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 No.71845

Who was cleaning her poo the whole time?

 No.71848

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 No.71895

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I'm surprised people still keep up with it. Berserk hasn't been "Berserk" for ages now. Not nearly as much rape or extreme gore, Gutts has a JRPG crew, many of the characters aren't as entertaining anymore and Gutts essentially has a harem. Like that crazy sadist who tried to torture Guts calmed down into a boring motherly character who took cared of retarded Casca who was honestly retarded for far too long. The loli might as well get a magical girl spin off like Illya Prisma as she's obviously the writer's favorite character now. Gutts doesn't (as far as I've read) doesn't have much of a reason to keep going after Griffith besides revenge and even then Gutts looks like he just wants to settle down with Casca.

I don't feel any regrets dropping the series.


 No.71898

>>71895

/thread


 No.71900

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>>71895

Everyone tired of Berserk's incompetence should just read Claymore.


 No.71936

>>71895

you're the same retard who hates snk because the story isn't resolved in 1 chapter and because more than 2 people have titan powers, hm?


 No.71937

>>71895

I'm glad that the Japanese do not listen to westerners opinions.


 No.71948

File: 139a8ef7920343c⋯.jpg (619.14 KB, 1299x1425, 433:475, Aquired reading.jpg)

>>71936

How did you even come to that conclusion? Because I think Berserk is much more dumbed down in extreme violence than it used to be? I don't even hate SnK but I don't bother to keep up with it either. If I had any gripes, I would say the Titan transformation should have been introduced much later in the series.

>>71937

Me too, but the series will most likely never get better or even match the Conviction Arc. If he were to drop the series here I wouldn't even have flinch.


 No.71951

>>71900

Claymore is trash, though.


 No.71960

>>71951

Berserk is trash. Claymore is taking everything good about it and doing it better.


 No.71982

>>71960

claymore is a trash berserk. so by your logic trash trash.


 No.71988

>>71982

You're wrong but I accept your bad opinion.


 No.71992

>>71900

>>71960

Claymore is Berserk for retarded edgelords to fap over stronk womyns. It's high time you start feeling ashamed for your youth mistakes, my man.

This will never be literature, but you still have to set apart what's done with purpose, and what's done to sell.


 No.72004

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>>71960

>>71951

>>71992

Shitposting aside. What is so good/bad about Claymore? I have yet to read or watch it. And for those who think it's shit, is there a good alternative to both Claymore and Berserk?


 No.72005

>>72004

Claymore has an actual ending, doesn't spend 20 chapters just to establish the main character's backstory, and there's no JRPG cast. Just Witcher like warrior women fighting dangerous giant monsters.


 No.72011

>>72004

there's an anime-original ending that made everyone mad so if you're going in then read the mango first


 No.72016

File: fcd3051457d4eef⋯.png (206.53 KB, 790x514, 395:257, naked schierke.png)

Miura is no longer the edgy young man he was when Berserk started, he just wants to draw cute girls And to tell you the truth, I can't blame him


 No.72019

>>72016

Is that real?


 No.72030

File: 083762338848c68⋯.png (43.93 KB, 240x244, 60:61, 1329579649833.png)

>>72019

Yup. I believe it was a little bit after they got on the boat. Or maybe it was before the big battle against all those walking gators.


 No.72040

>>72030

Not generally into pedo shit but I feel the irresistible urge to spank dat.


 No.72054

File: 457d8c12d356549⋯.gif (494.44 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, RySKsM1.gif)

>>72019

Yes, chapter 252.


 No.72065

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>>72040

Keep making exceptions like that and you're going to become the thing you "hate".


 No.72066

File: 16fb733b7172606⋯.jpg (1.42 MB, 1328x1965, 1328:1965, fagguts.jpg)


 No.72071

>>71895

>Witch loli hasn't gotten a magical girl anime

That's how you know Miura's been dead and replaced for years.


 No.72074

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>>72016

The IdolM@ster tainted him.


 No.72113

>>72074

At least he's not into gay shota like Togashi is


 No.72130

>>71900

I still don't understand how the Dust Eater style was supposed to be so effective outside of catching someone off guard with sheer wtfness once. Once it became common knowledge it shouldn't have worked very well I would think. Unless I badly misunderstood the principle behind it.


 No.72143

>>72130

I guess it's because it's such an unorthodox style that the Claymores aren't used to fighting against that it catches them off guard. Most Yoma don't employ tactics that keep them low to the ground.


 No.73382

File: 242a108b65bcdb6⋯.jpg (322.96 KB, 800x1167, 800:1167, apostles.jpg)

Is Miura ever going to stop making these evil fuckers out like they're the good guys? When is he going to stop shoving them down our throats?

Is he just trying to setup some sort of moral dilemma trying to persuade the reader that their mountains of victims were worth whatever Femto is trying to create?


 No.73384

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>71895

Just to drive the point home, here's how incompetence, and poor management can ruin a otherwise wonderful arc.


 No.73459

>>72004

>What is so good/bad about Claymore?

Q: Why did people watch Claymore?

A: Because it was edgy shit with gore and tits.

Q: Why do people compare Claymore to Berserk?

A: Because the main character has a bigass sword. No worldbuilding of any kind, no good art, it's just a shit shonen.

Q: Is there an awesome twist in Claymore that makes it worth it in the end?

A: It's the usual crap you've already seen a million times, and worse of all it's telegraphed ahead for years.

Q: Why do people remember Claymore if it's shit?

A: It was dead and buried, but american weebs worship anything with tits and hate success stories like Berserk.


 No.73460

>>71895

>Gutts has a JRPG crew

>Gutts essentially has a harem

You see these comparisons because you played too many JRPGs and watched too many harem romcoms. Everyone told you to drop the bad shit, because it would bite you back in the ass and prevent you from enjoying the good stuff.

But you didn't listen. You had to touch the poop because it's in your rights and everyone was doing it. 10 years of bad anime give you a degree of bad taste that can't be cured anymore.


