86efa7 No.166
So, ancap is great. How do we get to the point where it is the dominant economic paradigm, at least in some part of the world?
Personally, I think that the nation-states as they exist now will have to fall before we can really move forward. From there, more organic groups can share control of the means of production.
7b44a4 No.167
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete”
—Buckminster Fuller.
Agorism is the most likely method. I want to "sell" liberty to people like a commodity; use the art of marketing to offer them goods and services in a way that shows them that liberty is better and cheaper than tyranny.
830137 No.169
Option 1 is achieving minarchism, then working from there. Any sufficiently minarchistic state will be helpless to stop anyone from setting up a competitor.
Option 2 is agorism/gray market. The informal sector is the last vestige of laissez-faire in the Western world. The more revenue we deny the state, the better.
Both options can and should be used in tandem.
2a653c No.173
>>169 got it right
Though, I see minarchism as a stepping stone to agorism. Ron Paul tried for years to push a minarchist agenda through congress and all he really did was convert a bunch of liberty-leaning republicans into disillusioned non-voters after he retired. I don't know any former Ron Paul supporters who want to even pretend Rand is a minarchist.
43d5a9 No.175
Build a motherfucking island in the middle of the ocean. Formalize contracts with corporations.
4d30a7 No.180
I'm interested in running prediction markets on the effects of state intervention, and after twenty or so years of "I fucking told you so, pay up" on the part of ancaps, the state quietly fucks off.
e99d5d No.199
>>169>>173Maybe agorism. I think that ultimately, security companies will be kept in check by capital flight. For immobile capital like land the security corp will have to post a bond that's a certain % of that capital's value to be confiscated in the event that the security corp goes aggressive. Capital hiding is effectively capital flight wrt taxation. OTOH, since agorism happens in a statist society, you can't make the state put up a bond and promise not to tax you, so it'll always get tax revenue from immobile, unhideable capital like land and factories.
That's why I don't think that agorism will work on its own. Culture of liberty is the way to go.
0db7db No.201
>>199The point of agorism is to convert so much of the market to un-taxable trade that state revenues dwindle, causing increasing budget problems. As the gov't services increase in price and decrease in quality, it will become increasingly easy for market competitors to simply ignore the state's dwindling monopoly enforcement, and to then offer monopolized services in blatant defiance.
It's taking hold in North Korea. I'm really looking to them to see how this plays out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyWsJ6NFMpE 8b634b No.278
I think it would take either buying up some land (full ownership, not under a nation-state) - and being prepared to defend it militarily - or creating land in international waters, as with the seasteading idea.
Succession in some small part of the US might work (25% of Americans are in favor of state succession at this time), but could simply get crushed to the delight of the (mostly) left wing/statist media, which would then use it as a propaganda tool to further promote big government against the "scary anarchists".
Nation states are unlikely to fall into anything good anytime soon as there are so many people "educated" by the state, and also so many on the state for medical, retirement, etc. funding in much of the world