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Anarchist (cappies included) wallpaper. Also cool wallpapers in general, street art preffered.
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capitalism cannot exist without the state.



>state forces you to pay tax

>company allows you to choose

<oh how little you know

<something something exploitation something value something proudhon


Am I missing something or am I simple not pickley rickley enough to understand the leftist science?


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>everything that can be commodified is

>capital spreads to encapsulate the entire globe, not even hunter-gatherers are safe

>both the wage-labourer and the buisness owner are slaves to capital, unable to live out their desires do to having to submit themselves to the profit motive

<lol the choice of what company to sell your life away to is yours to make




>state forces you to pay tax

>company forces you to tax on the products you produce

It's like you don't even know what surplus value or surplus labour is.

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We may hate each other, but everyone likes anarho-ball.
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I remember that book. I used to love it as a kid. Thanks for the nostalgia, comrade.


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>the rich will "let" the poor work for them


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besides intellectual property doesn't exist.

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How did you become an anarchist? What makes you not a socialist?

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Anarchism IS socialism.

Yes, some "post-left" anarchists and anarcho-punks might say it's not because they link socialism with Marxist-Leninism or Social Democracy, but it is.

In fact, "libertarian socialism" was the most widely used term for the ideology and movement before the term "anarchism" was spread out.


Also, I became an anarchist after getting more and more disillusioned with other socialist movements.

I was basically a USSR-LARPer in my teens. After reading Marx and Lenin, I became an ML. A few years later, I read The Permanent Revolution and became a Trot (joined a Trot party, the whole package).

My gf is an anarchist, and she already was since we started dating. After she saw I was getting frustrated with the party, she introduced me to some anarchist theory, and after reading the Bread Book I became a full-blown AnCom.



They think someone controlling people through force is bad.





These guys are correct. Anarchism is socialist.

Growing up in America, I figured out before going to high school that money is becoming more and more worthless. I was an independent guy that would mostly vote for the democrats but vote for republicans on gun rights and other things people should have.

Liberals were backstabbing motherfuckers.

Republicans just hate me because I'm black and not able to be used for their platform. I thought Ron Paul had some good ideas and libertarians had a good idea but I felt capitalism was a bad system.

I used to believe in some forms of market socialism but my opinions on them have changed. I think they are only useful for TRANSITION from Capitalism to Socialism. Although I still have the Mutualist flag, I feel more like an anarcho-syndicalist or anarcho-collectivist.

I never though it was a phase to be a mutualist but I guess I was wrong. I still love the ideology, the orange flag, and Proudhon. I'll always consider myself a mutualist though.



read the bread book m8

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Seeing as this is specific and divisive enough of a topic to render it separate from the Debate Anarchism thread >>10259, I am re-purposing this thread to be the "x is not anarchism because y" debate thread in the interest of conserving the diversity of discussion on this board. All other threads that fall under this category will be saged. If you feel the need to discuss this tangentially in other threads, please first consider the possibility of doing so here, instead.

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All the old anarchists like spooner or Proudhon had facial hair. Is a beard a defining characteristic for anarchism, or is it something that doesn't matter?


>hey man if you do what I say for a few hours each day I'll compensate you for your time

What part of this is exploitative?


Pinochet's death toll is entirely swallowed up by even the less deadly socialist tyrants.



>hey man if you do what I say for a few hours each day I'll compensate you for your time

>What part of this is exploitative?

1. Capital's relation to labor and private property is built on a history of violence and coercion. It is not in any way a voluntary relationship in the first place. Stop believing the myth that capitalism happened when people just one day decided to stop doing communal farming and instead die in dangerous factories 16h/day

2. The worker is not fully compensated for his time, if he was there would be no surplus value to extract, no capital growth and no capitalism.



>Pinochet's death toll is entirely swallowed up by even the less deadly socialist tyrants.

>this tyrannical dictator is okay because other tyrannical dictators killed more people than him!

So much for the libertarian right


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>being a namefag

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How do we stop Adam Curtis?

