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35e279 No.1063

http://8archive.moe/a/thread/190752/

I agree with the other moderations in that thread, but deleting the poster who links to MAL was unnecessary. It says nowhere in the rules that linking to MAL is illegal, and I do not think it is the mods' job to enforce board culture. It's not like he was promoting MAL or saying, "Here, come check out my MAL list", he was just linking to resources about the specific anime he was talking about. MAL is like an anime encyclopedia so I think using it for that purpose is ok.

9de8e4 No.1064

I must say I have no real idea from where hate towards MAL is. I am bit of a new fag here and have been using MAL only for personal anime list so I have no idea about community there.

That said I disagree with deleting his post. It provided good answer to my post and brought up influence of video games on anime. It was on topic. I can see reason for deleting his second post through.

Also thank you for cleaning thread.

475bc8 No.1066

Trying too hard to fit in. Lurk more or get out.

4d613f No.1070

>>1063
If you really think the information on MAL is worth reading then use archive.today or pastebin or something.

35e279 No.1075

>>1070
It's not journalism, it's just an encyclopedia. I can agree with archiving ANN or sankaku complex, but archiving an encyclopedia page is going overboard.

96ef08 No.1078

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>>1066
This is the same thing telling someone to google on forum is.
There are lazy people which prefer to make a thread instead of googling or lurking but right now every time I google nearly half of forum threads I find only have one post saying to learn how to google.
The same stuff goes with lurk more. He is not trying to fit in too hard. There is no reason for him to hate MAL. Every single discussion ends up with lurk more. I have been lurking for about 3 years and haven't seen anything about MAL besides hate towards it. No discussion, nothing.

If you don's want to see newfags like him simply waste 10 sec more and explain what is the deal instead of writing lurk more.
Don't expect site which earned so much people through gamergate to just listen and believe MAL is bad you should not talk about it or visit it.

e715c1 No.1080

>>1078
Nobody cares about accommodating /v/. In fact, we want /v/ to feel as unwelcome as possible.

That said, I don't really personally have any strong feelings about MAL, it's just another anime tracker with a set of shitty forums attached.

260b08 No.1081

>>1078

MAL is a terrible community infested with the worst kind of people
Their forums are an offshot of Gaia basically.

People resent that. You can use it as a resource all you want, but if you post links to it, even if it's to the useful stuff, /a/nons are going to react how /a/nons always react, they're gonna shit on you.

87ddb7 No.1082

If you want a place where the mods have clear cut lines for what they can and cannot do, >>>/baka/.

c0055e No.1083

>>1064
>. I can see reason for deleting his second post through.

I'm the guy who linked to MAL.

I can speculate as to why the mods are diligent enough to delete individual posts but not to ban me.

Apparently it's more entertaining to encourage the long-time users to reject newcomers and build up a fake sense of collective identity.

This board management strategy is not guaranteed to fail, but I have seen it fail on various forums in the past.

THe key weakness of this strategy is that it ELICITS hostile behavior even from people who are not trying to troll you. It manufactures new enemies and keeps the old ones interested in aggravating you. If you don't believe me, go ahead and keep trying it - see how well it works out.


Best of luck with your board.

35e279 No.1084

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>>1078
I could tell you about the reasons I hate MAL, but it's unrelated since I think it was a proper usage in his case. He wasn't posting his social media stuff or doing a low effort post, it was a fairly well thought out post with references.

I know referencing to 4chan isn't an argument - we are not 4chan - but here is 4chan's enforcement of the rules.

https://archive.moe/_/search/text/myanimelist/
https://archive.moe/_/search/text/myanimelist/deleted/deleted/
https://archive.moe/_/search/text/%22myanimelist.net%2Fanime%22/deleted/deleted/

The deleted instances of MAL links are Ruggarell and other spammers, while links to pages for an anime series are generally allowed. The third link is deleted posts with the string "myanimelist.net/anime" seems to be spoonfeeding of blatant "give me the sauce" requests.

Not a big deal; his thread is still up and in my opinion it is a good thread. Which is why I was sad to see one of his posts deleted in the crossfire of the well deserved deletions.

e715c1 No.1085

>>1082
Go away /baka/, it's your fault for spamming the thread to begin with.

f9ddcf No.1090

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>>1081
Regardless of what you think of the community MAL is valuable as a resource - it's easily the most widely used English anime database and arbitrarily banning it because "muh board culture" is narrow minded contrarian emotional bullshit.

There's a massive difference between anons reacting to it by mocking it and it actively being banned by mods because using MAL doesn't fit some arbitrary subjective ideal as to what an anon should be, and needless to say the latter serves only to rightfully push people away from /a/ due to the demonstrated arbitrary nature of the moderation.

Everyone has to start at the bottom and banning anyone who doesn't act like an ebin /a/ oldfag :–DD will kill the board in the long term. Subjectivity and moderation being functionally arbitrary is what effectively killed many of halfchan's boards - the rules need to be clear cut, explicit, and designed in a manner to remove as much emotional and subjective engagement as possible with the material in question so the userbase can retain confidence in the meidos capacity to be detached from the material being judged.

Doing that much will ensure newfags understand what to do and what not to do and provide them with a framework to understand the validity of any bans or post deletions they encounter so that they can hopefully retain confidence in the capacity of the meidos to be competent. Assuming the meidos spent any real time on halfchan they should know full well why a restrained and explicit set of rules is so necessary.