 No.73462

>>73460

I disagree with the harem part but Gutts definitely has a JRPG party. There's not even a denying that, the characters at this point are all JRPG archetypes. You have

>Witch

>Thief

>Dex Fighter

I wouldn't be surprised if Farnese turned into a healer at some point with her new magic abilities, she'll have an affinity for it or something so she'll turn into your Priestess character. I'm still somewhat enjoying Berserk despite it all but you're just being delusional if you can't see that


 No.73476

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>>71848

I unironically want Miura to make the next chapter a one shot alternative universe with the same story except Guts and Griffith are rival idol producers.


 No.73477

>>73476

>producers

Make them both genderbent rival idols in the same group


 No.73489

>>73460

>Warrior + Mage + Thief combo

<"Tis not a RPG party"

>Casca, Farnese and Schierke (+ God Hand Slan) literally want his dick

<"Tis not a harem"

You dumb nigger.


 No.73517

>>73382

>gee, why is this series that was always morally ambiguous being morally ambiguous

Gee, I don't know, anon.


 No.73530

File: a66db164deebc4b⋯.png (506.16 KB, 540x625, 108:125, Kizuna Ai - Bread (00).png)

>>73517

>Berserk

>morally ambiguous

>always


 No.73582

>>71992

>stronk womyns

That's a stretch of definitions. They are gutted of their reproductive orgasms and infested with "alien" meat instead, so are they still women?


 No.73585

>>73582

*organs

Shit, is that called a freudian slip?


 No.73595

>>73585

No, it's called being sex obsessed.

You fap too much. Try to tone it down.


 No.73655

>>72016

>Miura is no longer the edgy young man he was when Berserk started, he just wants to draw cute girls

Reminds me of Asano and DeadDeadDemons


 No.73709

>>72016

Then he should've just left Berserk hanging there, instead of being a fucking jew.


 No.73719

>>73382

I thought the entire point was that Griffith fucked the entire world up so he could control his own kingdom where people viewed him as their savior.


 No.73724

>>73719

So Griffith basically wanted to be a Mary Sue overpowered isekai protagonist?

If so, then he just one-upped Obito, since that faggot just wanted to live in a VR world.


 No.73735

>>71895

Take the animepill kid. The animated 90s Berserk is a complete story that stands well on its own and ends on a high note, just like with Watamote, you don't need anything else.


 No.73743

>>72113

Who is gay? Kurapika isn't in bed with Leorio since he doesn't get any screen time at all.


 No.73933

>>73735

>ends on a high note

It's ends on the biggest cliffhanger of all time.


 No.73997

>>73933

I don't really see how you can interpret the end of the animated Berserk as a cliffhanger. What's left hanging?


 No.74014

File: cc572de900ead03⋯.jpg (27.38 KB, 410x550, 41:55, hiatus_man.jpg)

>>71895

>Gutts doesn't (as far as I've read) doesn't have much of a reason to keep going after Griffith besides revenge and even then Gutts looks like he just wants to settle down with Casca.

This. Well, after Casca gets healed of the mental damage Femto did, it's implied that she can't still see Guts without being reminded of the Eclipse, which could set up Guts' revenge. But even if it does, the story would be either at its midpoint or last third. Translated from Miura-time, then Berserk would end around the mid 2030 or early 2040. If Miura doesn't simply say "fuck it" and just cancels it.

Besides, how would Guts would even do anything to Femto? Not even Skullknight with the behelit sword can harm him. Fuck, they control causality.


 No.74037

>>73997

Vengeance? Resolution? Not Berserk has yet had any sort of resolution.


 No.74038

>>73382

Griffith is a malignant narcissist who committed multiple instances of mass murder in order to live out his fantasies of being a "chosen hero" type person. He is extremely mentally ill and will do anything, no matter how fucked up, to get what he wants and live out his delusions of grandeur. If you think he's being portrayed as anything other than a charming devil, you are a complete and total idiot and should refrain from speaking to actual humans out of shame (people who sympathize with Griffith won't because they are apparently subhumans without shame). Furthermore, Griffith sold out his tight shota boypussy to old ass men for money. He is a supreme and absolute faggot. He is a sexually confused twink without even a hint of a moral compass. He is the very definition of a hellbound reprobate. He is fit only for public impalement.


 No.74052

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>>74014

If Femto gave up his God Hand status to become Griffith, then I think that's the only way Gutts could beat him. But that wouldn't even be a fight as pre-Berserker armor Gutts could already beat Griffith. He did write him to be too powerful to be killed by natural means. And I doubt loli magic will do shit to him. The only way I could see him standing a chance is if somehow Gutts became a God Hand after Femto kills one of them for whatever reason. However, there is no one Gutts would sacrifice so they would have to rewrite how he would become a God Hand without sacrificing a bunch of people. That's assuming that's the only way to become a God Hand.

I don't know how this is going to end. Griffith has no reason to stop what he's doing and it should be impossible to talk him down from doing so. One thing I am surprised that the Berserker armor hasn't taken full control of Gutts. Imagine if Scirke had to bind her soul to his mind to keep him from staying in his full Berserk mode.


 No.74079

>>74052

There's only two scenarios possible. Either Guts uses the Behelt to sacrifice his new party to kill Griffith, or Guts gives up on revenge and allows Griffith to rule the material world so long as he gets to live a quite life with Casca.


 No.74088

>>74038

Griffith did nothing wrong


 No.74103

>>74079

>Guts uses the Behelt to sacrifice his new party to kill Griffith

I'd welcome that


 No.74104

>>74079

Femto is gonna kill guts and casca will kill femto. It’s an established manga trope already, see: char, amuro, sayla.


 No.74109

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>>74103

Gutts actually cares about his crew so I don't think he would ever do that unless Femto rapes his loli.


 No.74157

Will Casca actually start fighting again now that her mind is back? She's a better fighter than most of the crew.


 No.74194

>>74157

She'd probably be quite strong with a setup like Serpico. Air elemental stuff would be perfect for her. Since she was a rapier-wielding finesse fighter, similar to Serpico. But I could see them go with water elemental stuff for her, instead. Since that element has been dedicated to anyone yet. Monkey boy uses a fire dagger.

