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Let's talk party politics /anarcho/. What party should I join, if any, in the UK, to push forward the post-left conspiracy? I've been looking at the co-operative party.

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a fixed idea, a spook if you will. There's no reasons to have principles. I'm just a boring person who thinks we're all doomed anyway.


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>Not I

Ban yourself wrong thinker, you may not preach the words of Saint Max without complete understanding of his gospel you heretic. I Bless.


Not sure if troll, but…


There was also a fake party in Sweden which took responsibility for direct actions and stunts, the way ISIS claims all the random spree killings today. The media fell for it and some celebrity tried to give them lots of money!

Another path might be to join the Tories and sabotage them. Steal their membership records, or get elected as a councillor and then do some outrageous shit.


>hey fellow faggoty leftists I hate my country and its traditions how do I destroy it and make it a faggoty pig farm shithole where everyone's poor



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By not voting you have someone else in power and by abstaining the state would just assume you'll be fine with whoever is in power.

Have a write in for "Anarchy" next time around.

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So how many of you are vegan? If you're not, why not? Is it because its your personal choice whether you support the torture of unwilling strangers? Have you got any good veganarchist propaganda?

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dead things taste better :^)


I am. Because of Animal Holocaust. No.



It's okay! I read this. I will post my key tomorrow and so you can add me when/if you are ready and have everything setup. Sorry for my delay.



I have no idea if you are still here or not. Probably not. I am mostly on 0chan and lainchan.jp nowadays, but I will still post my keys here if you ever see this. Take care!


I am not a vegan because I don't think animals have any more claim to life than plants.

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Catalonia and the Free Territory are common example that anarchists (myself included) give to prove that anarchy has been tried. But were they actual anarchies? Some claims that they had secret police (here is a Marxist critic of Catalonia : https://www.marxists.org/archive/morrow-felix/1938/01/anarchspain.htm).

Modern examples are Chiapas and Rojava, they clearly have libertarian leaning, but did they really get rid of the state?

Some say the KAF had anarchism, and other that our primitive ancestors had it too, but there isn't a lot of historical evidences. Do you comrades know any other obscure societies which could be candidate for anarchies?

Also, requesting the "wanna debate with me? Then define your terms!" pic with the animu girl in the bottom left.

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IIRC the Black Army was structured in a similar way of democratically elected officers elected directly by the volunteers themselves. Orders would be given and not necessarily needed to be followed but generally were.



I read the blitzkrieg was successful because the German infantry was made of small decentralised units operating as they saw fit. The general mission was to go conquer, the method as to how was decided as they went along without having to wait for orders all the time.


If you read the book Homage to Catalonia you will see that Orwell encountered anarchist cops that would stop you and demand your papers.



i don't believe you



how would this lead to an army that wins?

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It's finally a thing!

While still under development, we finally have an independent anarchist imageboard that is comfy and usable, owned, moderated, and developed by anarchists, for anarchists. The main thing rn is getting the tor hidden service to work, but we're also still working on getting some static pages up, getting an IRC channel, and some various tweaks to vichan. For the time being, we're sticking with one board whose catalog is 0chan's landing page. Depending on traffic/interest, we will add more boards, and are planning on having a Lainchan-style home page.

I would encourage all of you to use it as much as possible. There's really no good reason to stick with 8chan now.


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I changed a tor setting. I'll look into this once the site is back up.


Yeah, I can't get an SSH shell or ping it. Our other admin who owns the domain name and hosting is looking into it since there's not much else I can do rn.



0ch is back up!



tor posting is also working now



Thank you n1x <3434



Let's have both: a chan of our own and a chan here. In fact, let's have anarchy everywhere there are people sharing ideas. Solidarity.

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Avast me fellow enemies of the Crown, this be a trips get for >>>/scurv/

>also, there doesn't seem to be an anarchist vidya thread. What is some /anarcho/-approved vidya?