He seems to be like the forgotten and ignored member of the New Atheism/Libertarian "Intellectual"/Fedoralord media.

It's like he's figured out a way to beguile would-be leftists by discussing actual, non-spook class issues but of course he qualifies it by talking about how "easily the masses are manipulated" before dissolving into a kind of conservative victim-blaming literally telling people what to think.

I'm not kidding when I say victim-blaming, like instead of calling out the bourgeois for being literal abusive psychopaths and, metaphorically, raping the people, he's basically telling the workers "Well did you look at what you were wearing that night?"

My favorite part is his defense against (baseless) accusations of leftism on his part:

>People often accuse me of being a lefty. That's complete rubbish. If you look at The Century of the Self, what I'm arguing is something very close to a neoconservative position because I'm saying that, with the rise of individualism, you tend to get the corrosion of the other idea of social bonds and communal networks, because everyone is on their own. Well, that's what the neoconservatives argue, domestically. […] If you ask me what my politics are, I'm very much a creature of my time. I don't really have any. I change my mind over different issues, but I am much more fond of a libertarian view. I have a more libertarian tendency […] What's astonishing in our time is how the Left here has completely failed to come up with any alternatives, and I think you may well see a lefty libertarianism emerging because people will be much more sympathetic to it, or just a libertarianism, and out of that will come ideas. And I don't mean "localism"

>What's astonishing in our time is how the Left here has completely failed to come up with any alternatives

Actually Adam, the left has come up with plenty of alternatives, but the giant corporations have smashed them all with tanks and guns.

>social bonds and communal networks

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Adam Curtis is just a goddamned condescending liberal, nothing to see here, they're all the same but this one just got a podium


He's absolutely right though.

All the answers are on the table in front of you through the internet, and what we ended up with was trump and some half baked protests.



It's worth noting that there are still plenty of anarchists who love Chomsky's work, especially his older stuff. Personally, I've moved on but I still have a place in my heart for Noam.



he's working for the beeb, so it's not as if he could just come out and say he's anarcho-communist.

in his documentaries he debunks the following:

-human nature


-the free market

-rational racism

- "facts" (pro-situational)

- shock and awe doctrine of the media

- individuality

he even (almost) endorses reactionary gang violence and rioting in his blog.

All of which goes directly against your proposal, OP, that he's new atheist/ libertarian. Intellectual yes, he does sound a bit smug from his arm chair, but at the same time I think it's a pose he strikes, a cover up for a very astute and emotionally invested political agenda. I get the sense that he's more of a revolutionary communist than anything else. Makes me wonder if you even watched any of his work, or if you just have horrible comprehension skills.

the best things about his documentaries are the narrative form with which he debunks ideologies. it takes an extended thought, but the conclusions are accessible to anyone even without lexicon or political background. his message fits his medium well. that's populist.

>And I don't mean "localism"

and he's internationalist at that

in an interview about his history at art school he mentions his admiration of his classmates from the band Gang of Four, an explicitly revolutionary communist post-punk band, saying "they were way ahead of my thinking at the time."


i'm afraid OP is american and is knee-jerking at the term "libertarian" adam labels himself. OP, libertarian means a leftist tradition in Europe, not at all having to do with the right leaning tea-party connotations of America.

To many anarchists, anarchism is an ideology outside of the left-right spectrum entirely. post-left, situationalist, this is what i infer from adam curtis.

Additionally I think more people come to anarchy from the far right then the far left nowadays, and ya'll gonna have to accept that. the old trade unionists and IWW have started dying out and what was left of them have been co-opted into the DSA cops. the redneck rebellion, individualists, insurrectionists, crypto-anarchists, even municipalists usually come through the right. many they even come around to calling themselves anarcho-communists, and leftists.

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Why is it, whenever I talk to ancaps, they come across as nicer, smarter, peaceful, and more polite then you ancoms?

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Criminals always existed, and always will.

Simple cost-benefit analysis paired with high risk tolerance. Or lack of risk assessment due to stupidity.

