/anarcho/ - Anarchism Board

>>9385

The only way would be to advertise on /leftypol/ otherwise we would have to go to /r/anarchxirsm.

>>9386

What other places on the internet are anarchists known to congregate and what places have the potential for new anarchists or would at least be open to the anarchist school of thought?

>>9387

theres crimethinc, lib com, anarchy101, reddit, lefttypol

>>9390

Reddit would be a nice place to start, since the only other alternative is /r/Anarchism which is completely corrupt and generally shit.

>>9390

All except /leftypol/ are full of SJW's and it would be better to introduce new people to 8chan than to split /leftypol/ any further.

Unfortunately comrades, I don't see any alternative other than just letting ourselves migrate to /leftypol/ like the Marxist migrated from /marx/

There are really no other communities online for leftists that aren't nauseatingly infested with IdPol faggots. I've been here since the board was started and even made a few of the banners, but as much as I wish that there were enough anarchists on the net to make splitting the /leftypol/ community make sense at all, I don't see the purpose this board can serve at the moment. Even if we don't see eye to eye with the lelninists and tankies, I still think /leftypol/ would be a great place if it weren't for the constant shitposting from other boards.

Outreach is something that the leftists of 8chan in general need to consider, though. This place stinks of /pol/ and our numbers are too small to effect much influence even in our petty vietnamese pizza board drama.

Also, there are three Not-Anarchist threads on the front page.

THREE. MOTHERFUCKING. THREADS.

This is absolutely unacceptable. If /pol/ is able to get away with shitposting like this on a board with as little traffic as /anarcho/, the last thing we need to be concerned with is splitting the leftists of 8chan up. We need to be fucking organizing and getting all the Leninists, Stalinists, Trots, and anarchists of all stripes here that we can.

>>9396

>>9398

Myeah no… we tried working with the lelnin babbies in the past and it was shit. /leftypol/ is okay if you want to shitfling with random losers, but for any sort of semi-serious or informative discussion, in its current state, /leftypol/ is worthless.

I mean, hell, even /marx/ is used by tankiddies as AIDF stronghold where they can discuss their shit without having to deal with interruptions.

I am of course assuming that anarchists on this site are actually interested in semi-serious or informative discussion. I am wrong, /anarcho/?

>>9398

>We need to be fucking organizing and getting all the Leninists, Stalinists, Trots, and anarchists of all stripes here that we can.

As i wish this were possible on the internet, it is not. Why? Because we have little group to stand on with them. Most of them wouldn't give a shit if anarchists were literally killed by fascists, much less if we were being shit on image boards.

This board should stand as a bunker, and if would be filled with joy if we could get some new blood at least interested in anarchism and the board, but i just don't see this place coming to life without some kind of effort.

>>9399

> /leftypol/ is okay if you want to shitfling with random losers, but for any sort of semi-serious or informative discussion, in its current state, /leftypol/ is worthless.

As a mod on /leftypol/ i completely agree. Semi serious discussion is quickly stamped out either by bait, shitposting, attacking flags, the use of anykind of "babbie" immediate kills any possibility for discussion and turns into ideological attacks from the various sides. Leftypol is in a sorry state, anarcho even more so. This is the reason i made this thread, we need ideas on how to get real discussion and exposure to the boards, but more importantly the ideas the brought the boards into existence.

>>9399

I think what you're forgetting, though, is that it isn't just /leftypol/ that is having this problem. Take a look around you, even just on this board. Three fucking Not-Anarchism threads on the front page of a board with this little traffic. Do you not realize how poisonous /pol/ is to this website? They will seek out and disrupt serious discussion to drop le redsuppositories everywhere they can, and splitting the leftist community only makes it even harder to gain any influence on this *chan.

I agree that in the past IRL things haven't exactly worked out very nicely between the anarchists and other revolutionary leftists, but for the time being it seems to me like the most pragmatic option to try to work with other leftists and make some sort of unified stand for leftism on 8chan, much like /pol/'s lolbertarians and fascists tolerate each other enough to push /pol/'s influence.

But I do agree that /leftypol/ is in a very sorry state, and unless the community learns to militantly sage and report shitposting and bait thread bullshit, I don't think there can be any hope for it. Trolls and the like are abusing the hell out of 8chan's 'muh free speech platitudes' nonsense to ruin discussion everywhere they can, and if /leftypol/ started to line people up for banning it would only receive even more hatred from the site as a whole and be accused of being an ebil gommunist dictatorship.