But like others have mentioned. I just want the damn thing to hurry up and end. I've been reading it for damn near 20 years now.


 No.74197

>>74194

>But like others have mentioned. I just want the damn thing to hurry up and end

Might as well wish for the lottery, it's more probable. Not that I disagree, but still.


 No.74199

Pretty sure the only way Guts will Kill Griffith is when he meets up with Rickert and changes his sword for a machine gun.


 No.74202

>>74199

If the barrier could stop a cannon ball, why wouldn't it stop a machine gun? This is assuming the cannon ball could even hurt the guy.


 No.74207

>>74079

>Guts uses the Behelt to sacrifice his new party to kill Griffith

This is a good choice for an ending, highlighting the contrast of the decision with griffith throwing away his party out of jealousness for guts (in the old sense of jealousness) versus guts throwing away his party to stop the spread of evil; it seems like guts has gotten past the desire for revenge with the passage of time.

I also doubt the party would be unwilling sacrifices; nu-guts would proffer the plan to them beforehand and they would agree.

>he gets to live a quite life with Casca.

doesn't make sense in-universe: shit is fucked up everywhere guts goes and everywhere he hears of, there is nowhere to settle down that isn't fucked up and not to mention they still have the brands to attract more fucked up shit.


 No.74212

>>74202

But is that the same Griffith anymore? Does Griffith back to life even have powers anymore?


 No.74255

>>74104

Caska is not going to kill her son, whose body Femto inhabits.


 No.74332

>>74255

How does their son keep managing to reappear after he was sacrificed to revive Griffith anyway?


 No.74335

>>74332

I'm guessing because Griffith broke down the boundaries of the dimensional planes, so the displaced soul can pop up freely now and again without actually having a body.


 No.74502

>>74109

Guts may care about them.

I don't.


 No.76263

File: 4adcc739913d623⋯.jpg (107.34 KB, 654x421, 654:421, Guts_smirk.jpg)

>>74014

>Besides, how would Guts would even do anything to Femto? Not even Skullknight with the behelit sword can harm him. Fuck, they control causality.

The godhand get their power from humans wanting a reason for bad things happening (the idea of evil). Not sure if its living humans or dead souls in the vortex.

As Griffith succeeds in establishing utopia their power may wane, setting up some kind of bullshit conundrum where Guts needs to choose between his revenge and making the world shit again.

I once read a theory that Guts will actually be killed by Griffith and end up in the vortex, but he goes full beast of darkness and kills all the other sacrificed souls, weakening the godhand that way.


 No.76370

>>73489

>Warrior + Mage + Thief is vidyagems DUH

Nope, it's just classic fantasy tropes. You can date them back to Tolkien or to King Arthur, it's up to you.

Notice the difference. If you're familiar with both vidya and folk tales, you can trace back the origin of each trope. But if you're TOO familiar with jrpgs, then those tropes will feel unwelcome: because you're unconsciously treating them as if part of a videogame.

It's true: too many shit videogames will rot your brains. Because you start thinking in vidya terms of everything you see, with the effect of shredding anything into pieces to make it fit in the shit filled shoes of grindathons.


 No.76371

>>76370

You bring up a good argument and that makes me irrationally angry.


 No.76382

>>76370

somewhat interesting that they don't have a healer, neither is there anyone capable of healing magic in the berserk universe


 No.76396

Band of the Hawk

>a company of veteran mercenaries

>die left and right to rape demons

Guts JRPG party

>a group of kids who are combat virgins

<survive waves after waves of demonic onslaughts

The contrast is just fucking stupid.

Also, the dynamic between Band of the Hawk members was okay-ish.

Unlike Guts' party where everyone worships him.

>>76382

Puck and Evarela are the healers, you dumb twat.


 No.76445

>76396

>Guts JRPG party

>>a group of kids who are combat virgins

Caska, Serpico and Farnese are neither, they only give off a bad vibe because they look like midgets beside Guts. And don't forget that the original party was Puck.

But this is not unprecedented. Superman too had this problem: he's a powerhouse and all his allies seem either weird magical critters, or comic relief. I blame overpowered characters: the party would look more human and balanced, if Guts returned to golden age powerlevels, with new weapons in place of hyper magic.


 No.76449

>>76445

I should've said that they're very inexperienced in combat.

>Caska, Serpico and Farnese are neither

Farnese is a part of the Holy Chains Knight, a knight company of spoiled noble kids who are never meant for combat, and are just for show.

Both Farnese and Serpico had never been in a life-and-death combat situations before they joined Guts' party, which makes Casca the only competent fighter (before she went bonkers).

So, Guts party consists of :

>a mentally crippled woman

>a babysitter (for the mentally crippled woman)

>a man with some basic soldier training

>a fanboy who's completely useless

>a mage who's there to keep Guts' from going Berserk

>two fairies with healing powers

And somehow, this party of mostly useless baggage managed to survive multiple situations where a company of veteran mercenaries couldn't.

It's laughable at how high their plot armor is.


 No.76473

>>76449

The company of veteran mercenaries didn't know anything about the supernatural or have any supernatural objects.


 No.76478

>>71936

>there are actually shounenspastics trying to defend SnK for its blatant uncreative franchise milking

>in fucking imageboards of all places

Literally reddit.


 No.76479

>>76396

>Puck and Evarela are the healers, you dumb twat.

This. How the fuck do you faggots keep overlooking that?


 No.76480

>>76473

>The company of veteran mercenaries didn't know anything about the supernatural or have any supernatural objects.

The same can be said for Guts' party (excluding Guts and Schierke), since they learned about these things just recently.

Band of the Hawk

>a lot of experience in combat

<no experience in dealing with the supernatural

Guts' Party

<no experience in combat

<no experience in dealing with the supernatural

<no experience in handling magical weapons

Your argument is invalid.


 No.76507

Guy can only take one one of the main Beasts Griffith has at a time like the Diamond Dragon or the the old Monster guy that fights Skull Knight (idk why skull knight has not slain him). Doubt Guts can take on the army.


