79f439 No.1840[Last 50 Posts]
>banning someone for 3 hours because they didn't use perfect capitalization/grammar
Are you niggers serious? There's a difference between creating rules to reduce the amount of shit that clogs up /a/ like no rec threads/unnecesary tripfags and full blown autistic rulecuckery like this. We're on an imageboard for fucks sake, most people don't use perfect grammar because it's supposed to be a relaxed atmosphere where they can just talk casually about their shit, and frankly if you did enforce this rule properly from just looking at the front page alone you'd have to delete over a dozen posts (>no periods/improper capitalization/etc.).
On top of that just because someone doesn't use proper grammar doesn't mean their shit should get banned and deleted - if people can actually understand what they're saying that's all that really matters, pretty much anyone who's visited a chan before has seen quality posts wrapped up in shit-tier grammar and other glaring flaws. All this rule does is scare off fags who get banned for seemingly no reason (and then find out that the meido didn't like that they forgot to capitalize the correct letters) and drive them out of 8/a/.
5309f2 No.1843
>>1840It's just 3 hours, calm down
aeb8d3 No.1844
This is /a/ and not 4chan, and I don't want to browse a place where everyone can't capitalize I and punctuate properly. Either abide this VERY simple rule, or gtfo.
You should be proofreading your posts once before submitting them anyways. This isn't /b/.
29946c No.1845
>>1844
>gtfo You too, faggot.
e3e10b No.1846
Yeah fuck this. Leave it up to other anons to call him out, I'm not a fan of enforcing board culture stuff. Who cares if someone doesn't capitalize their I's and shit.
d751e4 No.1847
If anything it could be argued that the rules gets to far into "defining what is shitposting" territory.
So, maybe remove the rule but still ban for it with rule 2a as the reason?
bb4b40 No.1848
>>1846True. Capitalization and such is something so minor, it's not worth enforcing by maids. I don't want to get banned because I'm posting from my phone and can't be assed to fix a mistake I made earlier on. Maids aren't grammar teachers anyway.
63ef0c No.1849
Thread has been referenced on /int/. This is more shitposting by them.
Rule is fine. /a/ should hold itself to a higher standard than other boards.
d751e4 No.1850
>>1848Please don't post from a device that can't play 1080p 10bit anime.
0d354c No.1855
>>1848What kind of shit tastic cellphone do you use that it does not autocorrect and punctuate?
bb4b40 No.1860
bb4b40 No.1863
>>1861Sorry /tech/ I'm too lazy to give a fuck about software that respects my freedoms or not.
4d4481 No.1868
>>1844>using capitals for emphasis rather than italics>not capitalizing GTFO to indicate it's an initialismAnon, please, you're really running the risk of a ban under rule 11. Also, try to use /a/-approved language, GTFO isn't appropriate here :^).
>>1848>>1846>I'm not a fan of enforcing board culture stuffThis is really where the issue lies. Moderation for "quality" and board culture should first and foremost be done by /a/nons, not by the meidos.
If /a/ wanted this rule in place they would moderate themselves and push newfags who misspell words and use grammar/punctuation incorrectly to fix their shit, and yet I see no one do this because nobody actually cares enough about someone forgetting to capitalize the first letter of a sentence to push it. I see this behavior with tripfags and rec posts, but I don't see this done with grammar - it's just seems to be a non-issue for the majority of /a/, and yet the meidos moderate for this shit regardless (in a relatively arbitrary manner as well - there are plenty of posts like those which have been banned which haven't resulted in any sort action).
Most moderation in general should really be done by the users themselves rather than board volunteers because the more top heavy moderation becomes the more risk you run of creating a divide between your userbase and moderation by doing something unpopular. If the userbase largely dealt with their shit independently (as /a/ currently does) the only standards for the board that would take hold are those which a significant part of the userbase actually wants, and while some compromise is always necessary to keep the board from being overrun with spam and pointless shit as much self-moderation as possible is really the best way to go.
>>1847This is probably the best way to do it, but bans should only be put in place if it is actually "shitposting" (i.e. the grammar is purposefully bad and/or you can't meaningfully understand what they're trying to say).
Referring to the first ban ("so am I…") if you actually enforced the rule as harshly as that most anons would be handed out a ban at one point or another because they didn't do some basic shit that the meidos got bumrattled about. But as things stand because basic mistakes (on par with that banned post) are so common the enforcement feels relatively arbitrary - I can see plenty of posts on par with that one in threads on /a/ which haven't resulted in a ban or any sort of action, so why did they escape the banhammer while this one didn't?
