/abdl/ - Adult Baby - Diaper Lover

Somebody rip the pics from her profile

> I don't understand why this policy is in place, and I really hope this group doesn't control too much of the ABDL community, because it's going to be hard for me to avoid calling out the obvious bullshit in this post.

I wouldn't say they "control" the ABDL community, but they are very prominent. One of the mods of the group is the owner of the largest ABDL group on FetLife.

You know the ABDL girls that you guys were mentioning in the video thread when they were having their vids taken down? Yea, that's this group and their friends.

There is a similar thread in the largest ABDL group on Fet.

I don't know if I agree or disagree with the thread(because I haven't really thought about it a ton), but I understand the point of the thread itself.

Whenever this topic comes up, whether in this group or the other one, it always ends up running off the tracks into flaming and trolling, becoming a huge clusterfuck.

>>6811

The actual reason this ban exists is because there are a couple of super annoying old dude creepers who claim to have "age dysphoria" and like to bring it up in every thread possible that ageplayers are fakes and distracting people from the real trans-age problems.

Seriously.

>>6834

if that's the case then they should just ban those people. why would they have a sticky publicly exclaiming this?

Oh for fucks sake

Can we keep politics out of this fetish? Or like every fetish I have?

There are now 4-5 bait threads clogging all my porn, fuck right off please

>>6834

Well, then they're handling that incredibly poorly.

>>6836

It's relevant to me because I want to be a part of this community, but I don't want to get kicked out for disagreeing with obviously stupid people. I'm posting about it here specifically because I can't on Fetlife.

>>6838

You really don't want to be part of this community. They're pretty much all assholes.

>>6839

Really? They're the biggest ABDL community I've found so far. I don't think they can all be assholes.

>>6840

Also lots of hot diaper girls.

>>6839

I dunno if I'd go that far. I think one of their issues that they definitely need to work on is not being so cliquey.

They host parties and stuff, but you have to be vetted to go. There is a party in NY somewhere that starts in a few days. The way I understood the ad is that noobs were allowed. I asked to go and was told no, because no noobs.

Talked to another ABDL on 7 Cups of Tea about this(though it wasn't the main reason I contacted her, it just went there in conversation), and she said it was bullshit because she knows there are noobs that are going.

I dunno, I like the group because of the topics of discussion(they aren't all about diaper, all the fucking time), but they need to learn to be more inclusive. People don't like them because they act all high and mighty and cliquey.

>>6835

It's more then just one or two. This really starts with the bullshit of old hetero virgins claiming their fetish is like being gay. Even claiming ABDL oppression and discrimination. Idiots like this go back pre-Tumblr.

Now they're just switched to "age dysphoira" instead of "diapersexual". I've seen this shit stretch back a decade to DPF and every other subsequent large ABDL community.

>>6829

Who are those people? I want names

>>6846

https://fetlife.com/groups/18060

http://misspandapants.tumblr.com/

>>6844

it really depends on how they intend it to be looked at.

first of all, having a kink/fetish isn't something you should advertise just like any vanilla gay or straight couple, sexual or pseudo-sexual acts do not belong in public places. someone wearing overly-revealing lingerie wouldn't be appropriate for walking down main street, and neither is an AB onesie with obvious diaper bulge.

That said, if someone found out you were gay, you'd most likely receive far less abuse than if they found out you were abdl, mainly due to the unusuality of the fetish, combined with the associateon with childish things making people assume it's related to pedophilia.

That combined with the fact that it's illegal to fire someone for being gay, but not for having a fetish(regardless of fetish. If HR were prudes they'd be equally free to fire people into bondage, or foot fetishists), gives some credibility to the idea that abdl would be persecuted, but that still doesn't change the fact that they're not the same thing and it's far less reasonable that people outside your bedroom should know about your fetish compared with knowing about your orientation.

>>6844

I'm in the "being transgender is being delusional" camp, so I see age dysphoria as being equivalent to gender dysphoria, and I think that having TQ in the acronym is as implicitly insulting as the phrase "diapersexual." There might not be many ABDL who hold this view, though, so I may see this as even more ridiculous than other people.

>>6848

Agreed 100%.

>sexual or pseudo-sexual acts do not belong in public places

Why not?

Seriously.

One good reason. Go ahead and try.

>>6848

Discrimination I think would imply some sort of injustice. I don't tend to care what others do with their fetish, just under the agreement that actions have consequences.

However, these sorts of people are less fired for their fetish coming out and more like Stanley from taboo. Socially inept and every bit the stereotypical abdl.

>>6849

> I'm in the "being transgender is being delusional" camp

And stopped reading there. Your special snowflake opinion doesn't trump the consensus of the medical community. You're pretty much as retarded as anti-vaxxers.

>>6811

You're going to get my account banned too if you keep posting fetlife screenies on here

>>6860

Huh? I don't get it.

>>6852

>Your special snowflake opinion doesn't trump the consensus of the medical community.

They've reached a consensus? Tell me more.

>>6844

Let's see, as an ABDL I:

-cannot dress how I desire in public,

-feel guilty for how I exhibit my sexuality,

-have anxiety over how others would treat me if they knew the truth,

-face discrimination if my ABDL nature was publicly known.

Nope, not like being gay at all…

Oh wait, maybe it's different because the LGBTG think we can just stop being this way at any time- I think most of us have tried that.

Maybe it's because we're a minority, there's a lot less of us that LGBTG and we know that if you don't conform to a relatively large populace you don't deserve rights.

The fact that the LGBTG folks don't see the similarities physically sickens me. Why should I have to hide who I am because the groups that have gained acceptance aren't willing to back me up - in fact, miminize the reality of what I am.

Yeah, fuck them and their high horse.

>>6852

>the consensus of the medical community

>implying

>>6874

Yeah, I'm hoping that guy comes back and backs his claim up with some links.

>>6851

because it is effectively subjecting someone to your own sexual gratification incidentally and without the opportunity to consent, nor operate in the public place without being subject to the sexual acts that had not been consented to.

your all also assuming that everyone that does this does it for sexual reasons, when a lot don't.

>>6876

Yeah so observation is not participation, even if I enjoy being observed. If I am juggling in the park and someone is really uncomfortable with juggling then I should not juggle?

>>6869

>>6875

The American psychological association updated the DSM back in 2012, specifically to stop classifying gender dysphoria as a disorder. There is no major medical institution that agrees with "it's just a delusion".

So once again, your personal opinion does not trump the opinion of the medical community. That's not to say there aren't a lot of crazy trannies. But transgender itself isn't just some delusion.

>>6896

What is it, then? Is it no longer in the DSMV at all?

>>6896

>>6901

Wait, I found it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/gender-dysphoria-dsm-5_n_3385287.html

So it's still in the book, it just has a different emphasis. Okay, that changes nothing.

>>6896

>If people are offended we should change science

This is why the APA is full of shit. The suicide rate for pre and post-ops doesn't change, yet they refuse to admit that maybe their recommended treatment is wrong when confronted with that.

Obviously wanting to change yourself away from your chromosomal alignment is due to mental issues. We call that mental illness. Yet it is not defined and treated as such. Instead we recommend that they mutilate themselves instead of seek treatment because we're too afraid to hurt their feelings and tell them that they are mentally disturbed. Fucking horrifying.

Le sources:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

>>6811

>you do not face being fired or beaten

>you are not persecuted or hated

But that's fucking wrong! People HATE ageplayers, it's easily one of the most misunderstood and despised fetishes out there

>IF YOU DISAGREE WITH US WE'LL BAN YOU

Well fuck, so basically they're just admitting that they're not a reasonable, tolerant group, they're just another clique with a "my group my rules" mentality?

>>6904

Actually, don't most doctors only allow operation and hormone treatment as a last resort?

I agree with you though. I've heard from a couple people on various sites that wanted to undergo it, and it seemed to me like the operation is just a bandage or cheap thrill they were looking forward to, and that they would continue to be unhappy afterwards.

I'm no psychologist but I can see at least some people being even more unhappy now that they've crossed a threshold of no return with no results

>now I'm also a freak what have I done

You are all such stupid fucks. Getting your rocks off to diapers is nothing like being LGBT. Screw your fucking heads on jackasses. You're just as bad as all the tumblrites making up genders and being trans-racial.

>>6919

Agreed. This snowflake shit is cringe.

>>6919

>bunch of well argumented stuff

vs.

>You are all such stupid fucks

yeah

>>6919

>Getting your rocks off to diapers is nothing like being LGBT.

I think it has more to do with adult babies than diaper lovers; the former generally don't see diapers as sexual, while the latter does. That's why there's a slash in AB/DL, to differentiate between the fetishists and the "lifestylers", for lack of a better word. Though I will agree that comparing it to LGBT is questionable.

>>6921

I'm not pissed that ABDLs aren't treated better or accepted, I'm pissed at the obvious hyprocrisy of the LGBT movement members who made OPs post. That's what's cringe, not knowing you're a hypocritical ass

>>6924

This concept doesn't deserve a thought out response because anyone who isn't autistic can see why being ABDL and LGBT are nothing alike.

>>6902

It changes how the condition is classified and treated. It certainly makes makes it clear that it isn't a delusion.

>>6904

> This is why the APA is full of shit.

Says the anon in an imageboard dedicated to jerk in off in adult diapers. Yes, your personal opinion is more valid then all those doctors, "experts", studies, and research. When can we expect your peer reviewed research to to be published, since the entire American Psychological Association is just completely wrong next to your personal prejudice and google-fu.

Suicide rates say absolutely nothing about the validity of the condition. Simply that transition alone doesnt treat depression, or the variety of other issues that can manifest when a person grows up transgender.

There is no major study that backs up the claim it's a delusion.

As someone who is both a faggot and an ABDL I can say that there are SOME similarities between that and being queer. It's something that a lot of us didn't choose (dare I say that some of us were born this way?), it can cause some amount of emotional distress (I've heard a ton of people talk about "supressing ABDL urges") and make you feel alienated from vanilla people/romantic partners/etc (Have heard even more asking for advice on how to talk to their partners about ABDL stuff and concerned how they would react). Of course, not everyone has the same experience but for some it's easy to draw the parallel

I've been a part of that fetlife group for a while and the main motivation behind that sticky is that people were making that same thread over and OVER again.

Even worse, there were a ton of spergs who really did believe that they should be allowed to expose their diapers/abdl-ness/etc to the general public.

That being said, there's really no reason to be that caustic about it with the sticky. No shit it's not the same as being queer but there are similarities for a lot of us.

Do have to agree with what was said previously in the thread, there are a ton of assholes in these groups. It's probably not the majority of people but the ones who stick out are loud and obnoxious.

>>6942

>There is no major study that backs up the claim it's a delusion.

Are there major studies backing up the claim that it isn't?

>>6940

>I can't think of a decent response

ftfy

Yes, wearing diapers is a choice, but having a diaper fetish is not a choice. Being homosexual is not a choice, but sarcastically with these people's logic you could say that putting your dick in another man's anus IS a choice. I'm sure everyone agrees that LGBT community lacks some legal rights that ABDL's don't, but apart from that there are a lot of similarities. In fact, LGBTs have some things way better than ABDLs - for example they have a strong supportive community while we have… a FetLife group moderated by these idiots?

>>7014

>>Yes, wearing diapers is a choice, but having a diaper fetish is not a choice.

I think that is debatable.

I'll be honest, I haven't given it much thought, nor have I spent any time studying this(hell, are there even legit studies saying that having any fetish is not a choice?), but it just sounds debatable to me.

>>7016

If people could just pick their fetishes freely, then please tell me WHY THE FUCK would anyone want to deliberately have something as ridiculous as diaper fetish.

>>6870

>The fact that the LGBTG folks don't see the similarities physically sickens me.

Says the autistic hetero dude.

>>6972

You could check the DSM, or how any major medical association addresses treatment for transgender individuals.

>>7014

>wah wah i can't shit my pants in public and not be discriminated against

You're the kind of people who grow up to be found rooting through daycare dumpsters. You know that right?

>>7020

Your fetish is not the same as sexual orientation. This thread is justifying exactly why that stick thread exists. Hetero dudes who want to be special snowflakes and have their kink recognized as something more then a kink.

Oh… as for prejudice from other kink groups towards ABDL, the retards in this thread justify exactly why we're stereotyped. We do have a higher concentration of socially inept males completely up their own ass. Tumblrina style self-victimization and seeking their own special snowflake orientation, before there was Tumblr there were ABDLs.

>>7021

I'm truly sorry for your butthurt because of the existence of heterosexual men.

>>7021

It's laughable because RIGHT NOW people say the same thing about you – just want to be a special snowflake and have your sexual deviancy recognized as something more.

In fact, that's the reason why you needed that sticky and why your ego drives you to post here. Because you think it hurts the specialness of trans issues if other things get that qualification. You are so caught up in wanting to be that special snowflake that you will actively attack other things to make your core issue more special/distinct/unique.

>>7016

I spent years thinking I was a monster because of this fetish. It's no choice.

>>7021

Yeah, I don't think you actually read the thread.

>>7021

>This thread is justifying exactly why that stick thread exists.

Yes. Because you don't want this topic to be discussed. For obvious reasons.

>>6969

Holy shit I need to stop posting drunk. Some of that shit is shameful.

>>7021

"Your fetish is not the same as sexual orientation."

In the same way your sexual orientation means fuck all to 90% of the world.

"This thread is justifying exactly why that stick thread exists."

For LGBT to be hateful and biggoted asshats to anyone who would DARE compare a fetish that if outed could ruin your life to a sexual orientation that has similarities.

"Hetero dudes who want to be special snowflakes and have their kink recognized as something more then a kink."

In the same way the special snowflake LGBTIQDGDSFHDSFHSDFGJHDSFHSDGJHSFDGJETRDSFYTEWTRUYRETUYRETU (did I get every special snowflake letter?) community feel the need to have the gender they like to fuck identify EVERYTHING about them.

It's all about power, control and smugness, LGBT can't stand to have anybody else compare themselves to the "always the victim" culture they've cultivated for themselves over the years.

This screencap represents how fucked the ABDL subcultre is right now, if anyone disrupts the echo chamber, they doing something wrong.

You social justice scumbags ruin fucking everything.

>>7021

>Says the autistic hetero dude.

It's good to see tumblrinas still adhere to their policy of only opposing gender/sexuality/disability discrimination when it's trendy to do so. If they suffer from an unpopular disability or belong to the wrong gender/sexuality, it's just fine to use it as an insult.

Fucking hypocrites.

