/ameta/ - /a/ Meta Discussion

Our PPH is actually higher than usual.

>>2561

Do you always use a proxy? Why not just use TOR?

>>2562

It's just for my ID to not change in the threads I participate her,e since my connection is quite unstable at times. Sometimes thing do not go according to plan. This proxy is usually pretty reliable though. I don't know why it stopped working all of the sudden.

>>2563

I mean, why bother with the proxy to begin with? Why is it always so important for you to maintain a constant identity? My ID sometimes changes during a thread, and I don't care and just keep on posting as usual. It barely even occurs to me to care, I'm not used to using IDs to begin with, please explain your mindset.

>>2564

I don't know man. I like my arguments to have a bit of continuity in them.

>>2565

That still doesn't explain the proxy use.

>>2566

People would accuse me of samefagging if my ID kept changing all the time while holding the same positions I had before.

>>2567

The concept is foreign to me, though I only browse /a/ which doesn't have IDs, as opposed to say /pol/. You just feel like a wannabe tripfag.

>>2568

Yes. I used to browse /pol/. I guess I just got used to the concept.

If /a/ leaves the top 10, I'd probably give up on imageboards for a while

I refuse to go back to captchas, soundless webms and no multi-image posting. If 8/a/ dies I'll start wasting my time on something productive, like learning moon or working on my backlog.

8/a/ is in diaspora. Something is seriously wrong. People talk about anime and manga on non anime and manga boards. 8/a/ hasn't grown like the other boards and is even losing posters. At the end of last year it would consistently have 40 PPH 24/7 now it consistently has 20 PPH 24/7

4/jp/ is also in diaspora and branched off to a bunch of sites and boards. But there's nothing that can really be done about that.

I think if every anime and manga fan on 8chan were to post on /a/ sparingly it could get hundreds of PPH. I think we need the help of Hotwheels to draw attention to the diaspora and put up a notice for anime and manga fans to give /a/ a jump start

>>2575

This is a very double-edged thing though, because you could attract a lot of cancer who has never browsed a chan before and they wouldn't adapt to the local culture in time thus making 8/a/ even shittier than it already is.

The only way you could do something about it is if you asked the people who are leaving or losing interest in the board why they're doing that and try to find a solution to it.

There's always the option to use 4/a/ as well if you don't have an irrational hatred towards anything cuckchan related.

Gamergate is losing relevance. There are other boards dying as well, not just /a/.

>>2576

If Hotwheels puts up a notice only people currently on 8chan as it's up will see it. Shilling on 4/a/ isn't an option at the moment since the people there are hostile to 8chan.

>>2577

Gamergate is dying out but 8chan isn't. In fact 8chan has been consistently gaining users.

http://stats.4ch.net/8chan/allboards.php. 8chan's post rate is up 30% since November last year.

>>2578

More posts doesn't strictly mean more users

Similarweb stats that 8chan lost about 50% of it's traffic, and the main thing similarweb is criticized for is inflating their numbers.

>>2578

>since November

What a shitty statistic since December is when we had the second exodus (moot nukes /pol/)

why dont you look at since December, everything ive seen showns stagnant or delcining traffic

>>2582

We've dropped a bit one thing is meta threads were contained here. I think people have grown lazy like we were on half/a/. Nobody goes out and makes threads about fun shit anymore. Also as much as everyone hates to admit r/a/dio threads bring anons to the board the boom happened after Sanaefag went and shit posted in halfchans thread. One final thing is we are seen as the no fun allowed board because of our moderation which I am afraid we are close to a tipping point with.

Also anons on halfchan are complaining about things slowing down their as well.

>>2582

8chan's post rate is up since January. It's a fact. The post rate isn't stagnant or declining there's significant growth.

>>2581

What makes you think those stats are reliable?

http://stats.4ch.net/8chan/graph_pu.html

8chan's own stats put 8chan at 18 million unique visits over the last month. That's a big difference from the 5 million unique that similarweb has. Too bad 8chan's data doesn't go back to December.

>>2584

Not interested in any of them. Sorry. Specially /furry/ and /leftypol/. I want those faggots to die a painful death.

