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8b89a4 No.3691
Anarcho statist here
Why don't you guys take anarcho-statism seriously? it's a voluntary contract between citizens and the state. A voluntaryist state. Slavery rights is allowed, but so is non-slavery and you should mostly just avoid slavery. To make it easier, citizens can collectively sign one large contract of consent. All economies will be allowed, though a voluntary capitalism would be prefered.
8b89a4 No.3692
Just to be clear, anarch-statism is completely voluntary. I consent to leave the decision making to a few, who are representing me personally.
8b89a4 No.3693
Switzerland is a prime example of anarcho-statism.
5ce698 No.3694
>anarcho statist
>anarchostatism
>anarchism with statism
929960 No.3695
I hear so many retards who know NOTHING about geopolitics talking like they don't like statism…what they don't understand is you are FREE TO LEAVE at any time, it is completely voluntary.
And then they complain about "muh police brutality" like they have never heard of the non-aggression principle. It's very simple: violating the property rights of the state is aggression. Violating laws you have consented to (by virtue of USING THE STATES PROPERTY) is aggression.
Really, its a performative contradiction to argue against the state while reaping the benefits of living in one. You literally couldn't even be making that argument if it wasn't for statism. And the fact that you are voluntarily asking to leave the state means you have an inherent understanding of the NATURAL RIGHT right for the state to freely exist.
5ce698 No.3696
>>3695>FREE TO LEAVE at any time, it is completely voluntary.Depending on your state's border policy, you might be forbidden from leaving entirely. Even if that's not the case, you need means to leave and a place to leave
to.
>It's very simple: violating the property rights of the state is aggression.I think wage slavery is aggression. We have reached an impasse.
>Violating laws you have consented to (by virtue of USING THE STATES PROPERTY) is aggression.The states property is illegitimate. I also have no choice but to accept, it is a forced contract.
>its (sic) a performative contradiction to argue against the state while reaping the benefits of living in one.That's like saying you can't argue against the political party currently in power as you are living under their rule.
Also the system we propose would be far more beneficial for us.
>And the fact that you are voluntarily asking to leave the state means you have an inherent understanding of the NATURAL RIGHT right for the state to freely exist.Wut?
4538d6 No.3697
>anarcho
>statism
What the fucking shit
3d21de No.3698
10/10
8b89a4 No.3720
Obviously this is a dig at anarcho-capitalists and their retarded hierarchy crap.
d3a809 No.3730
>>3691What we have presently is 'anarcho statism'. No rulers but the state. Nobody rules the states, either. The world-politics realm is anarchic.
af7874 No.3756
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I see what you did there
0610e4 No.6424
>>3691>voluntary contract between citizens and the stateThat sounds pretty much like Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan and is definitley not anarchist.
The problem with this theory is that this 'contract' is fictional and that it is assumed that everyone by birth assigns to this contract. That is ignorant and somehow stupid.
Furthermore it assumes that the state allways will do the best for it inhabitants and secure theri freedom, but that is wrong as history and present times have shown.
4c8379 No.6443
c88cbb No.6482
d0ee79 No.6520
Anarcho-statism? You mean anarcho-communism?
#shotsfired
f2c977 No.6526
>>6520this
collectivism === authoritarianism
503583 No.6528
f2c977 No.6529
>>6528>'theft' as a forcible violation of property presupposes the existence of property…"-Karl Marx
>yfw he was exactly right about this>yfw you just acknowledged the existence of property 592e31 No.6531
>>6529>Im gonna Quote Marx>To an anarchist>Cause hes really a filthy commie 2668bf No.6550
c88cbb No.6553
>>6520OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#REKT
f2c977 No.6567
>>6531>I'm not a communist>I just want communismalso Ad-hominem bro
who cares who said it, all that matters is that he was right.
b111a7 No.6570
>>6526Imagine an anarchist city when peolpe gather up on a weekly / monthly basis to talk about problems the city is facing (pollution, natural hazard, etc…). If the solution they come up with doesn't coerce someone, then the system is collectivist, but not authoritarian.
3d21de No.9233
Preserving this for future generations.
f1fc98 No.9234
>anarcho-feminism
>anarcha-queer
>anarcho-nationalism
>anarcho-fascism
>anarcho-monarchism
>and now, anarcho-statism
8/8
c60cc5 No.9330
>>9234
don't forget anarcho-communism
so many special snowflake ideologies!
000000 No.9388
>>3695
"It's very simple: violating the property rights of the state is aggression. "
No. Property is violence, because it's impossible to maintain without violence & coercion. The State has no right to point guns at people and say 'stay off this land', only by virtue of force. Many anarchists therefore consider it self-defense, even to use violence to liberate land, let alone merely violating property rights.
f1fc98 No.9392
>>9330
anarcho communism is an oxymoron, the proper word for it would be libertarian socialism or anarcho syndicalism
just my opinion
6d81eb No.9395
>>9392
I don't think you understand comrade, please educate yourself. Anarcho-communism is communism organized and reached with Anarchist principles and Anarcho-syndicalism is a method of reaching communism by using unions.
ace47b No.9871
>>6520
Just as much bait as OP.
>>6529
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, the one who coined the phrase "Property is Theft" was referring to state property. Personal property is not theft. Private and state property is.
>>9342
Communism is an ideology, it can't kill anyone. Just like how guns don't kill people, people do. Same goes for communism; it doesn't kill people, the leaders in charge do.
1a06b9 No.9874
>>3691
I don't take anarcho-statism seriously because it is a contradiction in terms. A state is inherently authoritarian.
What you propose as a 'state' is either truly a state and you have deluded yourself into believing the authoritarian lies that your vote can truly change the system itself, or simply collectivist anarchism.
I am fine with collectivist anarchism. A state? No thank you.
713895 No.9875
This is basically a thinly veiled argument for libertarianism/anarcho-capitalism. Pull your head out of your ass.
5657c8 No.9879
You can tell who here is from /leftypol/ by how seriously they take the OP