These sorts of rules scare off newfags and result in the userbase slowly collapsing - no one new comes along (because anyone new gets their shit kicked in by the meidos for not doing something quite like they should when they first post and they don't get any leeway due to >no post history) and the only thing that happens is that oldfags slowly leave for one reason or another which eventually ends up in /a/ dying. I don't want to see that to happen.
88ce5f No.1869
>>1840>banning people for not using "correct capitalization"holy shit my sides, this is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen on a chan
d0d2d9 No.1870
shill
f45609 No.1871
>>1869seriously.
maximum asborger.
e3e10b No.1872
Just saw the update.
In my opinion, it's a pointless rule. Here's 3 threads close to the front page that don't capitlize properly or leave off periods and question marks.
https://8ch.net/a/res/205135.htmlhttps://8ch.net/a/res/210309.htmlhttps://8ch.net/a/res/215851.htmlI'm usually in favor of the mod's decisions, but this is trying too hard. Usually if someone posts like a retard, they'll be called out anyway.
3f05e4 No.1873
>improper use of grammar and Caps
Goddamn u niggas got more ocd and autism than /polpol/
6c1945 No.1874
oh my fuck i cant believe its this bad
708572 No.1875
>>1844This place is supposed to be fun. Not like this mane.
bb4b40 No.1876
>>1868Pretty much nailed it on the head. I agree completely.
e3e10b No.1877
>>1849>Rule is fine. /a/ should hold itself to a higher standard than other boards.That's not the issue here. /a/ should hold itself to a high standard, but the mods shouldn't be the enforcers of that standard. We have moderation already, I like that /a/ doesn't try to be "no rules" like other boards, and the mods here do a good job of staying just over the line between "no fun allowed" vs. allowing unrestrained shitposting. But stuff like this is an unnecessary further restriction.
It's not like 4chan doesn't do the same thing, you run a risk of getting banned if you use a smiley face or reference the wrong maymay, but that's something I never liked about 4chan. If it's in the rules, then great, delete shitposting, but it shouldn't be their business to enforce things that are just board culture.
63ef0c No.1879
>>1877It's better for the rules to be as specific as possible to make sure there aren't any loop holes. For example, would you support getting rid of the "No shitposting" rule? It's also another rule that is up to the moderation's judgement, but is arguably a very nice tool for mods to get rid of shitty posts.
Though I do notice that the mod logs have been recently disabled. I'd like for them to be re-enabled for public viewing ASAP.
Also the thread has been linked on /v/, /int/ and God knows where else. These aren't true anons posting. Thread is corrupted now.
e3e10b No.1880
>>1879Oh no, it's definitely better to have it specifically mentioned than not. I'm just against having it as a rule at all. I'm not an outsider, board owner can confirm if you're able to see posting histories.
a6887f No.1881
The primary rationale for this rule lies in the fact that neither /v/ nor /pol/ nor /int/ have any rules against it, and so if we alone institute such a rule then we're going to create a situation where any crossboarders who are too stupid to lurk or even read the rules are going to instantly be caught out, by a very simple and avoidable rule.
We were never setting out to create '8chan's anime board', we were out to defend /a/ itself. From the beginning the commitment was to prioritize /a/-core above all else, to try and create a place they could be happy with. In short, there's zero point in any of this if we're just creating Generic Anime Forum 23478923.
I recognize that there are some unfortunate /a/nons that have been staring into the abyss too long and found themselves accidentally assuming /v/-tier posting habits; thus the short lengths of the bans. It's not our intention that actual /a/ regulars be caught by this one, hence the ban lengths (most of which are so short the poster doesn't even see them before they expire, 3 hours is the balance we ultimately settled on as a result). It's also the reason I updated the announcement encouraging anons to recheck the sticky, it's not something regulars should be accidentally caught by if we can help it.
Also as an aside you'll note every one of the bans in the OP also do something else catastrophically wrong and could have been nailed on something else as well. One thing I've noticed is that low quality threads are almost always accompanied by shitty grammar, codifying this as a rule enables more mechanical quality enforcement with less ambiguity.
63ef0c No.1882
>>1881BO, could you re enable the logs?
https://8ch.net/log.php?board=aOtherwise, good work on what you're doing.
a6887f No.1883
>>1881*low quality posters and threads
03ce34 No.1884
>"Posts should in general use correct capitalization and grammar and not use emoticons, this isn't IM."