>>2586

4/a/'s quality is pretty good considering it's size in my opinion. They both good self-moderation and actual moderation. A nice balance. It's high traffic is also a huge benefit for discussing the shows that are currently airing in a proper context.

>>2588

I have no idea about which one is more reliable than the other, but there a lot of boards that are dropping in users.

I left with a reason and I refuse to go back. If 8/a/ dies, thats it for me.

>>2589

*They are both good at self-moderation and actual moderation

>>2590

What was the reason you left?

>>2589

>They both good self-moderation and actual moderation

From what I remembered since November, 4/a/ self moderation was so trashy and meta, they would crucify any remote kind of fun. OC was always replied with "Epic".

Mods were also bad but I heard they haven't done much lately?

>>2575

>4/jp/ is also in diaspora

That's been the case for years. I don't believe anyone but the most pure of autists stayed there after 2010-11

>>2593

>4/a/ self moderation was so trashy and meta, they would crucify any remote kind of fun. OC was always replied with "Epic".

Yeah, they exaggerate sometimes, but it's better than having no self-moderation at all.

>Mods were also bad but I heard they haven't done much lately?

Since MrVacBob became one of the admins (he's an regular) 4/a/'s moderation has improved considerably. The new janitors made some retarded mistakes, like deleting a few threads they weren't supposed to, but outside of that, there's no big problems involving the way it's moderated.

>>2595

*he's an /a/ regular

>>2589

>I have no idea about which one is more reliable than the other, but there a lot of boards that are dropping in users.

That's more to do with those boards. Overall the boards have been gaining users. /a/ has been hit hard in particular. There's a problem with /a/. Unless Hothweels is purposefully boosting the numbers 8chan's own stats are as accurate as you're going to get. The problem with sites like similarweb and alexa is they have no way to collect accurate data on 8chan. Communication on 8chan is between the user and the 8chan server. Third party analytics aren't in the middle of that collecting data. Any data analytic companies have on 8chan is inherently inaccurate.

>>2589

>Sounds like you are losing interest in imageboards in general if none of the unique boards i mentioned sparked your interest.

Maybe you should quit imageboards in general because 4chan isnt improving in quality any time soon, and 8chan isnt going to see a rapid growth within a short timeframe.

>>2600

What?

I think /a/ needs a few changes to stop the hemorrhaging. First, ask HW for an advertisement thing to get viewers to come to /a/. Then, a slight loosening of the rules. Then, a cyclical request thread to keep PPH up. Finally, a more active and less sedentary userbase. /a/ is for discussing anime, not just watching and not sharing. Plus, the radio threads should stay cause they seem to help.

>>2603

HW ain't going to do shit,that would go against the very backbone of why 8chan was set up in the first place.

He isn't Moot.

Its upto to the BO and the meidos to decide what rules to keep and what to remove and how the /a/anons react to these changes.

>>2602

10bux

>>2604

Oh, I get it now. You tried to accuse me of being a cuckchan shill and now you're trying to claim I'm a Something Awful shill? That's pretty stupid, m8. I stopped browsing /pol/ after the /int/ raid happened. You probably interpreted that part incorrectly.

>>>/operate/18166

It seems you guys got a little bit of feedback on the part of this guy. He says that the reason he doesn't go to 8/a/ anymore is because most of it's threads are garbage.

>>2608

if you say so.

>>2610

I can sound a bit antagonistic, but believe me, I'm not happy that the board is dying out either. It's pretty sad to watch.

>>2614

Dude what. /a/ is at 484 active users currently. It's PPH is a bit high for some reason though.

>>2595

Is ginge developer-kun really behind the improvement in moderation? I was wondering why the moderation didn't reek entirely of newfaggotry recently.

>>2622

On 4chan there's a meta board called /qa/ and one of the things they like to do is figure out who the new admins are. MrVacBob is one that they're sure is one of the admins

>>2572

>Then you should give up

Defeatist shills are not even trying to hide it anymore.

>>2630

Well, do you have any ideas about what should be done about it? The decline was so big that it's past the point of recovery in my opinion.

Also, reminder that our admin literally wants this site to be like reddit: >>>/operate/17964

>>2632

>The decline is so big it's past the point of recovery

We've been bellow 500 UIPs before. This isn't the first time.

>>2633

You've lost a shitton of users. That's not the point.