So, the proportion of potential criminals is more-or-less equal during all times.

The real criminals ratio can be trimmed down to either very stupid cunts or very intelligent and sleazy cunts if risk of punishment is way too high.

So ancap never promised crime-free society. It promised that idiots would be shot to death quickly, while the criminal overminds would be way too few and careful to kill society, and all potential criminals between these opposites would be discouraged by "castle doctrine" and multiple interconnected crime prevention agencies (too many to bribe one's way out).

I'm yet to see how ancoms would deal with criminals, without resorting to people magically transforming into posthuman elves free of sin and malice.

And commies, nazies and socdems are basically criminal overminds directing hordes of low IQ orcs on whoever gets fleeced this time due to class/race/sex/gender/whatever. Commies and nazies are just quick and blatant, while socdems are careful and evasive. Probably the same reason - inbuilt risk tolerance, socdems are less tolerant to risk than nazies and commies, hence their pillage booty is smaller but they live way longer to pillage.



Mate, my problem with ancaptopia is it will either become a neo-feudal sociaty, with the "king" owning and monopolizing a good many things, or a mad max style place, with raiders within every 10 miles of where you are, and towns more like what you'd see in a western.

>too many to bribe one's way out

Mate, if 1 cop comes by and sees your crime, there's always a chance he can get bribed no matter the society.

>I'm yet to see how ancoms would deal with criminals

Agreed, although elves have always been more like nazis.



Why do you feel that labor should be valued ≥ the managing, planning and business operations that a business owner provides?


>why do the people I agree with seem nicer to me while the people I disagree I feel are not as nice to me?

Because you're a fucking faggot shill, OP. I hope I answered your question.


Ayncraps are not real anarchists. Anarchism is inherently leftist, gives workers the MoP and is anti-hierarchial, something every ayncrap is against. Ayncrap is entryism nonsense, you know how fake "socialists" like to rebrand themselves to appeal to people to bring in more shock troops (hint: they oftentimes have the word "national" in them, "national socialist", "national syndicalist", etc. all of which are not socialist). The goal of ayncrapism is to either lead people to fascism (since you need armed forces to protect private property rights) or to just be useful tools to corporations.


>commies dont care about those who are less well-off even though their entire purpose is to build a society that elimiates poverty and wages

>anyway as I was saying, these low-IQ niggers need to plow my field for the good of my future corporation that I'm sure I'll own one day after the FREE MARKET(Tm) provides me with a 10 million dollar bank loan that I'll be able to just withdrawal seeing as I have no idea how economics works

GFY, cappie.



He got the business by exploitating the worker, he didn't earn anything, the employees provide him with his wealth that he stole from the commons.

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Could be great publicity, attract a few more people, radicalise some

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The previous BO made a separate site and I stopped checking up here when it was the .org site, and I suppose others did too. But the admin is a transcultist and I don't want to be complicit in that shit anymore.



n1x is a tranny?



Yeah, and quite the deranged one.



Every tranny is deranged tho lol amirite



Because nothing screams mental health like going to a dead board that you no longer own

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Where were you when you realized that talking to "marxist leninists" about communism is like talking to a fascist about communism?

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The e621 Degenerate sqaud is the new intellectual base of post ironic anarchism.

i dont know fam


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Bump cause ML'ers are Fascists



When they try to justify that early USSR, Cuba, etc. are good examples to follow.



I think some of them are aiming for the same goals as ancoms, but of course the LARPers ones are just on a huge power trip.

In case of an ML revolution what can we do as anarchists? I don't think they are going to break us off some autonomous zone, and any alliance would result in us being crushed (see Kronstadt, Ukraine, Spain etc…)


Are you still lurking this board lewdposter? Thanks for that pic anyway.


I was at the first international, being purged by marx for the crime of being left.

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I recently got into podcasting after switching jobs. Any good podcasts you would recommend? Already listening to Adam kokesh and freedom!

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Lightened to them once, they started talking about how ron paul saved them, then i immediately turned it off.

