/ancap/ - Anarcho-Capitalism

>BO never here

While I have been away on some affairs, it is no one's business when I have logged in nor when I have made slight adjustments. On one hand, such notifications would benefit the community with notifications of my activity. On the other hand, this would ensure that my actions are cataloged and logged by any anonymous person. As we currently exist in times where surveillance reigns supreme, opening up ways to document my behavior online is not a particular concept I am fond of. I therefore must reject this proposition for open notifications.

Upon this subject: all bans are, and forever shall be, visible to the public. As previously mentioned in >>>/ancap/381, my moderation is both extremely unbiased and minimalist.

>Let's look at anarcho:

/anarcho/ is far from a unified or growing community. Over the time I have been here, I have witnessed its decline into something less communitarian and something much more sectarian. In /anarcho/, communication furthers based upon the form you posit, not the argumentation you possess nor the logical process towards acquiring such principles. Instead, such conversation is channeled and forced, constrained within arbitrary rules /anarcho/ embraced. If you do not go along with the group-think on "acceptable" forms of anarchism, then you are quickly ostracized and your postings deleted until properly contained.

/ancap/ possess no such destructive tendencies. From the very onset of acquiring this board, /ancap/ has been open to any and everyone. No dissent is erased, no opposing opinions are controlled. For freedom to exist, we must all be free.

>Really I see only to paths open to us. To begin to make the changes to become what we have always intended, or for the idea to be disappear.

-libertarian ideas minimally abound within 8chan, therefore let us shut down this rare nexus if the changes we want do not occur.

Which changes are you exactly wanting? So far, it sounds as if : new css, moderators [for a niche board], more banners, different phraseology in the board announcement.

/ancap/ isn't going to be deleted or controlled or erased in any way. If you want to find a new board, or make a new place for anarchist ideas to flourish, I say, go for it. Do what inspires you.

In the meantime, /ancap/ will continue to exist, remaining open to everyone.

pic somewhat related, have a drink on me. We're all in this together.

>We should be able to oust people we don't like until we're all satisfied

Let's conveniently forget how easy it is to proxyfag a public opinion. A dedicated autistic with a vpn is unceasing.

>/anarcho/ for instance was tolerable (until a new board owner arrived)

>All moderation actions should be public and it should be possible to have a moderator contested and ultimately ousted if necessary.

Excellent logic there. While we are placing aside history [as "proxyfagging" (opinionated pretenses intending to stimulate) public opinion exists on an international scale], let's also forget what happened to /anarcho/. We absolutely must place aside any memory of a systemic replacement of moderators, as it has resulted in the current domination underneath certain anarchists and a so-called council of /anarcho/.

>It ought be a board tolerable to all anarchists and libertarians, as well as minimal state supporters

To my knowledge, /ancap/ is not exclusionary nor has it been so in the past.

>css is unappealing; let's go to futaba- it's nice!

That's just like, your opinion, man. Futaba is terrible, too plain, unoriginal and lacks any direction towards ancap colors. If you have ideas on which direction it should go, a suggestion is more constructive than a simple reversal.

>None of the current stickies do anything for the board

Either you haven't looked at a single link or you're just firing off whatever comes to your head.

Massive online anarchist libraries, ample collections of libertarian writings, documented histories of notable and lesser known anarchists, encyclopedic resources, media for anarchist news, and multiple sites heavy with theorization, and an additional array of links towards actual activity does nothing for the board?

In no way do these resources assist anons interested in anarchism whatsoever?

How erroneously dramatic.

>As has doubtless become apparent to the handful of people who still try and check out this board, it's withered away and is at the verge of not even being checked out anyone

What a load of bullshit.

I doubt you have been here since 2012. This board has always moved slow. Only 6 pages and the board has been around since 09/26/14.

Why don't you cry a little harder and make more things up?

>Anyone who looks at the /anarcho/ board can see that, while some parts are distasteful, their board is conducive towards a growing and enjoyable community. Ours is nothing like that.

Then you're an emotional faggot. /anarcho/ is very shitty, like almost to a degree of retardation. You can't speak out of line there, even among other anarchists for fucks sake.

