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 No.43

Nice board, admin!

I know it's generally a sore topic, but let's talk video games. Specifically, why there hasn't been a single good Tolkien video game ever, or at least since War in Middle Earth (circa 1988).

I think part of the problem is that almost all vidya is very action-oriented these days, and while someone who's only seen the movies might think Tolkien is good vidya material for your run-of-the-mill AAA game, anyone who's read the books knows that it's not in the least bit suitable for your average formulas. But neither is it really good for a walking simulator, because Middle-Earth is very big, and dangerous in many places. Magic is far too subtle and rare for the tastes of your average gamer, and Tolkien hated war, so a good game would require a very tricky balance.

Early Tolkien games were much better than what we get now, even if they were far from flawless, and strayed from the books.

All that said, do you guys know of any good Tolkien games or mods? I know the Mount&Blade mod is supposed to be good, although it's certainly going to be action-centric. There was a total conversion mod for Skyrim called MERP that was looking great until Warner Brothers shut it down.

And, of course: What would your ideal Tolkien game be?

 No.44

I liked the RTS games that were made about the war between Arnor and Angmar, and the conflict in Mirkwood and Erebor during the War of the Ring.

Those are about the only experience with Tolkien games.

The best Tolkien game is definitely either some form of RTS or even grand strategy.


 No.63

I've heard that LotR Online is pretty decent as far as lore goes. I haven't played it myself though.


 No.64

>>63

I played it for a while back when it came out, it's pretty good. I guess it got worse after they made it F2P, and the graphics really haven't aged well. But since it's free and the F2P system is fairly reasonable considering TOR exists, I say give it a shot.


 No.77

>>43

You could probably make a pretty good Civ-like game using LotR lore. Maybe set around the time of the height of Westernesse power? Not sure which era would be the best to set the game in.

Alternately, some AoE style game might work, although you'd have to play with the mechanics significantly, especially if you wanted to implement something like dwarven settlements like Moria or Erebor (for example).


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>>44

I think there's loads of potential for RPGs, especially if you keep them action-lite, but there is plenty of potential for grand strategy.

>>63

>>64

Lorewise, it stretches it about as far as the movies do, although it's more a matter of farming barrow-wights, dwarves actively reconquering Moria, The Watcher in the Water being a raid boss, and you being present at all these major events from the books, although in the background of it all. The graphics aged poorly, but it's still pretty enjoyable, or was last I played - they started pushing more p2w. Environments were quite nice. I remember it with special fondness because it was my first true MMO, I picked it up my freshman year in college right after it went f2p, and rolled on the unofficial NA RP server. Had some good times. Played a bard, and would transcribe MIDI files to .abc so I could play songs in-game.

I don't think I ever hit level cap, to be honest. I was generally slow about buying expansions, and I had as much fun exploring and hanging out with my dorf bros as I did actually leveling. I did get to the Rohan content, I've never seen an MMO handle mounted combat so beautifully.

One major plus is that there is an absolute ton of content, although you need to start paying for expansions when you hit level 50, because the free zones aren't enough to level on without some really painfully slow mob grinding. Last I played, not many of the old raids were really run anymore because they were at old level caps and never scaled up, so the loot wasn't worth the effort, but even in the main game world, the amount of content was quite fantastic.

The legendary weapons system was also incredible, you'd get a special weapon sometime around Moria with legacies and runes and whatnot that would improve stats or specific abilities, and your weapon would level with you, although as a rule things like base DPS didn't increase. So once you'd outgrown it entirely, you'd buy or make a new one and deconstruct the old, and you'd get crafting mats for legendary weapons, runes that carried over XP from your previous weapons, and could select a couple of legacies to carry over. So even at endgame, you could be using parts and XP that you've had ever since Moria, 40 levels ago. It was just a great system, and I'd love to see others like it in other MMOs.

Pics related, I think these were all from my dwarven champion I made when I switched to the European RP server after US-EU merged. I'd grown generally disgusted with the quality of RP, and was taking the game a bit more seriously and moving towards endgame.

>>77

There's actually a fantastic mod for Medieval II: Total War that you should look into, it has all of Middle-Earth contained in the map, uses racial composition instead of religion (and cultural buildings instead of religious), has a bunch of factions all with their own units, and is overall really well done.


 No.81

Been thinking about putting together a Dota 2 LotR custom game. I just can't settle on which kinda game I want to make. Here's the few things I've been thinking about.

2 teams, battle of the pelennor fields, each player is a figure from the battle on either side

group survival adventure to get through Moria

Battle for Beleriand, each player has a little base such as Nargothrond or Gondolin and a hero. A few others are on the evil side as well, sauron, morgoth, glaurung etc…


 No.83

>>81

That last one would be baller.

I really wish there were more mods about the First Age. Obviously there can never be any official games because of the copyright issues, but by god some mods would be nice.


 No.84

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>>43

>What would your ideal Tolkien game be?

first person view RPG like skyrim, i mean the interface/view not the garbage that skyrim calls RPG. that game is a good starting point though as it has godly strongpoints that are a must in a tolkien version: atmosphere, free roaming, music, vegetation graphics.