>Dorf Fort is most anarchist IMO because it's free and you play as dorfs setting up an autonomous worker's syndicate

>why the fuck are gamers such fucking corporatecucks?

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>What is some /anarcho/-approved vidya?

I like Liberal Crime Squad, but any open source game is approved in my book.



That game is cool as fuck yo.

>>9000 (checked)

Just choose any RPG and roleplay as an anarchist.



>>why the fuck are gamers such fucking corporatecucks?

Because they fear games would not be as great if they were made by the people instead of corporations.



It's like Formula One - all the money and toxic masculinity rots their brains.

That said, I am a big fan of FNV, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Banished and a few other games.




RuneScape. >>11210

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First a disclaimer: I don't know much about anarchy, I've just started looking into it and am forming a view of how it is supposed to operate.

Now, I was talking with a friend about something related and she said anarchy has no leaders.

However, I do believe that leadership happens naturally in human societies, and that it is a fundamental role.

My question is, how do you thing leaders fit in the scheme of an anarchist ecosystem?

Are threre really no leaders?

Are leaders local to a particular group for which they are responsible?

I'm not asking whether leaders would try to empower themselves further, I wonder about natural leaders and the people whose nature is to follow, and how this phenomenon relates to anarchy.

Thank you. Also we need a sticky with resources.

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This, to be fair, is the anarcho-syndicalist type of solution.

Some anarchists (those leaning toward anti-organizationalism) critique representation, which anarcho-syndicalists clearly don't have a problem with.



>The question should always be whether or not an act of authority is truly justified to be in the best interest of the victim of this authority.

I have a problem with this definition of anarchy (abolishing all unjustified hierarchies). It just seems to push the problem away. Some non-anarchists could say "the state is justified then, since we will all be killed without it", "managers are justified, because the factory can't run without them" and so on.


It's not human nature to follow/lead. It's human nature to adapt and survive. And we will adapt and survive if that means following or leading.

But everyone's voice should be heard. And when people are together in larger numbers like a community, they are powerful. And if that community has services and resources, then it has value. And that's when you want someone who knows how to control the two, not the people, with fear.

>So is it better to be feared or loved?



There is nothing wrong with leaders in Anarchy or even people believing in Anarchy being or following leaders.

No Gods No Masters implies you will not submit to forced slavery. Modern governments give you no choice and the global geopolitical landscape makes it impossible to "leave it or love it".



No gods, no master

No bosses, no managers

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Socialists want to socialize work

Right wingers want to privatise

I ask you one thing, why shouldn't we just abolish it? where would be the ideal place to start this? Any papers or lectures you guys recommend?

New to this board btw

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These are all good questions that I don't necessarily have an answer for from within the context of a post-left/Situationist critique of work. I think it's a very useful general line of thought, but getting into specifics like this makes it a lot more questionable.

For the record: I personally don't care about the small-scale, localized, even primitivist bent that a lot of the post-left milieu seems to take here and elsewhere. Let all that which cannot be rendered a free and playful activist be taken over by machines, the creation of whose software can be a playful, free, and communal activity.



We use the word play in a way that goes beyond what you're saying.

When we say "work should be play", we don't mean play the way a child plays.

We mean we want to go do our duty to help the people, cheerfully say hello to our friends who also do the same sort of duty, and have a good time. We shouldn't have to worry about getting fired or arrested or living an unduly shitty life.

There will still be work to do, and not all things will be "play". But the concept of making work fun is not able to happen under capitalism.

There is too much economic stress involved with capitalism, which also leads to interpersonal issues.


work is necessary to change reality.

to build shelter, paint things, make decisions and carry them out. as a group, with each other.

we want freedom to work on what we please, not do live alienated and lazy.

not freedom to do nothing.



yes and that is why the "abolition of work" is fucking stupid

mutual aid, mother fuckers

we're gonna work some times to keep our neighbourhoods functioning



Yup I was looking for this. Seeking work/purpose is a natural human drive, and it keeps us advancing as a species (science for example isn't driven by profit at all unless it's pointless science sponsored by a company like Monsanto to get information for their lawsuits.) People are naturally resistant when they have to give up their hard earned product to another person who doesn't do shit (capitalism.) When work is motivated by charity and community nourishment you get a pretty fuckin great society….read kropotkin bitches….