Bunch of stupid ayncraps.






nah dude. bump. i want podcasts or youtube nourishment, preferably without a side of ancap

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Because of this post >>9793 , I'm making a thread for an idea I've been thinking about for awhile now that I expect will gain no traction anyways kek. I think in light of /anarcho/'s increasing stagnation and /leftypol/ turning into a /pol/ bait/Old Left Marxist/Old Left libertarian socialist/leftist meme theory board, it's only become more pertinent. I did however make a post a few months back about this under different circumstances: >>8944

Basically, I have been thinking of making an imageboard sort of along the lines of /leftypol/'s Bunkerchan, but with the express intent of being a space for nihilists and anarchists. Pretty much like what Anokchan used to be. I think this is important because I've come to notice that the anarchist population among the imageboard community has just started to disappear the past few months. You've got a lot of anarchist types on Lainchan, sure, but Lainchan's administration seems to have over and over again turned down any opportunities to take an official political stance for the board - which is fine, since the board itself was never intended to have an explicit political position, and doing this would probably alienate a lot of users. But aside from all the people there who might like an anarchist imageboard, and the other anarchists scattered around the other *chans and the internet at large, it seems like the majority of "anarchists" around the imageboard community are essentially libertarian socialist Old Left types. Not that I have a problem with them per say, but you hear a /leftypol/ ideology being echoed constantly on there: Literally everything bad is rooted in capitalism and materialism, muh New Old Left, muh free speech for fascists, literally everything that isn't about capitalism (and I guess the State too sorta right anarkiddies...) is "IdPol". And that's ignoring the other problems of the board.

I'm trying to avoid sounding like too much of an ideologue here, but as far as I can tell, this way of thinking, this idolizing the left that was, is mostly exclusive to anarchists on /leftypol/ rather than the contemporary anarchist community as a whole.

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bump. 0ch needs to be revived.


The site is back up at 0ch.io


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Can you change the URL in >>12500 please?



Done. Sorry for the delay.

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What do you guys actually think about the use of the image boards on discussing theory or whatever? Is it a good setup or flawwed. Also what do you guys generally think about the majority of people that post, like on leftypol or pol. Ever notiched a certain way they deal with theory or info like maybe a willfull neglect to read?

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Just post, everyone is a fucking idiot here. (Well everyone has their own theory cause you cant be an expert on the whole of anarchism) I know a fair bit about Anarcho-Individualism/post left and Egoism but around classic anarchism i aint the brighest. I still am planning to read most classic works.


You image boards like twitter and facebook are mostly impulse discussions with alot of fast talks with little comments and fuckload of inpulse responces. I actually read a good criticism on general internet discussion from Mcquin or Aragorn his blog that its to fast and impulse oriented and leaves actually know demand or anything on knowing your shit cause most opponents in the dicsussion dont know shit eather. It is diffrint when you actually have someone who really knows his shit and fucks your ass with all the theory and facts he has around the thing you guys talk about.

Also the more slow it actually kidna is the more time you have to think about your responces cause there is no pressure to respond quick and well reduce the lenght of your messages. Also if the other guy comes off a bit reasonable and not prevoking you dont easy get angry and also remain more resonable instead of constant baiting and trolling and /pol/tier rhetoric.

Do you guys also notich the big retardation present around youtube where you can be so uneducated as possible but still be taken seriouse on subjects like Muke/xexixy.


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Also could you explain exactly why you are scared? is it the general hostile culture of the boards where people will lash out against retardation. (usually this is more done on the presentation when you say something stupid with an overal confident way of presenting your message)

I do sometimes notich that my insecurity on the knowledge of a subject can hold me back on discussing it just cause i think i wont add anything to the debate. But i do really enjoy seing posters who explain their stuff in nice detail on wich you can learn from.