 No.76523

>>76449

>characters are made of stats and magic skills

I'm saying it again, videogames rot your brain. You're literally weighting these characters for their stats effectiveness in combat, when the goal of a story is not to setup a good enough party for the next boss fight.

They go wherever their character's leads them, and that's the story being told. If Guts was made the leader of a company of lepers, you would still hear it with its highs and lows.

You are complaining that this new party's stats are inferior to the band of the hawk, in between all the minutiae it's really just that. And the answer is yes, this is a ragtag bunch of outcasts. A picaresque bunch. There is stories about these mate, even if it doesn't look like a viable build.


 No.76527

>>76523

>characters are made of stats and magic skills

I never said this you fucking strawmanning nigger.

>You're literally weighting these characters for their stats effectiveness in combat

>when the goal of a story is not to setup a good enough party for the next boss fight.

You're the one who's seeing this whole thing through a video game lens, you fucking nigger.

>You are complaining that this new party's stats are inferior to the band of the hawk

Wrong. I'm complaining about the plausibility of the whole situation.

Untrained civilians shouldn't be able to survive situations that seasoned warriors couldn't repeatedly, jackass.

Especially in the world of Berserk, where strength and power reign supreme.

>There is stories about these mate, even if it doesn't look like a viable build.

<You shouldn't complain about how the story doesn't make any sense

You're the one with the rotted brain here, faggot.


 No.76654

Why do people keeping shrugging off the loli's magical abilities as if they're nothing?


 No.76765

>>76527

>I never said this you fucking strawmanning nigger.

I believe you dude, you lack the self awareness to realize it in the first place so it's uncomfortable when people read into you like an open book. Look, you just confirmed what I said:

>Untrained civilians shouldn't be able to survive situations that seasoned warriors couldn't repeatedly

David can kill Goliath even though he's a scrub: superhuman feats, luck and destiny are all part of the story - not just the strengths of the character. It needs to be backed up by good narration, sure, but it's not like you're coming from a high literature background. Your expertise is videogames and some gun manuals.

Your forefathers were yelling at the movies that spaghetti westerns were unrealistic. Don't end up like them.


 No.76769

>>76654

Because just like bad vidya, bad anime too does rot your brain: bad taste is a form of progressive poisoning. Or at least it teaches you bad assumptions, like that all young women in anime are supposed to be little doll airheads (existing for fanservice).

You better believe Miura thinks he's riding the wave with all the lolis in contemporary anime. But he's not so young and stupid enough to actually turn Schierke in one of those little monster things.


 No.76770

>>76769

Summoning. Whatever happened to lolis in anime anyways? There's like no fanservice of lolis anymore.


 No.76787

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>>76654

She can just get them out of any bad situation by just pulling magic out of her ass. There's no concrete ruleset on what she can or can't do so she can just do whatever when it's convenient.

>>76765

>Untrained civilians shouldn't be able to survive situations that seasoned warriors couldn't repeatedly

As someone who's in the military, I can definitely say that it's reasonable that some people may not be good as civilians. The military can teach some stupid impractical stuff because "It just works" and even when pointed out how stupid it is the instructor can't do shit about it because that was his orders. A good instructor will teach you the "right" way to do things and then the practical way.

Also lets look at the Revolutionary War as a good example. A bunch of untrained civilians made and absolute fool out of the British naval forces many times because they were trained to do impractical things. Also because the civilians have all the time to hone their skills while military soldiers will be trained to do many other things that might not even be practical for combat. It's also said that their gear was often too heavy, making them slow easy targets.

>>76769

>Or at least it teaches you bad assumptions, like that all young women in anime are supposed to be little doll airheads (existing for fanservice).

I don't even think that's an assumption. Many girls in anime are designed just to be waifu/figure bait.

>>76770

What was the last anime you watched that had loli fanservice? As far as I can tell, it's usually only done in a few shows here and there. Even then, there was barely any lolicon ecchi focused shows like Lotte and Kodomo. It still happens every blue moon but I think people (or someone) are blowing it out of proportion.


 No.76854

>>76765

>Look, you just confirmed what I said

<That particular instance can be interpreted with vidya, so you must be talking about vidya!

Now you're just being dishonest.

>David can kill Goliath even though he's a scrub

That was just a one-off moment, and Goliath was a retard (and a human being).

You deliberately left out "'repeatedly", and completely discarded the fact that :

- the monsters are akin to violent wild beasts

- there's only two able combatants in the party

- most of them are inexperienced in combat

- most of them are kids

>superhuman feats, luck and destiny are all part of the story

And you seem to forget that the weak and the hapless are constantly trampled over in the story :

- the townspeople near Snake Count's castle

- the cartdriver and his daughter

- Vargas

- the Slug Count's daughter

- etc

But somehow Guts' party gets a free pass.

I say it's plot armor, but you disagree for some odd reason.

>It needs to be backed up by good narration, sure

Good narration is consistent, faggot, which Berserk is not.

>but it's not like you're coming from a high literature background.

>Your expertise is videogames and some gun manuals.

>Your forefathers were yelling at the movies that spaghetti westerns were unrealistic.

<Stealth insults

What are you, a woman?

>>76787

>As someone who's in the military

You must be retarded. I'm talking about the Band of the Hawk.

They're a mercenary group who did everything (including prostituting their leader) to survive. They're not bound to the kingdom's stupid military training.


 No.76870

File: ca1b4f209c40020⋯.jpg (34.14 KB, 585x446, 585:446, ca1b4f209c40020232dbdb9568….jpg)

>>76854

>I'm talking about the Band of the Hawk.

And I wasn't. I was specifically talking about that quote disregarding your context. If I was talking about what you were saying, I would have replied to you like I'm doing now.


 No.80168

File: 99722bf35f26302⋯.jpg (236.75 KB, 1200x850, 24:17, dago.jpg)

Let's speak some truth, for a change. Berserk was born with two souls: the historical Berserk which becomes the golden age arc, and the fantasy Berserk which starts off as inserts and takes over after the eclipse. It is a very common recommendation among old fans from the 90s, to stop reading the manga at the eclipse because that's where it spins into japanese bullshit. But let's dig a bit deeper.

