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 No.7070

This is the old FAQ thread. I deleted some errata that showed n1x's favoritism.

FAQ's

What is Anarchism?

The word "anarchy" is from the Greek, prefix an (or a), meaning "not," "the want of," "the absence of," or "the lack of", plus archos, meaning "a ruler," "director", "chief," "person in charge," or "authority." Or, as Peter Kropotkin put it, Anarchy comes from the Greek words meaning "contrary to authority."

While the Greek words anarchos and anarchia are often taken to mean "having no government" or "being without a government," as can be seen, the strict, original meaning of anarchism was not simply "no government." "An-archy" means "without a ruler," or more generally, "without authority," and it is in this sense that anarchists have continually used the word. - An Anarchist FAQ

How would x in an Anarchist society

How does it work in this one?

Chaos etc.

See above.

Human nature

status quo ≠ unchangeable fact of humans.

Resources (no longer affiliated)

IRC

/server irc.rizon.net

/join #anarcho

The Anarchist Library

http://www.theanarchistlibrary.org

An Anarchist FAQ

http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html

Resource guide (Inactive, needs to be replaced)

https://sites.google.com/site/anarchoguide/

Wiki (Will replace the resource guide)

https://anarchism.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.libcom.org

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/archivehome.html

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 No.7072

>Resource guide
If it's going to remain stagnant until the end of time I'd say we should remove it.
I wouldn't say it is really useful as it stands, and unfortunately we lack the means to add to it.
I'd be in favor of copying it to another place where we could continue developing it, though.

 No.7081

>>7072
A 8chan wiki, like the ones they have made for 4chan boards? i'm in for it.

What free as in anarchist services are there which allow us to host our content, with collaboration?

 No.7082

>>7081
plus, this would make the resource guide anarchist in nature, instead of being edited by the board owner with the consent of the people here.

 No.7112

Threadly reminder that we have an IRC channel at:
/server irc.rizon.net
/join #anarcho

 No.7464

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/anarcho/ has their own voat (read: new reddit) now:
https://voat.co/v/anarcho/
In case you are into that kind of shit.
I'm not.

 No.7492

>>7464
I looks like a 404 from here.

 No.7493

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>>7492
Yeah, the creator killed it I think (he is also the guy who runs /v/marx/).
If anyone really cares for a reddited /anarcho/ they can probably claim it. I don't see the point but maybe some people would be inclined.

 No.7562

>How would x in an Anarchist society
>How does it work in this one?

i still don't understand how things could function as they do today without any kind of governing body

i'm genuinely curious, anyone care to explain?

for example, who theoretically organises and distributes capital for infrastructure upkeep and development?

 No.7585

>>7562
Look here:

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-10-17

If you are using GNU/Linux and it's a debian based distro, simply "sudo apt-get install anarchism"

 No.7586

>>7562

Go to: http://faif.us/

Download and listen to " 0x52: Legal Issues from a Radical Community Angle "

Debian developers explain how finances are handled. Basically there are multiple institutions[decentralization] which manage finances and each institution is like a committee.

 No.7593


 No.7783

I found a really good and lengthy article on TV Tropes, it doesn't cover everything and there is a small error but it has loads of great info; http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Anarchism

 No.8090

Bumping for threadly reminder that we have an IRC channel at:
/server irc.rizon.net
/join #anarcho

 No.9091

so how can you resume anarcho communism in a nutshell?


 No.9092

>>9091

Read the thread, plenty of resourcesl there.


 No.9110

>>7070

>Haymarket martyrs, Ukrainian Free Territory, Spanish revolution.

Those are all pretty poor examples tbh, not one of those ended well for anybody.


 No.9112

>>9110

You mean because they didn't win because they had all the weight of both world wars thrown at them?


 No.9114

>>9112

The OP post says

>Anarchism has never accomplished anything and doesn't work in real life

Those three are prime examples of how anarchism REALLY hasn't accomplished anything.


 No.9115

>>9114

I suppose building a society that provided authentic socialism, not to mention a livelihood, for millions of people for however long the could stand before World War crushed them is not accomplishing anything?


 No.9118

>>9115

Which one are you talking about?


 No.9120

>>9118

Spain, Ukraine, Korea, etc.


 No.9151

>>7070

>For anarchists, anarchy means "not necessarily absence of order, as is generally supposed, but an absence of rule." - An Anarchist FAQ

Hm I always heard it as "an absence of rulers, not of rule"


 No.9171

>FAQ ## Board Owner

hmm

An Anarchist FAQ wasnt written by anarchists. liberal


 No.9181

>>9171

>An Anarchist FAQ wasnt written by anarchists

Fuck off ayncrap


 No.9216

>>9181

No, fuck you.

That shit was written by authoritarian maoists and it's a massive distortion.

Only anarchists that exist are social/communists and "capitalist individualists"? Ahaha, no.