Run on sentence.
>"Global rules apply."
Sentence fragment
>"…I suggest you lurk more and familiarize yourself with it."
Ending a sentence with a preposition.
>"…help update them"
Ending a sentence without a period.
>"Porn and lewd have to be spoilered."
Using an adjective as a noun.
f45609 No.1885
a6887f No.1886
>>1882There's three reasons I haven't:
1) When I was first promoted to HM my first priority was to excise the constant meta drama that had been suffocating /a/. When I look at literally every other board that has enabled it I'm seeing constant drama continually crop up over entirely innocuous things, and anything that subjects /a/ to more meta is cancerous in my opinion. Claud already tried allowing it in and trying to appease them, it didn't work and ultimately cost us a maid. I am trying to avoid repeating past mistakes if I can.
2) The logs for whatever reason include stupid things like 'x maid dismissed y report', which taken on face value may be taken by meta posters to mean we 100% condone whatever it was. Putting aside there may be situations where we decide the best course of action may be 'wait and see', we're using our own report paging system that continually annoys us about reports until we hit the Dismiss button.
3) The logs nail down precisely which maid did what, which I'm not a fan of. In my opinion moderators should be anonymous and act as a single cohesive entity, I feel antsy about things that may fracture that. If one of the maids does something out of line I can (and occasionally do) privately pull them up on it. If I could I'd also reduce the bans page to refer to both owners and volunteers as 'Anonymous', I believe quite firmly in shared responsibility, this should be a team at work, not a collection of individuals.
1ecaa8 No.1887
>>1886It's still going to cause drama though perhaps less. It also hurts /a/'s reputation as being sekrit club. It does provide security and does deter drama originating from specific things within the logs but not necessarily does it deter reputational drama of closing it up. With the rise of support for less moderated boards, it's going to be apart of it. But I dunno really.
03ce34 No.1888
>>1886>"There's three reasons I haven't:"This is an incomplete sentence.
>"Claud already tried allowing it in and trying to appease them, it didn't work and ultimately cost us a maid. "This is a run-on sentence.
>"…may be 'wait and see', we're using"The comma should be to the left of the apostrophe.
>"In my opinion moderators should be anonymous and act as a single cohesive entity, I feel antsy about things that may fracture that."This is a run-on sentence.
63ef0c No.1889
>>1886Fair enough then.
So long as /a/ moderation does their best sticking with these guidelines the best they can, you'll see no complaints from me.
14dc90 No.1890
>>1881>The primary rationale for this rule lies in the fact that neither /v/ nor /pol/ nor /int/ have any rules against it, and so if we alone institute such a rule then we're going to create a situation where any crossboarders who are too stupid to lurk or even read the rules are going to instantly be caught out, by a very simple and avoidable rule.my fucking sides 4ae8a5 No.1891
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>>1881This, keep /int/ out.
1ecaa8 No.1893
>>1888Are you trying to imply that the Board Owner doesn't adhere to his own rules on grammar or something?
000000 No.1894
This is dumb and already covered under rule 2. It's more trouble than it's worth.
a6887f No.1895
>>1884I agree it's a bit of a hodgepodge, having been altered by multiple different people over time, some of whom may not have been native English speakers. I'm also quite guilty of run-on sentences, though things on that level are well beyond the scope of rule 11. Really, the entire thing is in need of cleanup/rewrite.
That said,
>>"Porn and lewd have to be spoilered.">Using an adjective as a noun.Lurk more.
Anyway I'm not about to get anal with grammar, this is fundamentally aimed at those who fail to put even the slightest effort into their posts and type like it's IM. The important part is making sure that /int/ & friends feel unfairly treated and discriminated against. The fact /int/ is already upset and has a thread up whining about it tells me we're on the right track.
e3e10b No.1896
>>1886>>1895Seems reasonable but I hope we're not heading into a paranoia thing like the other boards. The thing I like about 8/a/, is it is slow, but it is cozy. You don't have people bitching about SJWs or shadowy conspiracies all the time. I'd hate to see that go away with paranoia. I don't think crossboarder posting has generally been a problem, except for the fact that this is 8chan and everyone here is technically probably a crossboarder.