>>9400

Suppose then that we can't hope to organize with other leftists and have decrease our numbers even further than they already are, what then? I'd also love to get more people interested in anarchism and coming to /anarcho/, but how are we to accomplish this? If the leftist community of 8chan isn't going to attempt to organize activist efforts IRL - which is admittedly a bit of a lost cause in any event - we should most certainly be trying to make this place into the leftist online community that is so desperately needed and sorely lacking.

As I said above, much as I'd like to be able to keep /leftypol/ as the leftist bunker on 8chan, it truly is in a loathsome state and needs some major purging before it will be anything more than another shitposting board on this *chan. It's quite baffling to me that the people on that board just keep on fucking taking the bait, as though they don't realize that /pol/ actively is trying to ruin discussion on /leftypol/.

>>9401

>It's quite baffling to me that the people on that board just keep on fucking taking the bait, as though they don't realize that /pol/ actively is trying to ruin discussion on /leftypol/.

Heres the thing, there is so much shitposting and bait because if you so much as sage or delete anything that inst fucking child porn everyone gets all fucking pissed off, shit, there are even people who get pissed at me for banning and deleting child porn threads saying "Why are you trying to limit the discussion" after they post a picture naked children. You cant delete, ban, sage or do anything because it "limits free speech".

>>9401

You need to spend less time on /leftypol/. Your post reeks of tankie logic.

>I think what you're forgetting, though, is that it isn't just /leftypol/ that is having this problem. Take a look around you, even just on this board. Three fucking Not-Anarchism threads on the front page of a board with this little traffic.

The thing is that the Not-Anarchism threads is an isolated incident on this board. Shitposting is /leftypol/'s natural state.

>Do you not realize how poisonous /pol/ is to this website?

What you need to realize is that /pol/ doesn't care about niche left boards like us (or like /marx/, for that matter).

If you want to get serious about breaking the /pol/ hegemony, the only real solution is to branch out. Not tankiddie like, a la mass line (trying to draw people to our boards), but by offering relevant discussion on other boards using leftist logic. But of course, that takes effort and knowledge, and those seem like pretty scarce resources on this site.

>I agree that in the past IRL things haven't exactly worked out very nicely between the anarchists and other revolutionary leftists, but for the time being it seems to me like the most pragmatic option to try to work with other leftists and make some sort of unified stand for leftism on 8chan

United fronts are literally shit.

"We will be good this time" is a lie tankies have repeated all through history, every time has been a lie and yet for some reason many of us insist on keeping falling for it. No.

Really, you need only see /leftypol/, they fucking hate us, they hate the fact that anarchists populate the board, they hate the fact that /leftypol/ has been prevented from becoming their brainwash center. They want all of us gone.

If you've worked with tankies IRL, you also know they want us dead and gone. There is no way to go about it. Anarchists should really drop the idea that all leftists are ultimately buddies. It's not true. It hasn't been historically true and it isn't true today.

>much like /pol/'s lolbertarians and fascists tolerate each other enough to push /pol/'s influence.

Yeah, and notice how neolibs are hardly relevant. They are mostly used as workforce in the service of the nazis. And that is pretty much our prospect if you are planning to cooperate with tankies.

>But I do agree that /leftypol/ is in a very sorry state, and unless the community learns to militantly sage and report shitposting and bait thread bullshit, I don't think there can be any hope for it.

If users had the discipline to do that, then there wouldn't be any problem to begin with, here or elsewhere.

We are discussing social environment, and environmentally speaking, /leftypol/ isn't better off than /anarcho/ by any stretch of the imagination, quality-wise.

>Trolls and the like are abusing the hell out of 8chan's 'muh free speech platitudes' nonsense

…well, actually, the 'free speech nonsense' is /leftypol/'s BO policy. But I guess it's nice to know that if anarchists were in charge there would be no free speech…

>if /leftypol/ started to line people up for banning it would only receive even more hatred from the site as a whole and be accused of being an ebil gommunist dictatorship.

The thing here is that you are literally advocating a communist dictatorship.