8chan is a fringe site for fringe people and /ancap/ gets little publicity. The 8chan ancap community has always been small and sporadic. Always.

>capitalist discussion and now delegates such conversation to a single thread. Such a measure may be too drastic but it represents flexibility as more users populate the board.

>may be too drastic but it represents flexibility

>may be drastic

>may

>represents flexibility

Only absolute faggots think that controlling the way people talk is "maybe" a good thing and/or "represents" a positive. You think it "might" be a bit drastic? Top lel.

What flexibility?

"Oh, you can't talk about that here, move to thread #Capitalist Stuff." Wow, such flexibility. Much incentive for growing.

>These are some of my thoughts and of course you can criticize them or present your own.

Your thoughts are actually kinda shitty. Not just kinda. Like absolutely.

>While I have been away on some affairs, it is no one's business when I have logged in nor when I have made slight adjustments.

Of course. However zero interaction is a concern for the board. Until my post correspondence has usually been radio silence besides just brushing people off on your part regarding inquiries into board moderation and maintenance.

>musings on /anarcho/

/anarcho/ is a generally warm and inviting place only for those who have planted themselves firmly in the in-group. Yes that's true and also beside the point. Frequent discussion and growth is fostered to a greater extend despite general disunity in many regards. Something things ought be taken for granted, such that /anarcho/ carries a lot of baggage is is far from not being dysfunctional. There is at least greater engagement than here and incidence of conversation.

>-libertarian ideas minimally abound within 8chan, therefore let us shut down this rare nexus if the changes we want do not occur.

I meant more along the lines of: board gets so dead people don't even check on it anymore. Not that it should ever be deleted or intentionally left behind.

>Which changes are you exactly wanting? So far, it sounds as if : new css, moderators [for a niche board], more banners, different phraseology in the board announcement.

I'd like reconsideration of the stickies, SFW board, active staff, encouragement and facilitation of growth, and changes which arise from the community and not a sole ego.

But really I think you miss the point of the post and perceive it as a slight against yourself. It's more of an expression of a desire to see the board succeed. Asking the community if it's willing to do what it takes to make the board a little less slow and what changes they'd make to it. There are some concrete changes which can facilitate that and I pondered them in an open fashion, thinking out loud really, in hopes other community members would contribute their ideas (and also to gauge how many are actually interested in advancing the board).

I don't have a writ of grievances. I do posit some potential problems but I don't care to make the board in my image.

You perceive an attack on how you have run the board but that is not what I intended to convey. BO is not the sole audience.

>/ancap/ isn't going to be deleted or controlled or erased in any way.

Never said it was being deleted or done away with or that either ought to happen.

>>We should be able to oust people we don't like until we're all satisfied

I was just formulating an idea for more anarchic board management.

Perhaps you missed, and well I mistyped.

>The [important] goal is maintaining order and rule while not having rulers.

Which is the actual ideal being sought. The preceding sentence is merely one potential means of achieving this, while others were still capable of being presented. But instead you chose to ridicule an idea rather than make a better contribution.

>Let's conveniently forget how easy it is to proxyfag a public opinion. A dedicated autistic with a vpn is unceasing.

Yes this is a good point, though VPN is useful for privacy.

>To my knowledge, /ancap/ is not exclusionary nor has it been so in the past.

You know I may say something as an affirmation of what the board should be; not necessarily as a criticism of how it's currently being run.

>That's just like, your opinion, man. Futaba is terrible, too plain, unoriginal and lacks any direction towards ancap colors. If you have ideas on which direction it should go, a suggestion is more constructive than a simple reversal.

Well you're wrong but okay. I can pose the same problems for the current stylesheet all but for the last. And fyi it's problem to me is the light on black. Very eye-raping. I've seen many posts here disputing the css but evidently that does not matter for you.

>In no way do these resources assist anons interested in anarchism whatsoever?

Some of them are alright others not, not too concerned. The mailing list archives and plaintext university web log sites are not the most presentable of formats. It doesn't really need to be a sticky thread and if the content is valuable I'd expect that there would be discussion on it and it would continue to rise to the top on its own but alas.