6f765a No.1897
>>1881I like this idea, but the rule feels too broad to me. I appreciate the "in general" and mod discretion as mitigating factors, but I still worry. As
>>1868 says, this doesn't seem to be an issue for the userbase on the same level as trips or recs. As such, I think mods should drag this one out when the situation really calls for it, which, to be fair, you do seem to reassure in
>>1895. It's an overused anecdote, but no one thought e. e. cummings was incompetent because of a lack of capitalization.
3f05e4 No.1899
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GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW
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4d4481 No.1902
>>1881Given that they're doing something else catastrophically wrong they should be banned for that instead, rules regarding proper grammar are really just too much. Regardless of what you believe /a/ should be, self-moderation is the way to go in this regard as it allows /a/ to decide for itself what it wants to be, not some meido (or other individual) that wants to push their vision for /a/ upon the users. That's how you keep a community healthy and make it grow organically - the users set the standards themselves, and as the only standards that take hold are those which are popular the majority of the userbase ends up happy with the way things work.
Everyone has different ideas regarding what /a/ ought to be, so it's wise to recognize these differences and act to provide the board with a basic set of rules that most people can agree upon to ensure quality and just let /a/ take itself in whichever direction the userbase sees fit. You shouldn't try to guide or pull it towards some ideal (like keeping filthy crossboarders out of /a/) as doing so inevitably leads to infighting - you just encourage /meta/-tier drama and divide the userbase by isolating people who don't agree with the changes.
If people don't want 8/a/ to fit your ideal then pushing that ideal will just drive users away, and if they do want 8/a/ to fit your ideal they'll do it themselves regardless of whether or not you do intervene. You can't force /a/ in a certain direction; all that does is run the risk of killing it. Let /a/ decide for themselves what they want to be - that is how we'll evolve beyond just being viewed as a 4/a/ clone kept afloat by /v/ and the rest of 8chins.
>>1886You can turn off usernames for the public action log so you wouldn't be able to see who it is (e.g.
https://8ch.net/log.php?page=1&board=pol). If you do enable it link it in the sticky/header as well, I can never remember the url for this shit.
>>1889This is how things should generally be run. Be invisible, moderate for spam and undeniable shit content/posters, let users decide for themselves what is appropriate within guidelines (keep it weebshit), don't circlejerk/conspire behind the scenes. And try discuss any ideas for moderation changes here to get a feel for what people think in the future before putting them in place (and throw a link up in /a/ or some shit so you get more regular anons and not just the whiny faglords like me who latch onto meta drama).
>>1895Most /int/-tier posts can already be caught under no shitposts. That being said, a lot of people talk as if it's IM because, in fast threads particularly, half the time it is like IM. You have a number of people all talking at each other who want to say what they need to say quickly because if they wrote up some detailed shit the person they're talking to would be gone by the time they're finished. They want to have a spergy little conversation, and looking at threads like r/a/dio this shows up a lot. I really think the egregious examples that should actually be targeted can just be caught under the no shitposts rule.
b6a405 No.1903
>>>/sadpuppies/ here,
/a/ WHAT IN THE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Enforcing rules on proper uses of grammer, puntiation, and spilleng on an imageboard about pretty animu grills.
A re you kidding me?
I feel bad for you,
Watemote bad for you, son
75d69c No.1904
Seriously board owner of /a/ needs to be removed. They're a fucking no fun allowed joke.
75d69c No.1905
>>1904Also, don't forget that
>>>/anime/ exists as an alternative.
1abdad No.1906
oh god the cancer holy shit kill yourselves champs
0d354c No.1907
>>1904Yes! Yes! Leave this board!
1b0a3d No.1908
THREE HOURS
THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
1b0194 No.1910
>>1840At least /jp/ is under new management. Well see how that goes.
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34c274 No.1914
>>1913>EXODUS>X>O>D>U>SYeah, if that's the kind of posting I can expect from /am/, I'll just stick to /a/.
bb4b40 No.1915
I still don't like a grammar rule, but if it mainly exists to catch crossboarders and piss /int/ off. Keep doing it. As we can see in this thread, it's working.
4d4481 No.1916
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34a818 No.1917
>>1881Fucking based. Don't negotiate with shitposters, we saw what happened with Claud. Just ignore them and continue enforcing the rules. If you're pissing off cancer, you're doing something right.
926dff No.1918
I'm perfectly fine with maids enforcing the rule written on the top of the page. If you're too lazy to read and follow them then you get whats coming to you. Seriously, three hours isn't very long at all and it helps keep the no effort posts to a minimum. I personally feel that it helps keep the quality of the board up and fully support the maids decision.