>>2634

We've lost a shitton of users before. This isn't the first time.

>>2634

Again, it's happened before. And we recovered.

The only thing I'd like to know myself is why. I mean, last time there was the ongoing shitstorm. This time it was just kinda sudden.

>>2638

I don't think you understand, /a/ is getting LESS traffic. When your "goon invaders" were attacking /pol/, there were very high UIPs at the time. If these SA people were going after /a/, there would be high UIPs

>>2638

But sage does nothing.

>>2575

I think we just need to lie in wait until 4/a/ has some drama that will move users over here.

Let's face it; the final push for a lot of people to move here was from GG getting banned and /pol/ getting nuked. /a/ just hasn't had anything of that magnitude happen.

>>2586

>It's HM that goes overboard with grammar and all this stupid shit that didn't work.

I think you misunderstand, that was primarily the anti-/int/ rule, and heck yes it worked. Part of the problem I think is that I have no way to actually show you what would happen to the board were the quality controls taken off. I had hoped /am/ would succeed for this very reason so we'd be able to point to it and drive home why we operate as we do.

>In fact, there is a nigger on the front page right now that thinks that onother Anon wrote the "Naruto is a gateway" pasta.

Question: did you report or say anything about it? If not you are seriously part of the problem.

>>2643

Are you seriously banning people for not recognizing pasta?

>>2643

>I think you misunderstand, that was primarily the anti-/int/ rule, and heck yes it worked.

Yes. It worked in killing your board, you retarded fucking faggot. There's no need to be so extreme about this shit. 4/a/ has a rule about grammar and emoticons as well, but it's only reserved for the retards who type like they're a nigger or a teenager.

>>2644

Without seeing the post in question I don't know. Typically I will still at least call cancer out as anon if it's not bad enough to warrant a ban, and so should you.

>>2645

So, /int/?

>>2650

I was mainly talking about posts like "lol u tk him 2da bar" (this is even in cuckchan's global rules). Typing without using proper capitalization and punctuation doesn't mean you're from /int/.

>>2572

Anime was NEVER 8chan's thing. 4chan's /a/ is extremely loyal and had no reason to leave. Like I said, 8ch is a VIDEO GAME BASED chan, not an anime based one. Deal.

>>2576

Moderation will chemo the cancer.

We need ads on anime forums to attract new posters.

>>2632

>He might implement some stupid feature as an optional thing but not really

>HE IS TURNING THE PLACE INTO LEDDIT GUYS

How retarded can one person be?

>>2661

More accurately, it used to be a faGGotry based chan, but now that GG is dying people are starting to lose interest in it as well.

>>2665

I knew this would happn..

>>2667

>He wants to give people a better alternative and of course there is something wrong with that because all people who browse a certain place must have the same cancerous mindset

Nice SJW-tier logic you got there.

>>2660

It kinda does /a/non. You'll see a lot of them do that. But I understand what you're saying. I do think it's unneeded. /int/fags make themselves obvious even when they use proper capitalization.

>>2667

If he does it an people raise enough of a stink he'll back off.

You forget that Hotwheels is kind of our bitch. 8ch's is open source. If he fucks up too much people can and will make a new website.

>>2670

>>>/operate/18303

Nigger.

>>2671

Redditard trash detected. Opinion immediately discarded.

This is going to hurt 8ch's reputation even more on boards like 4/a/, since their board culture is staunchly opposed to redditards and other normalfags.

>>2674

Well considering /a/ doesn't even have IDs, I don't see why they don't get it yet that a board owner runs his own shit how he wants regardless what Hotwheels does or says.

Even if Hotwheels were to pander to Redditards on his boards (/b/ and /n/), that doesn't mean the other board owners need to do the same.

>>2675

Literally joot2.0. It's sad to see. I expected better of this site.

>>2676

Stop trying to weasel him out of this, you fucking faggot. Everyone on /operate/ got angry as fuck at it.

The entire site will suffer if he keeps trying to pander to them, not just a few boards.

>>2677

I'm not saying upvotes are a good idea. It's a terrible idea.

But again, it doesn't matter so long as he keeps his retarded nose out of the board owners's business.

Mind you, some boards are fucked from the get go. For example /int/. Somanyanons is his buttbuddy, so he'd implement upvotes if Hotwheels introduced them.

