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3ead0c No.8079

What is the general consensus on Christian Anarchism? Is Christianity inherently hierarchical or exploitative? Can Christians be anarchists or vice versa?

Maybe expanding out the topic even further, what is the role of religion within anarchism? Is anarchism a purely political/economic position or is it an entire lifestyle? Can one be spiritual and still be an anarchist?

0c6b13 No.8110

>>8079
>>8079
>What is the general consensus on Christian Anarchism?
It's fucking stupid
>Is Christianity inherently hierarchical or exploitative?
Yes
>Can Christians be anarchists or vice versa?
Yes
>Maybe expanding out the topic even further, what is the role of religion within anarchism?
There isn't one
>Is anarchism a purely political/economic position or is it an entire lifestyle?
political/economic
>Can one be spiritual and still be an anarchist?
Of course, I am not spiritual but I think that the religious can be anarchists. But there is some grey area, like with Sharia Law.

d80bbb No.8111

>>8079
its pretty cool, jesus sets down some pretty great anarcho socialist principles.
>>8110
Christianity is not inherently heirarchical or exploitative, catholicism, eastern orthodox and c of e are all hierachical but they aren't the only christian ideologies and I would argue they aren't even christian.

e010c4 No.8112

I don't mind them.

6d480b No.8117

I don't see anything inherently wrong about a christian being an anarchist, or any other religious beliefs really. Worship a giant smoked ham for all i care, you're free, you can do it if you want, just dont involve me in your religiousness.

I don't have a problem with the religious beliefs of an individual, i hate organized religions that are just as oppressive and dehumanizing as any state.

c6e5d1 No.8133

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well not to call op or >>8110 ignorant or uneducated. but there's a long history of people like (just for example) jacques ellul and tolstoy and the like making the case that jesus was an anarchist.

not that this thread amounts to an atheist inviting other atheists to give an OPINION on one particular religion and it's place in relation to an extremely vague ideology.

but yeah that's what it looks like

anyway you've left out anarcho-islam and that's probably racist

d592e5 No.8244

>>8111
>catholicism, eastern orthodox and c of e are all hierachical but they aren't the only christian ideologies and I would argue they aren't even christian.
I'm sorry, but this is a pretty ignorant statement to make, particularly regarding Orthodoxy. You may not like them, but they are as Christian as Christianity gets.

d592e5 No.8245

>>8244
I'll elaborate a bit. I'm talking from a historical perspective. They most closely resemble the early church and were the ones who decided what is Christian and what is not. I'm not a fan of them, but that's how it went down. Frankly, I'm more fond of early heresies like Gnosticism.

820691 No.8246

>>8244
the icons are blatant idolatry, and you don't build structures like st basils if you've given up all wealth. It russian folk religion with a deity they've named after christ

820691 No.8247

>>8245
and they represent the split from the message of christ, gnostics do have some good bits but some i.e. the cathars, seem to take disregard for the material world to far

da3494 No.8270

>>8246
hurrr durrrr

christ itself is just another fucking deity renamed.

Don't delude yourself.

f9a9e3 No.8273

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Oh boy

You are poking at something important here but you arent quite there yet, and im too tired and out of it to do this coherently so we will have to go with the skinny:

The new testament isnt a religious book first and foremost, its a thinly veiled handbook for resistance against empire, and ultimately against the concept of earthly power in and of itself.

>And He made a scourge of cords, and drove the money-lenders out of the temple; "You have made my fathers house a den of robbers"


>It is easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven


>Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword


>Jesus said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one…" The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.


(I guess jesus dual wielded..)

>He has sent me to bring good news to the poor, to proclaim liberty to the captives and to set the oppressed free



Jesus, whether he existed or not, was the perfect revolutionary- what is written of him was clearly designed to empower and enable fellow men to rise up against their oppressors without compromising their humanity in the process.

Almost more importantly however, the new testament was a fundamental evolutionary step for human conciousness.

by cementing the monotheism of the jews, it opened the door for reason-

we were no longer the playthings of a myriad of cruel gods (i.e. forces beyond our control)

We were part of something bigger, the universe suddenly became beautifully coherent and it opened the door to seeing "god" as something more than an angry old man in a robe demanding foreskins and the like

the tenets of Jesus F. Christ are a fucking nightmare for all power structures, because they give every human being meaning, we are "created in the image of god"

The powers that be always wanted us to believe the universe is pure chaos, that there is no meaning to anything, all this parallel universe sperg is a prime example.

If that is the case, then they are completely justified in doing whatever they want to us, everything is permitted and nothing can be frowned upon.

Way she fuckin goes, deal with it.

The tenets of Jesus K. Christ offer a vehement and resounding NO to that sentiment, accompanied by an unspoken threat.


It seems to me that christianity opened the door for…"enlightened" atheism, which makes it somewhat amusing when the fedora crowd froths at the mouth over the sheer "backwardness" of it

I guess I can partially answer your question:

Any "true" christian is an anarchist to some extent

4e69f1 No.8275

>>8270
person claiming to be a deity != deity renamed from another one

4e69f1 No.8276

>>8273
How do people claiming to speak for Jesus (popes and kings and such) fit into christianity being anti-establishment?

820691 No.8279

>>8270
Whilst there is truth in what you say thats a pretty simplistic view. Anyway christ himself is irrelevant, its the message which is important.
>>8276
They don't, they are a secular creation

c6e5d1 No.8300

>>8244

orthodox christianity (by which i mean the eastern greek/russian/etc kind) is actually autocephalous

>>8273

good show old boy

>>8276
>How do people claiming to speak for Jesus (popes and kings and such) fit into christianity being anti-establishment?
>claiming to speak for Jesus
>claiming

this >>8279



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