to see what's in that time and react accordingly



Koichi is actually shown using the act1 version once or twice, so he can actually choose to use a previous version, but he can't use them all at once..


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As others have pointed out, at first it was because of bad translation, and weird art/panel work, but after some time, you understand it, plus there has been a lot of discussions/explanations/examples on how it works. At this point it's just a meme.



A better example is Kira, since he can either Killer Queen or Sheer Heart Attack(I am sure he can use both, but is afraid of getting hit by Sheer Heart Attack, since it's automated). Plus even after getting Bites the Dust, he could still use the first bomb.



Yes, because Golden Wind has only 2 arcs, DiU was made up out of at least 4 and each story was actually (genuinely) episodic, the plot for each episode was only one or one and two episodes each.


It's fine, KC is actually represented by himself very well, I really like how KC is animated. The World would be weird if DIO spent his time talking through him.


the .gif is close, but the "undesired event" still technically happens, but I suppose it's good enough



I think the problem with King Crimson is not how complicated it is so much as how abstract it is for such a simple result. It's really just a shittier The World that's harder to grasp. There are ways to use King Crimson to interesting results, such as having Bruno walk into a fire, but nah, as it stands it's just about avoiding attacks and setting up instant punches.

Really, it was a bad result of Araki's intent to keep main antagonists having time control.

The World was simple but perfect, Bites the Dust was a little iffier, but still worked great for the arc. Then you have this hot mess that isn't even used to good effect. Made in Heaven was also great, thankfully. I mean, it's an asspull to rival GER, but all the pages illustrating the effect it had on the world were some great shit.



KC never got its chance to be defeated in a straight fight, it's just got OHKO by GER



I'm pretty sure Kira tells us he can only use one bomb at a time. He had to recall SHA before he could finish off Koichi, and he had to recall Bites the Dust before he could use his primary bombs in conjunction with Stray Cat.

He also loses Sheer Heart Attack after becoming Kosaku Kawajiri, since it was centered in his hand, which he cut off to delay Josuke and the boys. when he got to Cinderella he just took Kawajiri's hand along with his face, hair, and fingerprints.


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Oh my god, I can't believe Bucciarati is dead.



The weird thing about KC compared to The World is that it's possible to think about The World just moving faster than light speed, so: faster than time itself, therefore compared to it time is standing still. It works fine that way. This means that nobody who isn't right there and/or had been affected by what The World does (like getting punched or those restaurant patrons that got knocked over) would even notice that anything had happened. Its area of effect is just what it affects when it's moving at super-speed.

But KC is literally SKIPPING OVER portions of time, for everyone but Diavolo. That's how it works. So this means its area of effect must encompass basically everything. Despite being outside KC's "range", Giorno and everyone else outside experienced the same effect. It can't just be a small area, because then there'd be bizarre (heh) bubbles of time/space left behind ten seconds out of step with the rest of reality. So literally every time KC uses the time-erase power, EVERY PERSON ON THE PLANET must be experiencing that same skip. Which is just absurd.


I now understand why people have said that bucciarati stays alive on bullshit alone


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That's definitely an element that relies on suspension of disbelief, but it's precisely what makes Made in Heaven great. It not only addresses what the worldwide effect of fucking with time would be, it's the entire point of the Stand. Him fucking Jotaro up is only a bonus.



It's part of what makes him more interesting than Giorno in my eyes.



I forgot about the weird zombie Bucciarati shit. Don't really remember how it turned out in the manga. Was he accidentally brought back to life as a sort of zombie by Gold Experience? Don't want to go back to the manga since I want to be surprised as I watch again.



>Was he accidentally brought back to life as a sort of zombie by Gold Experience?

Something like that. But more metaphysical as in he's perfectly "alive", but just doesn't have a soul anymore. And as we all know, souls are what feel pain, apparently...


Sure was alot of nothing happening this week.



Nah he still has a soul, considering he can still use his Stand(the manifestation of ones soul), got his soul switched in another body during Silver Chariot Requiem, and when that body died he became a ghost again to say goodbye to GioGio.

I think it's more that GE fixed his body ,but didn't start the "ignition" to put his body in motion, so his blood isn't circulating, maybe his neurons aren't working, his heart isn't working, nor are his lungs, it's just a bag of flesh that slowly decomposes, because no anti-biotic to fights the bacteria that slowly eats it, and Bucerrati's soul is possessing this lump of flesh making him into some sort of zombie.



