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 No.12499[Reply]

Let's try this again:

1. Shitposting allowed, so long as it is at least tangentially related to the board topic.

2. No spamming. Duplicate threads will be saged.

3. Follow the global rules.

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 No.12500

PLEASE REMEMBER TO USE THE CYCLICAL THREADS:

Debate Anarchism: >>10259

"X is not anarchism" thread: >>12506

FAQ thread: >>7070

Book Club Thread: >>4872

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 No.13151[Reply]

it's been awhile, /anarcho/

Since this board is basically dead and any remnants of the old communities on here and /leftypol/ have long since left, I'm not really sure what purpose I have here, but it seemed like someone needed to take up ownership.

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 No.13178

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>>13173

I have a feeling that if she did, she wouldn't be an obnoxious tripfag again and would probably mostly lurk




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 No.4381[Reply]

Pollitical compass thread!
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 No.13118

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>half the questions on any political test don't even have an option that I would consider acceptable, mostly because I disagree with the premise or framing of the question

People who think of politics in terms of multiple choice instead of an open-ended question are the real NPCs. They let "thought leaders" turn every issue into a false dichotomy akin to the trolley problem.


 No.13126

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I'm actually in a Trotskyist party, because that's the Leftism that is available to me, but I definitely seem to support anarchist positions/analysis more often.


 No.13128

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hewwo


 No.13150

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>>11274

Capitalism is based on the privatization of the means of production. Who says I have to obey the imaginary boundaries you set for land that should naturally be a human right. Land requires no labor to be produced, unlike commodities like silverware that are given value by their labor. So the enforcement of private property is only based on right of might, thus said control of property is authoritarian. Any enforcement of said private property puts an involuntary Monopoly on power when I have as much of a right to land as you do.




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 No.10482[Reply]

Hey guys what is the latest post left works that you have been reading?

Are you notiching any anti work tendecies around your friends or colleagues?

Also does anyone know here how mutch influence the SI has on post left anarchist thought?

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 No.13065

Is Tiqqun post-left?


 No.13086

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Someone redpill me on PL anarchism and what it's core values are


 No.13157

>>13086

I am kinda of a babby when it comes to theory so this is sloppy but I hope I can give you a basic notion.

Traditional leftist notions of labour, progressism and collective are rather empty/counterproductive (most base level PL) as such PL focus on a negation of not just the state and permanent hierarquical structures but also of base concepts such as the above cited as progenitors of hierarchy.

For example, a primitivist sees the very organization of labor required to maintain what would be a "civilized society" requires by itself hierarchiacal/opressive structures.

An egoist/individualist, sees the collective as a protected concept as a ghost/spook that stops them and other members of what would form into a society from being able to realise their ownness, their individuality; Also [the individualist] sees no meaning in "progress", progress really is just an abstraction to justify the usage of them as tools too further a goal removed from his own interest, once again removing his individuality.

I am not familliar enough enough with nihilism to give a proper lens of how PL would work for them, however I could guess it would be along the lines of" [the three mentioned above] havie no inherent value so why bother protecting those when you could be doing anything else for yourself, or be chasing a meaning of your own?"

Another of note is the anti-political aspect, post-leftism has a mostly shared understanding that politics is mostly theatrical, it has no real effectivity and as such its better to occupy oneself with actions that can destabilize (detterioralize with we gonna use deleuzian/accelerationist lingo)the current status quo, even if such actions are intellectual, they worry not with making it political (forming a coherent movement with a singular goal and a system/ruleset), but rather with fucking with common understandings of the world, making people doubt them and as such destabilize the systems that rely on the beliefs/culture(religion, family structure, value of anything valued, etc) sustained by the same [systems].


 No.13166

>>10482

I've been reading a lot of Zerzan articles on his website; the guy is a genius. I really love the point that agriculture was largely a fluke, and is unnatural for our existence as individual beings.

As far as anti-work goes, I haven't seen it among my comrades, and that's good. Anti-work is, imho, the most anti-anarchist and anti-labor idea to spawn from the anarchist community. Even in a primitive society, where work is minimal, you'd still need to hunt or pick trees! Not to mention the notion that, simply because of your choice not to work, you'd force others to surrender the fruits of their labor to you, which is morally abhorrent, and would leave most real anarchists aghast.