Also, I strongly defend the right of trans people to get gender-reassignment surgery and hormone supplements, but the APA are awful. http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jul/10/us-torture-doctors-psychologists-apa-prosecution

anons right. this thread is fucking shameful, that sticky is right and this entire thread is justifying it and man just when you're trying to escape tumblr– god damn.

yeah okay, i GET that even if its just a fetish for me that its a lifestyle for others– so fucking what???

TONS of people have fetishistic lifestyles. you dont go out in diapers and ask for soccer moms to change you for the same reason that you dont go out in nothing but a thong and a ball gag and ask random strangers to lead you around on a leash and slap your ass– because it makes people fucking uncomfortable you retards.

LGBT's dont fucking do that. (well, most of them. ive seen some shit. but generally no, if someone isnt straight it wont be blatantly, culturally, or uncomfortably obvious by their attire.)

If I'm fucking hiring someone to work for me I want them to look normal and act normal so that they can answer peoples questions and fucking work well.

An lbgt person can do that just fine. their need for cock/pussy will not effect the job, therefore discrimination based on that aspect of them is valid and wrong.

If someones wears non medical diapers during work, giant ass baby clothes and talks to customers like a toddler, guess what fuck nuts??? THATS GOING TO SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE AND THROW THEM OFF. It's going to weird them out and drive them away from my god damn store. How the fuck am I supposed to make money off someone whos constantly talking to customers about their gross diaper lifestyle and weirding them out? I need you to be selling my products, not making yourself feel less lonely and more accepted by obnoxiously thrusting your fetish into the public eye. Work time is not play time!

god i cant believe i actually had to explain this shit.

>>7186

This entire thread feels like two groups of people talking past each other and misinterpreting what the other is saying. I'll try sifting through it some other time and try to analyze what you're all saying.

Personally, I agree with the anon above: Fetish stuff should stay out of the public eye. It should be reserved for private, both online and off. However, I would like there to be less of a stigma against ABDLs that just wear diapers for comfort rather than to get off. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd feel better about admitting my desires to my family if there wasn't a chance that they'd think something was wrong with me and need to take me to therapy to "cure" myself.

That doesn't mean I'll shove it in other peoples' faces, though. I know better than that, and I really couldn't care less if a stranger thought I was a creep just because I happen to wear diapers at home, just to unwind. But I care what my friends and family think, and I wish it was easier in that regard. That, I think, is why people are comparing it to LGBT, because they fear the day they have to "come out" to the people closest to them, or that they'd get caught. I don't think the comparisons work perfectly, but I get it.

>>7186

>LGBT's dont fucking do that

>T

Trannies do it by definition. I like how you act like pretending you're the gender you're not is perfectly acceptable and not forcing your creepy personal issues on others, then act as if people are saying they want to act like babies in public.

Nobody here is saying treating AB as a lifestyle isn't retarded and wrong, but people sure as fuck should be able to at least wear diapers without getting hassled about it, as one's underwear is nobody else's business.

Hell, most people keep it perfectly private in the comfort of their own room, but even so, there are countless cases of their family/loved ones snooping on them and freaking out, then doing awful things to them out of ignorance and hatred.

Hell, judging by the dismissive attitude of this cunt, I'd wager she'd say the same thing about even legitimately incontinent people. It has nothing to do with acting like a baby in public, the facts are that people who wear diapers, regardless of whether it's medical or not, ARE being discriminated against by society.

When most cases of child abuse occur during potty training, people make up false rumors about bedwetting being a sign of a psychopath, certain schools ban incontinent children from attending them, brands like Depends exploit the shame of incontinent people to make them buy subpar "discrete" products, doctors try to push deadly pills and risky operations on incontinent patients while chastising them for wearing diapers, and many many other things, you have to be outright lunatic to claim that there isn't an extremely strong and irrational societal stigma against diapers and incontinence.

In fact, I'd say that unlike today's Tumblrina microaggression/privilege/trigger bullshit, stopping the stigma against incontinence and diapers is a social justice cause actually worth fighting for.

>>7186

>An lbgt person can do that just fine. their need for cock/pussy will not effect the job, therefore discrimination based on that aspect of them is valid and wrong.

An AB/DL can do that just fine too. They can wear diapers in private in their spare time, then come into work dressed as a normal person. An AB/DL coming into work in a diaper is analogous to an LGBT person having gay sex at work or coming in wearing the opposite gender's clothes (I have a lot of sympathy for trans people, but it's true).

Do you think that AB/DL people wouldn't be discriminated against if it became public knowledge that they dress up like a baby and shit themselves in private? Do you think they wouldn't get mocked at work, and possibly fired, depending on how much of an asshole their boss was? Do you think an AB/DL who kept their fetish and work separate would be allowed to work in a kindergarten?

In short, fuck off tumblr.

>>7211

>An AB/DL coming into work in a diaper is analogous to an LGBT person having gay sex at work or coming in wearing the opposite gender's clothes (I have a lot of sympathy for trans people, but it's true).

The diaper and coming in in gender-swapped clothes can both be pulled off without looking like a freak, so long as you dress sensibly(which is significantly harder for MTF, but fuck those guys, the 'problem' ones are exclusively from that side)

>>7216

> fuck those guys, the 'problem' ones are exclusively from that side

They're only "problem ones" because our society is at least 1000 years away from being anywhere near civilized and compassionate. It's the same problem which plagues pedophiles and various other groups who are hated for the way they were born.

>“The real problem of humanity is the following: we have paleolithic emotions; medieval institutions; and god-like technology."

- E. O. Wilson

Emphasis on the "paleolithic emotions" part.

>>7211

>An AB/DL coming into work in a diaper is analogous to an LGBT person having gay sex at work or coming in wearing the opposite gender's clothes (I have a lot of sympathy for trans people, but it's true)

No. This is ridiculous. An ABDL -masturbating- openly in a diaper is analogous to an LGBT person having gay sex at work.

An ABDL wearing a diaper to work is analogous to a LGBT person sharing a peck on the cheek or holding hands with someone of the same sex at work. It's not sex, but it's something you do if you would like that sort of sex. Notice that this is somewhat acceptable now for LGBT but diapers are not for ABDL. Hence, we are the more persecuted.

Seriously, how screwed up an analogy was that. Wearing diapers like having sex. Ridiculous.

>>7231

You're actually right. In my mind I pictured the kind of bad stereotype that >>7186 was describing, but that's not what I wrote. Plenty of people wear diapers for medical reasons, and it can be done very discreetly and professionally. I'd avoid messing them, but simply wearing them under normal clothes shouldn't be shameful.

>>7023

Oh look, self victimization.

>>7025

> It's laughable because RIGHT NOW people say the same thing about you – just want to be a special snowflake and have your sexual deviancy recognized as something more.

Yeah, which is when we turn to what the scientific research says. But no no, your OPINION is more important then those silly facts and studies. But considering you jerk off to diapers, you're not in any position to be preaching degeneracy.

>>7053

> Yes. Because you don't want this topic to be discussed. For obvious reasons.

Yeah, it brings out the autistic fucks that ruin every diaper community with their "one twue way" and desperate need to validate their fetish as something more then a fetish.

>>7056

Or… maybe you're just a sad lonely hetero dude who thinks their personal opinion on sexual orientation is more valid then the mountains of research? Cry harder.

>>7062

>disagreeing with me makes you a tumblrina

Says the retard claiming trying to claim their diaper fetish as a orientation/identity. Okay there.

>>7190

And once again special snowflake redpiller thinks that their personal opinions with absolutely no factual backing is valid because they can hit a post button.

> Nobody here is saying treating AB as a lifestyle isn't retarded and wrong

That's literally what you're doing. That's what that sticky is addressing. Ironically your so triggered by misinterpreting what a sticky thread means you're not only defending these people, you're acting exactly like tumblr does when sane people point out their special snowflake tri-gender demisexual cucumberkin is fucking crazy.

>>7186

Wow, typical Social Justice Scumbag right here

"I shouldn't have to explain to you why this thing is wrong!" the weakest argument ever.

Also, the laughable lack of self-awareness too.

"LGBTs don't fucking do that" You mean they DON'T go into public pride parades in full leather fetish gear? Or wait, that happens at EVERY pride parade. But LGBT gets a pass why?

>>7248

Pride parades are just gay Mardi Gras. What, you want to march around in your shit filled diapers openly and demand respect for your fetish?

If you don't see how retarded that is, then yeah you are too fucking dumb to explain to.

>>7247

>Oh look, self victimization.

Pot, meet kettle.

>Yeah, which is when we turn to what the scientific research says. But no no, your OPINION is more important then those silly facts and studies. But considering you jerk off to diapers, you're not in any position to be preaching degeneracy.

And we all know that "scientific research" is in no way biased!

Funny how all of you Social Justice Dipshits always shame people you disagree with.

>Yeah, it brings out the autistic fucks that ruin every diaper community with their "one twue way" and desperate need to validate their fetish as something more then a fetish.

Again, pot, meet kettle.

>Says the retard claiming trying to claim their diaper fetish as a orientation/identity. Okay there.

Nobody said ABDL was an "identity", we just said it had similarities to LGBTs coming out of the closet.

>Or… maybe you're just a sad lonely hetero dude who thinks their personal opinion on sexual orientation is more valid then the mountains of research? Cry harder.

Oh look, more shaming language from the land of the hypocrites!

>And once again special snowflake redpiller thinks that their personal opinions with absolutely no factual backing is valid because they can hit a post button.

The pot is getting mighty familiar with the kettle!

>That's literally what you're doing. That's what that sticky is addressing. Ironically your so triggered by misinterpreting what a sticky thread means you're not only defending these people, you're acting exactly like tumblr does when sane people point out their special snowflake tri-gender demisexual cucumberkin is fucking crazy.

That sticky is EVERYTHING wrong with special snowflake dipshits like yourself. It says "I don't like your opinion, so therefore any discussion of it is banned!"

If all of the research is in your favor what need is there to ban discussion if not to censor other opinions to get into the echo chamber?

>>7249

>Pride parades are just gay Mardi Gras. What, you want to march around in your shit filled diapers openly and demand respect for your fetish?

Way to strawman and put words in my mouth!

To answer your question: No, People should keep their sick ass fetishes to the bedroom. LGBT should keep their shit to the bedroom too. Nobody wants to see any of it.

Of course the difference is you have a victim complex and can't possibly let any similarities be drawn between ABDL and LGBT, after all it would just make your need to make your sexual orientation your identity seem fucking stupid.

>If you don't see how retarded that is, then yeah you are too fucking dumb to explain to.

>>7250

> And we all know that "scientific research" is in no way biased!

Yes, the entire medical community is in on a conspiracy to promote the gay agenda. You've caught them, good thing your tinfoil hat keeps out the faggotry rays right?

> Nobody said ABDL was an "identity", we just said it had similarities to LGBTs coming out of the closet.

That's what the sticky is addressing shitlord. You're just so uppity you call SJW at a pin drop.

> That sticky is EVERYTHING wrong with special snowflake dipshits like yourself. It says "I don't like your opinion, so therefore any discussion of it is banned!"

Wow, your idiocy is pretty astounding. You claim you're not defending that having a diaper fetish should be recognized the same as orientation or gender identity, then turn around and screech that people are banned from trying to claim their diaper fetish as a special snowflake orientation/identity.

> If all of the research is in your favor what need is there to ban discussion if not to censor other opinions to get into the echo chamber?

Because there's no point in humouring autistic retards who want their diaper fetish recognized as a special snowflake orientation. The topic comes up constantly from the stereotypical ABDL autistic creeps.

> No, People should keep their sick ass fetishes to the bedroom. LGBT should keep their shit to the bedroom too. Nobody wants to see any of it.

Well considering how popular Mardi Gras and pride parades are, that's obviously not the case.

But once again, you assume your personal opinion actually means anything due to your special snowflake mentality.

> Of course the difference is you have a victim complex and can't possibly let any similarities be drawn between ABDL and LGBT, after all it would just make your need to make your sexual orientation your identity seem fucking stupid.

Because there aren't similarities. LGBT ABDLs have no reason other then them being different experiences to stress that they're different. But you've concocted this nonsense conspiracy in your head, which has resulted in you defending the worst people in our community.

>psychology is a science

>psychology is also non-biased and encompasses the entire medical community

>lgbt exhibitionism is perfectly acceptable in public

>comparing lgbt or abdl means you think walking around in shit filled diapers is perfectly acceptable

>what people tolerate in a parade is perfectly acceptable for daily life

>if you disagree with any of this, you are autistic

I stand by what I said in >>6848

>>7252

>Yes, the entire medical community is in on a conspiracy to promote the gay agenda. You've caught them, good thing your tinfoil hat keeps out the faggotry rays right?

Once again, putting words in my mouth! All of the studies and research being done these days already have the answer they want and then twist the data to suit their agenda. It's worthless. Guess it makes me a faggot hating shitlord to question the results of these studies!

>That's what the sticky is addressing shitlord. You're just so uppity you call SJW at a pin drop.

Because you're doing a good job acting just like an SJW.

>Wow, your idiocy is pretty astounding. You claim you're not defending that having a diaper fetish should be recognized the same as orientation or gender identity, then turn around and screech that people are banned from trying to claim their diaper fetish as a special snowflake orientation/identity.

I claimed it has SIMILARITIES as in being outed could lose you your employment and possibly more. Nobody said anything about living a full ABDL "lifestyle".

>Because there's no point in humouring autistic retards who want their diaper fetish recognized as a special snowflake orientation. The topic comes up constantly from the stereotypical ABDL autistic creeps.

Oh yeah, again with the shaming language! Anyone who disagrees with you is autistic, way to be ableist! Who's really the hateful biggot?

The fact is, it's censoring differing opinions. You're just rationalizing it.

>Well considering how popular Mardi Gras and pride parades are, that's obviously not the case.

>But once again, you assume your personal opinion actually means anything due to your special snowflake mentality.

Once again you disregard any opinion other than your own. Complete with more shaming language!

>Because there aren't similarities. LGBT ABDLs have no reason other then them being different experiences to stress that they're different.

Oh, because someone at your employer finding out that you like to wear diapers and pretend your a toddler will in no way get you fired!

Just like how in the days before anti-discrimination laws you couldn't be fired for being gay!

>But you've concocted this nonsense conspiracy in your head, which has resulted in you defending the worst people in our community.

Who am I defending? Somebody who would DARE to compare having to hide a fetish to having to hide the fact they like cock?

YOU my friend are the worst of our community, You are part of the problem of dragging your Social "Justice" Bullshit into everything, YOU are the one shaming people for daring to make a comparison.

Social "Justice" and idiots like you are a fucking cancer.

I don't really understand the issue here. So what if I'm not like LGBT, why should I want to be seen that way?

Is this some sort of SJW feud over oppression points?