>>526

>I must mention that any lack of posting from myself doesn't indicate that I am completely absent from the board. I don't always mark myself. It is a duty of mine to ensure the functionality and fluidity of /ancap/. During times which I am away, I periodically take measures to log in and touch up any seen flaws and/or sporadically comment.

Does lead me to wonder why certain shitposts remain up and the length of time between questions to you and answers as well as board changes. Perhaps though this will finally changed.

>Contrary to what is suggested, I have not neglected /ancap/ whatsoever.

Pfft. Yeah, take your word for it? No, I know my better judgement on this.

>As to why these claims of my absence are made, it seems little more than pouting from not being immediately addressed

Pouting? Rlly? So you decline to even respond to people and you take it for granted people just want to whine over it? And then further claim to be an active steward of the board?

>it is amusing that said pouting arises because someone (an anarchist at that, no less)

It would seem to be more than an anarchist but rather the leader of the board.

Imagine sitting around communal bonfire in anarchotopia. Clan leader is never around but no less claims to be always leading the clan. Reflecting on his absence he says "pfft, you're saying that about an anarchist, no less," as though that sufficed for anything. And I guess libertarianism = libertinism too.

>act like you've been active leader and then shrug of leadership roles

Kek.

>>537

>radio silence.

This is simply not true. To my knowledge, there are only three BO notifications which I have not specifically answered: 1) change the css now, 2) I want your email, 3) bo doesn't look like he's here therefore I will post the sex.

I have deliberately placed aside two "requests", given their nature (who possibly thinks that "change the fucking thing back" should somehow warrant a timely response?) and, what I had thought, was an obvious penchant towards privacy.

>only for those who have planted themselves firmly in the in-group

>far from being dysfunctional

Any "anarchist" coalition which professes to follow freedom and yet purports involvement based primarily upon the purism of ideology is just another cultist organic. Its very existence is dysfunctional towards the progression and theme of universal freedom. It is a paradoxical circle-jerk: "freedom exists only the way we say it exists, therefore you must be pure and whole and true to be involved…".

Being somewhat familiar with religion, I understand such a perspective as verbiage similar to cultist phraseology. It doesn't matter how lively your conversation is- /anarcho/ is controlled, forced, artificial and fabricated upon being accepted by the ruling "council". Sounds like cult behavior to me.

/ancap/ will never, has never, and shall never possess any such narcissistic self-destructive impulses.

>board gets so dead people don't even check on it anymore

You… do know that this board's postings, since its inception, have been continually sparse? Linear postings are very infrequent and weekly conversations tend to occur. This suggests that you weren't part of the original exodus nor that you have as much as an involvement within /ancap/ as you claim.

"The board is dying!" sounds really dramatic when you pause and simply look at the facts: the movement of /ancap/'s progression, since the migration from /anarcho/, has been consistently spotty.

>attack on yourself

I don't, actually.

>reconsideration of the stickies, SFW board, active staff, encouragement and facilitation of growth, and changes which arise from the community and not a sole ego.

1. Sticky reconsideration

If you have ideas on how the stickies should be presented, I will gladly hear it. Everyone is welcomed to contribute to the stickies. For example, the methods section isn't mine but actually another contributing anon. I have only altered the bottom of said contribution, as to add my own.

2. SFW

I understand the desire for a sfw board but I must reject it. With such a small populace, /ancap/ requires no such monitoring.

3. active staff

Even while I'm absent (I consider an absence of four days or more), I sporadically check in upon the board. There's not a consistent enough stream of individuals to suggest a staff member. Were /ancap/ to suddenly experience a massive influx of members, staff are a very low priority.

For one, I don't trust easily. For two, I immensely value each and every anon's privacy. The more staff, the more information which would be seeped. It is nobody's business who posts or who doesn't. Therefore, unless ancap were to get the size of /pol/, which I doubt, moderators are and will be unnecessary.

4. Encourage and facilitate growth

An excellent idea, get on atop of it at once.

5. changes which arise from the community and not a sole ego.

As bo, I have an obligation to ensure that /ancap/ functions and fluidly flows. Drastic changes might be taken by myself to protect the board from spammers but, for the most part, radical changes do not occur unless a channel is opened, such as the -operate- thread.