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Post stories from your life about the piggies. The only time a police officer has ever talked to me was when I was riding my bike to the supermarket, he just threatened to fine me for not wearing a helmet and then drove off.

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Most of the police stories I heard are from "the other side".

Very disheartening. If there is any reason I don't trust the police, its because in another life, as a solider, I knew way to many of them. With a buzz cut being enlisted in the US Army, they openly told me how they really felt. I coulda been a cop, they told me my service put me at the top of the list. If it wasn't for computer skills getting me a computer job, I'd be stuck doing that.

A few.

I've been told by a cop that it was his duty as to enforce christian rule on the US.

I've been told gloating stories of NYPD officers about "beating up hippies" at occupy wall street.

I've been asked to run drugs out of the Caribbean by a federal agent.

I've been told by a $TOWNAME police officer that perception is 9 tenths of the law.

I've had it described to me by an officer that "If I really wanna arrest someone, I find a reason".

On of my fondest memories of the police is watching the cops curb stomp some suburban kid at a punk show for recording the cops fuck with some crust punks and then smash his camera.

I've seen first hand that the cops are fucking pieces of shit that when not sleeping in their cruisers, they pick easy targets with a devil may care attitude towards the truth.


Wasn't that bad relatively but still pisses me off

>be 12

>at Macy's Thanksgiving parade, crowded as shit

>people starting to walk to close to road where parade goes through

>police comes and tells people to get back

>people ignore him and continue to move onto road

>decide to be a good boy and help police, tell people to get back

>policeman screams in my face "are you mocking me?!"

>on the verge of tears "n-no" before he walks away

fucking pigs. It's been over 10 years and I still think back to that and how I wish I spit in the fuckers face or something.


>be 20

>working while going to college

>have to clean pools to pay bills

>in houston trying to get around

>cop starts following me

>follows me for about 30 minutes

>pulls me over in a speed trap

>gives me a ticket for going 35 in a 30 because there may be kids around

Obviously not as bad as some get it, but the sheer amount of bullshit convinced a proto-socdem me that at best cops were there to harass people.



Houston porkers are the absolute worst.


Here a heartwarming story about antagonised immigrants and anarchists bridging cultural differences and the police's response to this:


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Videos related to anarchism, this can include YouTube videos, documentaries etc.
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That's excellent thread material you should make a new thread.



>If you fight against a neoliberal reform, then you fight for regulations, since labor rights like the eight hour day are enforced by the state.

Not necessarily, the laws only really exist because the workers have forced the employers to bargain with them in the first place, and you could be using the public reaction to the regulations being taken away to not ask for more regulations but to spread another message.



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When will they stop beating their dead horse?

When will they stop with this crude "materialism or FIDF - Feminist Internet Defense League" dichotomy?

What can we do to save them?

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how could a cooperative pay for industrial infrastructure? do they take a loan from a sort of commune treasury or bank?



Proudhon called them "People's Banks", basically a no-interest socio-economic institutions to help poor workers start their cooperatives.

That is literally the only sane market-socialist answer to that problem. And I can hardly see it being made in this world of fiduciary capitalism.


What's to keep the workers of a "large" cooperative from voting to sell the cooperative's assets for quick slurpus-free cash?

What about the development of "interest groups" within cooperatives.

Also what about para-cooperatives where everyone would be paid the same but that would have an owner entity to give them ~direction~.



>What's to keep the workers of a "large" cooperative from voting to sell the cooperative's assets for quick slurpus-free cash?

There is no such thing as surplus-free cash.

>What about the development of "interest groups" within cooperatives.

Define "interest group."