29946c No.1919
>>1917
>we saw what happened with ClaudHe got BTFO by the /pol/ anon and ran away with the tail between his legs like the little bitch he is?
34a818 No.1920
>>1919>He got BTFO by the /pol/ anon and ran away with the tail between his legs like the little bitch he is?He tried to respond in a civil manner to the autistic /pol/ shitposter who kept spamming /a/.
29946c No.1921
>>1920
>spammingAll he did was make a single thread daily where he tried to justify himself to the anons present there. And he even apologized for it later saying he only did that because he was angry with the unjust ban given to him.
d751e4 No.1922
>>1921>All I did was make a single thread daily where I tried to justify myself to the anons present there. And I even apologized for it later saying I only did that because I was angry with the unjust ban given to him.>I'm still butthurt and not even /pol/ likes me 7d9ed7 No.1923
>>1921Who cares? I'm permabanned from 4chan because Troid's a dick but I don't make a daily thread there whining about it. At least Claud was civil and prepared to discuss the issue.
29946c No.1924
>>1922I'm "c05912" from the other thread about the sitewide raids that have been happening lately.
I've been in support of him for a long while. We are just like-minded, what can I say. The moment all of the stuff involving him happened was the moment I gave up on 8/a/ and went back to using only it's cuckchan's counterpart. I still don't regret my decision. I like discussing things with you guys here on /ameta/ though.
29946c No.1925
>>1923
>permabannedLearn to reset your IP, kiddo.
63ef0c No.1926
>>1925Well, that's not going to help! Verti needs to namefag everywhere he posts like the pathetic faggot he is, since he's so attached to his identity on an anonymous image board.
000000 No.1927
Thread hijack
because Tor users can't start threads.
(This is actually a problem.)
d751e4 No.1928
>>1927It's an anonymous image board for Chinese cartoons, not a darknet hideout for political dissidents. I'm sure you'll survive posting without Tor.
e3e10b No.1929
>>1923>>1926Why are yurifags so eternally butthurt? Girls don't have dicks to rape them with.
29946c No.1930
>>1928He has good reasons to be paranoid about it even on /a/ if he likes loli or some shit. I always try to refrain myself from commenting about loli on cuckchan's because of the Joogle botnet. Plus, it's annoying to keep switching between normal browsing and Tor every time you want to make a post in another board.
e3e10b No.1931
Tor can't post images so you can't be able to make threads with it anyway.
29946c No.1932
63ef0c No.1933
>>1929Couldn't care less about yuri. Verti's still a faggot though
29946c No.1934
63ef0c No.1935
>>1934/a/non who got permab& from 4/a/ for ban evasion under a trip. You'll mostly see him crying about it on here and the /irc/ board.
Idiot wants to keep posting on 4/a/ since he invested so much time into it, but he's a tripfag that cares far too much about his rep to stop posting with it. I make it my priority to report his posts whenever I see them on /a/.
You'll be able to detect who is by how obsessed he is with the mod who banned him at 4/a/, Troid.
Look hard enough and you might find a video that was going around on the aftermath of him getting banned. It's quite the watch
29946c No.1936
>>1934What did he get permab& for?
But anyway, if this has any relation to cuckchan's /a/ moderation being shit, it doesn't surprises me. I've been aware of that for a long time. But they aren't enforcing SJW policies on the board yet like some people were trying to claim here; they allow loli threads and some /pol/-tier posts and threads there which would be deleted and banned on 8/a/ in contrast. They're kinda biased towards people who are critical of fujoshits though, probably because of the /cgl/ landwhale mod which the other anon was talking about in the thread which got deleted there.
29946c No.1937
>>1936Damn, misquoted:
>>1935 e3e10b No.1938
>>1935I see no evidence he is a tripfag
34a818 No.1939
>>1921>he wasn't spamming, he just kept making the same "fuck /a/" thread daily>defending nigger behaviorHello /pol/tard.
34c274 No.1940
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>1935Verty is the faggot crying.
34c274 No.1941
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>1933>>1934>>1935Can we just take a moment to laugh at him?
34a818 No.1943
>>1927Oh and thank you for not letting tor users make threads, maids. To be honest, you should just remove the ability for tor users to post on /a/. We did it on /svidya/ and all we lost were half a dozen shitposters who very publically and very obviously used tor to shitpost.