>>9403

>But I guess it's nice to know that if anarchists were in charge there would be no free speech…

I know at least half of the lefty pol mod team are anarchists. Theirs me and another one i have confirmed as anarchist. I don't ban or delete anything that isn't either child porn or obvious shitposting.

>You need to spend less time on /leftypol/.

Where else are they to go? Here? This place is deader than magnet man when he walk by "Big sharp knives R us"

>>9401

>Suppose then that we can't hope to organize with other leftists and have decrease our numbers even further than they already are, what then?

Again, quality before quantity. If we could get /anarcho/ back to its old rhythm, I would certainly prefer it over /leftypol/.

The idea that more people (shit)posting somehow equals a better board is a fallacy.

>I'd also love to get more people interested in anarchism and coming to /anarcho/, but how are we to accomplish this?

How about we start by offering pleasant discussion? My idea of an anarchist board is one where I learn new things, or enrich my political views with valuable perspectives. Propaganda can be a part of it, but seriously, is your sole drive for a leftist board to recruit people? Why do we want shit recruits that can't hold their own ideologically? Because that is what we will get if we get lot of newfags but the board is still shit (see: /leftypol/)

>we should most certainly be trying to make this place into the leftist online community that is so desperately needed and sorely lacking.

I'm not sure if anon boards can cut the part.

>it truly is in a loathsome state and needs some major purging before it will be anything more than another shitposting board on this *chan

Purges? Wee, that sounds like fun.

>It's quite baffling to me that the people on that board just keep on fucking taking the bait, as though they don't realize that /pol/ actively is trying to ruin discussion on /leftypol/.

Don't delude yourself. There are many fucktards on the other side, but on ours too. Not everything bad that happens to us is a CIA fascist conspiracy.

>>9404

>I know at least half of the lefty pol mod team are anarchists. Theirs me and another one i have confirmed as anarchist. I don't ban or delete anything that isn't either child porn or obvious shitposting.

Not relevant because boards on this site are really a one-man dictatorship. BO is in charge, you guys are just his lackeys. You yourself have admitted that purges would be in order if you were in charge.

>Where else are they to go? Here? This place is deader than magnet man when he walk by "Big sharp knives R us"

Dead boards are a social issue. Have you tried starting any interesting threads that could spark discussion? Because deserting boards on behalf of inactivity is capital logic. Which, needless to say, ends up fucking everyone but the little group that manages to take control of the situation.

>>9406

>You yourself have admitted that purges would be in order if you were in charge.

Purges? No. But many a time if looked at a post that pissed me off and just thought "I should ban you for shit and giggles". This worries me. Because i as an anarchist try very very very fucking hard not to use my mod powers unless its absolutely necessary, and i know if i have the possibility to abuse this system that someone else is defiantly going to abuse it. As they say, power corrupts.

>Have you tried starting any interesting threads that could spark discussion?

I have tried. To what extent ive been successful varies. Music seems to be the most effective way to get more people talking, from my own experience on boards at least. Well… actually that's not the truth, the truth is that in music threads its hard to derail things and people generally do go full ape shit at something because its fucking music and things are usually more chill.

>Because deserting boards on behalf of inactivity is capital logic.

Im here, making a thread to try and make the board more active. I never deserted anarcho, ive been here since the beginning and slowly watched it die.

>>9408

>I would like to believe that it's possible to effect any influence over the discourse on this board through reason, but you've got to understand that when you're dealing with people like /pol/tards, reason goes out the fucking window.

Maybe you need to pull over and re-think what your objective is here. Are you trying to win over /pol/tards? That's gonna be nigh impossible, lad. What you can do to shift the dominant discourse is challenge said discourse (which again, requires effort and knowledge).

Do you lurk other boards? I do. The only reason /pol/ maymays are accepted by default is that all boards have a non-insignificant population of /pol/ regulars. They are there to maintain the dominant discourse. They are the Ministry of Truth, if you will.

So what should be our strategy? Lurk moar. Lurk the popular boards that meagerly interest you (/v/, /a/, /co/, /sp/, /tech/, /k/, /b/) and provide a fruitful perspective from your leftist stance whenever it is appropriate. Challenge /pol/lacks who rear their ugly skinheads. Have some leftist memes of your own up your sleeve.

It is possible that /pol/ is filled with nolife manchildren who can overwhelm you every time. This is fine. You build up your forces, and try again with a different tactic, or a different angle.