 No.13176

>>13086

Post-left is when you read Stirner but ignore Bakunin.




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 No.13153[Reply]

Mashallah, this board is now seized by the jabhat al-prat ummah pbuher

 No.13154

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>>13153

Sorry, I am an egoist-pratist already, your spooky notions of paper idolatry and belly worship removed from the ego is simply foolish.

t. EGOGANG, t. anti-verax


 No.13161

When is this board gonna become officially pratified?


 No.13162

File: c012d172dc1be83⋯.png (310.76 KB, 10800x7200, 3:2, prat_flag_kavalloglou.png)

>2019

>Not being Anarcho-Ottoman gang


 No.13163

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Never forget our roots


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 No.10196[Reply]

What Anarchist idealogy (My gott) do you subscripe to and what literature would you consider to be its fundamental theoretical basis?

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 No.13064

>>13059

> anarcho-whatever

A fan of Agamben?


 No.13066

>>13064

Never heard of him.


 No.13067

File: 3898b8a799fb7e2⋯.pdf (985.51 KB, comingcommunity.pdf)


 No.13167

>>10196

I'm kind of conflicted, because I'm an anprim in the most ideal sense, but given the immense attachment to technology by the entire world (and the inability of others to revisit their lifestyles if it's inconvenient to them personally), I've been forced to recede to individualist anarchism in public. I do believe that the invention of agriculture, while successful for groups and nations, leaves every individual worse off besides the few who can wield its centralized output to its basis, and thus is destructive to both humanity and the individual spirit. However, as it would be political suicide to say such a thing to the largely pro-industrial labor movement, I guess it makes sense to focus on individualism until society is ready for primitivism.

As far as anprim literature goes, honestly just read through as much Zerzan as you can, much of which is free. https://www.johnzerzan.net/ Also, Kaczynski's works, while pre-industrial rather than primitive, are still great primers to anti-tech thought. For individualism, the works of Lysander Spooner are a great intro, starting with "No Treason".


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 No.13081[Reply]

>This is a draft, its needs some editing I know.

We've all heard or taken part of debates of which libertarian schools of thought are true 'anarchist'. Anarcho-Capitalists and Anarcho-Communists will call each other oxymorons, and the egoist will call them both 'spooks'. We've all been there, but the question is: Which side is true anarchism?

We all mutually agree that anarchism is the opposite of statism, but to define anarchism, one must define statism. In this concept is where the argument of 'true anarchism' emerges. The problem being, is that both sides (Social anarchism, i,e Anarcho-Communism, syndicalism, etc. and economic anarchism, i,e Agorism and Anarcho-Capitalsim.) both have their own seperate definitions of statism,(Ancaps and Agorists definition meaning an organization that uses force and coercion to undermine the free market, And Ancoms and Syndicalists being an organization or political system that creates and/or enforces hierarchy.) meaning, that if you use only one side's definition of statism, The other side will irrefutably appear statist, thus an oxymoron.

Well, now that we have recognized the problem, what is the solution? To deny either sides legitimacy without argument or fact is an insult to logic itself. One solution is to use the first definition of statism, An organization that creates or enforces hierarchy, thus leaving Mutualism and Social anarchism as the true owners of the anarchist title. Declaring Anarcho-capitalism and Agorism non anarchists ideologys, or we can use the Anarcho-Capitalist's definition of anarchism, thus declaring the other side false. I'm sure there are other ways, and there may be a future essay to write about these methods.

>This essay wasnt meant to provide a solution, only to identify a problem, feel free to ask any questions or criticisms.

 No.13093

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Ancaps are less free because they allow there to be wage slavery. Unless the workers own the means of production there will be unfair distribution of wealth leading to hierarchy based on income. Workers are subjugated by huge conglomerates and may as well be ruled by the state. I am for a free market but unless there are lateral decentralized unions to regulate wages, working environment, safety, and environmental impacts on the community then peopled voices aren't being heard. The minute corporate assholes dictate our lives we should immediately revolt. Don't trade the State for Wal-mart and McDonalds.