>>7254

Biology and neurology are not psychology moron.

But thanks for demonstrating how dumb you are. People can more easily dismiss you.

> Once again, putting words in my mouth! All of the studies and research being done these days already have the answer they want and then twist the data to suit their agenda. It's worthless. Guess it makes me a faggot hating shitlord to question the results of these studies!

How am I putting word in your mouth? You literally just followed that sentence by stating the exact same thing, that all the research is a bias conspiracy.

So… same as the poster above you. Thanks for showing off how stupid you are.

> I claimed it has SIMILARITIES as in being outed could lose you your employment and possibly more. Nobody said anything about living a full ABDL "lifestyle".

And you didn't take the time to understand what the sticky was addressing before jumping up on your soap box denouncing how terrible it was.

Exactly like SJWs do.

> Oh yeah, again with the shaming language! Anyone who disagrees with you is autistic, way to be ableist! Who's really the hateful biggot?

And? I'm not an SJW fucknuts. You're just a redpiller that sees enemies everywhere. You act no different from SJWs, just on the other side of the political spectrum.

>>7256

Naw, it's more about SJWs trying to censor any kind of discussion.

They believe their opinion is the only right one, period. So the sticky in the OP is all about typical SJW tactics: First they say <X> is wrong, then they ban any and all dissent.

It's less about the Oppression Olympics and more about it not being a black and white/right or wrong issue.

You don't have to see yourself as LGBT or even in the same ballpark as LGBT. But the fact is simple, that there are risks if you are caught in ABDL activities just as if you were caught in LGBT activities years ago.

>>7256

Redpillers who think they act any different from SJWs are getting asshurt because they didn't understand who the sticky was addessing, the stereotypical ABDL autistic idiots who think their diaper fetish is the same as being gay or transgender.

They're so desperate to score internet argument points, they got in this tizzy and hilariously have ended up defending the worst of the worst pamperchu level crazies in our community.

>>7258

> that there are risks if you are caught in ABDL activities just as if you were caught in LGBT activities years ago.

Sticky has absolutely nothing to do with that. There's nothing banning "I got outted, oh shit fuck sakes." threads. You've just created a boogieman in your head and claim oppression.

>>7257

>Biology and neurology are not psychology moron.

Neither of those things are able to quantify that transgenderism is not a mental illness, they only show that hormone replacement changes brain patterns to be more similar to the 'new' gender than the actual gender.

Some theories on causes for the psychological disorder have roots in biology, especially chemical influences during pregnancy(which are already known to cause a number of issues, FAS included)

In addition to this, there is massive doubt on the efficacy of gender reassignment surgery as a treatment to transgenderism, even the Swedish Karolinska Institute advises against it, due to the suicide rates of post-ops.

>>7261

>Neither of those things are able to quantify that transgenderism is not a mental illness, they only show that hormone replacement changes brain patterns to be more similar to the 'new' gender than the actual gender.

There's observable differences in brain chemistry, and structure before hormone replacement.

But yes, this entire argument is actually redpillers who've been rejected from every other community for their conspiracy nonsense desperately trying to gain validation.

Wah wah wah, cry harder.

>>7262

>There's observable differences in brain chemistry, and structure before hormone replacement.

I'm aware of a study showing this during/after hormone therapy, but not before. Can you provide a citation?

>>7263

Here's two

http://www.journalofpsychiatricresearch.com/article/S0022-3956%2810%2900158-5/abstract

http://www.journalofpsychiatricresearch.com/article/S0022-3956%2810%2900325-0/abstract

>inb4 scientifically illiterate redpillers confuse psychology and psychiatry.

I swear, every time this kind of debate happens I end up hating both sides.

On the one hand we have people who want to declare anything slightly abnormal to be a "mental illness" as a way to justify their desire to dictate what medical treatment other people should be allowed to receive and what other people should be allowed to do with their lives. Classic authoritarianism with a big dose of tribalism and a fear of anything different.

On the other hand we have a group trying to make meaningless distinctions between "legitimate sexualities" and "fetishes" so that they can stand on their high horse and proclaim that the people they like are allowed to do whatever they like, while the people they hate are all evil oppressive monsters who should be publicly shamed. Again, authoritarianism and bigotry.

How about this?:

LGBT people are free to do whatever they like (including wearing whatever clothes they like) as long as it doesn't cause physical harm to anyone else.

ABDL people are free to do whatever they like (including wearing whatever clothes they like) as long as it doesn't cause physical harm to anyone else.

Problem. Fucking. Solved. You can all go back to your respective SJW/nazi hugboxes now.

>>7265

> On the other hand we have a group trying to make meaningless distinctions between "legitimate sexualities" and "fetishes"

Because they are distinct from one another? Is it meaningless? Probably. They still aren't the same thing.

> so that they can stand on their high horse and proclaim that the people they like are allowed to do whatever they like, while the people they hate are all evil oppressive monsters who should be publicly shamed. Again, authoritarianism and bigotry.

Said nobody ever. The problem literally just stems from the stereotypical ABDL. The one's that actually do act exactly as portrayed on sensationalist media. If you want to defend them and demand they be treated with respect, well fuck off to ADISC or something and their ABDL creeper hugbox.

>>7264

While the FTM study does state similarities, the MTF one states results are different between true females, males and MTF, even going as far as to state that the MTF results are due to a developmental disability.

Interesting that those studies have such results when FTM trannies are almost always more passable and more mentally stable than MTF.

>>7267

> Interesting that those studies have such results when FTM trannies are almost always more passable and more mentally stable than MTF.

Here's the thing, no argument here. I've met more mentally unstable MtF's then stable. My only dispute was that it's some delusion or conspiracy made up by SJWs. They have a legitimate medical basis. One we don't fully understand. But it's not the same as just having some fetish, or "age dysphoria" nonsense.

>>7266

You just proved my point.

It's one rule for the "poor oppressed minorities" and another rule for the "gross white cis hetero men". You are utterly incapable of seeing the hypocrisy of demanding that trans people are treated with the utmost respect, even when they "act exactly as portrayed on sensationalist media", while simultaneously expressing utter contempt and revulsion for other sexual minorities who do no more harm to anyone.

Your entire ideology is based on "eww that's gross make it go away", and I have less respect for you than I have for almost anyone at "creeper hugboxes" like ADISC. The world would be a better place without people like you in it, and the only thing separating you from /pol/ is your direction of bias.

>>7260

>Sticky has absolutely nothing to do with that. There's nothing banning "I got outted, oh shit fuck sakes." threads. You've just created a boogieman in your head and claim oppression.

You're right, that sticky ACTUALLY has everything to do with the argument that ABDL can't be compared to LGBT and anyone in that FetLife group that shows any dissent on that will be banned as per the sticky.

This is absolutely about controlling the echo chamber. Dissent = Ban.

You're nothing more than an Authoritarian supporting censorship of dissent.

>>7270

> You are utterly incapable of seeing the hypocrisy of demanding that trans people are treated with the utmost respec

[citation needed] Because the post above yours would disprove that notion.

No, I'm just saying that fetishes are different from orientation and identity. It's a demonstrable fact.

You have to pamperchu level autistic or a completely idiotic redpiller who things LGBT is a conspiracy.

>>7271

> You're right, that sticky ACTUALLY has everything to do with the argument that ABDL can't be compared to LGBT and anyone in that FetLife group that shows any dissent on that will be banned as per the sticky.

And the winner of mental gymnastics goes to anon! They aren't the same, the sticky has nothing to do with getting caught threads and everything to do with idiots who claim they have "age dysphoria".

You idiots just get banned from these communities by claiming LGBT is a bias conspiracy, ignoring all the research contradicting you in favour of your special snowflake opinion.

>>7281

>No, I'm just saying that fetishes are different from orientation and identity. It's a demonstrable fact.

>You have to pamperchu level autistic or a completely idiotic redpiller who things LGBT is a conspiracy.

Ah yes, the good old mott and bailey tactic.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-brick-in-the-motte/

That said, I still think that unless you have an accurate model of the human brain - something which is at least 100 years away - you can't be certain that fetishes are different from orientation. It seems like a completely imaginary distinction made between "respectable" sexual attractions and "weird" sexual attractions.

Anyway, the thread is discussing the sticky which makes the following ridiculous claims:

>ABDL is not comparable to being LGBT

>ABDLs do not risk being fired from their jobs

>they do not risk being denied housing

>they do not risk being assaulted

>they do not risk being denied the rights of family at hospitals

>they are not persecuted or hated

Out of that list, only one of those claims is true. An ABDL who was open about their fetish could certainly be at risk of discrimination, up to and including assault. I invite anyone who thinks that ABDLs could never be discriminated against to post a detailed description of their fetish, plus some photos, publicly on their favorite social media platform. I mean, what are the chances a future employer might see it and choose not to give you the job? Zero apparently…

In fact, I'd go as far as to say that in most of the western world a diaper fetish would be looked on with more hatred and bigotry than any LGB sexual orientation.

Certain LGBT people seem to believe that they have an exclusive right to sympathy, and if anyone else is recognized as having a comparably tough life, it somehow detracts from the sympathy they receive. I'm certainly not saying all LGBT people are like that - most of them are very reasonably, nice people - but the person who made that sticky seems to be that way. They lack empathy for anyone else, and only care about their competition to be the most oppressed victim in the world. They are the people who made feminism into a dirty word, and they are the archetypal SJWs.

>>7284

> That said, I still think that unless you have an accurate model of the human brain - something which is at least 100 years away - you can't be certain that fetishes are different from orientation. It seems like a completely imaginary distinction made between "respectable" sexual attractions and "weird" sexual attractions.

The important thing was establishing a biological premise for transgender, that it wasn't just some psychological delusion. Something that doesn't exist for a diaper fetish, which is purely psychological. If you honestly think you were both with a diaper fetish, then you're beyond all hope.

Should someone be hated for their fetish? In most cases no, as long as it isn't harming anyone.

> Out of that list, only one of those claims is true. An ABDL who was open about their fetish could certainly be at risk of discrimination, up to and including assault.

There's absolutely no reason to be open about you jerk your dick too. Here's where our distinction between fetish and LGBT. As it's pretty obvious the redpiller response is "well the homosexuals flaunt their degenerate sexuality". Forgetting once again how fucking idiotic that sounds when they jerk off to fucking diapers. One of the more bizarre and socially outcast fetishes, even amongst the kink community. But existing isn't flaunting their sexuality. There is no epidemic of gay men forcing themselves onto straight people, or going out to talk and expose them to their bedroom shenanigans. Only by pathetically large leaps of the imagination can you construe them acknowledging they exist as flaunting their sexuality. And it's kind of required to acknowledge if you want your relationship legally recognized.

A transgender person, crazy or not, ugly or not, whatever; existing isn't flaunting their sexuality. There are radical tumblrinas that we're all aware of and rightfully hate on. However, for them to dress as the gender their brain is wired as at the least has shown to be helpful. Questions of full reassignment surgery are another matter.

There is no diaper fetish suicide crisis. You aren't in a relationship with your diapers that requires to be recognized by other people. If you disagree, literally you're defending pamperchu levels of stupid. The fucking irony in people's desperate attempts to argue against trannies and faggots they end up defending pamperchu's behaviour.

>>7286

>The important thing was establishing a biological premise for transgender, that it wasn't just some psychological delusion. Something that doesn't exist for a diaper fetish, which is purely psychological. If you honestly think you were both with a diaper fetish, then you're beyond all hope. Should someone be hated for their fetish? In most cases no, as long as it isn't harming anyone.

Your understanding of neuroscience is woefully incompetent. Statistically significant differences in the brain do not support causation, as some scientists with an agenda like to espouse, nor do brain differences prove genetic cause. It's possible all the LGBT folks just had similar brain injury as a child and this is how it works out. Also, it may be the same for ABDLs, we wouldn't know because no one has funded a study to check.

>There's absolutely no reason to be open about you jerk your dick too.

I believe it would make me happy. Stop judging you privileged asshole.

>There is no diaper fetish suicide crisis.

Source? You ever checked or do you just pull facts out your ass

>If you disagree, literally you're defending pamperchu levels of stupid.

Protip: I think normalizing diaper fetish is only slightly less retarded and socially damaging than normalizing LGBT but, as long as everyone is going to openly enjoy their neurosis and send society to hell in a handbasket, I would enjoy having mine publicly too. I want equal treatment, that's all.

Also, by your Pamperchu logic, if you agree with LGBT needs to be recognized, you're literally defending Jefferey Dahmer levels of pyscho.

>>7287

> Your understanding of neuroscience is woefully incompetent. Statistically significant differences in the brain do not support causation, as some scientists with an agenda like to espouse, nor do brain differences prove genetic cause. It's possible all the LGBT folks just had similar brain injury as a child and this is how it works out. Also, it may be the same for ABDLs, we wouldn't know because no one has funded a study to check.

Every gay person all had the same head trauma… wow are you desperately grasping at straws. No anon, that's fucking stupid. All evidence strongly indicates nature, not nurture. Once again you're taking your personal unqualified opinion and thinking it's more valid then the research.

> I believe it would make me happy. Stop judging you privileged asshole.

Wow, you sound like tumblr. Good job. It doesn't matter if it'd make you happy marching around with shit in your pants all day. But go ahead, keep defending pamperchu.

> Source? You ever checked or do you just pull facts out your ass

If you're going to claim there is, it's on you to prove it, not proving a negative.

> I think normalizing diaper fetish is only slightly less retarded and socially damaging than normalizing LGBT

Ding ding ding, anons once again confirm the real reason why they're so butthurt. It's not about defending idiots like pamperchu. You're butthurt you get banned for saying stupid shit like this.

There's absolutely no demonstrable social damage from normalizing LGBT.

> Also, by your Pamperchu logic, if you agree with LGBT needs to be recognized, you're literally defending Jefferey Dahmer levels of pyscho.

Anon has to equate gays with serial killers. Pretty much taking this as your withdrawal. Anon has left the rails.

>>7286

>You aren't in a relationship with your diapers that requires to be recognized by other people.

True, and I'm sure everyone agrees. No one claimed that being ABDL is EQUIVALENT to being LGBT.

>There is no diaper fetish suicide crisis.

This probably has not been very well studied, but I call this the most utterly disgusting bullshit in the world. If you say this, you are probably one of the people who have just "discovered" ABDL as an adult instead of growing up with it.

Imagine being, say, 13 and discovering that you are gay. This might have a negative impact on your self esteem and you might be afraid how the world is going accept you, but there there is a full safety net of trained professionals to provide you any help you need.