At the very core of it, what your rant really boils down to is that you are complaining because you don't have the force to combat oppressive hegemony. You certainly should hate it, but if you are advocating dictatorship to keep order in an image board, what is gonna be your plan when you are actually out there?

Truth is, beating back the fascists is going to take effort and sacrifice. There is really not much way around that, which is why we are such a long way away from socialism. And when they are down, a lot of opportunists are going to try to take over (read: tankies), and we are gonna have to put effort and sacrifice to stop them too.

Which I think may be kind of my position right now: if this board is small but quality, and we can get good militants out of it, who can then help spread the word around the site, then I think that's a far more solid tactic than trying to figure out who we should ban and how we can get people to visit a putrid shithole with a red flag over it.

>>9408

>The majority of /leftypol/ is anarchists, actually.

Many (most) of them don't seem, to me, to be particularly good anarchists (marxists tend to be even worse but that's not the topic at hand). But I'm not even talking about anarchists. I'm talking about the other faggots.

>There are certainly people on there that don't really like anarchists, but as I said it seems to me that this is an "enemy of my enemy" situation, basically.

Here is a fun fact: we are enemies of tankies, and fascists are our enemies, so the same logic could apply to a fascist/tankiddie alliance (which has actually happened historically).

>We all at least want the death of capitalism and fascism, right?

But they want our death too.

>And fascist ideology is an annoyingly influential ideology on 8chan right now.

Lelnin babbies have proven that they would rather have porky win than us. This literally happens. It may very well have costed Spain decades of fascism. Reconsider your position, honest advice.

>And it's not like I'm unaware of the fact that tankies hate anarchists, considering that I pointed that out in the post you're responding to. I know that they betrayed the Revolution at least twice in Spain and Ukraine.

You forgot Korea 30s. And Cuba 50s. And pretty much everywhere everytime.

>>9408

>Please, don't pretend like you think that "muh free speech" means that you have the right to shitpost incessantly and be a fucking nuisance to the community. Just because we value free speech, doesn't mean we have to throw all standards of discourse out the window. This is exactly the kind of narrative that /intl/ is abusing.

Here is the thing, imageboards are a collective, public space, and you have every capacity to ignore what you want to ignore. We have the capacity to sage and ignore bullshit. If the issue is community comfort, then the community can do that. Really, the fact that the children need babysitting is part of the reason our boards are in such sorry state.

>When things are that bad and the shitposters derailing discussion have no interest in listening to reason or logic, what else do we have left but to use violence (the equivalent here being bans)?

It's not even collective, social violence, though. It is literally a bureaucratically mandated execution. Maybe if we had a downvote system, but you know what those tend to do…

Plain and simple: sage and hide. Those are your prole weapons.

>The problem though is that if there isn't a good balance between quality and quantity, you'll end up losing a lot of posters because people on *chans are conditioned to have short attention spans. I should know this, I've tried having a board on here and it is fucking hard to keep people interested if you don't have a lot of activity. It's just an unfortunate fact of posting on vietnamese pizza boards.

Which again, makes me wonder if these kinds of sites are the best place for this sort of community or discussion.

Regardless, you can work shit out. There are ways to get discussion rolling, but a bit of capital logic prevent them from going anywhere.

>Again, we can't have a board if there are only a handful of regular posters, even if they're all writing good posts. You need comrades to get shit done,

The customized "not my comrades" pic seems appropriate for this ocassion.

>and we should be aiming to radicalize people - which obviously involves having good discussion.

I cannot stress how important the "good discussion" bit is. But then again, as I have suggested, we shouldn't be afraid to have these arguments outside of our bunkers.

>Trying to get people to listen to reason and quality discussion here is an uphill battle

The struggle for socialism is an uphill battle. Our enemies will use all the tactics the /pol/tards, tankies and other reactionaries use. In real life. Consider this place your playground.

>>9409

>Maybe you need to pull over and re-think what your objective is here. Are you trying to win over /pol/tards? That's gonna be nigh impossible, lad. What you can do to shift the dominant discourse is challenge said discourse (which again, requires effort and knowledge).

