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Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 07:19:27 7c43e8 No.8176

FORCED COLLECTIVISM

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 07:34:10 d8b91e No.8177

THE STATE

WHAT ARE WE CAPSLOCKING ABOUT?

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 07:35:29 5b1f45 No.8178

FORCED LABOR

SEE I CAN DO THAT TOO

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 07:37:35 d8b91e No.8179

VOLUNTARY LABOUR FOR FAIR COMPENSATION

SERIOUSLY WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? IS THE GUY IN THE PICTURE RELEVANT TO THIS SOMEHOW? I DON'T FEEL I CAN PROPERLY CONTRIBUTE TO THIS THREAD BUT I WANT TO.

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 07:38:54 5b1f45 No.8180

THERE IS NEVER FAIR COMPENSATION FOR LABOR

THE ONLY FAIR COMPENSATION IS THE PRODUCT OF YOUR LABOR

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 07:43:54 d8b91e No.8181

>>8180
I WOULD SAY THAT, WHAT IS FAIR, IS DECIDED BY THE INVOLVED PARTIES. IF ALL INVOLVED PARTIES ARE IN AGREEMENT OVER SOMETHING, WELL, ISN'T THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VOLUNTEER WORK AND SLAVERY? MUTUAL AGREEMENT?

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 07:51:01 3e9357 No.8182

>>8181
Half the city wants to use money like bitcoin. The other half wants to go and conmunism. An impasse has been reached.

You hold a anarchist conference
Women and men scream "we will nt be silenced by your threats of violence." Impasse reached.

What do?

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 07:52:19 5b1f45 No.8183

>>8181

YOU SEEM TO OVERLOOK THE FACT THAT AN AGREEMENT IS ALWAYS ESTABLISHED WITHIN A BASE FRAMEWORK THAT IS SOCIAL, AND IN FACT EXTERNAL TO EITHER PARTY.

FROM AN STRICTLY SELFISH RATIONAL POINT OF VIEW SUBJECTING THE OTHER PARTY TO UNREMUNERATED SLAVE LABOR WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IN ANY OCCASION. OBVIOUSLY SUCH AN AGREEMENT IS OFTEN IMPOSSIBLE IN CURRENT SOCIETY.

THE FACT THAT THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT ARE ALWAYS BASED AROUND PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IN FACT AN EXTERNAL IMPOSITION NEITHER PARTY NECESSARILY AGREED TO PRIOR.

MUTUAL AGREEMENT IS A MYTH INSOFAR AS THE AGREEMENT IS ALWAYS SITUATED WITHIN PARAMETERS THAT ARE A SOCIAL FUNCTION EXTERNAL TO THE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN THE AGREEMENT.

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 08:04:12 d8b91e No.8184

>>8182
Hell if I know. Nothing?
If you're asking me to make a decision as some sort of authority on the matter, I can't do that, if you're asking me what I would do as just another guy wanting to make a living, I'd do whatever is more convenient for me at the time. They could coexist like two faiths could coexist.

>>8183
I, WELL, HUH. THAT WENT OVER MY HEAD. I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT IT SOUNDS SMART SO MORE POWER TO YA I GUESS.

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 12:26:55 80afd7 No.8186

>>8180

"in a free market labour's natural wage is it's product"
–benjamin tucker

i'm not sure i get what OP is on about though? is this some sort of trollbait for platformists?

you know platformism isn't actually anarchism right?

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 13:35:57 c07bec No.8189

>>8184

>You hold a anarchist conference
Women and men scream "we will nt be silenced by your threats of violence.
>they don't let you speak and do your thing

>coexist

>anarcho-communists are farmers who make food, but don't want to trade money, but rather become communists and the town people want to use decentralized money.

>coexist.

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 14:12:42 d8b91e No.8192

>>8189
Looks like the farmers can handle themselves then, the town people should either become communists so they can work with the farmers or grow their own food and trade it for money with the other town people.

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 15:35:32 ae8c43 No.8193

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>>8186
>implying platformism isn't the only viable form of anarchist organization today
Call me when you have made an entire nation into an anarchist autonomous territory in the middle of a civil war, you unbearable faggot.

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 16:02:08 80afd7 No.8195

>>8193

>thinks makhno was an anarchist
call me when glorious revolution comes comrade

you know what a state is right?

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 16:07:02 ae8c43 No.8196

>>8195
>call me when glorious revolution comes comrade
Wait, you know that individualist anarchists joined the bolsheviks during the civil war, right? Big bad statists, but no shits given as long as they can get some of that power.
Fucking anarcho-bolsheviks.
>you know what a state is right?
Why yes, it's the system of hierarchical oppression of a privileged, ruling minority over the working masses.

you know what a state is right?

Anon SAGE! 03/19/15 (Thu) 19:04:01 1193a1 No.8202

>>8193
thank you bat'ko makhno

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 19:22:12 80afd7 No.8204

>>8196

>Wait, you know that individualist anarchists joined the bolsheviks during the civil war, right?

yeah and they got shot for it

>Why yes, it's the system of hierarchical oppression of a privileged, ruling minority over the working masses.

exactly. makhnovschina. right there

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 19:39:47 ae8c43 No.8206

>>8204

>yeah and they got shot for it
So did the leftcoms. And Trotskyists. And a good chunk of Stalinists. What are you trying to imply?

>exactly. makhnovschina. right there
Yeah, a federal system of worker councils defended by a voluntary democratic army is SO hierarchical and established by privilege over the masses!

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 19:56:17 80afd7 No.8208

>>8206

>Yeah, a federal system of worker councils defended by a voluntary democratic army

worker councils created and enforced by an army of conscripts. so anarchy brah!

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 20:16:36 ae8c43 No.8209

>>8208

>worker councils created and enforced
Worker's councils were established by the industrial workers and peasants as part of their self-organization. They were aided by the Black Army, with their full consent, as

>an army of conscripts.
The army was voluntary and it democratically elected their commanders, who were recallable at any time.

Anon 03/19/15 (Thu) 21:43:48 673834 No.8210

>>8209

Oh yeah I'm sure it all went down just like makhno claims. Criticisms are obviously never valid

I'm sure nobody got shot or beaten or robbed for resisting all this voluntary organization.

Anyone who resists is a capitalist anyway amirite. There's only one true anarchism and you're either with it or against it.

Isn't that so.

Anon 03/21/15 (Sat) 09:18:11 c07bec No.8225

>>8210
Most people are social conformists, your argument is highly unlikely to be true.