>>2660

>Typing without using proper capitalization and punctuation doesn't mean you're from /int/

No, but it generally applies the other way. You're still not getting it, the ideal is that shitposters show up and get banned for breaking an actual, unambiguous rule where possible, which wrecks their ability to screencap their bans and run around whining about their 'random' ban - they clearly broke the written rules at that point. It drives home their sheer stupidity, /int/ frequently gets tripped up by it. Not that we don't reserve the right to exercise discretion of course, but this particular one is designed to sabotage a specific class of cancer, and it has proven highly efficient in that regard.

>>2680

You know, you could just leave it under shitpost, and then when they shitpost, catch them that way.

And literally nobody on /a/ is going to disagree with banning /int/ scum. Who cares what /meta/ thinks?

>>2679

>>>/operate/18388

>>>/operate/18422

Read these posts and shut the fuck up already.

There's no excusing this at all. Not one bit. EVERY board will suffer regardless if it has it enabled or not, because the redditards from the other boards will start spreading to the ones that don't have upvote bullshit as well and ruining the local culture as a result.

>>2680

Except you're hunting over a boogeyman that isn't relevant anymore, dumbass. /int/ is dying as well if you haven't notice. They are like harmless kittens now.

>>2683

*noticed

>>2683

That "lots of replies" post is actually kinda true now that you mention it.

Also again, why are you acting as if I think this is a good idea?

>the redditards will start to spread

Because that's shown to work so well for the other normals on the website already. Worst case scenario they get so butthurt from getting banned they make another /am/ type thing.

And /int/ isn't dying. They are definitely still at the same general numbers. It's just proxies are now completely nullified.

>>2685

>Because that's shown to work so well for the other normals on the website already. Worst case scenario they get so butthurt from getting banned they make another /am/ type thing.

More retarded normalfags on the site is always something which should be avoided at all costs, no matter how you put it. This type of scenario isn't the ideal one. The ideal one would be a place where the admin isn't a faggot who tries to pander to trash which will never fit into a chan and with a userbase that is hostile to them as well.

>And /int/ isn't dying. They are definitely still at the same general numbers. It's just proxies are now completely nullified.

They used to be at around 430-450 active users without proxies I think. Their PPH was a lot higher too. They did face a huge decline as well.

>>2686

They did? I figured they were always around 300s

And of course it's not the ideal situation. I don't want Hotwheels pandering to faggots. I'm just saying, keep a level head. 8ch is built in a way that there's several levels of contingencies before jumping ship is required.

And in the absolute worst case scenario we do need to jump ship, like I said here and on /operate/, the website is open source.

>>2682

>And literally nobody on /a/ is going to disagree with banning /int/ scum. Who cares what /meta/ thinks?

I'm not convinced this is true, hell the last few days have demonstrated that even actually decent anons can get discouraged and burn out like >>2489 did. Ideally I'd disregard meta entirely and bank on anons being able to read between the lines, but the fact of the matter is for whatever reason no one seems to even recognize that >>2458 for instance is just that /pol/ack come to destroy /a/ and are actually taking his stupidity on board (I thought this was quite obvious even before I checked his IP block, how is nobody realising this?). Clearly, we have to play the PR game to some degree.

>>2688

But the board was losing users. People were discussing why. Even if the thread was made by the /pol/ack, who cares.

>>2687

If you were unfortunate enough to have been to /int/ a few times for whatever reason like me, then all you need to do is take a look at their current catalog to realize it's nothing like it was before. The board is as dead as it gets. Maybe it's karma for acting like faggots and trying to ruin other boards.

>>2690

Yeah they are a bit dead. Lots of avatarfags and weeaboos too.

It's actually kind of hilarious. They're always hating on us but they're the ones that have the biggest weeb shitposters on the site.

Well, /a/ is now at 513 IPs so it looks like /a/ is saved

Good job everyone

>>2692

>saved

>not even above /k/ yet

>not above 600 yet

We need to pass /k/ to be back past the danger zone.

Ideally above 600 again.