Yeah, alright, that actually seems like a pretty solid strategy. Someone made a post similar to this on /leftypol/, as a matter of fact about the Internet allowing for grassroots counter-intelligence and falseflagging operations. Still, we're only two people here (presumably, based on how all these posts have a similar writing style). Gaining a leftist foothold on 8chan as a whole rather than being confined to a leftist board that gets constantly shelled with shitposting and is full of Marxists, however, as you noted would be a very slow and difficult process. But with that in mind you're probably right that revitalizing this board as a bunker for anarchists to post mostly free of the poisonous influence of shitposting and authoritarian leftists would be important for there to be a decent chance of getting that off the ground.

Obviously then getting more /leftypol/ anarchists posting here would be the best way to go about that, right?

>advocating dictatorship in order to keep an image board

It's not so much that I'm advocating dictatorship willingly, but rather that the problem with posting on the internet vs. IRL is that you don't have any real power over a website unless you're its owner or a moderator. IRL, if the fascists are coming to your anarchist councils and derailing conversation, you throw them the fuck out; if they keep coming back and/or start being violent, you exercise violence after it has been decided on by the council, right? But on the internet, you either need to have the numbers to shitpost all discourse to hell that doesn't conform to a particular ideology, or you do something that you're suggesting and post quality content in favor of your position. And as you've noted, this requires skill and knowledge, which internet discourse inherently resists (this is why comment sections are almost universally filled with utter shit).

Related to this, I had been playing around with the idea of an experimental *chan where everyone is given moderating powers. Obviously there would be a lot of abuse for this that would need to be considered since it's not like exercising real violence (perma bans for instance would probably not be given to people). It may be worth trying this sort of like Demochan, in fact, if not just for shit's and giggles.

>>9410

>all

Maybe I have been spending too much time on /leftypol/ lately, or maybe I'm just fucking tired of leftism already being as divided as it is without further dividing it into Lelninists and Tankies and anarchists, but ultimately you're right here. And we're never going to have enough numbers to be able to beat back the /pol/ influence on 8chan anyways.

>>9411

>saging and ignoring

I do this, and I keep saying that everyone needs to fucking militantly sage and ignore shitposting, but for some reason few people are able to grasp this concept. And that's the problem here, that pretty much fucking everyone keeps bumping shitposts.

>Which again, makes me wonder if these kinds of sites are the best place for this sort of community or discussion

Maybe not anymore, but 4chan used to be basically be anarchist. I think it's more a problem with what has happened to internet culture in the past decade, because the image board format is fine for discussion. It's not like imageboards are universally shit, after all.

But anyhow, your idea of having a small but dedicated group of posters on /anarcho/ militantly posting from a leftist stance and dropping maymays everywhere covertly seems like an interesting and workable idea. After the Detroit Commune's failure on /leftypol/ and the co-op project being completely stillborn, I'm open to trying to get something else happening for leftism on 8chan.

>>9412

>And we're never going to have enough numbers to be able to beat back the /pol/ influence on 8chan anyways.

*meaning that we're never going to be able to beat /pol/ through sheer numbers, shitposting their threads to death, and banning them all, even if this wouldn't likely lead to the tankies betraying the revolution again.

Okay, seriously, where did the other people/person in this thread go?

I know there are at least a few posts here per week. Are we going to talk about getting this board active again and militantly subverting the right wing influence on this *chan, or are we just going to continue to all deal with the shithole that /leftypol/ has turned into?

>>9429

I'm here. Sorry, I'm a busy person (plus I've been scanning /leftypol/ to determine how salvageable it might be. The answer will come as a surprise to nobody)

>>9429

Oh yeah, I also didn't reply right I away because I basically agree. I've just been pondering what sort of discussion would get mileage here.

Here are some fundamental ideas:

>Book club

Which we already have and is technically working. I would say the community is generally receptive, the problem is that anons are lazy and books are hard. If we can fix that lil issue, it would be a long way. I'm a well read guy myself, so I can probably go with whatever.

>Q&A, general information threads

Again, I posted one a while ago for anons to make generic questions about anarchism. Not so much in a "debate anarchism" (read: shitpost) plan, but more of something to let anons get handle more data when it comes to posting. Lots of disinformation going around everywhere, even in fucking /leftypol/

>Miniboard/Board coordination threads

Basically something along "The /v/ thread" in which we can discuss whatever overlap anarchism has with vidya, as well as coordinate our reach out efforts with /v/ itself.