Now, imagine being 13 and discovering that you are actually very aroused by diapers. You don't know why. Probably you try to fight it at first, then give up at some point. You are horrified about the possibility of someone finding out. You will definitely think there is something wrong with you. You are completely left alone in the dark. No one even knows the name for your condition, but they will laugh the shit out of you if they find out.

Now, in which case would you think that you are more suicidal?

>>7286

>The important thing was establishing a biological premise for transgender, that it wasn't just some psychological delusion. Something that doesn't exist for a diaper fetish, which is purely psychological. If you honestly think you were both with a diaper fetish, then you're beyond all hope.

This entire argument is not only extremely weak, but also entirely irrelevant to the discussion. Let's say, hypothetically, a study came out decisively proving beyond all doubt that transgender people's brains diverged at age 2, or 5, or 10 rather than before birth. Would that make a difference to how we should treat them? Would that justify dismissing their suffering as self-inflicted "psychological delusion"? Would that make it okay to have a sticky on a transgender site reminding them in a very condescending way that their experiences are never comparable to those of "real" GSM identities such as gay people and threatening to ban them if they dare to draw any parallels? I can only assume you would condone such a sticky, since that's what you're doing right now.

>There's absolutely no reason to be open about you jerk your dick too.

Hey, at least you admit that you're a fucking retard in the following sentence.

>As it's pretty obvious the redpiller response is "well the homosexuals flaunt their degenerate sexuality".

You are no different to the "redpillers" you hate so much. You make the same arguments, you use the same fallacies, and you are equally wrong.

>There is no diaper fetish suicide crisis.

[CITATION NEEDED]

>You aren't in a relationship with your diapers that requires to be recognized by other people.

No, but diapers are an essential part of any satisfying sexual relationship. It's no different.

> If you disagree, literally you're defending pamperchu levels of stupid.

Pamperchu needed therapy and compassion, not your authoritarian hate-filled bullshit. Also, I'd argue you've demonstrated much greater stupidity in this thread than even Pamperchu was capable of.

>The fucking irony in people's desperate attempts to argue against trannies and faggots they end up defending pamperchu's behaviour.

Hey, look, you're even using the same words as /pol/ now. At least you're being honest with yourself that you're a fucking bigot.

>>7290

>There's absolutely no demonstrable social damage from normalizing LGBT.

Umm, the spreading of AIDS….

>>7290

>All evidence strongly indicates nature, not nurture.

Source? All you say? Sounds like a hasty generalization to me.

>Wow, you sound like tumblr.

Point? Just poisoning the well?

>If you're going to claim there is, it's on you to prove it, not proving a negative.

You made an affirmative claim regarding a negative, thus the burden is on you.

>Anon has to equate gays with serial killers.

Strawman; I equated you (not gays in general) with a serial killer to ironically point out your false analogy. You then misquote me, poison the well further, and make no actual defense of your original statement.

All you speak in is fallacy. You are probably a troll. But, one thing is for certain, the numerous replies make it obvious everyone knows you're full of shit. We just like countering you a million ways so no one that reads this will ever fall for your ridiculous positions should they happen upon then in real life.

>>7292

> True, and I'm sure everyone agrees. No one claimed that being ABDL is EQUIVALENT to being LGBT.

No, that's the point of the sticky. It's because of idiots who DO believe it's equivalent. That's been said by a ton of people in this thread, but idiots are going off half-cocked into a tizzy about their freedumbs since they get banned from these communities for saying shit like >>7310

> Now, in which case would you think that you are more suicidal?

The one who's bullied constantly. And unless they're flaunting their fetish around, it won't be the diaperfag.

>>7294

> This entire argument is not only extremely weak, but also entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

Except that it only came up because it was claimed that it was purely a delusion. Your stupid ass just hasn't followed the thread.

> No, but diapers are an essential part of any satisfying sexual relationship. It's no different.

Oh look, someone in this thread literally saying that LGBT is no different from diaper fetish.

>>7335

> Now, in which case would you think that you are more suicidal?

>The one who's bullied constantly. And unless they're flaunting their fetish around, it won't be the diaperfag.

By the same token, if the fags weren't flaunting around their incessant craving for man ass, neither would they be bullied constantly.

>Oh look, someone in this thread literally saying that LGBT is no different from diaper fetish.

No, he was saying one certain aspect was the same. Damn you love to misquote people, you liar.

>No, that's the point of the sticky. It's because of idiots who DO believe it's equivalent. That's been said by a ton of people in this thread, but idiots are going off half-cocked into a tizzy about their freedumbs since they get banned from these communities for saying shit like >>7310

It is equivalent, in terms of how society should deal with it. Whichever way you believe about social construction to advocate different treatment of sexual lifestyles is hypocritical, which you are.

The big point is on this board, where there are many who find your opinions hypocritical and inane, you are still allowed to speak because, unlike fags, we believe in freedom of speech. You people censor, twist, and lie to get what you want. We use open debate. So, you come here and get pissy when your bullshit tactics don't carry. Well, we need something to keep our debate skills sharp every once and awhile.

>>7335

Also, holy shit, you ban people from spreading scientific fact?

It is well known that anal sex transits STDS faster than any other method of sexual intercourse because the likelyhood of tearing in the rectal walls. AIDs ripped through the gay community first - also well known fact, because of this medical truth.

If it weren't for bisexuals, AIDs would probably not have gained a hold among heteros. You fags literally killed thousands of us and now want to claim no responsibility?

Maybe you should have the right to have anal sex with who you please, maybe consenting adults have the right to take their own risks, but on the macro-scale it is ludicrious to argue that faggotry isn't responsible for the AIDs epidemic. And you idiots go so far as to ban someone just for speaking the truth?

>>7338

>drinking this much kool-aid

I can't wait til President Bernie Sanders bans all your guns, flags, and forces you into gay reeducation camps.

>>7336

> By the same token, if the fags weren't flaunting around their incessant craving for man ass, neither would they be bullied constantly.

Redpills once again equate gay people existing with flaunting it.

> No, he was saying one certain aspect was the same

It's not though, nor is it in the way he compared it.

> It is equivalent, in terms of how society should deal with it.

A diaper board on fetlife is not society. Or you've just given all the insight we need to how autistic you are.

> The big point is on this board

That sticky isn't on this board retard. No one advocating for censorship here, because we don't have the issue that fetlife has with people who literally believe they have "age dysphoria".

>>7340

>Redpills once again equate gay people existing with flaunting it.

Nope. Most of us are fine with fags as long as they keep it behind closed doors. Even when you used to legally beat the shit out of you it was only because you came onto heteros and made yourselves known (although I do disagree with that response).

Russia's law on the issue is case-in-point: Do what you want, but shut up about it. Most of us agree that their law is the just one. Of course, fags clamor and yell about freedom of speech but they don't really believe in freedom of speech - see the positions of fags in this thread and sticky on post.

>It's not though, nor is it in the way he compared it.

Irrelevant. You misrepresented his argument and now, instead of apologizing for your fallacies and unfair arguing techniques you defend based on the fact that you were right anyway, which you also present zero support for.

>A diaper board on fetlife is not society. Or you've just given all the insight we need to how autistic you are.

Never said it was. What the heck are you talking about?

>That sticky isn't on this board retard. No one advocating for censorship here, because we don't have the issue that fetlife has with people who literally believe they have "age dysphoria".

Duh. We know, I was pointing out how your kind won't find much clout here.

>>7335

You have provided no worthwhile rebuttals to anything I posted in >>7294. Let me reiterate:

Let's say, hypothetically, a study came out decisively proving beyond all doubt that transgender people's brains diverged at age 2, or 5, or 10 rather than before birth. Would that make a difference to how we should treat them? Would that justify dismissing their suffering as self-inflicted "psychological delusion"? Would that make it okay to have a sticky on a transgender site reminding them in a very condescending way that their experiences are never comparable to those of "real" GSM identities such as gay people and threatening to ban them if they dare to draw any parallels?

>>7339

Just remember, when the revolution hits, most of the armed forces are hetero and religious. They will turn on you guys so fast it'll make your head spin (source- friends with soldiers). It's not like the gays can take over the army, far too wussy.

>>7342

Very few people believe in freedom of speech. Have /pol/ forgotten about the Nazi book burnings? Even in that post you condone arresting people for stating that they have a certain sexuality.

>>7344

You aren't helping the reasonable side in this debate by coming across as raving bigot who just wants to be free to beat gay people in the streets. Flip the genders/sexualities and you would fit right in on the extreme parts of tumblr.

>>7345

> You aren't helping the reasonable side in this debate by coming across as raving bigot

That's why they're butthurt. They were banned from communities like this for spouting off some extremist gay conspiracy nonsense, and now have ironically ended up defending the worst of the worst of our community because they think they can score e-points in some internet argument against SJWs and trannies.

When back in reality, that sticky is just addressing the people we mock here in the cringe threads. The "ABDL PRIDE!" and "I have age dysphoria, it's discriminatory I have to get a job and support myself" people.

>>7346

>That's why they're butthurt. They were banned from communities like this for spouting off some extremist gay conspiracy nonsense, and now have ironically ended up defending the worst of the worst of our community because they think they can score e-points in some internet argument against SJWs and trannies.

Don't mistake me for someone who agrees with your bullshit.

You are bigoted scum and are just as bad as them.

Let's summarize:

You think:

>LGBT people can do whatever they want and are always the victims

>ABDL people are fetishists, and should keep their gross fetish to themselves

/pol/ thinks:

>LGBT people are all evil conspirators against the poor oppressed Aryan race

>ABDL people are degenerates, and should keep their gross fetish to themselves

I think:

>Everyone should be free to do whatever they like as long as they are not causing harm to anyone else

>Both ABDL and LBGT people can suffer from injustices in society, and making that comparison does not detract from any of their struggles.

>>7335

>It's because of idiots who DO believe it's equivalent. That's been said by a ton of people in this thread

Please do point out these people.

Or maybe I won't participate in this anymore because all we are getting from you is "boo hoo autistic hetero dudes you dig dumpsters and are all like pamperchu" kind of shit which really requires no response at all.

>>7345

>Very few people believe in freedom of speech. Have /pol/ forgotten about the Nazi book burnings? Even in that post you condone arresting people for stating that they have a certain sexuality.

His argument: We equate being gay with flaunting it.

My argument: No we don't, in fact, most of us don't care as long as you don't flaunt it.

Your argument:

>Very few people believe in freedom of speech. Have /pol/ forgotten about the Nazi book burnings? Even in that post you condone arresting people for stating that they have a certain sexuality.

I don't believe in freedom of speech, my argument is against the hypocrites that -say- they beleive in freedom of speech when they actually don't. I believe in unrestricted speech within certain forums, but that's no the issue, the issue is with people who claim to support unrestricted speech only when it suits them.

>You aren't helping the reasonable side in this debate by coming across as raving bigot who just wants to be free to beat gay people in the streets. Flip the genders/sexualities and you would fit right in on the extreme parts of tumblr.

First, said I didn't agree with beating up the gays (reread my post). Second, my extreme belief in my point of view may be like tumblr, but there is a single defining point: I'm not a hypocrite.

I openly admit that I oppose other's lifestyles. I do not argue for universal acceptance or universal free speech. I argue for the righteousness of my position.

The tumblrs and fags claim to be open to everyone but the sticky at the top shows they're just as fanatical about their beliefs as me, they just lie about it.

Hypocrisy is what I'm complaining about. That their views are wrong is one argument. That they are either liars or have an illogical belief system is another. I am only arguing the latter here.

>>7348

>Please do point out these people.

4th post in the thread, then multiple times afterwards while redpills were up in arms about their freedum of spach and discrumenashuns for dere beleefs.

>>6834

You people are just fucking retarded, shitting yourself while not understanding the reason and purpose behind the sticky.

>>7349

>The tumblrs and fags claim to be open to everyone but the sticky at the top shows they're just as fanatical about their beliefs as me, they just lie about it.

That isn't tumblr, it's fetlife. And nowhere did it claim to be open to everyone. Very clearly it's telling people who think they have age dysphoria to go somewhere the fuck else.

You just built up a boogeyman in your head and got all butthurt.

>>7352

So, you're going to finally admit that you're all for gay rights but do not care about the rights of other groups?

Your argument is that, somehow, being gay entitles you to special treatment because being gay in and of itself is righteous?

Please, please tell me you're taking this position.

Otherwise, you're lying through your teeth and claiming to be for equal rights only when it suits you. (Equal has always applied for everyone - what you're now espousing is not "equal" but "special" rights for fags.)

And now this thread has turned into an autistic debate between a few people. Good job.

>>7354

>rights of other groups

>ABDL rights

Hahahaha, kill yourself SJW

>>7367

That's all it was ever destined to be, straight from the OP…

>>7389

>rights of other groups

>the group is abdls

>poster thinks smoke screen of accusing of others of damage control will hide the damage control of their own retardation

But continue with your lememe comics SJW

>>7348

That sticky was made almost exclusively made to tell this fucker and his mountain of sock accounts to fuck off.

https://fetlife.com/users/100292

Though he wasn't the only one. But he's probably the most spotted lolcow on fetlife. There's a few that are worse, can't remember names. But they'd bring up in every thread, regardless of relevance or not. How their age dysphoria is discriminated against, etc. etc. etc.

Some of the worse ones even going so far to be offended by age players who get off to this fetish.

And idiots are staking their righteous indignation on this. And it's fucking hilarious.

>>7405

What screen name is that? ababy_jeffie? Or someone else? Ungulate is another lolcow on Fet that is a fucktard.

>>7396

The best you could literally come up with as a response was "I know you are but what am I"

And you're calling the anti-fag an SJW? Are you crazy, I'm arguing against fags, liberalism and all their hypocrisy and you call me an SJW?

Again, damage control attempt.

>>7405

I agree it's ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than the LGBTQ movement which does the same damn thing in every other sphere that heteros don't want them in. Hence, the anger at their hypocrisy with such a group accepting one lifestyle and hating another.

>>7414

Yeah ababy_jeffie. I'm fairly sure Ungulate was one of the one's I'd see commenting on AB girls pictures accusing them of being models and fakes, raging at them for flaunting their attractiveness.

>>7416

Dude, you're shitting your pants defending the biggest retards in this fetish. Crying giant crocodile tears that we don't love and tolerate their insane bullshit because you have some bigoted hang up over faggots and trannies (seriously, you jerk off to diapers. who the fuck are you kidding?).

Pretty SJW.

>>7417

Such a victim complex.

> h a group accepting one lifestyle and hating another.

Of course you're one of those inbred idiots that think being gay is a "lifestyle".

Both of you dug yourself into a whole of stupidity having no idea what you're talking about. Keep digging though. It's really funny.

>>7421

You still haven't responded to >>7343.