>Also what about para-cooperatives where everyone would be paid the same but that would have an owner entity to give them ~direction~.

If the workers aren't allowed to work horizontally then it's not anarchism.



My best advice is to distract them with fun posting, and ask what would society look like under anarchism.

How could anarchism help impoverished communities and (get them) out of poverty?

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regards /leftypol/

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>Bakunin offers very concise arguments for liberalism being fucking shit.

Let's not forget all of the individualist anarchists who weren't part of the austrian school as well. Liberalism IS liberty, you dumb shit; it's that just you, and every other would-be socialist avoids the term like the plague because of its association with everything it's not. The earliest forms of anarchism seen in the Paris Commune were very much remnants of classically liberal ideas in their rejection of the state AND revolutionary dictatorship; https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/bakunin/works/1871/paris-commune.htm. ML and MLMs absolutely LOVE to point out this fact as if it somehow justifies their desire for the appropriation of state apparatuses.

>Chomsky is a more of a fellow traveer figurehead, he is not a theorist of anarchism.

I don't know, anon; he sure has written a lot on the subject. Chomsky has certainly cited and extrapolated upon the very same aversion to liberalism that Kropotkin, Malatesta, Makhno and Durruti had. Liberalism's relation to anarchism is undeniable here; that doesn't mean it's equal to the liberalism that you and I complain about day in day out, though.



>The earliest forms of anarchism seen in the Paris Commune were very much remnants of classically liberal ideas


Fuck you are dumb


>Contrary to the belief of authoritarian communists — which I deem completely wrong — that a social revolution must be decreed and organized either by a dictatorship or by a constituent assembly emerging from a political revolution, our friends, the Paris socialists, believed that revolution could neither he made nor brought to its full development except by the spontaneous and continued action of the masses, the groups and the associations of the people.

> Contrary to the belief of authoritarian communists — which I deem completely wrong — that a social revolution must be decreed and organized either by a dictatorship or by a constituent assembly emerging from a political revolution, our friends, the Paris socialists, believed that revolution could neither he made nor brought to its full development except by the spontaneous and continued action of the masses, the groups and the associations of the people.

>It is immensely significant that this rebellion against the State has taken place in France, which had been hitherto the land of political centralization par excellence, and that it was precisely Paris, the leader and the fountainhead of the great French civilization, which took the initiative in the Commune. Paris, casting aside her crown and enthusiastically proclaiming her own defeat in order to give life and liberty to France, to Europe, to the entire world; Paris reaffirming her historic power of leadership, showing to all the enslaved peoples (and are there any masses that are not slaves?) the only road to emancipation and health; Paris inflicting a mortal blow upon the political traditions of bourgeois radicalism and giving a real basis toPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>The Paris Commune lasted too short a time, and its internal development was too hampered by the mortal struggle it had to engage in against the Versailles reaction to allow it at least to formulate, if not apply, its socialist program theoretically. We must realize, too, that the majority of the members of the Commune were not socialists, properly speaking. If they appeared to be, it was because they were drawn in this direction by the irresistible course of events, the nature of the situation, the necessities of their position, rather than through personal conviction. The socialists were a tiny minority – there were, at most, fourteen or fifteen of them; the rest were Jacobins. But, let us make it clear, there are Jacobins and Jacobins. There are Jacobin lawyers and doctrinaires, like Mr. Gambetta; their positivist presumptuous, despotic, and legalistic republicanism had repudiated the old revolutionary faith, leaving nothing of Jacobinism but its cult of unity and authority, and delivered the people of France over to the Prussians, and later still to native-born reactionaries. And there are Jacobins who are frankly revolutionaries, the heroes, the last sincere representatives of the democratic faith of 1793; able to sacrifice both their well-armed unity and authority rather than submit their conscience to the insolence of the reaction. These magnanimous Jacobins led naturally by Delescluze, a great soul and a great character, desire the triumph of the Revolution above everything else; and since there is no revolution without the masses, and since the masses nowadays reveal an instinct for socialism and can only make an economic and social revolution, the Jacobins of good faith, letting themselves be impelled increasingly by the logic of the revolutionary movement, will end up becoming socialists in spite of themselves.