>Militant appreciation/discussion

Self-explanatory, e.g. a Bakunin thread.

>Theory threads

Self-explanatory. Subject is a bit complex, generally speaking people tend to mistake theory for ideology, or doctrine, or science, so usually people tend to argue a lot about inane shit (then again, maybe the steam will get people posting)

>debate threads

One option is a "debate anarchism" thread for outsiders. I generally hate them because people tend to ask all-encompasing questions (how do anarchys wurks?) but they get pissed off if you direct them to an actual pamphlet or book that would address their issues. So you basically have the same conversation over and over, and generally assume their opinions to be facts. So you know.

The other option is to make internal debates between schools of anarchism or specific questions. The problem is that anarchists are people too and can also be pissy faggots. So there's that.

>news discussion?

IDK.

>>9429

>militantly subverting the right wing influence on this *chan

I still think we need to branch out to different sites. Ive tried this before, and found the best way to reach people on the internet about a certain political idea is through some sort of humor. Thats originally why i started >>670.

You bring them in with keks and a few of them are bound to stay.

>>9434

>kek

Opinion discarded, id filtered. Go back to /b/, kid.

>>9437

>no fun allowed

>>>/marx/

>>9437

Ive been here since the site existed and can guarantee ive have done more for this fucking board then your little piss-ant ass.

Fucking blow me, cocksucker.

>>9430

>>9431

Same, I'm currently mulling over your posts and how we ought to proceed. Also have you seen that some people on /leftypol/ are making a leftist *chan?

>Book club

As someone who is a philosophy and literature major, I can recognize both the importance and the immense difficulty of getting a vibrant reading club going on. Aside from the quality discussion and sense of community this builds, it gives everyone an opportunity to expand their knowledge of theory and can also help to motivate people to read if they're part of a group. Getting it off the ground is the hard part, but I do something like this at my university with people in addition to what I read in my classes, and it's very useful.

>Q&A, general information threads

We do have the Anarchist FAQ, thankfully; that document is massively helpful for introducing noobies to anarchism. But having a thread for people to ask questions and get responses in addition to linking this and having some brief summaries of important points is good to have. Unfortunately, a lot of people tend to ignore these kinds of threads (see /leftypol/ and /tech/)

>Miniboard/Board coordination threads

Definitely a good idea. I try to use this to get people interested in my board, and I think it's a useful tactic since it disguises the ulterior motives.

>Militant appreciation/discussion

Sounds kind of like history/theory overlapping through anarchism applied historically, right?

>Theory threads

Well, you've got to have people who know their shit, and this would be very related to the book club and Q&A threads, but there should really be more general theory threads to fill up the rest of the board and to explore specific topics in depth.

>Debate threads

If we could keep "lol dis is why anarchee wont work :^)" type posts into one thread, shit would be cash. These are definitely the biggest nuisances on political boards and would require the most active push towards creating a community that knows to sage and ignore threads. Lainchan understands this, and that's why they're such a quality *chan.

>news

Questionable. I think news threads are just an excuse for people to get ideological for the most part, but knowing what's going on in the world is important.

>>9434

Branching out to different sites and spreading anarchism across the net should be an ultimate aim, but we also have to be realistic and start small before trying to conquer the net, y'know?

We need a dedicated group of militants before we can even effect any significant insurrection on one fairly obscure mongolian barbeque board, firstly. Just having us two isn't going to be enough, especially since we both obviously have other shit going on and can't spend all our time spreading anarchist propaganda on 8chan.

We need a just loosely affiliated libertarian socialist / anarchist imageboard that heavily caters to crativity and co-operation (DIY culture, free software, etc.). It is our fault for not only setting camp in a neofascist stronghold (8chan), but also dragging reactionary relics like Marxist-Leninist along at our primary site of discussion. No shit we can't have a productive discussion, that should be obvious to anyone.

Now the thing is - do we just keep on suffering through this or do we solve the problem.

The vichan source-code (which both lainchan and 8chan uses, it's source code is free and open) is just sitting there, waiting for the comrade(s) willing to initiate the first step. I think it would be surprising just what an improvement it would be over the current state of things, you know.

It could be called freechan.

>>9438

>>>/gulag/

>>9445

>>>/triggered/

>>9445

>>>/whinnylittlebitch/

>>9443

What about http://www.bunkerchan.org/ ?