When it first came out, Berserk was such divided but not equally split. The historical side took the lion's share and resembled many European and South American adventure comics (i.e. Dago). Comparatively, the fantasy side was a lesser addendum, edgy and exploitative, grafted on top: Berserk sold an historical comic, adding a separate cup of edgy juice for the retards who would have mistaken it for something educational and boring.

What happened later, is that the pandering took over. Because people often complain about Miura pandering to waifuists, but they're not old enough to realize that he used to do the same with their edgy fathers. Don't mistake this for me making a case that stories shouldn't cover different subplots and timelines, or possessing totally different souls within: those are legitimate author choices. But you have to be aware of crass commercialism, as time fades memories and second hand nostalgia gives you an incomplete frame of reference.


 No.80173

>>80168

>muh "two souls"

>muh subjectiveness and nostalgia

<when you can put them side by side and see the difference objectively

Get a load of this faggot.


 No.80174

Black Swordsman and Golden Age arcs are the only two worth much.

I wish that instead of where it went after Golden Age, it would've been Guts killing more apostles by himself and more of a gorefest until he reaches and finally kill Griffith.

I want to see the current story fall apart and go back to a good old, blood-soaked edgefest.


 No.80176

>>80174

What you suggested is generic as hell, but still far better than the pile of crap we have now.


 No.80374

File: 31798f18745efbb⋯.jpg (43.61 KB, 700x700, 1:1, 20180619_6cd275.jpg)

Any theories on who the Skull Knight really is? I've been seeing everything from him being Guts from the future which is all sorts of retarded and him being Gaiseric which is not only plausible but also repeatedly foreshadowed. The fact that he seems to be interested in Luca and Rickert is also weird. He is by far the most interesting character in Berserk.


 No.80407

File: 14948fdefe7a5cb⋯.jpg (24.8 KB, 540x406, 270:203, Void's original body.jpg)

>>80374

>him being Gaiseric which is not only plausible but also repeatedly foreshadowed

That's what's most likely. He probably interacted with both Void (the sorcerer who made the tower of sacrifice) and Nosferatu Zodd (probably an old battle rival) back when they were humans.


 No.80451

>>80374

it's me


 No.80470

>>80407

Do you think Void became a God Hand member by sacrificing him? I remember there being some autists who argued that it is at the same time consistent and inconsistent with the timeline since that would mean Skull Knight is at least 1,024 years old.


 No.80474

File: 5511ff75d2a9b26⋯.png (786.91 KB, 1365x768, 455:256, kill (you).png)

>>80451

OMAE!

t/n: keikaku means plan


 No.80506

>>80174

>my peanut-sized brain can't handle anything but mindless violence

Typical fatmerican.


 No.80538

>>80506

>no u: the post

Guess not all of us share your shitty taste, fag.


 No.80567

>>80470

>Do you think Void became a God Hand member by sacrificing him?

Probably not. I get the feeling that Gaiseric sacrificed himself in order to combat the Godhand. If it ever gets shown, it will be a way to characterize what happens when you sacrifice yourself. After all, Gaiseric was a warrior king, his most prized possesion would be his own being.

This is probably what Miura had in mind for Guts originally, with him using a behelith in order to sacrifice himself and gain a fighting chance against the Godhand.

>I remember there being some autists who argued that it is at the same time consistent and inconsistent with the timeline since that would mean Skull Knight is at least 1,024 years old.

Why would that be inconsistent with the timeline? The kingdom of Gaiseric is stated to be around 1,000 years old.


 No.80609

>>80567

>spoiler

Interesting take, and there has indeed been a few foreshadowings that Guts will eventually have to make that choice. So basically Guts and Schierke are the SK and Flora of the current timeline, which makes a lot of their interactions make sense. I just find it weird that SK always seems to only be half-trying in combatting the God Hand and is seemingly obsessed with letting "causality" take its course instead.

>Why would that be inconsistent with the timeline? The kingdom of Gaiseric is stated to be around 1,000 years old.

Can't remember the exact theory right now but I think it has to do with the fact that Void is the oldest one out of the current God Hand. All of the other 4 got their eclipses every 216 years after him. This could only mean that during Gaiseric's time there was an entirely different set of Cenobites which begs the question did he kill all of them before his own sacrifice?


 No.80611

>>80567

>>80609

Guts is already branded as Griffith's sacrifice. I don't think he can make any behelit deals until that brand is removed, at least.


 No.80633

File: 6758449c6516281⋯.png (616.41 KB, 1920x873, 640:291, Godhand.png)

>>80609

>I just find it weird that SK always seems to only be half-trying in combatting the God Hand and is seemingly obsessed with letting "causality" take its course instead.

It's not a question of just letting causality take it's course, it's that he probably cannot change it much. The Godhand control causality itself, which probably is something he thought could eventually affect with the Behelith Sword. Think of his actions as him throwing pebbles on a river hoping it eventually changes course, while the Godhand can reshape the river itself.

Besides, while he's apparently aware of what will happen, he probably can't go back and forth through history. He's like Dr. Manhattan in that sense.

>This could only mean that during Gaiseric's time there was an entirely different set of Cenobites which begs the question did he kill all of them before his own sacrifice?

The Godhand are shown to be atemporal, so they exist throughout the entirety of time the "moment" they come into being. Probably the only way to actually kill them is to kill those who originated them, which in Femto's case would be Griffith. From the manga, it appears that once a member of the Godhand comes into being, he starts existing inmediately throughout the entirety of time, which would explain why there's differing accounts of the number of angels coming for the sage's rescue in the tower of rebirth (Femto was about to be born, so that could muddle the memories of the storytellers). Which could explain why Femto is named this way. Femto is a suffix for denoting a quadrillionth of something (10^-15), in reference to him almost existing in legend, which in turn could allude to his possible death at the hands of Guts.


 No.80634

>>80611

That makes sense. After all, since he's a sacrifice, his life isn't his own in the eyes of whatever mechanism governs the souls/od of humanity.

Sage for forgetting that part.