It's not so much scared as I don't have anything of note to contribute yet and don't want to shit up the place. And after getting steered in the right direction for theory I haven't run into anything in reading that has left me clueless so asking for help isn't needed. I dunno, maybe I'll post more about organization being relevant or not or whatever after I've read somemore.



if it had reminders when someone responded to your comment, yeah. Until then, no



There could be email notifications for that, where if you write an email in the email field instead of displaying it as mailto: it sends a notification, and it could wait for a specified time before sending it and if you reply with the email to a reply it doesn't send it.

For example, name@domain.tld:15 would send a notification after 15 minutes. A prefix of sage: would sage it.

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Some good documentary about Makhnovists ?

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lads i need some sources on this like rn


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Thanks anarcho


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I was the anarcho-transhumanist btw


Nice one lads


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>finally got to see this post in the flesh


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in about 2 week will be coming to my states capital to do, well, nazi shit. I plan on going got the counter protest along with antifa and various other left and anarchist organizations. Anyone got any advice? Do you think a knife or a baseball bat is better for self defense? I don't wanna end up like those kids in California that got gutted.

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>their mind was broken at some point and probably still is.

So people arn't allowed to have been fucked up at one point? Im certain that 99% of anarchists didn't start out as such. Fuck off namefag



>the current year 2k17

Just stop being anti white, and they'll go away.There aren't many of them even now, and it's only cultural marxists that can make them, and you dumb retards a problem.



>(which they might not even do because a lot of cops have fascist sympathies)

Absolutely ridiculous.Fascist sympathies?In what country?


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>bumping a thread that is almost a year old

Good job BO.


I prefer flagpoles / signpoles over baseball bats.

Cover your face. Special points if you get a paint respirator and ski goggles / swim goggles.

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Ancaps are not anarchists wtf, why is this even a debate?

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Do a YouTube search for Stefan Molyneux pre-Trump era, you might learn something.


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cause Ancaps insist on making it into a debate. Nobody except them and libtards think they are anarchist



So, nobody, as in a huge proportion of the population when compared to "real anarchists." Got it.



Read Ericco Malatesta, normie.



>The eternal fagposter strikes again

Most of the entire fucking world aren't even aware of what anarchism is, nor that ancap is even a thing



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Alright /anarcho/, it's time to address a problem our board has been experiencing as of late.
To put it shortly, our board has been discreetly raided by shitposters, shills, and otherwise ideologically challenged folk. It's time we do something about it.

First off, the Board Admin has given no sign of life even though the rules get systematically broken. I am not sure if he is doing it on purpose to make our board more 'Anarchic', but either way I honestly prefer such an arrangement. If we have any hopes of achieving revolution, it appropriate we learn to endure and deal with these idiots by ourselves without the aid of authorities.

So what I am essentially doing, I guess, is calling for organization. For starters, these are some principles we should adhere to at all times (they are mostly a re-statement of the board guidelines, but I guess we could all use a reminder):

Hide bait threads, ignore bait posters, do not reply to bait posts. I mean this. Ignore the trolls and they will soon go bait on more turbulent waters.

If (or when) the board gains enough traction and gets enough attention for kiddie fidders to start spamming our boards with their garbage, report them on sight. If due to Volunteer shortage they aren't gone after a reasonable period, report them to >>>/meta/

Keep ancap, minarchism and manarchism discussion on threads specifically dedicated to the discussion. This goes for other controversial schools of Anarchy as well.
Right now, the specific threads are:
Ancap >>3178
Minarchism >>4126
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>implying governance, domination, and oppression aren't enacted by rulers AKA the state



anarchist R gay




anarchy literally means "the rule of nothing"



That's a Hobbesian interpretation.





belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.

a political force or movement based on belief in anarchism.

"socialism and anarchism emerged to offer organized protest against the injustices of Spanish society"


mid 17th cent.: from Greek anarkhos ‘without a chief’ (see anarchy) + -ism; later influenced by French anarchisme.


If you want to break the word 'anarchism' down etymologically, I would argue 'without hierarchy ' is more accurate.



>new BO posted on /liberty/ and wrote about how this board "is not /leftypol/"

>doesn't tolerate this autistic shit

fuckin based holy shit


get bullied in school, dork.

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