63ef0c No.1944
>>1938You didn't look hard enough
>>>/irc/1739>>1941>>1940Yeah, I didn't want to post it to spare him, but since you did, I'll gladly laugh with you
>there's literally no point in posting on 4chan if you're not a tripfagRemember to always report ban evaders when you're on 4chan!
29946c No.1946
>>1939If he was a nigger he wouldn't take responsibility for his actions. He apologized for it.
Also, you have a loose definition of what "spam" really is.
>>1940>>1941I don't feel like wasting time listening to autism in video format. Can you just tell me what did he get banned for?
190e3a No.1947
>>1946He was a faggot of the highest degree and everyone except shitposters using "free speech" to hide behind was happy as fuck that that faggot got what he deserved.
7d9ed7 No.1948
>>1925Troid is a paranoid dick, he will ban anyone in my IP range or anyone that he thinks is a particular person. He thinks I'm "anticrackfag" which is hilarious because while I am involved in scanlation, I can't actually translate anything but sex noises. I do evade but it's still wrong that I have to because my original ban was for evading when I didn't even have a ban. It's simply a case of him being wrong and not admitting it.
>>1926I'm not Vert. No matter what you think of him, it's wrong that he was banned because he never broke any rule. He's been on 4chan for years.
>>1936If you talk negatively of yuri, particularly crack shipping, you will get hammered by Troid if he is around. The logs clearly show that he just takes blind guesses. As a janitor he was told off for BR'ing so many people for being someone they weren't. How he got to be a mod I will never know, he was the janitor of /u/ for fucks sake. 4/u/ is a terrible board with awful post quality.
>>1946>Can you just tell me what did he get banned for?>>>/irc/1812>>1943>wanting to remove a users privacyChoke on a massive dick. People have perfectly legitimate reasons for using tor. Just because a few people abuse it, you shouldn't allow it to ruin the service for others.
>>1944>Remember to always report ban evaders when you're on 4chan!Thanks for giving Troid more time to write mlp fanfics!
190e3a No.1949
>>1948>People have perfectly legitimate reasons for using torThis is 8ch, not the darknet. If you can't handle using a public or private proxy, fuck the hell off. Tor is for shitposting on 8ch.
29946c No.1950
>>1948Sounds like he was banned for avatarfaggotry actually judging by his posts in that thread. Good riddance.
7d9ed7 No.1951
>>1949What if loli is illegal in your country and you want to have the freedom to view a loli thread?
>>1950He posts in IM@s threads on 4chan and he's posting Irori from IM@S. I don't see a problem. He also contributes to the IM@S community and /a/ in general. If he was banned for avatarfagging his ban would have said so and only been three days.
190e3a No.1952
>>1951>loli illegal in your countryHAHA sucks that you live in a shitty country
27be45 No.1953
>>>1948
>No matter what you think of him, it's wrong that he was banned because he never broke any rule.
4chan mods problem was letting him in to begin with, and then trying to find an excuse to ban him after the fact. The way we did it here is much better, we killed our tripfags, and have a rule specifically banning them. Based on how they're doing it for reputation/attention the best way to fight them is to not let them take root to begin with.
27be45 No.1954
>>1953Meant for
>>1948Duck phone browsers.
63ef0c No.1955
>>1953Amen. By definition, if you post with a trip, you are doing it solely for the attention and for an identity, not a person I want posting here.
He can easily just keep posting if he takes off the damn trip. The faggot cares too much about his rep though.
>>1948I once got one of those perma bans for ban evading despite not doing so. All I did was wait for a couple of days, and it disappeared. I've seen people mention similar temporary perma bans all over the internet too.
The moment Vert actually did ban evad, he broke Rule 9 which is fair ground for a perma ban. If he used 4chan for so long, he would know by now.
Anyways, Troid is a faggot and he can go kill himself for all I care, Vert is still pure cancer, and 4/a/ is better off without him.
7d9ed7 No.1956
>>1953/a/ did have problem tripfags. Kusanagi fought against the IRC shitposters like Park Ranger and won. I don't regard Vert as being like that. If he was doing something wrong, he should not have been given a permaban but a short ban and chance to change his behaviour. Troid just bans people he doesn't like. It's all well and good to say that a tripfag deserves it but what about when it's anons that haven't broken any rules.