>became a ghost

Yeah, but that's my point. He became a ghost ALREADY right before Giorno fixed his body, and there was no indication that said ghost got sucked back in there. It gives the distinct impression that he was meant to be dead for real, and then the next chapter Araki realized "Oh shit, there's no way the other guys are gonna follow Giorno..." and then just had him wake up like nothing happened.

Saying that a soul can animate a body even if the entire body is biologically dead is just... silly. I mean, maybe you'd have something if it was specifically shown that he was kinda using his Stand to "pull the strings" of his body to make it move, but that's not the case. Forget KC; this is the REAL ass-pull "lol it just works" part of this arc.



There are real life cases where people were declared dead by the doctors(no pulse or brain activity), but after several minutes or even hours they come back to life. Some of these people even say that they visited heaven for a short time, so it isn't that much of a stretch that Bucerrati's spirit came back after GE "fixed" his body. You could say that it is a bizarre situation in this adventure.


Again during Silver Chariot Requiem his spirit enters another body, and only after that body is destroyed, does he rise to heaven to say goodbye to GioGio.


What happened with the last hitman squad member we never saw them fight?



He shows up later. Read the manga


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Why are Jojo translators so nervous about getting sued over trademark infringement from real-life musicians but the Guilty Gear translators don't give a shit?



Probably because JoJo is bigger and they want to profit off the memes. Can't be selling shirts that look like album covers with an actual album cover name on it. I think JoJo has had more fighting games than Guilty Gear has at this point.


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GE has powers of life, he pumped too much life into a corpse so now its almost alive.


>when author kills you but you know, that without you everything will be even shittier


I finished the manga and I barely remember anything. I think I only remember general bullshit and altitude stand. I am pretty sure GE just used his "good thing, I am immune to everything" to defeat him. And depressing Polnareff shows up.

I should stop thinking about all of this and just enjoy the show.




Does he try to make a pass at the boss's retarded alter ego and get completely fucked by KC while being told that everything he's done was completely worthless?



I still don't get the audacity of copywriting shit like WHITE ICE or KING CRIMSON, as if putting those words in that order means that they're stealing the album rather than offering an homage to it. What bullshit.



It's just a precautionary thing. And since nobody actually pays for music anymore musicians might actually sue so they don't have to do another tour in their late 70s.

Also it's WHITE ALBUM. I mention it because the whole point of that album was the Beatles released a plain album cover knowing they were so big that they could make it famous. It's ironic that they're worried about an album name that technically isn't even the album name.



>There are real life cases where people were declared dead by the doctors(no pulse or brain activity), but after several minutes they come back to life

Not on their own, they don't. And no pulse sure, but no brain activity means brain death and NOBODY comes back from that because it's biologically impossible. You know how, when you remove a car's battery, it resets all your radio stations? It's kinda like that with a brain. The mind isn't in the neurons, but the bioelectric field between them; shut off all brain activity and it means wiping the mind clean. Even if it were possible to somehow restart the brain, there wouldn't be a person in there anymore.

Also, they were never "dead". Because souls don't actually exist, people don't die at any set moment in time. Death is a process. If you interrupt the process before any significant decomposition of tissues takes place, the person will be okay. Interrupt it a little later on, and they end up severely mentally retarded because there's been a little bit of decomposition. Get there too late, and they're a vegetable, but still "alive" by the barest definition. This is why declaring death requires two highly trained and educated experts to independently verify it's happened.

>or even hours

Completely impossible. Never happened. Decomposition of brain tissue begins to happen after few minutes without oxygen. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.


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Don't forget Bastard!! with its metal band names and celebrity cameos, like the starter villain, Osborne.



>Not on their own, they don't.

Well neither did Bucerrati, also here are cases where people were declared brain dead(no activity in the brain) and still came back to life(all of them have links to articles describing more in details).


>souls don't actually exist

I don't want to have a discussion on whether souls exist or not(personally I believe they do), but we are talking about GioGio as well, where they do exist. If there are cases where a person had no brain activity for a few minutes(while Buceratii had no brain activity for a minute at most), got special help from medicine, machines, doctors(in his case a Stand power) and recovered, then sure I can believe what happened, in the context of that world. Now you will complain that he became a zombie, while all these people didn't.