We already have a bunker, and now we can use 8chan for what we should all along have been using it for: A place from which to materialize our ideologies and spread leftism through the net while also subverting and dismantling right-wing influence.

Granted, it will take some time before Bunkerchan has enough users and is in a more complete state to start having specific boards for anarchism and Marxism.

>>9496

Please make a case for bunkerchan being in any way shape or form even slightly better than /leftypol/.

Also bunkerchan is admind by a tankie, so your case better be good.

Absolute best case scenario: bunkerchan is /leftypol/ 2.0, now with an admin who cannot be trusted. Need I remind you that /marx/ doxed Jason UnrHUE, just for posting there?

Likely scenario: thinly veiled tankie dictatorship.

Fuck, I'm just gonna say it, anokchan 2.0 would probably be an improvement of two orders of magnitude over this bunkershit.

>>9498

>that pic

>tfw #4 master race

>>9498

Holy fucking shit calm the fuck down faggot. I've never even mentioned anything about this thread and /anarcho/.

>>9505

They were maoist

Can we try to get back to the purpose of the thread?

/anarcho/ is still pretty dead and we still have no solutions of trying to get people interested in anarchist ideas, activities, or anything else.

I know we can come together and try to figure out some way or some kind of ways to bring people in.

>>9520

I think anarchism has the potential of appealing too NEETs a lot given a lot of the opposition to wage slavery and anti work positions espoused by Post Left Anarchists such as Bob Black.

This is what I think:

For now - establish your presence of libertarian thought on bunkerchan. By being there early on and helping to develop it's culture we don't let our victory with /leftypol/ (red/black as a it's fuckin' flag, Alunya as it's fuckin' mascot!) go undone.

That should be our focus as of now.

If everything, /leftypol/, 8chan, bunkerchan goes south, crashes/burns/dies weeell then I guess we'll have to create that freechan, don't we?

I understand the mistrust towards Marxists given the history that anarchism has had with cooperating with authoritarians and later regretting it, but the fact of the matter is that we pretty much have no choice but to make the best out of what has been given to us.

If we try to eschew power by being separatists from /leftypol/ and bunkerchan - this being despite the fact that at least a third of the usership is anarchists, if not half - we're going to be left with an /anarcho/ with very little activity or a *chan with even less activity.

I'm not saying that we need to work with the Marxists, but ignoring /leftypol/ and bunkerchan completely rather than recruiting from those places and subverting the Marxist presence there is just foolish and won't get us anywhere. Frankly I think that any fears about bunkerchan turning into some kind of Stalinist dictatorship where the majority of the usership would get banned on sight is unfounded and ridiculous. If anything, we have more potential power in /leftypol/ than the Marxists. According to polls, anarchists make up the largest demographic on /leftypol/, plus our symbols are already a part of the culture >>9522 not to mention the fact that libertarianism (in the original sense of the word) and anarchic ideologies have been a longstanding, if downplayed in recent years, aspect of *chan culture.

If we want to get a dedicated group of militant anarchist memers on 8chan subverting the influence of /pol/ and authoritarians in general, /leftypol/ the the best place to work on that.

>>9531

Well, you are not wrong in general terms, but I for one don't find shitposting on /leftypol/ to be a productive use of my time. I've thrown it down with tankies, lelnin babbies and /pol/ faggots over and over.

I'm mostly tired of spending so much time just repeating myself. If I really made it a point to challenge every idiotic bullshit that gets posted on that board, I would waste my life on that fruitless effort.

I'll probably be around if anybody needs help with something concrete, but I don't really have time to grind through the shit anymore.

>>9532

I'm with you there. I spend far too much of my time debating faggots there, mostly out of compulsion because I know it's a waste of time.

As far as I'm concerned, the shitposting on /leftypol/ is definitely a huge problem that makes any relationship we'd have to it problematic. This is why I brought up Bunkerchan in the first place; it allows for further distancing between the /leftypol/ userbase and the assholes they spend their time debating. Because as useless as it is to debate them, one needs to be ready to defend the leftist position and not make us look exactly like /pol/ - dismissing any dissent with buzzwords and memes. But the problem is balance; no one knows when to stop.

Once/if Bunkerchan sees a full release and gets more users, there will be more potential for organizing other anarchists there and more potentially useful posters we can recruit.