 No.80969

>>71936

>you're the same retard who hates snk because the story isn't resolved in 1 chapter and because more than 2 people have titan powers, hm?

It's hilarious that anyone hates it for this reason. I hate it because anyone at all has titan powers. It was shaping up to be a nice man vs monster with hopeless odds story and then the MC gets a fucking super power and things spiral away from how it had been going until that point. Gay as shit.


 No.80974

>>80969

Your expectations on how a story should be is no reflection on how a story is.


 No.80981

>>74052

It's a time paradox. Once Griffith has his own kingdom, he loses his raison d'etre. He sets his sights higher once more and somehow controls the Idea of Evil and the world, becoming a god rather than an angel. With nothing left to gain, he is empty. He reverses time in order to relive his rise to glory after wiping his memory and setting up causality so that it is inevitiable. This repeats infinitely and is the reason his origin is unexplained. After all, he is not a noble by blood, yet somehow he is extremely skilled and refined in the way of the sword and very well read at a young age. The entire story is him reliving his rise to glory over and over, not necessarily in the exact same way. The conclusion is Guts getting some bullshit powerboost similar to the berserker armor and breaking the chain due to his being outside of causality.

>>80974

That doesn't make it any less disappointing, just like SAO.


 No.80997

File: ff9e9a42877ab5b⋯.jpg (247.73 KB, 516x728, 129:182, __casca_griffith_and_guts_….jpg)

>>80174

1. Miura didn't plan out the story of future Guts. Those short sections are just pandering on top of the real meat, the golden age, and so they follow a simpler monster of the week format.

2. But he was a greedy jew and greatly scaled up things after the eclipse. Before, future Guts was just Simon Belmont on his way to Dracula; afterwards, the whole world was at war and Guts had to manage a growing party. This is doubly infuriating since as we're well aware, Miura was already bored with his work and started hiatus'ing.

3. The hack is making shit up on the go, so don't feel bad that we don't know how berserk's gonna end - even Miura doesn't have a clue. Which MIGHT have been acceptable 20 years ago as Berserk was a growing boy, while now it's just a misshaped gimp looking for a plastic surgeon to turn passable.

4. Yet he revealed his hand, when he had the Idea of Evil chapter expunged from reprints. That was probably going to be a major plot point related to the ending, which now has either been postponed or rewritten.

5. If you're not fully convinced the series is kept artificially diluted for shekels, consider we've already had retcons. When Guts says he was angry and depressed fighting the apostles by himself, leaving Caska behind for a year, that's the most egregious bullshit retcon ever made. It's just that Caska's presence in the future had not been written yet.


 No.80998

>>80969

Attack on Titan was interesting because its monsters felt fresh: giants are underrepresented as fantasy enemies. Obviously the retard had to put fucking Ultraman in to ruin everything. Fucking chink genes.


 No.81014

File: 3a185947691a9e8⋯.png (144.85 KB, 492x646, 246:323, 0% amused.PNG)

>>80997

>Yet he revealed his hand, when he had the Idea of Evil chapter expunged from reprints.

FUCKING WHAT?


 No.81016

>>74212

>But is that the same Griffith anymore? Does Griffith back to life even have powers anymore?

He can freely change to Femto whenever he wants, and has done so.

>>76787

>What was the last anime you watched that had loli fanservice?

Made in Abyss. It also had shota fanservice.

>>80168

The simple problem is it went from low fantasy where fantasy elements were impactful and uncommon to high fantasy where fantasy elements were superfluous and meaningless. The "edginess" was never seperate. The story opens with edginess, and has dark and grim shit spread throughout the Golden age. Guts is born from a corpse, his adoptive mother dies of an illness, his adoptive father blames and abuses him, he's raised on battlefields, he's raped (sold by his father) and kills his rapist, his father tries kill him and Guts ends up killing his father, he's chased out of the mercenary camp, he narrowly fights off a pack of wolfs, he continues aimlessly living as a mercenary. Then he meets the band of the Hawk and shit finally lightens up a little. There's still G


 No.81036

>>81014

It's no longer canon, Griffith never experienced that.


 No.81037

>>81016

You're stretching it with the edginess. The golden age being cruel and brutal isn't the same as fighting the pure grimdark fantasy of Future Guts. If you want traces of those elements in the golden age, look for Zodd, which rightfully feels completely different.


 No.81040

File: df2959a9aa5e679⋯.png (2.28 MB, 1280x1690, 128:169, ENOUGH OF THIS.png)

>>81036

Nice. So now what the Godhand ostensibly serve is no longer canon, which makes them evil… Just 'cause. They don't serve some abstract representation of mankind's evil, they're just asshole gods. They don't even have a fucking right to be called the God Hand, since there is no God.

The whole "do what you will" is no longer an implication of how evil operates in the world, it's just all causality, 'cos causality's causality.

Fuck this. Berserk is the fucking HL3 of manga.


 No.81072

>>81040

Now you know how american comic book readers feel.


 No.81315

Was Griffith gay for Guys?


 No.82047

>>81040

Don't forget how the Lost Children arc was also skipped, in the recent CGI anime. While the chapters are still in the reprints, it seems like a statement that the series is headed another way.


 No.82049

File: 99d517456e85345⋯.jpg (453.59 KB, 1800x2203, 1800:2203, 1437534929957.jpg)


 No.82064

File: a02d82fdd268519⋯.png (342.57 KB, 900x630, 10:7, 59c7e92e7e7e843690c160cba0….png)

>we're approaching half a year of fuckall

I fucking hate Miura.


 No.82070

>>82049

>"BEEEERK"


 No.82071

File: 0b0e6dfbbd83a1c⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 86.81 KB, 749x669, 749:669, vagabondRice.jpg)

>>82064

Sit down and have some food with me. It might be a while.


 No.82082

>>82049

Disgust.


 No.82108

>>82047

Who gives a flying fuck about that clusterfuck of a series. Also the lost children arc is the most tv unfriendly shit in existence so hoping it gets adapted is futile.


 No.82129

File: 9f9e638acd2de87⋯.jpg (127.39 KB, 900x1250, 18:25, 5473467846875656.jpg)

>>82082

If you wouldn't let femguts force herself on you then you are 100% a faggot.