>Never happened.


>no heart beat for 18 hours

>hooked on a respirator though

>is going for a full recovery

Sure as you said, you can't do it alone, as he was hooked to a respirator, but again Bucerrati also had GE, the giver of life as his doctor.


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I never thought I see so much about JoJo not being realistic and what really happens when someone is brought back or life or what good and evil are. Jotaro stopped and re-started his own god damn heart then brought his dead grandpa back to life, people are fighting with invisible punch ghosts, suspend your disbelief a little.

>Because souls don't actually exist

It doesn't matter if they really exist or not in real life, they exist in JoJo. we've seen ghosts in almost every part. A ghost is who told the part 4 gang their is a killer in their town. We saw everyone who died in Part 3's ghost, We just saw Bruno's ghost and we see Gyro's ghost in part 7



Zippy died then the corpse was reanimated by Giorno. Can a zombie have a stand? Can stands exist after the user's death? Yes and yes.



>musicians might actually sue so they don't have to do another tour in their late 70s.

How much did the famous bands make back in the day? Does boose, coke and bitches really burn that much dosh?



But the question we're trying to answer is: what exactly is his state of being? It's not as simple as just "a zombie" because zombies are reanimated souless (and largely mindless) corpses, but Bucciarati still has his soul and is otherwise perfectly okay aside from his body being abnormal. It's more like Giorno just fucked something up and accidentally gave him a Golem body instead of a human one.



I don't know if I would say Giorno fucked up. GE did repair the damage done to the body, this may be a situation where Bucerrati was supposed to be separated from his body after his death and fly into the sky but chooses not to out of sheer will. So now he essentially possesses a vessel like a golem or living armor. A sort of existence between life and death.





Josuke would have fixed him.


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Never forget.



Never underestimate the financial irresponsibility of artistic sybarites.


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Semantics. Also Gio father had exact same power to reanimate corpses(even long dead) so I have no idea what the fuck are you arguing about.



No one's arguing that he's living his immunity to a stand later is from the fact that he's technically dead. When people think of zombies in Jojo like those made by Dio and other undead bucciarati doesn't really show aspects like a weakness to sunlight or a hunger for human flesh like they did, so the word doesn't sound like a correct way to describe him. It's ultimately inconsequential what someone calls him as long as it comes across that he's non-living.



I always assumed that KC deleted time at the same time he was healed, which caused some sort of weird being dead while the soul is alive shenanigans.


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Jousuke couldn't even bring his grandpa back, the secret is in Bruno's willpower again.

Hate to post this but it's exactly like this normalfag meme I found.


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>Only you would know such stupid stuff

Except Jotaro knew it, too, or else he wouldn't have known whether those were the correct answers.

>Al Yankovic

>Not Weird Al Yankovic

>Missing out on the chance to have Joseph accidentally remember it as Bizarre Al Yankovic


Never forget that the makers of Candy Crush Saga essentially own copyright on the word "Candy" in context, meaning technically nobody can ever make a mobile game with that word in the title, even if it's otherwise nothing like their game in the EU. The also filed for it in the USA, but later abandoned their claim after (presumably) public backlash, when all signs pointed to the fact that the request would have been granted had they not done so.

You can do literally anything in the world if you have enough money to hire enough lawyers. The winner of a court case is just whoever has the most well-paid lawyer.



Should Jotaro have done a neck scratching or blushing gag while jeering gramps for knowing that stuff? Because he thinks he's too cool for Weird Al or whatever.


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I just wanted to talk about jojo



> I think JoJo has had more fighting games than Guilty Gear has at this point.



-HFTF (Updated version of the CPS3 JJBA game)


-Eyes of Heaven (if you want to count that as a fighting game, even though its really not.)

Guilty Gear





-GG Isuka

-GG Petit

-GG Petit 2

And thats not even counting the updated re-releases.



It would make sense. You saw the wrist zipper unfold and suddenly it's back. Something was skipped.


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No matter how many times I read / watch part 5, Giorno is so damn boring. Might as well call it "Zipper Wind: Bob-cut Adventure." I do love Bruno, though, he and Mista really make it worthwhile. I wish Araki had done a bit more with the whole 'Dio's son' thing, but I guess he makes up for lack of DIO in part 6 and 7.