It says to have the "anarchist answer" to every topic. Fucking trash.


 No.9228

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>>9216

Daily reminder that ayncraps just want a private state.


 No.9697

>>9216

yeah sure

maoists

oh wait no

THEY'RE NOT FUCKING MAOISTS


 No.9985

Capitalism is the bets proven system around tbh


 No.9987

>>7493

putting power in the hands of the stupid weak and lazy is a recipe for disaster


 No.10034

>tfw wartorn 3rd world home country is dead and gang ridden to a cannibalistic state, and i'm too shit skin for national-socialism.

I'll never see equality in people again especially jews, there is too much evidence that all the people the left parades are just throwing away the keys to their one world government.

It just makes sense, national socialism makes sense why everything is so corrupt and ruined to work against it goyims. The only ideology that makes sense and by default i'm dead to it.


 No.10035

>>10034

Why do you even come here? Do you think people agree with you at all? You know your ideas are the combination of a laughing stock and hate by everyone here who isn't a shitposter?


 No.10683

If I was in an anarcho-syndicalist society and I wanted to start a capitalist enterprise, could I? Are there restrictions on differing from the norm?newfag alert - very sorry :(


 No.10687

>>10683

Well, were anarchy to become a reality and we lived in a syndicalist society, you wouldn't exactly be able to start one.

How would you get workers to exploit when they already have jobs that they enjoy and have access to pretty much anything they could need or want already from the commune storehouse? How would you get people to recognize any form of currency if we were living in a moneyless society without any banks to back a form of currency?

You should look into the history of capitalism to see where I'm going with this. It's called "primitive accumulation" - the process where by capitalists expropriated the commons from the peasants during the transition from feudalism to capitalism. It was anything but a tea party. For around 200 years or so, the majority of Europeans were forcibly removed from the common land (this is called "enclosure") that they depended on for survival and were forced to either sell their labor in exchange for a wage to buy the means of subsistence, or oftentimes there weren't able to and became vagabonds. There was an epidemic of hunger that affected Europe during this time and ruined the lives of millions of people whose stories will never be told.

Basically, the point I'm making is that it'd be impossible for a capitalist enterprise to form within anarchy without basically engaging in what amounts to banditry.


 No.10880

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This is now /Yukari Akiyama/


 No.10887

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>>10880

This is now /salutoalduce/


 No.10912

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I've got some questions.

What does "absence of rule" or "absence of authority" mean?

Would it be accurate to say most anarchists, or the ones here, are more interested in strong minarchism?

The board subtitle says you're anti-authoritarian; is libertarianism relevant to anarchism (or the form seen here)? Is it a different approach to a similar goal? Is it driving at a different goal?

Is this where all the people are coming from that are belittling people for being "statist"?

Is that term relevant to this board, and if so is there actually an agreed-on meaning for it?

Is the color scheme here something you guys really like, or is it supposed to be ironically edgy and look like what people imagine an anarchist web page looks like?

Why is this one of the most organized and ordered boards I've ever seen?


 No.10913

>>10912

>What does "absence of rule" or "absence of authority" mean?

Authority as I understand it in anarchist terminology is essentially power that is codified and made ahistorical through institutions of centralized governance.

For example: The Civil Rights movement was a case of marginalized groups seizing power from their oppressors through their own autonomous actions. These were concrete, historic events and the protagonists of these events were the individuals for whom these restructurings of power were concerned. The laws that resulted from these struggles, however, were the codification of these struggles into an inert, dead legal system. The State was granted the authority to forever act in the name of these individuals for whom the structures of power were concerned - because of our Enlightenment beliefs in democratic states, and not because of anything concrete.

>Would it be accurate to say most anarchists, or the ones here, are more interested in strong minarchism?

Absolutely not. All anarchists wish to abolish all forms of hierarchy entirely.

>The board subtitle says you're anti-authoritarian; is libertarianism relevant to anarchism (or the form seen here)? Is it a different approach to a similar goal? Is it driving at a different goal?

No. Libertarianism wishes to preserve capitalism while doing away with the state bureaucracy that was created to displace the need for enforcing the logic of capital onto another entity where the ruled's frustrations and desires for change could be put onto.

Anarchists are unquestionably opposed to capitalism and consider it likewise to be the codification of power into insitutions. The logic of capital, the market's demands, and the laws that are necessary to enforce private property are all authority being seized from workers when the workers are the protagonists of all events involving structures of power where labor is transformed into a commodity.

>Is this where all the people are coming from that are belittling people for being "statist"?

Probably not.

>Is that term relevant to this board, and if so is there actually an agreed-on meaning for it?

It's pretty much synonymous with "authoritarian" or "totalitarian", IMO.

>Is the color scheme here something you guys really like, or is it supposed to be ironically edgy and look like what people imagine an anarchist web page looks like?