 No.82131

File: adf76a8f151f61a⋯.png (320.59 KB, 1159x874, 61:46, bsmad.png)

>>82129

No character even created on any media surpassed Guts in sheer GAR power, making him a women is so antithetical to the character it is visually cringing to anyone that cares enough. I make >>82082 words my own.


 No.82134

File: a5eaaf5e67b23cc⋯.jpg (117.84 KB, 921x772, 921:772, AHAHAHA_FAGGOT.jpg)

>>82131

<Got ass-raped as a child

<Got literally cucked by Griffith

<Still doesn't know what to feel about the man who raped his waifu

<Constantly makes cringy comments when fighting

<Dense as fuck

>Guts is the most GAR character ever


 No.82136

File: ef944e9ddff9fe6⋯.png (6.75 KB, 166x166, 1:1, 2d6946ba2d28cfc0f22673b59e….png)

>>82134

>personal tragedy diminish GAR

You like gender bender lewds you have no place judging a character manliness, faggot. Even if you were you couldn`t nominate a better character.


 No.82138

File: 3e11fdcec91070c⋯.gif (1021.33 KB, 500x282, 250:141, 0709817249821.gif)

>>82136

>muh personal tragedy

He still spoke highly of Griffith, and doesn't hate him for raping Casca anymore, you dumb fuck.

>You like gender bender lewds

Strawman argument. I'm not the one who posted lady-Guts nor do I advocate for it.

Try again, you dishonest fucking faggot.

>you couldn`t nominate a better character.

Kamina from Gurren Lagann

- good older brother figure

- believes in his bro even when everyone else doesn't

- helps his bro grow into a better man than he was

- literally came back from the dead to save everyone and avenge himself before he dies again


 No.82139

File: c982c64e4830839⋯.png (12.37 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, punpun.png)

>>82047

>CGI

Computer Graphical Interface?


 No.82147

>>82138

>videogamer judges characters in a story

>he scores them according to stats and matches won

Every time. And you're completely unaware you do it, that's the best part.

>>82139

Computer generated imagery. How new R U M8


 No.82153

File: 5f8a9c97fe30c6a⋯.jpg (151.2 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, takagiislooking.jpg)

>>82147

>Oh no, I can't come up with any counter-argument

>I'm just gonna call you a gaymer! Ha! Take that!

It's okay, I didn't expect much from a cuck-lover.


 No.82163

>>82153

The argument is in the greentext: now you're trying to ignore it because 1. you didn't expect to be so easily read, and 2. there's nothing you can say to get out of it.

Shit, I wouldn't like to be in your shoes.


 No.82165

File: 3e7c689b9d31088⋯.gif (749.88 KB, 624x522, 104:87, 1535552341850.gif)

>82163

Oh look, someone's projecting.

You're unable to argue objectively, so you resort to discredit the whole thing via "muh vidya terms lol".

Kinda like how (((they))) respond to any criticisms as "anti-semitic". Topkek. Take your "muh subjectivism" elsewhere, you filthy kike.


 No.82248

>>82165

You really sound desperate, fishing for buzzwords because you can't counter the basic argument. It can't be denied that analyzing narrative like a videogame, is both stupid and a sign of poor culture.

You judged Kamina better, because he got better results - both mission (saved everyone) and relationship wise (good bro). But a 'higher score' like that is not what makes a character better told, as tragedy is a fundamental element of literature.

Learn nigger, I don't like casting pearls to swine.


 No.82427

>>82131

<who is Raoh

<who is Ogami Itto

And that's just 2 characters from only 2 mangos originating from the 70s and the 80s alone. If anything Guts is a millenial emo faggot compared to the likes of HnK characters, he just happened to still look like the typical manime character and doesn't whine as much as the SAO herbivores for example. At least you didn't mention anyone from Jojoverse, which started only being gay ironically as a parody of HnK and ended up being the gayest shit that even normalfags are worshiping.


 No.82519

So… what was the last thing that happened? are we still in short break after they decided to doa POV shift onto Gayfith?


 No.82542

>>82248

>fishing for buzzwords because you can't counter the basic argument.

I did though. I pointed out how you're just '''discrediting my whole thing by calling it "uses video game terms".

Just because you fail to acknowledge the counter-argument doesn't mean it's not there, dumbass.

>It can't be denied that analyzing narrative like a videogame

<Analyzing things objectively is "muh video games"

You could've countered my argument with your "proper" analytical skills, but you didn't.

Want to know why? It's because you can't argue objectively. Prove me wrong.

>muh tragedy

That depends on how the tragedy is implemented within the story, because having tragedy alone doesn't make for a compelling story.

Topkek. Accusing someone else for "video game terms" when you're just ticking off checkboxes. Fucking hypocrite.

>You judged Kamina better, because he got better results

Duh, since we're comparing who's more GAR here, you dumb motherfucking retard.

Stop being a woman, you filthy kike.


 No.82560

>>82542

Just ignore him, it's clear Berserk was the first somewhat mature series he's ever read and thus he was most impressed by Gattsu's initial edginess. Or he's just a f/a/g, which is arguably worse than being underage.


 No.82610

>>82542

>You judged Kamina better, because he got better results

>Duh, since we're comparing who's more GAR here, you dumb motherfucking retard.

Now this is FINALLY your argument. And it is completely cretin, the shit all 12yos write on gamefaqs.

Next time you are challenged, answer like a man instead of bitching like a consolewars-tier kid about personal opinions and objective truths. No one cares about your self worth, mate.

And the answer is obvious: you don't measure a character's GAR factor using a victory\loss ratio, because that's a method for sports and games, not literature. When heroism and personal convictions are analyzed, the method is qualitative instead of quantitative. Now don't answer back, you fucking idiot! Learn what you don't know and shut up. Next time someone reads into you like a book, take a hint.

>>82560

>can't face the message

>crafts fantasy context to delegitimize the messenger

This is actually clinical, Anon. You best be aware of the threshold where argumentation becomes self-delusion, because you're gonna repeat this sick pattern as soon as you have relationship troubles IRL.