>Lack of DIO in part 7

u wot m8?

But I agree, Bruno is the best single mother around and the true protagonist.



Mista is boring as fuck. His entire stand power is "man with accurate gun".



At least he has a fun personality. If he had a more interesting stand he could've easily carried part 5 much better than giogio does as a protagonist.



BruBu is a better Jojo than GioGio, no matter how you zip it.


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>reducing character to the power of his stand

>the more powerful someone`s stand is the more interesting he is



That's right. Jotaro is the single most interesting character since his stand is "time stop punch man."



Only near the end of the arc. For the majority of it, Jorato's stand power was "Punching things at a high frequency".



Giorno isnt supposed to be a good jojo and I think Araki's intent was to make Bruno the defacto protagonist. Think about it.

What does Girono inherit from Johnathan? He cares little for mercy or justice. He would have murdered the shit out of Bruford without even listening to his story. Girno is just Dio's son when you think about it. He's not really even that great of a guy. He's not noble at all.


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Didn't he fix everyone on the train? He also healed his party members. Dio would have killed any of them at the first sign of weakness for being too weak.

Truth be told I forget he's there sometimes. I find everyone around him more interesting. I always blamed the dog shit translation, but maybe I'm wrong and he really is bland. I still blame that shit for making part 5 feel like a bitch to read, even if I liked most of the fights.



He inherited Jonathan's childish innocence and autism.



I think at the very least it was a neat idea to let your MC be the strongest ever and then set up every fight as a big "How do I get in range to fuck up him" puzzle, but Jotaro was without a doubt a giant fag who was the least interesting person of the bunch.

I mean for fucks sake the one who mourned Kakoyin was Joseph, the person who Kakoyin had the least amount of interaction with, not Jotaro, his supposed best bro.



When you compare his calm demeanor most of the time to his teammates he just gets drowned out mainly to just how bombastic and intense everyone else is.


The autism part I can see.


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Instead of making the nips breed, I think Abe should fix their collective dementia.

It's another recap episode.



They should've left all the backstories for the recap episodes.

Nonstop fights would be perfect and wouldn't kill the hype




Weak delay for episode is better than poor quality episode.


YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>Recap's episode has that bombastic jazz track playing during the scene where Bruno gets a hole in his stomach

What a terrible choice.

Speaking of the music, this part has some really good tracks. I feel the YO IT'S JO JO track is far, far better than the BREAK DOWN BREAK DOWN of part 4, and there's this one exceedingly good horns track that sounds like something out of The Incredibles, I wish I could know the name.

Not that I'm asking for a source or anything but it's 1:25 in this video in case any of you want to accidentally name it.



You saying Ghiaccio isn't a raging autist?



I don't know any Japanese, but I read that the way he speaks is very formal and polite, and opens up more when he gets closer to the gang. I think, this is going from memory from threads in 2012-13 when I first read part 5.


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I'm saying he was but they took it overboard because explosion man.


It's close but it's not the one. This is more the victory theme when the other was just the "momentarily winning in a fight" theme.

Looks like I've become raging autist man.

Also I still fucking love how Zipper Head Sticky Finger's sound effect is a zipper closing.



All this clipshow episode did was remind me how fucked the courts in Italy must be to result in half of these character's backstories turning out the way they did. I guess that's what you get when the corruption literally goes from the street on up, and the only one who was found innocent was the one whose family paid shitloads of money.


Pretty sure the real life Italian mob started over their whole government system being shit and the police never doing anything that didn't help themselves.



>he's not noble at all

Did you miss why he killed Polpo? Or why he spared Bucciarati? Didn't the latter's execution look kinda familiar to you?



It was probably jews, as usual.



He killed polpo because his stand accidentally killed an old man because Giorno fucked up. Polpo did nothing wrong, really. Without him, the crew wouldn't even have their stands and I bet nobody got killed when they did it, only when Giorno does it, shit goes wrong.



Because of his callousness towards the fact that it happened. The blood was on Polpo's hands for being so indiscriminate.

Anyway, his interaction with Bucciarati is like a retelling of the Jonathan-Speedwagon meeting. But with punch-ghosts and slick sound-work. Giorno is Brando with Joestar compassion, if not righteousness.



Polpo literally didn't know his stand had murdered that guy.


