/anarcho/ - Anarchism Board

wew lads, I did not expect to see anything actually come out of this thread. People love to talk about "what if we just like made our own commune bruh", but it seems like nothing ever comes of them. Also this board gets such a small amount of traffic that I forget to come here.

I'm just giving the thread bump while I read through it. From what I've read initially: I fucking love the idea of founding a network of syndicates within the abandoned buildings of Detroit, but that's because I'm an urbexfag and a /cyber/punk, so the idea of being able to be in the city and living in abandoned buildings is goddamned awesome sounding. If you guys are interesting in doing something like that, we definitely need to reach out to as many anarchist communities out there as possible on and off the net, because I could see that kind of thing requiring quite a bit of manpower.

Trying to join the FSP would be a little easier, but not as cool.

>>8952

Yeah, here's my email: n1x@goat.si

>>8954

Sent you the chatroom link just so you have it, but there's no reason to really click it now because I think we should try and work out a weekly time to chat. I sent you my thoughts on that in another email.

>>8952

I remember lurking this thread a few weeks back and digging what I was reading, I need to read the whole thing though

here's an email; stukedreca@throam.com

>>8974

There are a bunch of shitty group chatrooms like titanpad or flockdraw or shit like that, that we could use and then basically throw away when we're done. Also email

>>8982

Sent you an email, if you're the same guy as stukedreca. Also to the other guy.

>>8988

oi, eaten@riseup.net

also, I would recommend Tox. It's stable for the most part.

Just letting everyone else on the email list know that cock.li has been having server issues recently, so my emails may not be sending.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for an email account at Riseup to be approved - if not just so I'll have a backup account.

>>9015

Sent you an email.

>>9017

I got the two emails from you about 8PM EST being too late, and the longer one about the Free Detroit people, and just replied.

The stukedreca@throam.com guy hasn't replied to the email I CCed him in though.

>>9018

I also don't really have a proper mailing list set up, I can't find that function on my Mail.com account, so I've just been replying normally to you. So if you or Eaten want to set up a proper mailing list that would be fantastic,

>>9019

Right, I just tested that address and it does indeed appear to be working.

I don't know anything about Mail.com. I could see if cock.li has a mailing list function.

>>9023

Yeah, I don't really know what the fuck these Free Detroit people are even doing, but the Fireweed Universe City thing is a great find. I do wonder how anarchist they are, but they seem like they'd be welcoming to a bunch of anarchist settlers.

It's something that hasn't been discussed very much yet, but as far as the beginning stages goes, yeah, it's going to require a bit of startup capital. It's possible that we could make whatever money we need to buy shit we wouldn't realistically be able to make (I'm thinking complicated devices like electronics that require access to the means of production which are entirely unavailable to us short of a full revolution) from selling whatever we can make or whatever services we can provide. If we were able to produce enough surplus produce from urban farming, we could easily undercut any corporate supermarkets, for instance, and be selling a better product to the community. It's important to remember that we would likely have little to no regular expenses since we wouldn't be paying rent to a landlord and would be living off the grid, so any money we'd be making could go directly into shit we need.

I may be repeating myself a lot here, but organizing is what we need. The more people we get involved in a project like this, the more resources and labor we can pool and the more overall strength we'd have as a settlement. Maybe I need to look harder or smarter, but it's disheartening to see how little activity ansoc has in the US in comparison to the ayncraps and libertarians, especially with regards to any sort of praxis like just having an anarchist space. There's land and buildings for the taking in Detroit, and I know there are at least a couple thousand ansoc people in the US. Where the fuck are mah comrades at?

>>9024

Vid related has a really interesting insights into what this Fireweed thing really is all about. The fist half is mostly feel good shit, but towards the middle and the end he sort of gets a little more raw as far as what day to day life is like up there. He says the community is open to whoever. He mentions there being crackheads and all, so I'm sure they've attracted a lot of different people and wouldn't be bothered by some anarchists. He stays away from political affiliations in the vid, but it's clear that it's largely anarchic.

I feel the organization. I'm just really happy to see stuff like Fireweed is already happening, but it seems to me that these people are doing this because the current system has failed where they are and they'd be happy to forego all of this if Detroit bounced back. I don't know. I'd need to feel out the vibe there personally, but it doesn't seem like these people are against the state.

Overall, I dig the Detroit option more than I dig going innawoods to the FSP. I like the urban environment too much.

>>9027

Watching this right now.

Yeah, from what I've seen thus far, it looks like this group and the Free Detroit people are basically aiming to rebuild Detroit with community organization and community service shit - which is all fine and good, but as you said, I think that they're only doing this because they have to for their own survival, and would be glad to see the State come back and fix things. It's good that there are people there showing that it is possible to make something happen with the abandoned areas of Detroit, but they're project of rebuilding Detroit is worrisome to me because if it ended up being too successful I could easily see a bunch of land appraisers and developers swooping in and claiming everything for the capitalist elite once it becomes valuable again.