>more anarchic board management

/ancap/ is not going to head down the exact same road that /anarcho/ traveled. If you have been here around as you claim, then you would know that this exact proposition was what lead towards the downfall and conversion of /anarcho/ into an extremely sectarian organic.

Moderator switching caused the extremely autistic BO of /anarcho/ to segregate and amass together puritans, who thereafter attempted to purge all naysayers and finally restrained them to a singular thread, cultivating any and ALL related conversation towards said location. It is the very epitome of backwardness and solved nothing, sustaining only a group-think cult.

Periodically switching out moderators works with a timer system and back-ups. 8chan is not compatible with these precautions. As evidence, /anarcho/. A so-called council is little more than a heaven for autistics and vpns and, with 8chan's restrictions, moderator switching is, in my eyes, an impossibility.

>it's problem to me is the light on black.

There we go, exact specifics.

>>537

>Some of them are alright others not, not too concerned. The mailing list archives and plaintext university web log sites are not the most presentable of formats. It doesn't really need to be a sticky thread and if the content is valuable…

The information possessed within those links are very invaluable and helpful. They have assisted me during research and will assist others who are interested in greatly beneficial sources. Simply because you do not find encyclopedic resources, both biased and unbiased anarchist media sites, locations heavy with anarchist theorization, and an excellent collection of methods to be unsuitable and not too valuable doesn't render its actual potential and value naught. All of the links vary on the anarchist spectrum, from extreme individualism to extreme collectivism, and are helpful and informative.

Having an open channel where all anons can contribute what they feel are valuable locations of information is incredibly important and therefore will remain a sticky.

>>538

>shitposts

If I were to call you a faggot, I simply would do so. There are quite the number of shitposts in /ancap/'s history, made by varying people.

>Take your word? pft

*shrug*

>So you decline to even respond to people and you take it for granted people just want to whine over it?

Given their content matter, "change the fucking thing back" and "I swear I'm the last BO" are not really appealing calling cards. I admit, perhaps responses could've been timelier. On that note, one is extremely hard-pressed in trying to convince me of the importance of answering someone who simply demands a reversal via "fucking css back".

As for matters concerning emails, it is not my fault that the last BO was unable to scour through the -operate- thread and find the many hints and suggestions that show I highly value privacy.

>I guess that libertarianism = libertinism.

Marquis de Sade is an extremely important person for radical individualists. He called for a social order that didn't impress upon its citizens unnecessary and burdensome regulations, and continually railed against the state, tradition, church and dominating social ideas. Alongside Sade, radical individualism finds a great proponent of holistic liberation.

>>551

>>552

>refer to the latest issues rather than history

The history of me being the BO also demonstrates that those three notifications are the only things which I have deliberately ignored.

>reign

Don't be a faggot. I'm just a caretaker of /ancap/, not the king. It's cute that you are attempting to paint a (faulty) picture of myself as some sort of overlord. Continue projecting.

>much more active in the present

Not really but if such a thought makes you feel jolly, by all means, repeat whatever you like.

>I find it laughable

Your feeble attempts at constructing a faulty and erroneous egoism about myself are certainly amusing.

>exodus

When /anarcho/ began being ban-happy and went on a post-deleting frenzy, there was a noticable amount of disgruntled anarchists which left, myself included. Sure, the ancoms and ancaps were having continual pissing contests, but that the autistic BO of /anarcho/ began going on a frenzy of controlling the way people discussed things really pushed others away.

>nothing to suggest

That you think I must write only one way makes me chuckle.

>as though that were an objective uncontentable fact

That's because it is an objective and undeniable fact of /ancap/. This board has always moved slow.

>the board is dead!!!!!!

You're a broken record.

>There was no migration

Sure, there wasn't a massive migration, or else there'd be more than six pages, yes?

>>14

"/ancap/ only really exists because some large part of /anarcho/ doesn't want our asses around, and that's about it."

When the conflict in /anarcho/ got pretty bad, /ancap/ was created as a reserve anarchist board for ancaps to gather together and discuss their ideas without being obscured by shitflinging and playing chess with pigeons. Of course, the board never had a large amount of steam- as always, /ancap/ has been sparse.