>it's another recap week




>didn't know

>Polpo was that cavalier about his stand murdering people with or without his order

You think that'll fly with a Jojo? Fuck off.


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I think it's a bit of a weird trend how JoJos get progressively more evil with each iteration.

Jonathan: noble as hell, basically a saint

Joseph: a bit of a daredevil and a trickster, but loveable cheats on his wife though

Jotaro: calls his mom a bitch, nasty to everyone around him, not there for his daughter

Josuke: tries to capitalise on Shigechi's ability, steals money from his own dad

Giorno (the steepest drop): a fucking mafioso

Jolyne: thinks she killed a man, first instinct is to get rid of the body to not go to jail

Johnny: pretty much a cold blooded killer inside, probably the most evil jojo to date

Gappy: not even sure yet, but he is certainly brutal as fuck

Anyway, new OP this week.



I'd say GioGio was the one who started the downwards trend, because while Jotaro was rude and violent he was still "good", and Josuke was basically just an average dickhead teenager.



Don't forget that Jotaro, despite looking like he's fucking 35 in Stardust Crusaders, is ALSO a dickhead teenager in his debut. Josuke is only one year younger.



He was a different kind of dickhead teenager. He was an edgy tryhard with crippling autism.



That gif seems more complicated than the explanation given. What I got from the anime is that the tiny head predicts 10 seconds into the future and then, for those ten seconds, KC moves differently to how he predicted while everyone else does the same as they were going to. Also they have the memory of those 10 seconds removed, just to fuck with them.

It seems less like he's actually altering time and more like he's just altering people's perception of it, kinda like that fujo-bait character in Code Geass.


So, that last chapter, eh? I hope he's not really dead.




All these mother fuckers with no idea about Rolling Stones.



I still say Giorno is more evil then Jolyne but her whole part did take place in jail

maybe I just really don't like Giorno



>Jolyne: thinks she killed a man, first instinct is to get rid of the body to not go to jail

Her first instinct is to call the police, it's her boyfriend who tells her to hide the body. Otherwise you're right, there's no question Johnny is a born murderer.


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Why does this episode look like that? It's been much better before.

Not a fan of the third of the new OP being reused footage.



>Not a fan of the third of the new OP being reused footage

They might update it, but I felt the same way about much of it being scenes instead of just the characters performing various POSE. Seemed very different from what we're used to in OPs. Also, I don't understand them spoiling that Trish has a stand, probably 10 episodes before we're even going to see it. What was the point?



>I don't understand them spoiling that Trish has a stand

This. They even have an excuse for skipping parts of the OP and adding new ones as they progress


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>spoiling that Trish has a stand

I thought that was obvious after the whole train thing.


I don't like this new OP. It's not very visually appealing, and the song is pretty lackluster. Hopefully the final version with KING CRIMSON skip and possibly Requiem stuff will be better.


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Maybe the OP will grow on me. you guys are talking about Trish but they show Gio fucking stabbing himself with the arrow!

At least we get to see Doppio



Yeah, I'm very surprised they showed Giorno stabbing himself with the arrow. That's final 2 episodes shit. Way too early to show that now. Anyways, I DID like the new ED, and Doppio in the OP is nice. Can't wait to see him in action.


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Man the new OP and ED are weak.

Also is its just me or does Scarlet Sovereign look kinda happy in this shot?



There's a big difference between thinking she could have a Stand and knowing for sure, as well as what it looks like. As the other guy said, there was no reason to skip it and then add it in later. Maybe do kinda like what they did with Koichi in CNBT where at first instead of a Stand it's just an empty space, so we're left thinking "okay, she's gonna have a Stand, but what's it going to look like?" which builds up anticipation. Now every animeonly is going to be left blue-balled every episode when it DOESN'T show up, which is less anticipation and more frustration.


It occurs to me that the final boss Stand is a King, while in the last part it was a Queen, which really means that the big boss for Stardust Crusaders should have been Hol Horse because his Stand is the Emperor.


I just realized, the new ED is called "Modern Crusaders", with the lyrics "Stand up, join us" and premiered literally a day after the NZ attack. That's some crazy timing, intentional or not.



>That's some crazy timing, intentional or not

You might be able to call it Crazy, Noisy, Bizarre Timing.



That first image looks like Bogdanoff

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