>>1955>The moment Vert actually did ban evad, he broke Rule 9 which is fair ground for a perma ban. If he used 4chan for so long, he would know by now.I don't trip except when I need to make myself known to other people that I'm working with on a project, so holding an identity is not something I can easily empathise with. His ban, like mine, never contained the post he was banned for. When I first saw that I was permabanned, I evaded it because I assumed that it was intended for someone else in my IP range. Everytime I try and reason with any of the 4mods, I just have "but you're a ban evader!" thrown in my face. Something is going wrong on 4chan. I don't care that Vert is a tripfag, he's been unfairly targeted like other anons.
If I had been banned fairly for actually doing something wrong, I wouldn't care about any of this. I would admit that I'd behaved like a twat and move on. I don't see why I should be driven off of a website that I have spent years contributing to because Troid has a petty grudge against someone I'm not.
34a818 No.1957
you know that the tripfag problem could vanish immediately if maids removed name/email/subject field from replying
e3e10b No.1958
>>1949Fuck off. People shouldn't have to justify their right to privacy.
>>1950You're no better.
>>1955Ban evasion shouldn't even be a thing, and the mods go too far trying to enforce it. If a banned tripfag is still posting with his tripcode, that is ban evasion. It's fair to ban that. But it's shitty that the mods construct narratives about posters and try to "hunt" the ban evaders. If I don't outright say I'm ban evading, or post on a tripcode that's banned, I'm not a ban evader. That's the whole point of anonymity. Your identity's supposed to be irrelevant.
34a818 No.1959
>>1958>privacyIt's an anonymous imageboard and proxies exist, you fucking twink.
e3e10b No.1960
>>1943You realize banning Tor doesn't remove the ability to proxy, or reset your router for that matter, right? ID:00000 are the only ones who are tor users. I never see them post all that much.
>>1941How are they so fucking autistic?
34a818 No.1961
>>1960I do realize that entirely, and they are free to proxy or reset their router. Tor posters can fuck off however.
e3e10b No.1962
34a818 No.1963
>>1962Because ID:00000 is almost as cancerous as tripfagging, and they can't be held accountable for their shitposting by having their IP banned. It's used overbearingly to shitpost without consequence. There is no need for it.
e3e10b No.1964
>>1963I'm pretty sure individual tor IPs get treated the same as any other IP. Since you can just use a proxy, which are just as easy to use throwaway banning tor is a pointless fuck you for no reason.
e3e10b No.1965
Also: It makes no sense to compare ID:000000 to tripfagging because it's a shared identity, unlike regular IDs which are 1:1. It's like ID Heaven.
eda9e4 No.1966
>>1964So then why is tor needed when you can just use a proxy?
e3e10b No.1967
>>1966I see no reason to ban it is my point.
eda9e4 No.1968
>>1967I see no reason to allow it is my point.
e3e10b No.1969
>>1968Well that's retarded.
eda9e4 No.1970
>>1969>>1967Well that's retarded.
000000 No.1973
Who let the normalfag edgemaster >le hacker darknet >I've got nothing to hide drama queen post? Level of this shitty discussion reminds me of endless admins-mods circlejerk&socialization topics on conventional forums (it's always nice to see history repeating itself for younger users — unfortunately, it affects me as well).
Tor is an officially supported 8chan access mode. Even monkeys can use it (for their monkey business). If you still don't know anything about it and spread the same rumors average old woman on Facebook has, you are at least 5 years lagging behind the state of the web.
“But Tor users can't post images anyway” is not the answer, it's the fucking problem. Why not check what administration and other board owners think about it instead of reinventing the wheel?
34a818 No.1983
>>1973You're able to browse 8ch so you can look at your precious banned loli. How does posting in any way change your ability to view the website through Tor?
5c6b3c No.2014
>>1881
This rule is outright stupid. Your rationalization is terrible too. If you actually went and strictly enforced it, /a/ would completely fall apart.
Assuming you've been around for a while, you should know full well that using incorrect capitalization and punctuation can completely change the nuance of things in a post, most obvious example being not putting a dot at the end of a sentence. People don't use smileys, this sort of small difference in writing style often helps others understand where exactly you stand.
But most importantly, I just can't understand how can you have this incredibly uppity, stuck up attitude about it.
>All of us TRUE /a/ posters only ever use proper grammar in all our posts to ensure maximum post quality! Everyone that doesn't do this is obviously someone worthless and should be removed from the board!
You're entirely right that most of the time, people who use this "/v/-like" writing style are morons that should be removed, but those people will either trip up on other fronts, violate other rules, and then get banned for that, or they will learn to adapt, in which case there isn't really an issue, if you eventually can't tell them apart from /a/ regulars. And there are ought to be people who write like that that contribute to the board.