Herein lies the importance of organizing with other ansoc anarchists. While I think we can all agree that we hate living under a capitalist regime and that the idea of living rent-free and job-free in an anarchist federation of communes and syndicates today sounds too good to be true, this isn't just for our own well-being. If we were to go through with this experiment, the aim would also be to prove that an anarchist society can work and can be prosperous, while also hopefully creating an anarchist space for the anarchists of the US to convene. If capitalists did end up trying to swoop in, then, we'd actively resist them.

I also am far more into the Detroit option, and it's starting to look like it wouldn't be unrealistically more difficult that joining the FSPers. I think joining the FSP should only be our last resort if we just can't get this thing off the ground and find enough anarchists willing to do this thing.

>>9029

Some more helpful shit on occupying Detroit (yes, it is Plebbit): http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/1jtd6y/squat_detroit/

"Detroiter here.

I think there are some remarkable opportunities for Detroit area anarchists. Shrekcellent already commented about the Trumbullplex, an already existing institution. There's also a bike co-op/squatters community/vegetarian cafe-meets-couch-surfing-locale that had a lot of influence in Occupy Detroit. Detroit is also rife with projects in community owned farming (See Brightmoor Farms, Earthworks, etc.) and other community oriented projects. There are tons of other social justice institutions in the area (my workplace, the Michigan Roundtable for Diversity and Inclusion, Affirmation [technically in a suburb], the Ruth Ellis Center, etc.). [Ninja edit: Check out Fireweed University, which is really cool!]

That all said, before you move to Detroit and start trying to make the locals revolt, remember some things about Detroit. Firstly, the poverty is immense. Around a third of people live below the poverty line - officially defined as a family of four subsisting on 20,000 dollars or less. Countless more are in the working poor or lower, lower, middle class. Half of the city is only functionally literate, with a substantial minority lacking the ability to read in any amount. Combine this with being the textbook example for Urban Sprawl, a city government that doesn't even pretend to try, and the extreme racial tension between second and third ring suburbs and the city, and you get a population of some of the most dispossessed people in the United States.

So, yes. Come to Detroit! Please! But don't due so with some grand idea of building the next Freetown Christiania. Don't think you're going to collectivize the DIA. Come to Detroit to live and work in solidarity with people who need it, with people who have been abandoned."

I hadn't considered this final point very seriously myself. I've always had like a fantasy of organizing a homeless revolt, but have never been too sure of how possible such a thing would be considering that a lot of homeless unfortunately have mental/drug issues or just a general (understandable) distrust of other people. But I wonder whether this could further be a benefit to considering Detroit; suppose we were able to get a bunch of anarchist settlers together, while also bringing together the downtrodden proletariat of Detroit into our community? That would be a revolution in the making if I ever saw one.

There's also this group Trumbullplex in Detroit - some sort of intentional anarchist community:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumbullplex

http://trumbullplex.org/

There's some organization potential right there.

To anyone who hasn't gotten an email from me yet, me and one other guy are thinking about Saturdays for having a chat on the Titanpad service. Post your emails in this thread so we can start to tell all you anons apart from eachother. I'm declining to post my own email in here the to keep out spammy shitposters.

>Go to chatzy.com

>Instantly forces me to enable JS due to emerging through a Tor exit node

>Site has no HTTPS

>It is 'free' (as in your communications are sold to third parties) is chock-full of trackers

Guys, srsly

Get a fucking IRC going. On Freenode.

One can't discuss tactics like this.

>>9040

Yeah, I don't know where chatzy came from, but really we should be Toxing.

>>9040

>>9042

Sorry about that, we're actually using Titanpad now, not Chatzy. At least for the first chat on Saturday, we can discuss which service to use in that.

Or not, I mean if I'm the only person who really wants Titanpad than I'll go for Tox instead.

But you two should post your emails if you haven't already, and then I can get you in contact with the other techie guy on the email list and you guys can figure out what you want, then we can all give our votes for which service to use.

>>9031

Well, as another anon has said here >>9037 part of the problem is that we need to demonstrate that we're serious. A bunch of fags on an imageboard talking about occupying Detroit isn't enough to get most people's attention, but the more momentum we get and the more established our community becomes, the more people see that stability of our project and the more we'll be able to convince other anarchists to join us - as well as possibly get the endorsement of some major propagandists like CrimethInc., for instance, or other such groups.

But nevertheless, I agree that getting together some information - perhaps setting up a website even - would be great too. Having something tangible goes a long way.

>>9036

I still think that we're going to need more than five people settling there kek. There's an anarchist bookstore/cafe in my town, and I have like three anarchist friends, so I have some potential connections in my area and the people around here might be able to get me in touch with other anarchists/collectives/bookstores, so with a bit of work I might be able to get more people in my area interested in a startup sort of anarchist settlement in Detroit.