>>7421

>Dude, you're shitting your pants defending the biggest retards in this fetish. Crying giant crocodile tears that we don't love and tolerate their insane bullshit because you have some bigoted hang up over faggots and trannies (seriously, you jerk off to diapers. who the fuck are you kidding?).

Pretty SJW.

The post wasn't in defense of those idiots. it was obviously attacking the hyprocritical BS of faggots hammering those idiots for the same shit they pull. You're all fucking retards, no exception.

>>7428

for you

>>7428

> i get banned for being a bigot to faggots and trannies, it's unfair they also ban other autistic people who disrupt the group!

>>7446

Hilarious, though less easily understood, banning bigotry is itself bigotry under strict definition. Look it up.

If by bigotry you mean the general intolerance of another's views, than the act of banning a person for their intolerant beliefs is intolerant towards them and you are exactly what you seek to ban.

If by bigotry, you mean an irrational, obstinate, or unfair intolerance to other's views, you've entirely failed to prove that others' intolerance of you is unwarranted.

Hence, you're not only a hypocrite but also a bigot.

>>7448

Whoa ho ho look out, we got a big guy here! He's got a dictionary and everything! Argument by definition is the best argument, right?

>>7421

>seriously, you jerk off to diapers. who the fuck are you kidding?

A perfectly tame underwear fetish, what about it? The fact that you insult the fetish on a board for it is pretty telling, though.

>>7448

> *sobsob* w-why aren't you tolerant to my introlerance! I'm not a hypocrite you are!

Haha, you faggots just get funnier.

>>7459

> A perfectly tame underwear fetish, what about it?

You're pretty delusional if you think diapers are classified as a tame fetish. It's not an insult anon, I'm perfectly fine acknowledging my fucked up fetishes. You're the redpill desperately trying to cling to normalcy. Pathetic.

>>7457

Definition arguments are fundamental. If we're arguing whether someone is or isn't something then the definition of that thing is key. Your argument is akin to:

>Whoa ho ho look out, the person's all referring to math in a debate about how to build a cathedral. Argument by math is the best argument, right?

Well, depending on the question at hand, it may or may not be the best, but it's always applicable.

>>7492

>Haha, you faggots just get funnier.

Must be troll, unless faggot is actually calling others a faggot when he's pissed because no one in this thread but him is a faggot sympathizer.

>>7457

>>7492

Nope, it really is tame if you look at it from an objective rational perspective, as it's perfectly realistic, harms nobody, and has lots of reasons behind its appeal. When you think about it, something soft and comfortable rubbing against your genital area is one of the most logical fetishes there is.

>r-r-redpill!

Why are you so obsessed with this? You just look retarded when you use this buzzword over and over. Do you have something to lose from people being redpilled, perhaps?

SJW's on my 8chan? It's more likely than you expect!

>>7606

>logical fetishes

*tips fedora*

>>7606

LOL. "Rational and objective". Looks like I win today's "Spot a redpill. Comfy fedora?

>>7625

>>7634

I don't have access to my usual repertoire of reaction images right now, so just pretend I posted a picture of a stereotypical neckbearded fedora-wearer with the caption "everyone who disagrees with me looks like this" overlaid onto it.

Also, if you want to convince anyone that you're correct, you would be wise to attack the strongest arguments against your position rather than attacking only the weakest using ad-hominems and cheap insults. At this point you're just embarrassing yourself.

>>7643

Engaging with an argument only validates it. Haven't you ever worked with children?

>>7625

>>7634

>le discrediting silly hat maymay xD

As if it weren't already obvious enough we were dealing with an irrational SJW. Hell, when you get right down to it, the fact that it's ad hominem based on fashion of all things just serves to show how shallow and idiotic anyone using it is.

>>7647

It already is validated by the fact that he's completely right, though.

>>7647

I realize I really shouldn't be responding to obvious bait like >>7625 or >>7634, but engaging with valid arguments against your position is the only way to not look like an idiot. You can't just declare that the Earth is flat, and then ignore any counterarguments by saying that responding would validate them.

There is a big difference between responses like >>7370 and >>7343. The former is just a mindless insult, but the latter deserves at least a brief response.

>>7643

> At this point you're just embarrassing yourself.

Says the delusional person who thinks they have a logical and rational fetish. No one thinks they can convince you otherwise, it's just fucking hilarious how desperate you morons are to feel normal while slinging shit at faggots and trannies.

You want a reality check, this is how the world views your "tame, rational, and totally logical fetish"

http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=685721

>Buh-buh vanillas don't count *sob sob* th-they haven't achieved my level of intellect and logic.

You're a freak with a weird fetish. Deal with it loser, because it's only your own stupid hang-ups that convinced you that's a bad thing.

>>7678

LMFAO, you're sourcing a NeoGaf post….

That's like sourcing the National Enquirer

Just remember that in some parts of the world and even in parts of America people view LGBT in the same "That's fucked up!" opinion.

Those same vanilla people more than likely hate the idea of fucking the same sex just as much as a diaper fetish.

>Says the delusional person who thinks they have a logical and rational fetish.

Oh look, the pot needs to meet the kettle again!

>You're a freak with a weird fetish. Deal with it loser, because it's only your own stupid hang-ups that convinced you that's a bad thing.

And here we have it, this idiot has lost this battle and now he's going full on into shaming language to make himself feel better!

ABDLs have been made fun of since at least the 80's when that horrific Springer episode came along. Unlike you I honestly don't give two fucks if anyone accepts the fact that I get off to wearing diapers.

Maybe this faggot is just insecure in the fact that he likes cock?

>>7687

>Those same vanilla people more than likely hate the idea of fucking the same sex just as much as a diaper fetish.

Yet here you are trying to put yourself above them when the overwhleming majority views as much worse, and as no different from pamperchu.

> Oh look, the pot needs to meet the kettle again!

I don't think you know what that saying means.

>And here we have it, this idiot has lost this battle

Only you think that a fetish is a matter of logical debate or argument. I think you're a hilarious lolcow.

> and now he's going full on into shaming language to make himself feel better!

Apparently redpill can't read either. I have no problem acknowledging my degenerate tastes. You're the one desperately trying to claim diapers are normal. This is when the pot is calling the kettle black.

But no no, go on and tell us how diapers are the most logical and rational fetish, and not viewed as the bottom of the barrel by both the rest of the kink community, and even furfags.

> ABDLs have been made fun of since at least the 80's when that horrific Springer episode came along. Unlike you I honestly don't give two fucks if anyone accepts the fact that I get off to wearing diapers.

Which is why you've been desperately trying to rationalize your fetish as the intellectually superior one.

>>7690

>Yet here you are trying to put yourself above them when the overwhleming majority views as much worse, and as no different from pamperchu.

Pamperchu is an extreme example, most ABDLs don't come even close to that. You're using an extreme example to define a whole group of people. The fact is, you have yet to refute any legitimate questions with anything other than "ANY questioning of my opinion means you are literally Pamperchu" this is basically the ABDL equivalent of invoking Godwin's Law.

>I don't think you know what that saying means.

Just remember that LGBT is still considered illogical and irrational in some places, so yes, I'm using the pot/kettle comparison correctly.

>Only you think that a fetish is a matter of logical debate or argument. I think you're a hilarious lolcow.

Only you think that making a sexual orientation an identity is a matter of logical debate or argument. I think you're a hilarious hypocrite.

>Apparently redpill can't read either. I have no problem acknowledging my degenerate tastes.

Oh No! There's that red pill word again! Do YOU know what it means or are you just trying to brush off any dissent with "Oh, they MUST be extremists and red pill sounds evil!"

> You're the one desperately trying to claim diapers are normal.

I never said they were normal, just that I don't give a fuck what other people think about it.

>But no no, go on and tell us how diapers are the most logical and rational fetish, and not viewed as the bottom of the barrel by both the rest of the kink community, and even furfags.

So your whole argument is "Even the other sexual deviants think a diaper fetish is weird"?

Are you sure you want to go there? There are still plenty of people who think the same thing about LGBT.

>Which is why you've been desperately trying to rationalize your fetish as the intellectually superior one.

It seems it's only YOU that's trying to rationalize your sexual identity as the intellectually superior one.

Go back to FetLife and enjoy the progressive, "inclusive", non-hateful circlejerk. Thank God 8chan doesn't buy into this bullshit Social Justice Retardation.

This thread just needs to die already. Holy shit, y'all. Just give it a rest.

To the two people(?) who are arguing: Just stop. You're obviously not going to be able to change each others minds, so why continue to argue about it?

>>7678

You're confusing a lot of different people in that post. I am >>7347, and my views are summarized in that post. I did not post >>7606, nor do I have anything against "faggots" or "trannies". In fact I fucking hate /pol/ with a passion.

If you still want to defend the sticky posted by the OP, respond to some of the legitimate criticisms leveled against it. Otherwise, fuck off back to tumblr and/or /pol/.

>>7694

I'm going to be saging all my posts in future. I suggest others do the same.

>>7694

Woman detected

>>7707

Not a woman. Sorry to disappoint.

>>7608

Cancer, on my 8chan?

It's VERY likely!

Inherent to chans, even lainchan became cancer. source: #lainchan on freenode

>>14061

I've been on chans since early 2007. Sometimes I mimic cancer because of all the jimmy rustling being so allows me to achieve.

If niggas would have listened to that sticky, we wouldn't all be cringing over Stefonee making global headlines. That's the kind of autist this sticky was aimed at. Just stupid littered all over this thread.

>>6904

>In accordance, the overall mortality rate was only significantly increased for the group operated before 1989. However, the latter might also be explained by improved health care for transsexual persons during 1990s, along with altered societal attitudes towards persons with different gender expressions

Maybe try to read your own source unless you're deliberately trying to misinterpret the study to deceive people.

"Mental illness" does not just mean "bad illegitimate thing", there are a huge variety of mental and neurological illnesses and disorders with different causes, mechanisms, and treatments.

There is no evidence of trannies responding to any treatment but transition, they tried everything they could think of for years before the current treatment was settled on as the best available option, if we abandoned every imperfect treatment for the hope that we might stumble on something better then there would be very few treatments left.

They do seek treatment and receive it but that treatment offends you so what alternative do you suggest other than some cope-out "just get over it lol"?

>>7310

>>7338

So does that mean lesbians are fine since they have the lowest rates and trans are fine as long as they don't have anal sex?

>>7342

>Redpills once again equate gay people existing with flaunting it

>Even when you used to legally beat the shit out of you it was only because you came onto heteros and made yourselves known

>made yourselves known

>it's only ok for you to exist if you hide your existence

>Redpills once again equate gay people existing with flaunting it

>>14069

>If trans people had listened to /pol/ we wouldn't all be cringing over [insert latest trans person who looked cringy on TV]

You see what a terrible argument that is?

It's fucking retarded to voluntarily go on one of those TV programs even if you're the most normal ABDL in the world. The entire goal of the production team is to make you look like a freak, and they're pretty good at what they do.

>>14104

If 2 people want to engage in a risky activity, they should be allowed to. It's not as if anyone else can catch AIDS from two gay guys having anal sex. If you're not participating, it poses no threat to you.

>>14101

>There is no evidence of trannies responding to any treatment but transition

There is at least one study where anti-psychotics were used effectively, but it's not really enough to be conclusive.

The real crux about mental illness is that the patient has to want to get better. Most trans don't want to stop being trans, they want to stop being the 'wrong' gender, hence cosmetic surgery is opted for.

Besides, psychology isn't about 'curing', it's about getting people to the stage where they are able to cope with their problems.

>>14110

> You see what a terrible argument that is?

No, because there is no equivalent to Stefonee, the type of retard that sticky was meant for. People were lining up to lick Caitlin Jenner's newly minted cunt.

> It's fucking retarded to voluntarily go on one of those TV programs even if you're the most normal ABDL in the world. The entire goal of the production team is to make you look like a freak, and they're pretty good at what they do.

Which is why they shouldn't, and claiming you're "trans-age" was just the added level of craziness to get this picked up around the world.

>>14111

[citation needed]

>>14118

Here's one that cites a transgender who received anti-psychotics for a different problem which led him to view his previous transitioning as a mistake:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11605311

>>14118

>No, because there is no equivalent to Stefonee

Given that the metric is "how crazy they seem", it's entirely subjective. There are millions of people who would think a trans-gender person is just as deluded and deserving of ridicule as a "trans-age" person.

Playing oppression olympics has always been fucking stupid and will continue to be fucking stupid for the foreseeable future.

>>14111

There are two ways of looking at transexuality. One is a mental illness: "wrong brain, right body". That's stupid because the person is the brain, not the body.

The other is a physical illness: "right brain, wrong body". That's where transitioning comes in. The problem with transitioning is that the technology is nowhere near advanced enough to offer satisfactory results.

>>14121

> That's stupid because the person is the brain, not the body.

The brain is often wrong.

>>7186

You get it, thank you for being a sane person

>>14111

>There is at least one study where anti-psychotics used effectively

Yes one study, a case study, so one person who had co-morbid conditions with mental retardation and questionable dysphoria in the first place.

Transition brings the mortality rate in-line with the general population, that is an extremely effective treatment and to suggest that we abandon it and try perpetually doping them up on anti-psychotics based on an anecdote is either blatant frightening stupidity or an agenda.

I mean you don't take this policy with all treatments do you? Just the ones that offend you like transition?

Once again mental and neurological illnesses and disorders are not a single monolithic condition that you just need to "get over" but a variety of issues with differing treatments with therapies and medications.

Anyway whether they just "don't want to stop being trans"(is that based on any research or data or just your feels?) is irrelevant if it can't be changed since medical treatment is based on best results and relief of suffering, not on fitting some internet armchair psychologist's perception of normal and acceptable. Transition is statistically effective, other treatments are not, you whining that you think it should be different and they just don't want to do things your way does not change that reality.

>Besides, psychology isn't about 'curing', it's about getting people to the stage where they are able to cope with their problems

And that is exactly what transition does, you simply insist that we should abandon an effective treatment because you FEEL like there must be a better treatment out there.

>>14122

So is the body.

>>14138

>proposing alternate treatments be investigated means we should abandon all other avenues of treatment.

nice misrepresentation/strawman.

And I do hold that alternate treatments should be investigated to the point of feasibility in the hopes of finding a better fix for any given disease, mental or otherwise.

finally, the statement that post-op suicide rates are in line with 'normal' rates is a blatant lie. They are still significantly higher than 'normal', albeit lower than pre-op.

The primary factor(according to http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf at least) appears to be how well they pass for their chosen gender, which having the cosmetic surgery does factor into.