>>2689

I'm not really convinced of that either. We did lose posters when threadanon gave up and nuked his threads, but people keep on stacking the stats from the old system directly up against the new, which would make our 'new' value of 513 would be about 600 under the 'old' system. I'm not convinced we're not still operating within normal fluctuations, though 8ch in general is going to behave as a 'long tail', losing users but less and less as time goes on (barring any HW-related disaster of course).

>>2692

That's still pretty low for a weekend though. I remember you usually rose up to 600+ even in the current system.

>>2694

The problem does seems to be site-related now that I've browsed a few /operate/ threads. I think this whole bullshit involving redditard pandering is going to make things even worse from now on though.

>>2694

You're forgetting this 513 is with a r/a/dio thread, which would usually drive us up to the 700s.

We lost users. A substantial number.

It cannot be denied.

Why that was, I dunno.

>>2696

Oh. So part of it probably had to do with your mods banning the r/a/dio namefags/avatarfags then. The rest of it is a site-related problem.

>>2697

I've only noticed two guys missing though, Neroanon and Dakianon

And there was only one other avatarfag, Sanaefag, who's still here although he stopped avatarfagging.

>>2698

Maybe some of their cocksuckers followed them on their journey.

>>2699

Maybe. We did get a smaller boost this week, but then there's the entire new method for logging UIPs.

I think the best option at this point is to just keep posting about animu and go on our merry ways. Worrying about it solves nothing.

I mean, the /a/ UIP drop. As for the overall issues with Hotwheels acting faggy, just gotta put the heat on in /operate(

Hotwheels is going to implement multiboards and that's exactly what /a/ needs

.>>2703

What's that?

>>2704

Ops: >>2703

>>2698

Because I like r/a/dio and /a/ before I was avatarfagging like a fag.

>>2696

We've been this low before by the way it has just been a while. If we keep dropping then we have a real problem.

>>2694

Hey, I was just curious. What's wrong with asking a question?

>>2719

Meant for: >>2688

>>2676

>>2674

No one gives a fuck what they think, 4/a users aren't coming here anyway. People who are against options need to GTFO

>>2729

Take your smug anime girl reactiongifs and step off. This isn't 4chan. We don't do anime here.

>>2590

This. What /irc/ has uncovered is beyond disgusting.

>>2737

>>2738

The only janitor/mod which is causing problems on 4/a/ is Troid I think. The rest of the faggots leave the board alone.

>>2739

Loli, waifu and sad panda threads are being deleted. Sometimes the thread lives for a few hundred posts and then a certain mod logs in a deletes it.

>>2740

Prove it by showing links to their archives. I pretty much exclusively go to these threads so I don't get what you're talking about

>>2743

>inb4 some salty person who hates 4chan lurking this thread does their best to derail the thread

>>2747

Loli threads always get derailed by the feminist pedophile nutjob though.

https://archive.moe/a/thread/125149028/#125158541

>>2749

>all of his posts were deleted

Why does that matter again?

>>2751

Maybe because of the tripfags trying to derail it? Also maybe it was veering into meta shit. I do agree it's bullshit it got deleted. I recreated it to see what happens

http://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/125504986

Oh and I don't know if you saw it or not, but there was a pretty interesting meta thread on /a/ you might have missed out on yesterday

https://archive.moe/a/thread/125433998

>>2753

>https://archive.moe/a/thread/125433998

Ok that's actually kind of interesting, even 4/a/ is talking about how things are slowing down, it's not something unique to 8ch.

Actually for that matter

>4/a/ has '4chan is dying guys' threads too

Maybe we're not so different after all.

>>2754

Anons are by nature, shit-stirrers and tend to overreact easily, nothing new about that.

>>2741

>loli threads

ctrl+f loli thread

http://8ch.net/irc/res/90.html

http://8ch.net/irc/res/1745.html

http://8ch.net/irc/res/2335.html

>waifu thread

https://archive.moe/a/thread/124881141/

https://archive.moe/a/thread/125492720/

>sad panda threads

It seems I didn't have this right. Mods are deleting anything that has "edition" in the title, including sadpanda threads.

>>2757

>loli threads

Blah blah blah, I've seen these leaks, doesn't stop there from being loli threads all over the catalog these days. They're pretty dated logs you know, maybe shit switched up since 2013?