But, nevertheless, Trumbullplex and the Fireweed people do indeed make a huge difference. There are already things happening in the area that, like the abandoned buildings, are just waiting to be made into something valuable. And having squatters already established there is also huge because it means whatever group of settlers we get together wouldn't need to build everything up from the ground-up in an area none of us would be physically acquainted with.

I agree completely as well that trying to convince non-anarchists and non-activists - even if they are downtrodden and fed-up with their society - is somewhat of an exercise in futility when there are thousands of ansoc anarchists in the US who would be glad to join something like this if they saw that it was something real.

And yes, I agree that the ayncraps and liberals would probably be willing to help us out. What's important is that the ansoc position isn't under-represented and overshadowed by either one, because even if the liberals or ayncraps consider us to be a benign presence and would be willing to help us out, they still are only the enemy of our enemies (the State and Capitalists), make no mistake.

The FSP is significantly more established than anything we'd likely be able to get together, and will have a hell of a lot more ayncraps than we'd have ansoc. Detroit already has an anarchist presence and some libruls who probably would be more amenable to the idea of anarchism than ayncraps. But as I've said before, I definitely wouldn't discount the New Hampshire option entirely either.

>>9043

At a glance, it looks like Titanpad is sensitive to the privacy of its users, so I think it should work for the first meeting. Tox/IRC would probably be a better option IMO for future meetings.

>>9060

send this guy an email for the Tox meeting >>9053

(if you don't have Tox, it's really easy to set up): https://wiki.tox.im/Binaries

Does anyone who's knowledgeable about Tox want to shoot me an email to help me get the group going?

Riseup says he might not be available to send out invites, and he sent me a Groupbot that lists all the active groups. His email says the /anarcho/ group should be in the list, but it's not.

You'll have to post your email in the thread this time.

Sorry for the triple post, but it's actually not eaten@riseup.net that you'll have to email, since I'm not him and he's not available right now, I should've emphasized that I'm not him.

You'll have to just post your email in the thread, because I'm using the "official" Anarcho Chat email that I'm not giving out publicly.

Okay guys, so maybe I'm just an idiot and am doing something wrong, but I don't think you're able to create a groupchat using the default Groupbot that's listed on the wiki. Either that or the ToxBot source code on Github is just meant to be available for people to contribute to considering that the project is FOSS. But in any event, trying to set up a groupchat and then connect to it just results in me getting an "Error: Invalid group number" no matter what I put in.

So, anyways, I've been working for a few hours now getting Tox installed on my Linux machine so I can set up a groupchat using Toxic, but there's a lot of dependencies I have to install and it's been taking far longer than I could have imagined. I'm not going to be able to stay for very long at all in the chat today anyways either, so I wouldn't count on me being able to set something up in forty minutes.

So for the time being, I'm looking into whether I might be able to get something set up on IRC. But I've never used IRC before, so I kind of doubt I'll be able to get anything set up in time. For the time being, unless everyone is able to get organized onto something more convenient like Titanpad for this meeting, I'd recommend to just have an unofficial meeting in the thread and we can have something better set up for next week when two of us aren't going to be gone.

>>9069

Never mind comr8s, I've got us a channel set up on Freenode.

You'll need an IRC client (check this page for suggested clients: https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml)

Then, you'll need to connect to a server. If you add chat.freenode.net from Freenode's servers, you'll find #anarcho in the chat list. Post your emails if you haven't already so Eric can send you the chatroom password.

>>9074

Then why don't you suggest something instead of posting useless shit, comr8?

>2002 + 13

>not using Tor

Freenode allows for Tor and TLS connection simultaneously. It's known for hosing many channels of well-known free software projects.

Provide a better known/trusted IRC that allows for both Tor and TLS.

Tox is a project that started only a few years ago on fucking 4chan and has had many problems and controversies/drama over their short period of existence, everything from lousing programming, to bad encryption, to authoritarian behavior from 'senior' staff.

No you FBI.

>>9078 meant to link to >>9074

>>9085

>implying we don't know our shit

leave

Liberland is a good choice if you're an ayncrap. They've already started to rustle the Croatian government - still a shame it's basically just a small area of 7 km^2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland

>>9096

The first sentence should say "neither of the two people I was emailing are emailing me back"

>>9018

Stukedreca was just a temporary email, darih@420blaze.it is the more permanent one, but I never got anything in either– that may be because cockmail is freaking out tho

>>9102

You're not Nix, are you?

It looks like anyone interested in this are going to have to just start up a conversation with me in this thread, since the two people I've been emailing aren't writing back.

I assume their emails just aren't working, if either of you have actually managed to hold a chat on IRC or Titanpad, you should tell me about it here.

Otherwise, for anyone else, just talk to me on here. It looks like no one other than Darih, Nix, and Eaten want to post their emails.

>>7358

i think about 1/3rd of kenyans use bitcoin for remittances now

i dont wanna live in a ghetto