>>14144

There's no big bad conspiracy bullying and disappearing scientists to stop research, there's just no evidence-based avenue for research on an alternative treatment and nothing else they're tried has been nearly as effective as transition so the "alternative research" generally just focuses on questioning and attacking the current treatment and legitimacy of trannies in general instead of offering alternative treatments, because there are none. Many including trannies would welcome a "magic-pill" treatment to easily make dysphoria go away but there's no inclination where we could even start working towards such a thing if it is even possible and it would be unethical to deny proven effective treatments to try some guess and hope we find a miracle cure, that is not how research and treatment works and we shouldn't make an exception for this one treatment just because it offends you.

See >>14101

>In accordance, the overall mortality rate was only significantly increased for the group operated before 1989. However, the latter might also be explained by improved health care for transsexual persons during 1990s, along with altered societal attitudes towards persons with different gender expressions

As for your source,

> since the NTDS utilized convenience sampling, it is unclear how representative the respondents are of the overall U.S. transgender/gender non-conforming adult

population. Further, the survey’s focus on discrimination may have resulted in wider participation by persons who had suffered negative life experiences due to antitransgender bias.1 As the relationship between minority stress and mental health would suggest (Meyer, 2003), this may have contributed to a higher prevalence of negative outcomes, including lifetime suicide attempts,

in the sample

>we should be especially careful not to extrapolate findings about suicide attempts among transgender adults to imply conclusions about completed suicide in this population

>The survey did not provide information about the timing of reported suicide attempts in relation to receiving transition-related health care, which precluded investigation of transition-related explanations for these patterns

So not only does the study say it can't be generalized to the overall trans population and mostly focuses on other factors like housing, employment, and discrimination but it specifically does NOT control for if suicide attempts occurred before or after treatment, it's just lifetime suicide attempts.

Do you have some sort or reading disability that prevents you from reading your own sources or are you deliberately trying to misinterpret and lie about data to suit some agenda?

>>14105

Back from your hugbox again after five months? Fun fact: That's exactly what you're claiming ABDLs should do.

>>14127

>completely retarded strawman that claims all ABDLs are exhibitionists for wanting to not be afraid of having diapers in their bedroom, while forcing your incorrect gender identity delusion on people is a-okay

Pretty sure that's the very opposite of sane.

>>14101

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

>>14120

There are millions of people that disagree with the medical community. What a shock, there's also millions of anti-vaxxers. That's why we pay attention to the medical experts. Trans-age, not a concept or possibility, transgender actually has a medical basis.

You're playing oppression olympics by defending shit meant to tell people like Stefonee to fuck off with their crazy bullshit.

>>14163

>getting butthurt over a sticky that tells those whom believe they're age disphoric to fuck off with their self victimizing bullshit because it triggers you're autism over trannies

>>6811

>>6919

Actually, I'm gay and being an ABDL is sort of like being gay.

Similarities:

1) when my parents found my diapers, we had a very unpleasant talk.

2) they asked me to stop wearing because its not natural, not healthy .

Disparities:

3) society at large still ridicules gays a lot more than abdls. But I think that's because there's more awareness about gays now. If it were to be a more underground thing, like abdls, people wouldn't be actively on the lookout for people who might be gay to mock them.

4)I only ever tell my partners that I like wearing. Some are accepting and it's okay. You can't do that with being homosexual, to a girl.

This brings one last similarity into the table:

If your partner finds out and you break up, nothing stops him from publicly smearing you to your closest friends and family by sharing your secret.

All in all, I consider being gay a harder condition. Because people are more paranoid of who you fuck with than what fetishwear item you wear .

>>14178

Yeah, because that's totally what it's about. They're totally talking about "age dysphoria", not saying that you can't be mistreated for being ABDL. Right.

>>14179

I'm not gay and this has been what I thought. That feeling of paranoia and fear of being outed is definitely there. You could be fired from a job because of it , while there are protections for gender preference. And I feel in terms of family ,now it's probably a harder conversation to have as abdl than gay, just because of public awareness

>>14192

That's literally and exactly what they're talking about. Because Stefonee isn't the only retard who believes they're trans-age or age dysphoric, wjatever the fuck theyre calling it. Though I've only seen that term popping up recently the "twue abdls" have been an obnoxious but small presence for a while. And near universally dudes they're dudes in their senior years who take this shot way too far.

It is 100% to tell people like Stefonee to fuck off from making those types of topics.

Anyone who thinks that you should be able to expose your fetish to the outside world should consider seeking help. It is not accepted for BDSM people to dress up in their gear and spank their partner in public, it is not accepted for bukkake fans to glaze a girl in public, it is not accepted that anal stretching fans shove a bottle of coke up their ass in the supermarket, and it is not accepted for diaper lovers to expose themselves in public either.

Some things you just don't do. I have quite a few weird fetishes, but this fetish seems to attract a lot of people who seem to have lost their touch with reality.

>>14179

Well of course they would be similar they are both fetishes induced by childhood events after all.

>>14212

We're taking a clothing and yes thr clothing is sexual but it's still not "glazing a girl", people should at least get away with wearing in situations where clothing that's just as revealing such as bathing suits, bikinis, and Speedos are accepted like the beach and buy them without people talking like they all ready have them on in place where Speedos are not accepted.

>>14210

Not a single word about that in the post, just a bunch of complete bullshit about how ABDLs don't face any hardships over it whatsoever, and that anyone who claims otherwise will be banned. Seriously, it's amazing how clueless and insensitive that post is.

>>14212

But do BDSM people get nearly as harsh reactions if people accidentally find out what they do in private? Seriously, fuck off with this "u all just want to be exhibitionists!" bullshit, because literally no one is saying that. All we want is for people to be able to buy and wear diapers at home without facing the risk of being accused of pedophilia/mental illness, blackmailed, forced to see psychologists, broken up with or anything like that over it if anyone were to find out. Shit like that is EXACTLY what the gays went through, no matter how much the people who believe in oppression olympics get butthurt over hearing it.

>>14342

Nothing about "age dysphoria" there, just oppression olympics bullshit. Maybe there's some issue like that in the Fetlife group, but that's hardly what's being expressed in the post itself. It reads exactly like a butthurt SJW wanting to make sure LGBTs are put on a pedestal even in groups not for their issues, while being completely ignorant about issues that we face.

As has been stated by several people, there are clear parallells that can be drawn between our situation and the situation of homosexuals. Of course we shouldn't flaunt it in public, but neither should we have to live in fear even when at home, when with our loved ones, or when buying them. You're the only one who keeps bringing up exhibitionism and shitting.

>>14350

Because that tumblrtastic term is their new buzzword, but it's the same shit as it was 3 years ago when essentially the exact same post I linked was made.

> Maybe there's some issue like that in the Fetlife group, but that's hardly what's being expressed in the post itself.

So retards like you unaware of the issues of the group should, I don't know, make an effort to figure out the context. Or when told the context take a second to reconsider how retarded this entire thread is?

Just a thought.

> It reads exactly like a butthurt SJW wanting to make sure LGBTs are put on a pedestal even in groups not for their issues, while being completely ignorant about issues that we face.

And it's not fuckface. You're just some triggered retard going off because you misunderstood what was being said. It's an exasperated moderator telling people like Stefonee to fuck off. That they aren't a persecuted minority for wanting to be "ABDL pride" and wearing their diapers and babyshit in public.

> As has been stated by several people, there are clear parallells that can be drawn between our situation and the situation of homosexuals.

Which has nothing to do with the post. Unless you're going to start arguing for exhibitionism, then you're complaints are completely useless, and once again, do not apply.

Of course there's some parallels to sexuality outside of hetero sex in the missionary position being treated as freaky and whatever. That's not what that post either of the stickied posts in this topic now are addressing.

> Of course we shouldn't flaunt it in public

Well that's what the post is addressing.

> but neither should we have to live in fear even when at home

Literally no one is arguing that. How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that an ABDL group on fetlife is telling you to be ashamed of your fetish in private? Seriously, how fucking dumb are you to come to that insane conclusion?

> You're the only one who keeps bringing up exhibitionism and shitting.

Because that's what the posts are addressing!

>>14351

>i-it's actually about these living strawmen that weren't remotely mentioned in the post, despite supposedly being the entire point of it!

Damage control and blame the readers all you want, but that mod has a serious lack of basic communication skills at best. When it comes to people like that, it's as easy that pointing out that diapers are underwear, and that you're not supposed to walk around in public with your underwear exposed.

>>14353

Damage control? For what? Yes yes, this is a gigantic conspiracy to uh… what exactly? Neither of those posts were meant for anything beyond communicating to members of the group who would be so fucking dumb, to fuck off.

No no, it's everyone elses fault you're a fucking retard who took something out of context, had people all over this thread tell you the context, and continued to sperg because you had some idiotic SJW notion that you had to valiantly fight against on a board that primarily used to jack off to. Congratufuckinglations anon, do you want a cookie?

People that far fucked are completely unreasoning. Stefonee is not in anyway unique, only in actually grabbing headlines. I mean for fuck sakes, are you new or did your desperate lust to put an SJW in their place make you so fucking retarded yourself you forgot about how cringey, embarassing, and downright psychotic people can be in this fetish. They don't respond to reason. They honestly believe they deserve to live as babies, and that because they can't wear diapers and baby clothes 24/7, that they are being oppressed just like fags were kept in the closet. So you tell them no, do not make those threads, stop trying to bring it up in threads constantly, and stop whining that telling you not to is oppressing you, you'll just be banned.

2 posts, 3 years apart on different groups from different people. Same fucking dissmissive language and message. ABDL is not like being gay (and the latter adding transgender), knock it the fuck off, we'll ban you if you make those topics.

It's your stupid ass fault for not going to the group and asking about clarification before valiantly declaring your opposition to some dumb shit you misread.

The cherry on this shit sunday is you're just as bad as SJWs for throwing a shitfit for something you didn't understand and didn't make any effort towards understanding. And when confronted with being wrong, you make yourself the victim by blaming others for not catering a message not meant for you, so that you personally would approve of it's wording.

>>14339

Implying people don't break up over other fetishes…

>>14360

>implying anyone would go to a shitty group run by SJWs

Keep up the damage control all you want, but the message is what it is.

>>14363

Congratulations, now what about the rest?

>>14383

Too bad it does, eh?

>>14399

Yes sweetie, you completely embarrassed yourself for apparently months on end and are now trying to save face by transfering your actions on to others as a childish way of misdirecting. You are in full damage control, hoping desperately you'll have the last word in the thread to feel like you've won some points in a pathetic internet ego game.

Good job anon. Tag your it.

Some of you people are just pathetic.

it is a fetish, get over yourself. We don't need people to represent us, we don't need any "rights" and we are not being persecuted.

When I see discussions like this I often wonder how some of you are doing in the real world.

>>14399

Different anon. You're a joke. Shut the fuck up. Thanks.

>>14464

Funny words coming from the one who got so BTFO by everyone here he left the board for months and called this place "shitchan" out of butthurt. By the way, your samefagging in >>14483 and >>14526 is obvious.

>>14564

Yes anon, everyone is a samefag! There's no way you could just be wrong, despite the overwhelming evidence of your dumbfuckery.

No it's a conspiracy of samefags, just like it's a conspiracy of damage control to uh… <data not found>

It's just inconceivable that you're an idiot who misread a post, and threw a shitfit in this thread while everyone else pointed out how moronic you're being.

It's everyone else's fault that you took no effort to understand a post before marching over here to announce your righteous indignation and pathetically desperate need to pwn the SJW boogyman on a board that primarily jerks off to diapers. You had to show them who's boss, and aren't in anyway compensating for your own personal social and intellectual ineptitude.

Yes anon, there couldn't ever be more then one person who thinks you're a fucktard. Tag your it.

>>14570

There are plenty of people who agree with OP in this thread.

To me it looks like you're the one calling everyone else "samefags".

>>14634

Funny how you go from screaming "redpiller" at everyone to claiming that it's all about people using Tumblr terms.

>>14672

Nope, that's still a different anon. But apparently you've been the same faggot all along and are probably the OP. Also funny how you're still 100% wrong and are now pouting about how there's conspiracies of same fag and running damage control for <still not found> instead of you just being a massive douchenozzle.

Tag, your it again.

So much tension in this thread… Can't we all just wear our diapers and be happy?

>>14675

Imagine being this butthurt that people don't care about some random Fetlife group. Nobody cared about it before this thread, nobody cared about it after seeing it was run by obvious SJWs, and they definitely won't care about it any more after seeing that faggots like you go there. No matter how much you scream and cry, the fact that the administration there gives off a terrible impression to the rest of us won't change.

>>14680

Anon, you made a thread and have apparently been whining for months about a stickied rule post you didn't understand because you were blinded by your neckbeard and desperate need to feel important by arguing with SJWs on the internet. It's pathetic how hard you want that post to be something it's not, just so you can feel some sense of minor accomplishment in life.

But you're not exactly in a position to throw around accusations of caring too much. I'm just enjoying watching you continue to froth and flip out after being so damn wrong. It's fucking hilarious how much you care. Did you get banned a couple months back anon? Is that why you're so buttflustered and desperate to sell this alternative narrative? Was the little newfag hoping for a personal army?

Tag, you're it again.

>>14682

Yeah, all posts in this thread not agreeing with you are the TC, aren't they? Surely it can't be that most of us think you're full of shit, right?

Fun fact: The only ones whining are the apologists (i.e. you) getting butthurt that people don't like SJW bullshit. And would you look at that, you're making the same accusations as that moron flipping out over people not thinking trannies are the most oppressed.

>>14689

>Most of us

It's just you anon. I've shown you my posts, you're the one concocting a conspiracy apparently 3 years in the making to be out to get you and prove you're dumbfuck retarded.

There's nothing SJW about it, it's telling crazies to fuck off as demonstrated. Your stupid ass just sperged out without being an adult and asking what it meant. And are now crying to us about it hoping we'll all grumble and join your little crusade.

Tag, you're it.

>>14690

>there's nothing SJW about threatening to ban people for suggesting people can and are persecuted or face any hardships whatsoever over being ABDL, because only LGBWTFBBQ are ever oppressed

Considering you're accusing everyone calling out this bitch of samefagging, it's pretty clear you're the one with the conspiracy theories.

If you're new to the thread, try actually reading it through so you can see why it was such an ignorant and inflammatory statement (albeit it really should be obvious just by reading it), rather than just walking in like a smug cunt and trying to excuse it by claiming it was directed at people it didn't even do a good job of addressing.

>>14694

Oh you're pretending to be someone new, because you're accusing everyone who laughed at you of being a same fag. I get it. No you're still wrong and repeating yourself doesn't change that it was aimed at retards like Stefonee and you're stupid ass flipped shit over nothing. You're spergtastic ass didn't ask and you marched over here to try and gather a little personal army.