Democracy

Freedom

Justice

Socialism


 No.13169

>>13093

I do agree with you that labor is essential to maintaining liberty, which is why I fully reject all corporate anarchism. However, I'd expand on that point that full anarcho-communism, in the sense of the abolition of all prices and market exchanges subordinates the laborer to the community as a whole, as the community is entitled to receive the fruits of labor of the community (this is why I'd consider myself a syndicalist/individualist rather than a socialist).


 No.13171

>>13169

>full anarcho-communism, in the sense of the abolition of all prices and market exchanges subordinates the laborer to the community as a whole, as the community is entitled to receive the fruits of labor of the community (this is why I'd consider myself a syndicalist/individualist rather than a socialist).

the only way to prevent individuals from being subordinated to the community is to give each individual the material conditions to produce everything they need without interacting with society as a whole. it isn't possible to do this in a modern society. it wasnt really possible to do this in any society, for that matter. at best there will exist families that possess land they can cultivate to provide for their needs, but their standard of living would be very low and simulate pre-industrial conditions.

the benefit of Marx's non-monetary system of distribution is that, in theory, workers can receive products representing their exact share of what they produced in labor-time. this is a big improvement over capitalism where the average worker has zero control over the use of their surplus product and very unequal shares of consumer goods.


 No.13172

>>13171

I guess that's fair, although I'd argue that the best way to ensure individual production is to de-industrialize to a primitive economy where goods can be cultivated easily and by almost anyone.




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 No.13121[Reply]

hello anprims! i haven't heard much from/about us on any site in awhile. anything new?

 No.13134

File: 9ca5d9fda729100⋯.jpg (10.24 KB, 225x225, 1:1, anprimfactory.jpg)

nothing ever happens with anprims


 No.13139

>anprim

>new

Are you sure you're anprim m8


 No.13168

>>13121

Hey, just been reading a lot of Zerzan and enjoying the summer wilderness




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 No.12718[Reply]

Hey Ancaps, do you support net neualty, or monopolized free market that comes from not having it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUzBMs96NN0

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 No.13028

>>12982

I hate Ancaps hijacking Agorism

>>12930

Except that private property would exist by ancapitalism, as private property is necessary for capitalism. Property is the requirement for monopoly. If somehow magically property were to be able to exist and be enforced without a state, very quickly we would get our beautiful cyberpunk dystopia with the armies of Disney, Pepsi, and Apple battling for control.


 No.13145

>>12902

i made a whole thread asking about monopolies in leftypol. I was genuinely curious about it. Guess how many examples i got?


 No.13146

>>13024

Really? When did that happen and what were the consequences for consumers?


 No.13147

>>12718

Do you have a monopoly on straw? You would need to build that many strawmen.


 No.13165

>>12718

Well, as an agorist with ancap-esque values of propertarianism and free exchange of goods, I'd argue that in a purely stateless world, the banks (which are state-funded, state-protected, and state-subsidized) and the massive corporations (which rely on bank credit and loans) would both collapse due to a lack of protection in the next economic recession. While some would see this as a tragedy, it would destroy most monopolies and reduce industries to local, sustainable enterprises. Therefore, I would argue that a stateless, pure-capitalist society would destroy the very means by which a monopoly can be formed.




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 No.12965[Reply]

Ammonist Manifesto

Written by Amón deAncré

We live today in an empty society without our own thoughts. There is no hope with this society. It is late to propose the debate with the aim of creating and / or improving a system, since people have no mind.

We believe ourselves special when we have achieved nothing.

Behold, the being that lives in the clouds, the being that does not land because he does not want to see in detail what is his reality. He does not conceive the glimpse of his condition, he ignores it, because it is comfortable for him?

Homo egocentric, being perfectly imperfect. He does not know that he has very little time left. He believes that everything is his work, without considering that what was done was not made but discovered.

It is convenient for the human being to think that freedom is his without realizing that the consequences of this unlimited freedom will come sooner rather than later. The consequences will come when we can no longer do, when that day will be our end and man will die in the most humiliating and sad predictable way.

