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>>8404
I'm not really asking in order to rebut him or anything. His comment just got me thinking.

I imagine a Marxist reply to this would be something along the lines of: Well, because the transition into communism would be a gradual process over several revolutions organized and lead by the Vanguard, there would be a more unified process of educating the masses.

That seemed to be what he was getting at, at least. Otherwise, there aren't really any huge differences between a Marxist answer to how oncology could exist in a classless society, and something like an anarcho-communist answer to the same question.

>>8405

Anarchists don't have a problem with education.

What we have a problem with is the intelligentsia monopolizing education to manipulate common proles at their whims, or force them into arrangements using their ignorance as an excuse.

What's so hard about oncology?

>>8412
>what's so hard about oncology
this. this exactly

how is oncology anymore difficult or complex than manufacturing a toaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODzO7Lz_pw

nobody has a problem if you say something like. "an anarchist society is perfectly capable of building toasters" you say that an nobody bats an eye.

but then some dumfuck replies "yeah but how would they build X or do Y" which is invariably no more complex than building a toaster.

>>8415
That was supposed to link to OP

The internet is far too centralized, there would be a decentralized alternative in an anarchist society. Theres already a meshnet project(worldwide), but im not aware of its practicality.

>>8425

Mesh nets would be more effective if there was the freedom to use more powerful transmitters and repeaters without getting a fine or having you cell towers knocked down. Furthermore the freedom to operate in more of the radio spectrum like for example UHF band or something like that without once again having your shit confiscated and getting a fine or whatever.

In other words if the internet were completely knocked out over a long period a mesh net would organization's itself in short order.

Over time private persons could either squat on existing fiber networks or string up their own fibernets. But fiber etc. Is entirely compatible with meshnet

>>8406
Again, I'm in agreement with you (although there are some strains in anarchist thought that seem to be somewhat anti-intellectual).

My point is that one could raise the following hypothetical, Marxist objection that anarchism would have issues making the transition from a capitalist society to a well-functioning classless society because instead of there being a gradual transition between the two lead by the Vanguard (which is exactly intelligensia monopolizing education and manipulating the proles, as you said, and forcing their own Marxist agenda on everyone, but for the sake of argument), anarchism would supposedly have a revolution, free everyone, and then that's it. Everyone just has to figure shit out from there - including the proles and normies who have for a long time been under the presumption that anarchism can't possibly work.

Again, not my personal opinion - just putting forth a hypothetical argument for the sake of discussion.

>>8412
>>8416
I'm completely in agreement here that manufacturing even very commonplace items like toasters (or root beer, to take an example from World War Z) actually is a massive process.

I do get the intuition that oncology can't be on the same level as making a toaster, but perhaps I'm wrong.

>>8430
Good post here. I've heard of mesh nets but I didn't know much about them or why they haven't been implemented by decentralized groups of people.

>>8430

>I do get the intuition that oncology can't be on the same level as making a toaster, but perhaps I'm wrong.

the point is that as you say it takes a massive amount of social organization to produce a toaster. but once that level of organization is in place then you're already ready already for oncology. there's nothing about anarchism that say's it has to be DIY. there's plenty of room for specialization.

>I've heard of mesh nets but I didn't know much about them or why they haven't been implemented by decentralized groups of people.

well actually they have been. but mostly in third world regions where there is literally no alternative nor any incentive for any company to spend money on any infrastructure. therefore no competing infrastructure to establish any sort of cost/benefit threshold.

so basically looking at how things seem to work on the ground it appears to be a situation where if people had to they could do it fairly easily but they would only ever actually do it if they had to.