Tag, you're it.

>>14696

Nah, while I may not be the one who made the thread (I don't even go to Fetlife, first of all), I've been in the thread for a while and read what people had to say, unlike you. It's literally only you and that guy screaming redpill at everything that got this aggressively butthurt at people's reactions to that post.

It's been pointed out that the delusional exhibitionist lifestylers played a role in it as well, but the general consensus here is still clearly that the way it was worded reveals a lot about the one who made that post. There are no armies here, just a bunch of people seeing a shitty community for what it is and pointing out why it's best to stay clear of it. You're doing a pretty good job at it too, as a practical example of what the Fetlife community is like.

>>14701

> It's been pointed out that the delusional exhibitionist lifestylers played a role in it as well

Not a role, entire point. That's literally all it's pointed it at is idiots like seen in >>14635 and why there's a near identical sticky post made 3 years prior in one of the other ABDL groups.

You're still wrong, still an over reacting retard, and really transparent. Just warning people? Of what? Of course fetlife's community is generally shitty due to it generally being a hugbox. But your stupid ass is whining about them drawing the line at a group we all can agree are absolutely worthless and retarded.

>>7051

In an evolutionary sense deviance only matters in how it effects the reproductive fitness of the person.

Human civilizations are super-organisms composed of people, however. With respect to this level of organization, sexual deviance matters only in how well it allows a person to interact with others and in turn contribute to society.

That said, I think deviance can be defined as levels of fetishism. Many listed fetishes could exist in all three.

Type I-Minor fetishism: can be suppressed or ignored whenever inconvenient. Minimal difficulty integrating because these people can often hide their fetish most of the time.

Type II-Lifestyle fetishism: exists in one's life outside of sexual contexts. Moderate difficulty to integrate because portions of the society must be made compatible.

Type III-Patho fetishism: involves the non-consensual inclusion of others into sexual or fetishistic behaviors. Easier to isolate from than integrate into society.

>>14706

>fetlife's community is generally shitty due to it generally being a hugbox

A good example of it being you.

I gotta say this thread is the biggest example of garbage dick posting I've seen in a long time, but it simply comes down to this.

Loving another human being gender identity, and having a fetish are so fucking far apart you'd have to be insane to draw comparisons. Like the fucking anime waifu nutjobs who fuck pillows, or bronies dick deep in their rainbow dash fleshlights, "What you feel in your heart" and what actually attraction/ideniity are, is truly miles apart. The difference is your audience of yourself and a fucked up echo chamber of your tumblr, as it turns out is never going to be a good basis for something that is a literal get your dick hard and cum fetish for 99% of the people who like diapers, no matter how hard they deny it. Furthermore, nobody outside this god damn form let alone internet should ever be forced to tolerate your bullshit weirdness. and anyone who mocks, ridicules, hell doxx

es your ass to getting you fired from a job, is only the universe itself working in its natural order. In short, get fucked.

>>14853

Why should people be forced to tolerate them in particular when they're literally mentally ill and demanding others play along, while being free to irrationally treat people like shit over a tame harmless fetish that's generally kept to oneself?

ShordySunshine pls, your Tumblr is showing.

>>14853

Exactly, it is a fucking fetish, get over yourself. (Or visit a therapist)

>>14853

As has been pointed out countless times in this thread, different people have wildly different sexual desires, needs, and feelings. There is no single, monolithic "ABDL fetish". You are making the all-too-common mistake of arguing based on words rather than reality, and in this case the words fall so far short of describing reality that they are basically useless.

There are people for whom diapers are just as much an essential part of a relationship as their partner being of a particular gender. You can deny these people exist all you like, but it won't stop you from being wrong.

Now kindly crawl back into the depths of whichever shithole of dumbfuckery you crawled out of.

>>14853

Pretty much this: >>14891

I don't mind trans people because as a non-hetero person I get the whole 'I've felt this way my whole life' thing.

That said, what you and OP's pic are saying is objectively false as being discovered as an ABDL could lead someone to being fired or heavily discriminated against or housing management could decide they don't want you on their property if your fetish comes up in their background screening.

On top of that, following what the person I quoted was saying, a fetish is very equatable to what gender you prefer to fuck. In both instances you can only easily get off to that thing, whether it's dudes/chicks, diapers, or even fucking feet it doesn't matter. The definition for fetish is as follows: a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc.

Let's replace a couple words and see something here: a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular gender. Sounds pretty goddamn similar huh?

>nobody … should ever be forced to tolerate your bullshit weirdness

>anyone who mocks, ridicules, hell doxxes your ass to getting you fired from a job, is only the universe itself working in its natural order

It's almost like that can be applied to LITERALLY ANYTHING including trans, gays, bis, other fetishes, etc.

So how about you rethink what you're saying here and, good god this makes me sounds like a fucking tumblrite, realize that you are actually just being intolerant of something without fully understanding the implications of it.

>>14853

Tranny here, Shut the fuck up.

>>14937

That's stretching it far beyond what the post is addressing. Once again, it only applies to those faggots that demand the right to wear diapers openly, all the time, and screech about being oppressed just like gay people are kept in the closet seen >>14635

> good god this makes me sounds like a fucking tumblrite

I know, fuck off. There's no reason to defend the fucking crazies that even super hugbox PC idiots reject.

>>14960

Once again, the post didn't even bring up those people, it just addressed AB/DL in general. Considering there clearly are SJWs who unironically believe the exact same thing (anyone who's seen an anti-GGer knows about their tendency for diaper-related insults, even though you'd think they would know incontinent people are the hugest sufferers of "ableism"), it's ridiculous to try defending how it was phrased.

Speaking of incontinence, you do realize some people can't help wearing diapers all the time and want public acceptance for that reason, right? You can say AB/DL by itself is just a kink, but incontinent (regardless of whether it's partially or fully) people are literally oppressed from what's commonly the very definition of the beginning of childhood. To many, fetishizing diapers is a coping and peer-finding method for society in general treating them like lepers over their medical issues. Just like gay and trans people need to take a huge risk and come out to others about it to find partners, so do they about their incontinence. You don't see nearly as much support for the incontinent, though, so when you get right down to it, diaper wearers really are more oppressed than homosexuals and transexuals.

>>14960

Classic mott-and-bailey argument tactic.

Make an extreme and utterly indefensible post (the sticky in the OP), then whenever you're challenged, just back-track and claim that you really meant something much less extreme. As soon as you've won the argument you can go back to spouting the extreme and indefensible statements.

>>14969

> Once again, the post didn't even bring up those people, it just addressed AB/DL in general

Once again, that post was meant for members of a group who'd understand whom exactly was being addressed. Your autistic ass misinterpreted it, and ran here to gather your little personal army. Anyone who's been around the ABDL community is aware of these people, you're the newfag that swooped in half-cocked and screeched about injustice like an SJW.

No matter how much you throw a tantrum, the post isn't about anyone other then those retards who screech about ABDL rights. It has nothing to do with people being treated like shit because their fetish got discovered. It's about people like Stefonee claiming they're oppressed like gay and trans people because they can't wear their diapers 24/7.

>>14973

No you fucking retard, because once again there's an identical post in another ABDL group that took place 3 fucking years before the one in the OP. >>14342 Same message, same exasperated tone, same target audience.

Do you think I have a time machine?

> you really meant something much less extreme

It's not my post though. I don't actually give a shit about the fetlife groups. I just think the OP is a massive fucking retard and acting hypocritically identical to an SJW. Trying to muster righteous indignation over shit they didn't understand and made no effort to understand.

>>14986

>there's an identical post in another ABDL group that took place 3 fucking years before the one in the OP

By MissPandaPants… an infamous SJW cunt. So yeah, your damage control kind of fell apart right there. Seriously, why did you think "an identical post from before" would prove anything if it doesn't even actually specify the target audience you're so adamant on claiming it addresses? All it proved is that, yes, exactly as all of us have been saying, Fetlife ABDL groups are full of SJWs and their bullshit. Now stop throwing a tantrum just because you can't handle people calling out SJWs being retarded.

>>14986

>righteous indignation over shit they didn't understand and made no effort to understand

That is a perfect description of your posts. You have made no effort to understand the arguments against that sticky, simply jumping to the knee-jerk response of "LGBT good, fetishes bad".

>>15011

Who made it doesn't change who it was directed at. I don't know either of the posters, I just did what you were too fucking up your own ass with righteous fury to do. Go actually look.

Your concern is trying to rally a personal army to go fight some SJW boogeymen. Mine is to call you a fucking retard newfag for failing to recognize whom the posts are addressing, and not actually making the effort to look and ask before throwing a total shitfit.

> "LGBT good, fetishes bad".

You misunderstood the sticky, so your arguments do not apply unless you are defending retards like Stefonee. No one is making the argument that fetishes are bad, that's even more retarded given the post took place on a fetish social media site in a group dedicated to such fetish. What ass backwards mental gymnastics do you have to go through to think that an ABDL group is oppressing ABDLs?

>>15016

Just go and read the thread again. There's no point repeating what has been explained over and over again.

>>15016

>m-muh Stefonee!

Now this is a boogeyman. You're sounding awfully similar to that guy who was screaming about Pamperchu and redpillers in every other post earlier. Found yourself a new buzzword to play with?

you guys are fedorable

>>15037

>trying to use people's sense of fashion as an insult on a board for appreciating comfy underwear that triggers the fuck out of normalfags

Spotted the SJW newfag.

>>15023

Yeah you already tried calling everyone who pointed out how stupid you are a samefag. Your stupid ass sperged out over nothing because you retardedly thought an ABDL group was saying bad things can't happen because of a fetish. It's incredibly fucking stupid, if you understood the context of the post it's targeted directly at the retards that made and joined this shit. >>14635

Your stupid ass still hasn't gone to look. Because that's what someone who isn't on a desperate boogeyman hunt does, they actually go check the source before jumping on some bullshit moral outrage bandwagon.

If your stupid ass didn't notice the OP directly quotes my first post. >>14342 And I actually went and saw what people were talking about.

https://fetlife.com/groups/336/group_posts/3128537

Your newfag ass wasn't around for the delicious drama. But you didn't look, you didn't ask, let me guess you posted proclaiming your righteous fury instead of asking or reading and got your ass banned, right?

They even talk about how it doesn't apply to shit like being caught or having challenges having a fetish. Just simply saying stop comparing it to sexual orientation, and especially in the context of 'why can't I parade around as a baby in public? You're trying to keep us in the closet just like the faggots'. Because that's what was happening, and has been happening in ABDL groups for yeeeeears.

You're going off half cocked, shitting all over for months on end. And you haven't even noticed the thread got deleted who knows when. Probably cause you got banned due to a lack of basic social skills and are extremely butthurt about it.

>>15059

>>15061

Well, we just keep going round in circles don't we. All of your points have already been thoroughly blown apart in this thread.

If they actually meant something different to what was written in that sticky, they would change it rather than defending it.

I'm also quite confused as to why you're so insistent on defending these people.

>>15063

The only thing blown apart is the amount of autism you unleashed in this thread. It didn't mean anything different, you just didn't bother to act like an adult and get context before stomping back over here to try and rally a personal army over your obvious banning.

You just want to get the last post, and I want to continue baiting you. So tag, you're it again.

>>15047

To facilitate equitable dialogue I think that we accept, as a universal premise, that everyone posting in this thread or indeed any threads or on the tumblrs is a fat, unlovable disgusting nerd with shitty facial hair who will surely die alone.

>>15078

Yes, it's pretty clear that you're baiting. After all, nobody as retarded as you would be posting outside of Tumblr.

http://misspandapants.tumblr.com/post/137244745708/this-pertains-to-anyone-who-has-a-kink-or-fetish

I'll just leave these here.

>>15095

https://fetlife.com/groups/336/group_posts/3128537

The ironing is delicious.

>>15095

Forced penetration is rape. I see no reason to disbeleive her. Sure, I don't agree with some of her political views, and might not like her personality, but there is no good reason to attack her for this.

>>15099

The issue isn't belief of her story. The issue is that she was previously claiming being kinky was not the same as being lgbt and therefore doesn't have a right to acceptance by society or protection from discrimination.

Now that she's been discriminated against, she wants other people to give her money so she can hire a lawyer.

>>15095

Well, you know what they say about the boy who said that wolves don't exist and people who claim to get attacked by wolves are just evil cis-het misogynists.

>>15085

Yeah, probably

>>15086

Stay mad wrong fag, no matter how much you want that long deleted post to be something else, it still isn't and you're still stupid.

>>15100

Nope, you just didn't try to understand the context, threw a fit, and got banned. You're fault for not checking or asking, sorry no personal army for you. Tag, you're it.

>>15100

So because she doesn't see being abdl as being lgbt, she shouldn't complain when her rapist isn't persecuted because she is abdl?

>>15129

That was like absolutely the point. I would correct a few minor details but I'm too busy tipping my fedora and microwaving used diapers.

>>15143

Well OP, that would explain why you're so buttmad you can't discuss why ABDLs shouldn't expect to stomp around in shitty pampers without discrimination.

>>15126

>You're

>>15129

Considering how vehemently she was whining that ABDLs can't be discriminated against, it's pretty ironic how she then ended up getting discriminated against over it. Hopefully she learns from the experience and realizes how ignorant her SJW bullshit was.

>>15143

>>15146

Try making your samefagging a bit less obvious.

>>15153

>No one was arguing that. No matter how many times you repeat it.

Except, you know, those posts you previously claimed were arguing the wrong pint.

She is nothing more than a hypocritical opportunist attention whore.

>>15155

If you're going to get snippy on people's English; you should make the effort to have readable sentences.

She was raped, there's nothing opportunistic about it. You have a pathetic amount of faith in the American judicial system.

>mfw same people that whine about government ineptitude think the courts are perfect

>>15173

And you've had the context explained to you by several people you accuse of being samefagged. It's obvious you're just mad about being banned. That thread doesn't even exist anymore, but it was clarified.

No one was arguing you couldn't be mistreated for having a fetish.

>>15173

Yes, it's all just a conspiracy. You couldn't just be stupid. They weren't arguing for that, you misunderstood context and sperged out. Tag, you're it.

>>15176

>>15181

Hello samefag my old friend.

>>15160

There are organizations, like 2 or 3 of them, that will take this case for free. The opportunistic part of this is that she's asking for money to hire a lawyer when the lawyer would be free.

And again, the most important part of this is that she's complaining she was discriminated against for her kink when she previously stated that people's kinks should not be protected from discrimination.

>>15184

>she previously stated that people's kinks should not be protected from discrimination.