>you don't want to any alterations or listen to board posters

"Listen to board posters": you mean, you? You're the only person has said anything about the stickies. You said you found them "a bore". How amusing. What resources would you recommend? If -YOU- have some good ideas, why not place them in the sticky where your sources and solid ideas can be always seen and easily accessible?

>blue board

There is very little reason, outside of your own personal realm of comfort, to convert /ancap/ into sfw. The board will remain open to any and all postings. It is not difficult to simply click "hide thread".

>only become active for this thread

That's complete nonsense but feel free to hold onto any illusions that give you a sensation of security.

>we need another mod

Nope.

>privacy… can't see full ip

No shit, sherlock.

>do not know who is posting

What? Moderators CAN see the poster's comment history and create analyzations of commentary. See: any fucking /pol/ drama about moderators.

As such, there is absolutely zero reason to open up that avenue to any one whatsoever.

>implying this is nothing to do with the moderation of a board

>The board is dead because of you!!!

You should look into acting classes. You're so dramatic.

>don't care see the board run by its users

-yourself = all of its users

You're not a special snowflake.

Requests for name fields and css alterations have been made and attended. I think it is highly important that an anarchist board resembles its beliefs, and therefore it is my aim to maintain the board's aesthetic with a capitalist theme.

>follows from changing moderators how?

Scheduled moderator switching is a useless and completely unnecessary function on a board this size.

>red purges, delegation threads, councils…

In this thread alone, you have railed for the deletion of disliked topics, irritable posts and forced channeling of conversation. I have you as my source for this chain of thought- if we listened to you completely, we'd become nothing more than an anarcho 2.0.

>>553

>what a bore…

This tells me all that I need to know about your researching capabilities. That you find anarchist encyclopedic resources, anarchist theorization, a solid amount of methods concerning anarchist activity, and unbiased anarchist news sites as "boring" tells me how much of an interest in anarchism that you really have. My incentive to listen to you any further has become fully minimized.

>stand on their own

Yep. All anons are wholly welcomed to contribute to >>386.

>often just being mail list archives.

It's easily discernible that you have glanced at maybe one or two sites. Please point towards the sites that are "often just mail list archives".

>is intended to annoy… why should it stay up?

Fuck your arbitrary measures of "value". People should be free to express themselves. I'm not some faggot that erases stuff which irks me simply because it's insulting or something devoid of intellectual content. Deal with it.

/ancap/ is an anarchist board and is open to any and all anons. Outside of obvious spam, no dissent, disagreement or shitposting will ever be deleted.

>as of recent

As of always. A casual glance at /ancap/'s posting histories and dates provide factual, objective sources for a spotty and sporadic /ancap/ populace and related postings. When linearity has been present, it is minor and sparingly throughout a few threads.

>feedback on -operate-

Yes, and alterations were promptly made. Name fields? Check. Chat box? Check. Black everywhere? Check. I want my futaba? Not checked but I have taken the "light on black" into consideration and applied it throughout /ancap/.

Also, I really don't care if you want futaba. It is unbecoming of an anarchist object to not represent itself in any way. Futaba's bland and unimaginative emptiness is completely uncommunicative of an anarchist perspective.

>don't find myself hard-pressed

It's clear that you and I think very differently on things.

>denying every single suggestion and just pushing your own shitty decisions

-Let's ignore changes done in response to the requests of others

-obviously, by not doing all of my changes, you deny every single suggestion given to you!

You're so theatrical that it's not even funny. Do you often exaggerate things?

>dismissal of BO obligations by pointing to being an anarchist

Strawman. Also, a farcical tale.

The correct wording was "it is amusing that said pouting arises because someone (an anarchist at that, no less) doesn't respond to "change the fucking thing back."

It should be self-explanatory what that exactly means, but leave it to someone who complains that not being listened to is equatable to not listening to anyone to completely misread what is directly in their face.

Being an anarchist is besides the point. "Change it now, this is awful" with no alternative suggestions, hints, ideas or even points, holds little incentive to me and, I would think, just about anyone else.