475bc8 No.1091

>>1082
>>1078
>We want to outline rules as specific as possible to accomodate newfags
Your loss.

475bc8 No.1092

>>1090
Absolutely agree. We must start linking to useful reddit and facebook resources because they can be valuable resources.

35e279 No.1093

>>1092
They can't though. MAL is a database while reddit is a forum and facebook is cancer.

475bc8 No.1095

>>1093
I don't even know why it matters. Just link to wikipedia next time. It's vastly superior to a MAL anime overview without the cancerous reviews and is user moderated. Also if it wasn't for facebook not being a forum, I'm pretty sure those three sites can be loosely and interchangeably described with database, forum, and cancer.

35e279 No.1096

>>1095
>It's vastly superior
It's not. Here's an example.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/23259/Gundam:_G_no_Reconguista
Pros:
-List of voice actors
-List of staff
-Database format
-Plot summary
-Easy to find episode count, season aired, animation studio, genre, and sequels/prequels
-Reviews (possibly con)
-Information about the subgroups

Cons:
-Doesn't summarize episodes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam_Reconguista_in_G
Pros:
-Episode summaries (depending on the show)
-More likely to list alternative version, movie, video game, and manga adaptations
-Easier to find information of the director, writer, or musician if they're famous, and the studio

Cons:
-No seiyuu information
-Less staff information
-Worse presentation of information
-No information about the subs


Overall, I don't see any reason to delete posts to linking to an anime series page. The quality of the information provided offsets the plenty of legitimate knocks on MAL in my opinion. If someone is saying, "Check out my MAL", posting links to their profile, that is pure shitposting but it's a different issue in my opinion.

56b40a No.1097

>>1090
MAL in and of itself is not banned, it's fundamentally a resource and functions fine as that (provided you stay away from the cancerous forums of course). I know a good many anons use it as a personal tracker, I see no problem with that. The reason /a/ got riled up about it (though I'm not even sure the anons in question realize it) is the way he used it, no actual /a/non is going to need a link to the MAL page, a name is more than enough, and thus the post smelt of newfaggotry.

However, this in itself was not the cause of deletion. The reasoning was along the lines of: I publicly announced the thread would be cleaned, therefore everything off-topic had to go. First obviously the /baka/ advertising spam, but the MAL bickering was also off-topic and in order to maintain consistency that had to go too. Purging only those anons who were against MAL was not an option, and combined with anon's arrogance and newfaggotry I opted that the cleanest option most likely to salvage the thread was to excise the problem at the source. I should reiterate that there were no bans issued for anything at this point, though predictably the anon in question would later attempt to continue the derailment and was at that point banned as per his explicit challenge.

21dc05 No.1100

>>1096
Let's not cherry pick. Check out some other shows like the ones that the deleted OP posted with wiki. It's better.

35e279 No.1109

>>1100
It's not cherry-picking. I picked Reco since it is more likely to have an actively edited wiki page, being a popular/"important" show still currently airing. For that anon's purposes, it is likely to be even less informative, since as anime adaptations of a video game, the pages for those 2 anime will be about video games with a short blurb for the anime.

If I had to compare MAL to something, it'd be IMDB. Community and "list" features are shit, but good resource for information.

22423e No.1128

>>1078
3 years obviously weren't enough.

7811fd No.1133

>>1109
>It's not cherry-picking.

In a sense it is cherry-picking. You used one show for your example, and even added your own assumptions as to why it isn't as well covered as the MAL entry even though it's a "popular" currently airing show.

I'd rather promote anidb since it's not filled with advertising like MAL is, but I guess not everyone uses it.

35e279 No.1135

>>1133
There are plenty of other examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate/stay_night#Anime
http://myanimelist.net/anime/22297/Fate/stay_night:_Unlimited_Blade_Works_(TV)

Looking at the 2, it is obvious which is more helpful. The UBW anime doesn't have its own page on Wikipedia, just a short paragraph and a page for episode summaries (a plus over MAL). MAL has a comprehensive list of seiyuu and more information on the production. If you want an encyclopediaic overview on Nasu or ufo, Wiki is better for it, but if you already know what you need to know, MAL is better for speedy research and an overview of the anime itself.

>anidb
Not too familiar with it. I do know its used for HTPC scrapers, though. Personally, I've gotten into the habit of using the !mal bang on duckduckgo. It's my first stop when researching a strange anime, with foolz as the second. Next time, I'll see if there's an anidb bang, and make sure to use it to see what info it has. I probably won't switch to it, though. I'll get flak for this, but I do skim the reviews and sometimes the recs on MAL, and find it informative. As long as I keep in mind the biases, I find it useful for gauging a general opinion. Usually, I find that the general opinion is the same on both sites, although foolz will be more informative of the unique quirks surrounding the fanbase or airing of the show. I don't have an account though, and I never will, especially for /g/ reasons of just not wanting a footprint.

7811fd No.1138

>>1135
Deciding what site is "better" is a bit difficult, (I use neither of them in the first place) but I agree that MAL usually covers all of your pro points nicely, including the subbing entry, which used to be more important in the past.

Still, people might find wikipedia entries good enough for their own research purposes, I don't agree with the "vastly superior" description either, though.

35e279 No.1142

>>1138
True, that was overselling it, they are different types of resources

de4537 No.4046

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