There's also the handholding aspect to this, as others have already pointed out, this kind of thing should be something the users deal with unless it gets out of hand. If someone's grammar or writing style is that terrible, the users will point it out to them, and they either try to fix it or go on posting like an idiot on purpose, in which case right away it falls under shitposting. This whole "try and create a place they could be happy with" just reminds me of "Safe Places" for tumblrina rape survivors on this level. /a/ posters are so fragile that they can't deal with seeing a few posts that are poorly written? If someone sticks around, they'll most likely learn how idiotic a badly written post makes them look like and stop.
I won't go into the NO FUN ALLOWED aspect, but there's that too.
>low quality threads are almost always accompanied by shitty grammar, codifying this as a rule enables more mechanical quality enforcement with less ambiguity
All content should be judged on its merits, that's the entire point of an anonymous imageboard. Instead of that, you bring in personal gripes and prejudices against various groups of people. "All those faggots on /v/ and /pol/ and /int/ couldn't possibly have anything worthwhile to post on /a/, especially if they don't post with correct grammar".
Additionally, what you're suggesting here is that you use the rule an excuse to ban people that make shitty posts. Why dance around it? Ban people that make shitty posts for making shitty posts. This has already been a rule, no shitposting, and worked reasonably well as far as I could tell.
It's not as if I liked those boards, I don't even visit /pol/ or /int/ and I don't go on /v/ much either, but to even suggest something this ridiculous for such stupid reasons, I expected better of /a/'s moderation.
a6887f No.2023
>>2014
>You're entirely right that most of the time, people who use this "/v/-like" writing style are morons that should be removed, but those people will either trip up on other fronts, violate other rules, and then get banned for that, or they will learn to adapt, in which case there isn't really an issue, if you eventually can't tell them apart from /a/ regulars
You need to recognize the position /a/ is in on 8ch, we're far in the minority compared to /v/ and /pol/ (and /b/ for that matter), it's not the situation where the community has anywhere near the manpower to assimilate every newcomer by hand. The only real reason the board hasn't turned out like /am/ is the way that from the beginning we've been operating to expunge low quality posters, you really don't realize just how many newfags are perpetually flooding in. Were it left entirely up to the community like you're naively suggesting the board would look barely any better than /am/ within the week, and I'm confident that's no exaggeration. If we were the majority, or even were coming close to the numbers of /v/ or /pol/ I'd agree with you, I think natural community enforcement of standards would be the healthiest way it could be done, but the fact is we're not and pursuing that purist approach is not currently feasible.
>If you actually went and strictly enforced it, /a/ would completely fall apart.
What ifs are all well and good, but as I've tried to allude to without actually saying it, the intention is to exercise discretion when applying something like this. Part of the reasoning is that I feel it's better to have a hard rule that is laxly enforced, than no real rule and have users be arbitrarily banned for reasons they had no foreknowledge of, which frequently leads to situations like >>>/am/6601/ where the user is completely blindsided by what to them appear to be secret rules. Previously this would come under 'no shitposting' but the reality is that other boards have entirely separate definitions for what this entails, and to a crossboarder it is not at all obvious that typing like we're on facebook is not appropriate here. If possible I'd prefer to create a scenario where these sorts of obvious things are listed as actual rules that anyone with any sense can easily avoid by bothering to read them before posting. This is not to say we're going to go all out and write a 50 page bureaucratic nightmare of a rules page of course, rule 11 is about the limit of what I think we need to go to cover the vast majority of low quality posts and again we fully intend to exercise discretion in its application. That said, looking through the recent post lists there's actually barely anyone who would get done in by even the most rigid and strict implementation of the rule, maybe a little over 1/50 posts, even in its most extreme form your fears remain unfounded.
63ef0c No.2024
a6887f No.2025
>>2024
Oh, you can't have a trailing slash.
000000 No.2028
>>1983
Who said anything about “banned lolis”? Are you generally this stupid and need to have everything spelled out for you? OK then: file is required to open new thread and it prevents Tor users from doing that. You can post junk oekaki or unrelated embed but it is a stupid solution. I can't use /a/ the same way I use /tech/. Does /tech/ look like it is filled with Tor pedofiles to you because it allows opening threads without an image?
Moreover, disabled image posting through Tor is not forever.