I do enjoy the ironic edge, and I also think dark pages are nicer for viewing, but black has historically been the color anarchism has been associated with.

>Why is this one of the most organized and ordered boards I've ever seen?

Anarchists are all about organization, believe it or not. The question is over how to organize in a manner that is fully autonomous.


 No.10924

>>10913

Thanks for your answers, can I ask more (from you or anyone)?

> civil rights etc.

that makes sense

> no hierarchy

I don't think I follow, how can you ensure no one is ever in a superior position to anyone else? If you did, how would you get anything done? I know Valve and others like to pretend otherwise, but what kind of sizable project doesn't require a foreman or supervisor or director?

> destruction of capitalism

that makes sense enough, again

> destruction of capital

Again, I don't understand. One person can't fill all of their own needs– at the very least, some day they'll need a doctor. How can a remotely modern and healthy society function without capital and without everyone constantly bitching about how they should get recompense for the things they do?

> statist synonymous with authoritarian

Are you sure they're not from here?

> thematic and functional

cool

> of course we're organized

Well it's more that things are delineated into different threads. I would think, not least of all from what you said, that anarchists would reject any sort of authority that tries to box them in. I mean, going against it is kind of a dick move and it doesn't gain you anything, but you could say the same about any number of programs that require a government to exist and function.


 No.10961

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Is there some Anarchist literature that explores Anarchist organization of industrial economy?

I.e. the end-state that Anarchists are working towards. In case of Marxists (at least of ML variety) there is Socialism - Central Planning which advances economy (via development of heavy industry), and is controlled by workers (via direct democracy and their representatives who subject to being recalled at any moment).

What would be Anarchist goal?


 No.10963

>>10961

The abolition of the economy as an autonomous (and the dominating) sector of life. Wait… I think that's Marx…

The unifying goal among anarchists is the abolition of all authority. The different schools of anarchist thoughts have different ideas of what kind of economic arrangement would make this possible. The most popular seems to be anarcho-syndicatism, so you should just read that book that some kind anon linked you on that other board. It's pretty short, so read the whole thing instead of getting butthurt that anarchists were not amazed by the primitive capitalism in the USSR.


 No.10965

>>10963

> The most popular seems to be anarcho-syndicatism, so you should just read that book that some kind anon linked you on that other board. It's pretty short, so read the whole thing instead of getting butthurt that anarchists were not amazed by the primitive capitalism in the USSR.

Oh, I am reading. But not the propaganda pamphlet, but the other book. The one that actually deals with the practice, not wishful thinking. Notes about Central Planning in Catalonia, for example, are quite enlightening.


 No.10970

>>10963

>The unifying goal among anarchists is the abolition of all authority.

What does that *mean*, though?


 No.10971

>>10970

The hierarchical structures cease to exist.

The problem is actual understanding of what that means in practice. Some people assume no bureaucracy/administration of any kind (this idea bleeds over to some Marxian economists, btw).

Others (those who deal with practice) apparently are much more lenient. But that would also mean that USSR (first half of it) would fit this description of "no authority" (provided we are talking about real USSR, not Cold War propaganda).

The only practical examples of Anarchism are Makhno's Free State (which was rapidly descending into Pol Pot levels of social dementia) and Anarcho-Syndicalist Catalonia, which (as far as I've read) proves to be remarkably similar to Soviet system - and Paris Commune, for that matter.

This begs the question - what the fuck is modern Anarchists actual problem with Marxists? So far I'm getting something along the lines of "because it's tradition".

P.s. I'm obviously dropping Berkman and his groupies into the "propaganda" bin.


 No.11028

>>10970

>The unifying goal among anarchists is the abolition of all authority.

anarcho-christians are not against all authority,same with ayncraps


 No.11030

>>11028

ayncraps are not anarchists, with religion it can be argued that either they're not anarchists or for them God is more a part of the natural world than something that's been forced from outside


 No.11034

Is it possible to live in an anarchist society under a country which is actively governed?


 No.11039

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>>11034

>actively governed?

By a state orrr…? Cause goverment and state dont mean the same.


 No.11049

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>>11030

Capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism. Not only are they compatible, but you can't really have one without the other. True anarchism will be capitalism, and true capitalism will be anarchism


 No.11052

>>11049

um, excuse me?


 No.11060

>>11049

ayncrap changing flags again? is this 2014?


 No.11061

>>11060

rand was not a libertarian


 No.11069

>>11049

please leave


 No.12735

>>11061

>expecting leftist "anarchists" to understand pretty much anything


 No.13133

File: d7545aa931704b4⋯.png (693.87 KB, 731x5543, 731:5543, men and the bible.png)

Is Christian Anarchist real, or is it like anarcho-capitalist, because the bible teaches hierarchies, and religious and gender divisions, so it can't have the equality value.




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