 No.82613

>>82610

roastie detected


 No.82614

>>82610

>t-that's not your argument!

>now this! this is your argument!

Fucking topkek.

>And the answer is obvious: you don't measure a character's GAR factor using a victory\loss ratio

I never did measure it using a victory/loss ratio. You just came to the conclusion because you see it as a video games, and you're projecting it out.

>When heroism and personal convictions are analyzed, the method is qualitative instead of quantitative.

One of my points was about how Guts was a cuck because (A) he was literally cucked and (B) he's okay with that.

Apparently that's "quantitative" to you because "muh subjectivism". You can stop being a hypocrite any time now.

And… still no objective counter-arguments.

As I've said before : you can't argue objectively.

I rest my case. :^)


 No.82636

>>82610

<c-crap, I've been found out!

<better accuse him of making shit up, that'll show him!

>how to detect a ro/a/stie trying to shit up /animu/: the post

What arguments? You made none other than repeating your own shitty points as if saying it 9000 times will convince anons that you're right. You do sound too much like a woman that I'm beginning to think maybe Berserk wasn't your first GARshit after all. It must have been one of those bara doujins.


 No.82644

File: a4caea85eddd56b⋯.jpg (301.92 KB, 602x498, 301:249, on hiatus.jpg)

>>82519

Miura the the gigantic faggot is on hiatus.

He published the chapter where Caska is cured of her retardation. He then went into a pointless 2-part chapter where Griffith kills some ogres. Then he went on hiatus, because he's a gigantic faggot.


 No.82680

>>82644

Why the fuck hasn't Berserk even been cancelled? Figma rights or some jew shit like that?


 No.82682

>>82680

Speaking as someone that has two Berserk Figmas, Figmas don't even come close. Berserk has these massive polystone figures that go for over $1000.


 No.82833

>>82680

>>82644

Fuck this Togashi tier urolagniac dude, at least faggots like Araki, Toriyama and Oda have the decency to continue pulling shit out of their ass as an excuse to keep their franchises alive and milkable. Even Inoue is still better despite also being a hiatusfag since at least he already had a previous huge mainstream success which actually ended.


 No.82835

>>82833

>Fuck this Togashi tier urolagniac dude

Even Togashi had completed a long-running mainstream series previously.

And unlike Miura, Togashi at least had enough human decency to avoid inserting long-ass filler bullshit in an already hiatus-infested series.


 No.82948

>>82644

I see, then I am up to date with the story, well, mostly, I didn't care for the Griffith chapter, maybe someone should just kill Miura or something.


 No.89622

File: db886aa3a21ea50⋯.webm (3.49 MB, 640x360, 16:9, berserk.webm)

>>81315

Griffith IS gay for Guts. Still.

The thing that triggered Griffith to flee and go through with the sacrifice is when he heard Guts echo his previous statement that for people to be true friends they must be equals.

Griffith had the chance to squish Guts into a meat ball during the eclipse and didn't.

Griffith stops Zodd from killing Guts at the hill of swords

Griffith has numerous chances to kill Guts throughout the story and doesn't.

He wants his old friend to become his equal, and will ultimately engineer a power-up for Guts.


 No.89625

>>82833

No anon, you shouldn't be mad at Miura for going on hiatus. His unforgivable sin is to continue and expand the series indefinitely, when it was most certainly going to end shortly after the eclipse.


 No.89629

>>89625

Hear hear.

Just end it already.


 No.89697

>>89625

>it was most certainly going to end shortly after the eclipse.

Where did you get this idiotic rubbish from.


 No.89699

>>82129

>>82131

Didn't ShindeL made some fanart where Casca was the one killing demons and Guts was demonically raped?


 No.89709

File: 1d913b48fbfa7ec⋯.jpg (5.72 MB, 2268x3154, 1134:1577, 02.jpg)


 No.89718

>>89709

I find desperate berserk women attractive. While women are weaker than men I love women in fiction willing to go beyond any reasonable damage to defeat their opponents. This is the "strong woman" I like, not a fucking marysue who can't be touched and can punch someone 10 times bigger into the sky.


 No.89720

>>89718

Good to know I guess.


 No.89723

>>89720

Just sharing my shitty oppinion.


 No.89739

>>89697

There is a large divide of lore, between Berserk pre-eclipse and later. You never noticed because you binged it all, as a not-so-bright teen.

The future storyline is episodic monster of the week, wasn't post-apocalyptic and didn't feature Caska (she was retconned in afterwards). Guts was supposed to kill a number of apostles and get to the God Hand, including Griffith.


 No.89740

>>89739

>Caska (she was retconned in afterwards)

And boy howdy fuck was she. It took twenty years to resolve the "Caska is retarded" subplot. Technically still not over. I love Caska but Berserk would have been a shit load better had she not been retarded for no reason.


 No.90156

what loser paid jimbo shekels to post here?


 No.90167

File: 7f330809b9fe5aa⋯.jpg (352.8 KB, 1087x1600, 1087:1600, new berserk.jpg)


 No.90169

>>74088

Heil'd


 No.90991

>>89709

>alternative berserk universe where guts gets the egg of the king

>goes full fag ad rapes griffith in front of casca, making him a slutty mindbroken twink

>rosine is qt elf boy

>casca goes around killing apostles

>mozgus is a deranged nun turned inquisitor

<turns into sexy angel

>moonlight boy is now a loli

>tfw berserk's characters are so well-written you don't even mind gender-swapping them


 No.91007

>>90991

>berserk's characters are so well-written

>berserk

>well-written

Never change, /animu/


 No.91138

>>91007

>implying implications


 No.102517

File: edafa085e25afcf⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 220.2 KB, 712x837, 712:837, i mount the woman.JPG)

I want to mount Farnese,


 No.102526

>>102517

rape horse isn't really packing much heat for a horse.


 No.102544

>>71900

No, they should read Shin Angyo Onshi.


 No.102570

>>102526

That's why he has to settle for human women. All the mares are busy getting plowed by Chad Thunderhorsecock.




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