Today is the day to lessen the humiliation and / or lengthen the time between the present and that inevitable day at this point.

The first thing we should consider is to adopt science as a way of life, eliminating any other form of archaic thought that prevents us, or on the day of our extinction.

Consider ourselves part of nature, not apart from it. Being human is being a living being, so it depends on life and is an organ of it.

Do not define what is natural or not, we are human beings and therefore we can not define something that we do not understand with concepts that we do not know.

Be humble and critical of our own existence. Give us the luxury of doubting everything and not ensuring what we do not know.

 No.12977

>>12965

>amón deancre

who?


 No.12980

I would say kill yourself but that's pretty much the logical conclusion of the OP so I'll just wait until you you realize that on your own i guess.


 No.13159

>>12965

well, that reads like a fucking prayer.

Now I see no reason why this body of thought would upheld science as a way of life, since such is one of the more brazen examples of arrongant belief of the capacity of being capable of understanding shit, wich this manifest seems oppposed to in the first place, aside from that, "Quite The Fucking Mood" as the youth would say nowdays, since I do sympathise with thefeeling of ineherent incomprehenssiveness of this world and agree with the pointlessness of improving this broke-ass system or replacing it with something else (for all systems by being systems aren't merely flawed, are doomed for failure). The notion of "Homo egocentric" is spooky as hell though, its not a matter of mere ego, more of a fixed idea of human ability, improvement overtime/whig history, and separation of "the human" from "the natural"(this one wich this text thanfully adresses.)




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 No.13069[Reply]

You Can’t Make an Alternative to Patreon Because Banks Won’t Allow It - Andrew Anglin & Weev

>dailystormer.name/you-cant-make-an-alternative-to-patreon-because-banks-wont-allow-it/

>There is no way to create an alternative funding platform, because everything is a private company. I think that probably Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson can create something that they will be allowed to operate – probably without PayPal, but with some bank doing credit card processing. And Sargon of Akkad will be allowed on that. For now, that will be allowed. Because I think that some people realize that this whole “shut it down” program is going way, way too fast. Eventually, it won’t just be PayPal that is shutting people down, it will be all banks and Visa itself. Because banks and Visa have the ability, technically, to deny people service based on their political ideology.

Couldn't there be a Patreon alternative that solely uses cryptocurrencies instead of credit cards?

 No.13148

>>13069

It's gonna happen at some point. If jordan doesn't do it first.


 No.13149

Just rob a bank it's not that hard.




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 No.13127[Reply]

I must find more like myself, where are you my friends!

 No.13137

>>13127

I'm a trans girl with an insulin pump. So I'm kinda like a cyborg or some shit. Yeah I'm really cool, I know.


 No.13144

>>13137

That's pretty cool.




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 No.13107[Reply]

How do you educate people on anarchism? Are you public with your beliefs?

 No.13108

I have no idea either, I like to talk about it and share my views with others in order to make them re-think the world we live in. I just hope to enlarge their vision, specifically about humanity and how we have to forward together because we depend on eachother (few people realise that)


 No.13110

Not sure if this is just an American thing but talking about politics is taboo IRL. My mom knows the word "anarchist" just because of the mail I would get and that's the person I've ever explained in depth to.


 No.13142

when i try being an anarchist publicly i often have to differentiate between "anarchism" and the general missconception people hold on so called "literal anarchy".

but with most of them having close to zero political knowledge, they often brush my definitions off and go jerking off to more neoliberal propaganda.

otherwise, comrade maxwell made a helpful video on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe4jcEPiwdQ


 No.13143

I'm afraid of talking about it.




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 No.13106[Reply]

What do you think of DSA? To me it's not ideal, but I want to start activism and it's the closest organization I can find. I don't know any anarchists IRL.

 No.13141

The Libertarian Socialist Caucus is obviously not the best, but if you can't organize otherwise it can be a platform for ideas and for other forms of direct action to sprout from. Try not to get dragged into the rest of the DSA's bullshit, though.




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 No.13140[Reply]

Give me all that you have about Jewish or Yiddish anarchism. Preferably the anti-Zionist kind.



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