>waifu thread

First one, I don't know why it was deleted, maybe because there was another one on the catalog at the time. Second one is fine by the looks of it

And holy shit is /ghost/ cancer

>sad panda

>Mods are deleting anything that has "edition" in the title

Is the /a/ mod team finally getting it's head out their asses? Still not seeing any evidence that Sad Panda threads are being deleted though

In any case, so long as these >>2743 threads are OK, I don't really need to believe you, and the loli one archived normally, so the /a/ mods are 1 for 3 at the moment

>>2756

Every once in a while a meta thread is needed so the mods can get an idea for how the community is feeling.

That being said, them deleting those manga threads is bullshit. Maybe they're interpreting the OP as Rugerall tier baiting?

>>2759

Loli threads used to get autosaged/deleted when Niggerwood was still fucking with /a/. He doesn't anymore I think.

>>2760

Well seeing as how /a/ dropping in users has been the talk of pretty much the whole site this weekend, I'm sure that had a nice effect in helping /a/ get back up, with people coming here curious as to what's going on. Pretty sure even the geniuses of /pol/ has made a thread wondering whether there was an SA invasion on /a/ or something

And yeah, /co/ can drop dead for all I care

>/a/ Animu & Mango 549

Looks normal

>>2724

I rather have a slower site than pander to Redditards

>>2735

>We don't do anime here

>/ameta/

>Meta board for the /a/ - Animu and Mango board

>We don't do anime here

>>2757

>It seems I didn't have this right. Mods are deleting anything that has "edition" in the title, including sadpanda threads.

Might be them finally cracking down on the general menace.

>>2764

That's because you come in here and shill for 4chan because you're still salty over a ban that's months old.

>>2761

>when Niggerwood was still fucking with /a/

Are you even following /irc/? Redwood never touched /a/. He was only a /co/ janitor.

>>2885

Are you stupid, son? He was a mod. Cuckchan mods are global. They can fuck with other boards if they want. He probably got shit for fucking with /a/. That's why you don't see him fagging up the place anymore.

See: >>2317 and >>2318 for some more details about his faggotry being present on /co/, /a/ and even /pol/.

>>2886

Oops, misquoted: >>2880

>>2886

But /irc/ said he was a janitor

>>2890

He was a janitor who got promoted to mod because he was friends with the luggage lad. Janitors can't ban people.

>>2890

If he was a mod, he is never present in #janiteam which is what /irc/ take their evidence from. The only time he appears in the logs is as a /co/ janitor. He was friends with moot and they used to meet up with Invisibro. RapeApe was the one that did the KLK stickies.

>>2885

This quote is likely to be Kusanagi but that day is missing from the logs because the leaker wasn't in IRC at the time.

>>2904

Dude, he was/is a mod. Take a look at the pictures I linked here: >>2886

Janitors can't ban people. It's even in their application page: https://www.4chan.org/janitorapp

>Janitors CANNOT…

>Ban users.

>Access any administrative functions.

>Use capcodes, make "official" posts, or set rules.

>>2906

I'm not denying that he was a mod. I'm just pointing out what it says in the logs. There is no concrete evidence either way.

>>2558

F/SN gets more posts on 4/a/ than 8/a/ gets posts in general

>>2910

citation?

>>2922

lel

4chan mods won't do a crackdown because they'd be afraid of people moving to 8chan.

8chan fights for their freedoms and they don't even understand.

>>2932

>>2922

There's literally nothing wrong with autosaging metadiscussions

>>2943

>Implying it was metadiscussion before it was autosaged

>>2955

I was just going by

>It had a huge meta shitstorm in it and lots of shitposting as well, so that might've contributed to it

>>3022

>8/a/, among the various other boards there are intolerable for the most part so I doubt that migration is the case.

It seems that the occasional mention you guys get in those threads tend to always be negative.

But anyway, I think people are exaggerating the Nurutu boogeyman a bit. Most of them leave the board after they're done discussing it and it's not like you can't dislike Nurutu while wanting to see how it ends at the same time. Not that I still give a fuck about Nurutu, but this is the case with Wan Piss with me at least. I don't like it very much anymore, but I've been reading it since I was 15, and I'm curious to see how it ends.

>>3022

>it's basically an /ameta/ thread

I guess we're not so different after all. Though we at least take it off the main board.