>This precisely was the situation in which the Jacobins who participated in the Paris Commune found themselves. Delescluze, and many others with him, signed programs and proclamations whose general import and promise were of a positively socialist nature. However, in spite of their good faith and all their goodwill, they were merely socialists impelled by outward circumstances rather than by an inward convictioPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>Let's not forget all of the individualist anarchists who weren't part of the austrian school as well.

Individualist anarchists weren't pro-liberalism as far as I'm concerned.

>Liberalism IS liberty, you dumb shit;

>I am a fanatical lover of Liberty … not the individual liberty, selfish, mean, and fictitious advanced by the school of Rousseau and all other schools of bourgeois Liberalism

Fuck off, you pseudo-anarchist dumbfuck.

>ML and MLMs absolutely LOVE to point out this fact as if it somehow justifies their desire for the appropriation of state apparatuses.

Completely unrelated point. Also MLXs are wrong and their analyses suck.

>I don't know, anon; he sure has written a lot on the subject.

On anarchism, he wrote an introduction to another anarchist's book and maybe two other short essays. Not a lot by any stretch of the imagination.

>Liberalism's relation to anarchism is undeniable here

The relationship is one of opposition: liberalism idea of liberty is that which is conductive to bourgeois development, anarchism's idea is that of workers' freedom.

Sage because you are a faggot who brings nothing to the discussion.



Because pointing out presumed hypocrisy is somehow indicative of actual criticism; you're just being lazy.


>Individualist anarchists weren't pro-liberalism as far as I'm concerned.

I said anarchism is the most /appropriate application/ of liberal ideas; when it comes to the subject of liberty itself, the desire for individual liberty still has merit, just not in the aforementioned fictitious, bourgeois sense. That's the reason why collectivism is important; it's to achieve workers' freedom because without that, individual liberty is impossible.

>The relationship is one of opposition: liberalism idea of liberty is that which is conductive to bourgeois development, anarchism's idea is that of workers' freedom.

If you see liberalism purely as a bourgeois manifestation, then it's no wonder you see collectivism as something diametrically opposed to individualism. Libertarianism grew out of liberalism's bourgeois exacerbation, and libertarian socialism (the intersection of liberal and socialist ideas) eventually became the catch-all term for all anarchist schools of thought thereafter. Anarchism is distinguished in its liberalism; otherwise it would just be statist. Why is that so hard to understand? It's not a bad thing; it's not bourgeois.

>Not a lot by any stretch of the imagination.

Confirmed for having not read or listened to any Chomsky.

>Sage because you are a faggot who brings nothing to the discussion.

Says the one starting off the conversation by suggesting I kill myself; I'm bumping in spite.

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Reddit is feeling the effects of the alt-right's rise, and radical subs are getting removed. And here's /anarcho/, quietly waiting for recognition…

I'm not sure how to handle this. On the one hand, I want to extend solidarity to my comrades across the 'net and try to build a stronger, cohesive anarchist web presence. I don't really care about the whole reddit/chan culture divide, because frankly, chan culture is dead anyways, and reddit seems to have its own share of problems that I know little about. What we need is a new *chan culture that will cast off its reactionary tendencies and awaken its inner radicalism.

But on the other hand, the vestigial culture divide is still there. The seekrit club will either get mad at me for letting in new people, or we'll continue to be a dead board. I've made it clear time and time again that I will not stand for fascist shitposting here, or alt-left astroturfing in the form of strawmanning anarcha-feminism, queer anarchism, etc., and I've found that in other anarchist/leftist spaces online, the moderation is usually pretty bad at the most inopportune of times given the current political climate.

Use this thread as a place to discuss this.

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If you seriously believe that there's any real difference between 8chan and reddit, you're probably also delusional enough to believe that private property and the state can be separated.