She never said anything about discrimination, she said ABDLs aren't persecuted like LGBT people are, so that comparison should stop being made.

>>15182

You can keep calling it, and keep being wrong.

>>15184

There's only one that I'm aware of, and they don't have lawyers on staff they help pay legal fees and connect with lawyers that will take the case. Then there's an advocacy group that may be beneficial if she intends to use public pressure to have the DA prosecute.

> And again, the most important part of this is that she's complaining she was discriminated against for her kink when she previously stated that people's kinks should not be protected from discrimination.

No one has made that argument; in this thread, those threads, or any ABDL group. Seriously, how inbred stupid do you have to be to somehow think an ABDL is advocating for the discrimination of ABDLs?

That's not even in her OP, you've completely twisted it. Once again, she was speaking solely to ABDL rights faggots who honestly believe they're being discriminated against for not living out their sexual deviancy in public without social repercussions. That's it. That's why there's no discussion on it, because the people who believe that shit are crazy and don't respond to nuanced arguments.

We're going on month 6 of OP being asshurt over being banned. Also, tag, you're it again.

>>15194

And the butthurt broken record goes on and on…

All this circle-jerk bullshit banter is fu king boring. Just get each other off already you dumb fucks.

The topic is one that people with context will get, right? The contest being this shithead here https://fetlife.com/users/100292 being so fucking crazy that he demands workplace abdl rights.

Guy is drowning in crazy. Have you seen his cringe worthy shit lately? It's months on end of whining about being outed except life is perfect. And his fucking psychotic friend to https://fetlife.com/users/126091

Forget about the SJW shit. Look at the crazy people who want to shit themselves at work and be congratulates for being a big boy.

>>15331

I know, it's sad being butthurt over a ban for 6 months.

>>15396

Did you make the sticky in the OP or what?

You seem incredibly persistent and desperate to defend it at all costs.

At best they fucked up the wording and then refused to correct it.

>>15194

>You do not face potentially being fired from a job, being denied housing, face being beaten for who you love, are not denied being in the ICU with a sick loved one, or any other host of harships because you are an ageplayer.

>You are not persecuted nor hated.

>Once again, no one is taking anything away from [you] just because you have a fetish.

According to that sticky, she must be lying. ABDLs do not face discrimination, period. If her case got thrown out of court, it must be for other reasons and not because of her fetish.

Oh fuck you. I'm a different person. I don't even know how to post direct replies on this fucking board or quote people.

Those groups on fetlife are shit, most of the mods are shit, and they create and host shit events where assaults happen all the time. They dox people and repost friends only photos blah blah blah. Shit people running shit groups. Get over your hard on.

Those fucking crazy old guys make the fetish look much worse then some stupid single thread.

-At best they fucked up the wording and then refused to correct it.

Exactly. I agree with you. They also chose random token reps so they can go tell people to fuck off when they complain about something. Now if a trans person, black.person etc says they are being shitty they will point and say no, check out our mods, that's impossible.

The SJW stuff is the icing on the fucking cake. They aren't even SJW, they just pretend to be as lightly as fucking possible while throwing everyone but themselves under the bus at the smallest issue. A bunch of useless cunts who made a policy, worded it badly, and don't even respect the people they made the so called policy for.

>green text fags

>>15400

You're hardly in a position to accuse others of caring too much. No OP it's just about calling you stupid.

>>15439

Yes, clearly everyone but you is the OP. Surely it's not that you're wrong and retarded.

>>15534

Sure are showing us how you totally don't care. Let's bump it back to the top yeah? Silly OP trying to wait 3 days and make a sneaky sage post. We can't have that.

>>15596

>>15534

Jesus christ you fags, just fuck already

Wow, those trannies sure are mad. It looks like reddit/SJWs are tying to co opt

>>15663

The board

>>15604

Tag, you're it OP

>>15663

For your information, I'm both one of the people defending the trannies in the other thread, and also one of the people vehemently condemning the sticky in the OP and arguing against the SJWs in this thread.

Things aren't as simple as /pol/ would have you believe.

>>15670

So you're retarded in two threads and proud of it? You're butthurt because you didn't understand the context of the sticky applied to special snowflake trans-baby bullshit. And then you're ALSO defending crazy trannies who are butthurt straight guys don't want to jerk off to them.

The only thing simple is your brain.

>>15683

Pretty sure he does understand it, just like everyone but you does.

>>15722

Haha, no "he" doesn't. Tag, you're it

>>15740

It's a slow board, sage isn't effective. But just to make YOU mad. Bump.

>>15746

>u mad xD

>>15749

Bump :^)

>>15768

> still not just hiding the thread autism

>>15752

>>15750

>>15749

The samefagging is real.

>>15775

I know OP, you're trying so hard

>>15777

Not OP but yeah since the BO is a huge faggot for not enablin IDs I can't proof that.

>>15782

>deflecting this hard

The game continues. Tag, you're it!

>>15773

sage is specifically for situations where you want to discuss something in a thread, but don't want your contribution to bump it up to the front page.

The OP is fine, but nobody needs to see endless fucking arguments on the front page. If you think your endless fucking arguments deserve to be on the front page, kill yourself.

>>15787

If you don't wish to participate in the thread, hide it. BUMP! :^)

>>15783

Oh my fucking god, your autism is Chris-Chan tier now.

Thank fuck this thread is over.

>>15808

d'awww OP you're trying so hard to get people to stop posting so you can have your last word. Sorry that's not going to happen. Tag, you're it!

>>15817

> Is it the fuck so hard to understand?

OP doesn't wish to understand. He got banned 6 months ago for throwing a shitfit about MUH FREEDUMBS instead of asking about the context of the sticky. Despite having things explained to him several times, after a little while of posting he tries to revive his narrative again.

He's a compulsive poster, desperate to have the last word. At this point it's just fun to continue wasting his time as he froths at trying to get people to stop posting. Thankfully this board is so slow we have a long way down the bump list.

>>15819

Holy shit, when do you stop assuming that i'm OP?

I bet this faggot is actually the OP himself or the BO.

>>15821

Hi OP!

>>15817

>LGTB-rights movement was first and for all created because marriage and the tax-bonus marriage gives couples.

*LGB

There's a wee bit of a difference between being an exhibitionist and not wanting people to have to outright fear being found out by anyone, by the way, in case you didn't notice.

>>15823

The post applies to exhibitionists ABDL rights OP. No matter how many times you try to retell your little misunderstanding that ended in this 6 month temper tantrum, it'll never change.

>>15825

(You)

>>15827

Tag, you're it.

Hi, I am one of the special snowflake's that the sticky was made for. I am ababy_jeffie, and there are many links in this thread that go to my fetlife profile, and groups… I am here to clear some things up for you all.

The first thing that needs to be understood is that while Being a DL is a fetish for all DL's, Being an AB is not a fetish for all AB's. Yes for many AB's it is a fetish, but for others it is an identity issue.

To be clear on this, I started a new fetlife group for age identifying little's, at this point there are only 120 members, but new people are joining every day, which should settle the dispute over whether "age identifying" little's or "age dysphoria" exists… And also dicsounts the comments about there only being two or three of us.

This whole discriminatory mess started a few years ago, in discussions where people where examining some of the commonalities between growing up being age dysphoric and gender dysphoric. Just like in this thread, there were transgender and gay people who are also AB's. Who said that yes, there are commonalities or similarities between all of this, both in terms of societal and in terms of self identification… I find it amusing both then and now, how none of the naysayers even took the time to consider what these gay & transgender people have said.

But really it doesn't surprise me either… As Mako closed down three threads, in the Big Little Podcast group on Fetlife, Where Transgender and gender queer people were also mentioning these commonalities… But these people can not kill the topic… Because it is a real topic, that deserves intellectual consideration.

I have never said that I want a right to shit myself at work, or any of the other lambasted things that have been said that I say…I have never advocated for exhibitionism. Exhibitionism is a psycho-sexual fetis, in which people do push their sexually based king onto non-consenting people.

What I am saying is that there are people in our community, who's regressive nature is a nonsexual identity issue… And just because it may be for you, does not mean that you get to paint the rest of the community with that brush.

Those two groups that have that sticky, are actually the minority in the community. And yes the leaders in the majority of the community are aware of who and what they are.

I personally run the munch/play group here where I live, and I also work with other neighboring munch/play group leaders in creating and hosting regional events… In addition to that I am friends with the people who run Capcon, Teddycon and US Little's… I communicate with these people in regards to vetting people into their events… Yes we all talk about these YABDL/Abdulia people, and the troubles that they have caused for many different people.

None of this stuff is being swept under the rug… The ageism, the three sexual assaults & theft at Abdulia's, the censorship in their groups… Honestly their popularity is less than it was a year ago, and the traffic through their groups has slowed down… There are no current plans for an Abdulia, but Capcon (which they have badmouthed) is about to set another attendance record somewhere around 300 people.

And yes I do see the irony in MissPandaPants trying to defend her legal rights, inspite of being an AB/DL. After denying that AB's & DL's need any protection from discrimination… She has said out right that this stuff never happens… Well that is Karma for you.

To be honest with you all, The leaders in the Age Identifying Little's portion of our community, have decided to not argue for acceptance of our existence… We are just forming our own groups for others like us, our supporters and ally's… And we are planning our first national Age Identifying event.

So the bottom line truth is that while the YABDL/Abdulia clique is growing smaller, and has lost favor in much of the greater community. The age identifying portion of the community is growing stronger, and receiving the blessings of the real leader in the community who actually run munch's & conventions.

If you would like to know more please stop by the Little's Community Yard Sale, which I will be running at Capcon, for the third year. Or check out the discussion panel that I will be sitting on at Capcon.

I am very happy to find this conversation happening here, it's just another confirmation, that all of this struggle has not been unoticed or in vain… OP, you rock

>>15899

>age dysphoric

Kill yourself, you add nothing of value to society.

"Kill yourself, you add nothing of value to society." … Nice… And you offer society what?

I have been a part of the community for going on 25 years now, and hosted my first event in 1996. Currently I run our local munch and play group, that many people enjoy. I work with other munch group leaders, to host regional events. I attend the larger national events, and run the Little's Community yard Sale at Capcon. I will also be sitting in on a panel discussion at this coming Capcon.

So besides telling people to kill themselves, what else is it that you have to offer society?

As long as people like you exist in our community, I will keep standing up to, and pointing out people like you… You represent everything that is wrong in both society, and our community.

bumping for posterity

>>15937

> wah wah I'm so oppressed because of my psychotic delusions.

WOW OP, you're especially pathetic. You really had to run to the pants on head retarded trans-agers. You're so hilariously desperate for your little hate thread backfiring you ran to try and recruit the worst of the worst of the ABDL community to be your personal army, because we pointed out how much of a retard you were.

So if this age dysphoric thing is real, I actually have legitimacy behind me when I say that I don't feel grown up? I'm a toddler and no one can tell me differently. That's how I've always felt. I didn't know there were other people who felt the same way in a non-fetish sense.

>>15956

In fact you should demand special rights because not letting you live as an overgrown manchild is discrimination!

>>15937

>You represent everything that is wrong in both society, and our community.

Why thank you.

Now please step off the nearest cliff. No one cares about your butthurt over being batshit bonkers.

Just like what has been happening all through this thread… For every few people who have nothing of substance to add to the conversation, but only add insults and taunts. There are others, who find a little bit more understanding about them selves, and realize that there are others like them. These are the people who I care about, and when we connect, I could care less about shallow insults and hate culture.

>>15948

>"we"

Nah, pretty sure only you were screaming and crying about people daring to call out SJW cunts. The rest of us find you to be the retard here.

>>15972

There was never substance to the thread. It was just OP bitching and crying about a ban.

>>15982

>ran to trans-agers as a personal army

Oh OP, why do you even sage? This thread can no longer bump. But our board is so slow it'll be a long ride to the bottom. We'll continue our game. Tag, you're it.

(The actual) OP here. I actually haven't been in this thread in awhile. I'm surprised it's still up. I'm too lazy to read all 300+ posts, so I skimmed it. Here's my response to what I've missed.

I will accept your premise that this sticky was made to address the crazies who believe they have "age identity" issues or "age dysphoria." However, intent does not matter nearly as much as the actual text for the topic. "You do not face potentially being fired from a job" is a blatant lie, as is "[you are not] being denied housing." You can always be "persecuted [or] hated" for what you choose to do in the privacy of your bedroom if it's not something most people would approve of. Regardless of what ShordySunshine was trying to say, what she actually DID say is that no one will treat you differently if your niche fetish, which to most people appears to be a combination of pedophilia and scat, becomes public information. This is not true. If I were to ever express the sentiment that my life has been made harder or will be made harder by my fetish, then it would violate this sticky and be grounds for a ban. The fact that ShordySunshine was trying to address one group of people does not change the fact that, in the process, she lies and alienates another group of people as well.

I got into a fight recently with a left-leaning friend of mine because she was convinced that people with fetishes are not being oppressed because she's never heard of such a thing happening. I think this was the mentality of Shordy and everyone who echoes her sentiment. Because there's no big publicized cases of people being discriminated against because of fetishes, people assume it doesn't happen. Shordy likely didn't even consider the possibility that her message decrying age dysphoriacs would offend anyone other than its intended target, because obviously the only people crazy enough to believe kink-shaming is a thing are people who actually believe they're babies in the bodies of adults. Maybe I'm making too many assumptions. It's 5 in the morning and I'm having trouble making a decent argument.

OP again, posting twice in a row after skimming a little more.

>>15817

>Keep your fetish private!

You don't always have a choice. Other people can out you. If someone in the community turns on you, for example. That's the problem.

I don't need ABDL rights, I need "consenting adults doing things in the bedroom" rights. Ideally, it would be something you can't get fired for or have similar opportunities taken away for, but that's a bit of a stretch. What I'm asking for support network of other people who share my problem and can relate to it. Instead, I have a network of people who share my problem but refuse to admit it even is a problem, and they all want to pretend everyone will treat you the same if your fetish is public information.

OP here for the third time in a row. I finally come back to this thread and now it's dead. How disappointing.

>>16327

The "redpill"/"tag" guy probably realized how badly he embarrassed himself and stopped trying to get in the last word.

> OP is honestly trying this hard

I didn't realize the game of your autism was to continue. So desperate for the last word. The post was still deleted months ago you sperg. Now they're just refering to the other thread brought up from 3 years ago.

No matter how much you try to cry about it you'll always be the guy who threw a shitfit for months on end.

Tag, you're it.

>>16382

You can keep trying to rewrite history OP, but it's just you and me. Locked here because you can't help but respond. Tag, you're it