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Open up Google and type in "post-left anarchy".

It'll knock your socks off dude.


I heard Imzy is a decent alternative to Reddit that will ban hate speech and the like (i.e. the alt-Reich will not be welcome), but I haven't tried it out yet. It could provide a decent space to build a leftist community, although my gut tells me it is already overrun by liberals and authoritarians. The socialist and anarchist communities on Reddit are unusable though, that much is right, they have a lot of very low effort content even in the subs dedicated to discussion and ban any dissenters on sight.


Dota 3


There are enough of us to be represented on 8ch and reddit and any independent boards too. Soli.

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rulecuckery on /anarcho/? topkek



bippedy bump



thank you bat'ko makhno



The first one of these seems a little tinfoily to be honest.


A fine documentary on early anarchism:


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Are where any popular anarcho-boards, or stuff like that, in onion or i2p?

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What do you mean? Leftypol is one of the most active imageboards



/leftypol/ sucks ass and the majority of people there aren't anarchists anymore. Hence the:

>It's interesting how comparmentalized, deranged, and unapologetically and naively authoritarian political ideologies tend to take root so strongly on the internet - particularly on imageboards.



>/leftypol/ sucks ass

That much is true.

>the majority of people there aren't anarchists anymore

This not so much.

Idk don't browse that shithole anymore but everytime I happen to end up there I see plenty of anarchists.

Unless, of course, you mean "anarchists I agree with/my type of anarchist."

Coldcubes let me post.



Well, watching the evolution of both /anarcho/ and /leftypol/, here are the things I've learned:

>Any sufficiently crowded imageboard will be filled with shitposting either by trolls or newfags and there is nothing you can do about it

>In anon imageboards nobody knows how retarded you actually are

>The "united left" is a stupid meme, after 200 years we have taken roads so far apart that talking to each other is meaningless

>Related to point above, people shilling for uniting the left are 99 times out of 100 either newfag fools who fell for the meme or opportunists trying to build a base for themselves on the work of others

>if your only anarchist/left activity is confined to shitposting on the internet or at most preaching in incredibly sheltered leftist cults, nothing of value is lost when you are gone

I was the first one to insist that as anarchists, we should have focused on strengthening this board, but no, making a "leftist" presence on 8chan with /leftypol/ was collectively decided to be more important.

So you know, things are bad, but this is the future you chose.

>I also hate other anarchists; the ones that aren't naive hard line old left types are either liberals or anarchists who are so much better at being anarchists than me that I feel like I can't even talk to them without trampling all over their freedom and autonomy.

All I read from this is "I hate all anarchists that aren't exactly how I am."

smh tbh fam


I think there's gonna be 0chan or something like that soon.

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Should we actively we fighting ayncraps the same we do fascists? Do they actually create a threat to us?

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>world is not yours

Where does the blame game stop? It is certainly initiating aggression, but that's simply how the world works. Unless were to become a solitary hermit, there is no other recourse. Every single utterance from our mouths and stroke of the pen by our hands is an aggressive verbalization - an attack on the audience.



>I have no gods, no masters. I don't follow law, I don't believe in society or religions, and so there is nothing to stop be from destroying whatever I dislike. That is the way of this world.

Then what makes it wrong for capitalists and fascists to destroy people like you? Give me something other than "muh feelings". Because that is your entire argument.

You sound like an eighth grader who thinks Anarchism means you can do what ever the fuck you want with no consequence.



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The world is already anarchy.

The fact that they DO destroy people like me is proof of this.

I simply wish to fight back. Otherwise, they will continue to do as they are doing.

Are you unaware of what happens if you break one of their rules? You get locked away, killed, beaten, or some other terrible fate. Don't act like they don't torture and oppress us if we act out of line.

You're being an uncle tom. If we don't fight back against the fascists and capitalists who already destroy people who want to live their own life, who will?



I can be rude if i want to. Your mother sucks cocks in hell :^) love you fam.

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