 No.97

>>44

Grand Strategy would be an excellent genre. Something like Victoria II or Europa Universalis but for Tolkien.

>>77

There's actually a Mod for Civ III that is Lord of the Rings based. It's on Civfanatics and it's called Lord of the Mods. It's unfinished, but what's there is really good. They really made the different civilizations feel different. Isengard can build very few cities, but they're very strong. Orcs tend to be worse fighters than elves, etc.

>>43

Well, the tower defense LotR game on ios wasn't that bad, if I remember properly :^). In all seriousness though, I think the best way would either be a grand strategy/4x strategy kind of game, an RTS (obviously plot would have to be left aside here and it would really just be like that Star Wars version of AOE2 they made), or an RPG of some sort similar to Skyrim or the good Ultima games.

I think if you are going to go RPG, the thing to do is to make the hero not so incredibly important to the overarching tale. We can't all be Beren or Turin, after all. I think the best thing to do would make it a sort of sandboxy feel where you can do quests and help out the people of Arda. You can go and fight, or maybe even have an option of playing passively and just farming the land or working your way through bureaucratic ranks in a kingdom.


 No.125

I miss playing The Battle for Middle Earth.

It really was a good game


 No.129

>>64

>>63

>>80

I highly recommend LOTRO.

I've been playing three years and I have not entered Moria yet cause the scenery, the music and the little details are so enchanting that I don't care that much about the gameplay part.

To me, LOTRO is like an interactive adaptation of the book. It's definetly not the best MMO out there, but is a great Tolkien experience.

I still remember the first time I reached the house of Tom Bombadil.

I was a dying noob dwarf, running aimlessly through the Old Forest trying to escape Huorns, bears and giant spiders, when I first stumbled upon Tom's house, finally reaching safety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3dPApPyIGs


 No.132

LOTRO is great. Shadow of Mordor is supposed to be good in the sense of being a good video game, but I've heard they played a little fast and loose with the lore?


 No.134

>>132

They most definitely did.

On the one hand it's nice to see Celebrimbor's tale developed

On the other hand…so much bullshit involving the One Ring.


 No.136

>>129

It really captures the scale of middle earth well. A whole trilogy about walking makes more sense when it takes you half an hour to go from town to town


 No.140

Lego LotR is a pretty fun romp, and has a lot of easter eggs for people who know more about Middle Earth than was in the movies.

>>84

Wasn't someone making an overhaul mod for Skyrim or Oblivion to turn it into Middle Earth before receiving a C&D from Newline Cinema?


 No.143

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Anyone know where to get this? (or whatever the last beta of it was)

http://www.lysator.liu.se/tolkien-games/entry/thetrilogy.html

BTW the ZX Spectrum version of The Hobbit was groundbreaking in its day. There are Civilisation 2 modpacks and scenarios for Tolkien as well.

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2/downloads/modpacks


 No.151

Vanilla BFME2 is a lot of fun, if you can afford a copy.


 No.153

While there aren't any great AAA titles, there are some killer mods out there, for example Fourth Age Total War, a mod for Rome Total War: Barbarian Invasion.

The dev team took many many years to make it and paid great attention to the lore as well as gameplay mechanics. No movie bs. The base game is dated, but very much playable even as vanilla, but the modding community has done a lot of work inproving the graphics over the years.


 No.155

>>153

Just checked it out

How come the elves are still around. You'd figure this far into the FA they'd have long left.


 No.156

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>>129

I love LOTRO from the base game through the Siege of Mirkwood expansion. I kind of lost interest in the expansions after that one.

I played a Human Captain and had a blast just roaming around exploring.

>I still remember the first time I reached the house of Tom Bombadil.

Me too. And I was so excited when I found Goldberry in the forest. The big one for me though was Weathertop. It was like, "OMG I'm actually here".

Moria is actually really cool when you get around to playing it. I loved that area. I expected it to be boring but it was really well done. It has absolutely fantastic music that gives it a sense of tension and forboding.

Some of the storyline quests with flashbacks to the dwarves actually made me tear up a little.


 No.158

Just wanted to give free UID and say nice board.


 No.177

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I think when it comes to video games striving for absolute narrative and setting purity is a pretty ridiculous task. Despite the absolute lore rape in these games, I still find them to be a lot of fun and I enjoy them a lot.

These are my favorite LOTR games.

The Return of The King for GCN.

War in the North PS3

Battle for Middle Earth 2

Shadow of Mordor.

Conquest when the servers were up.

Lego LOTR for when the siblings are over.

The Third Age was a fun turn based RPG that used the setting

LOTRO made nearly flawless use of the setting. The most perfectly realized video game setting to date.

There may never be a perfect LOTR game but there have been a lot of really fun ones. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the games for the game's sake.

The fun for me is being able to explore Middle Earth and experience the characters and scenarios in a manner Tolkien never could have dreamed of. Tolkien would have been amazed by video games, he wasn't a completely joyless stick in the mud.


 No.181

well, there is this rougelike called angband. I havent played it personally but i heard its solid. Hell, its one of the classics of the genre


 No.196

SOMEBODY OUT THERE MUST HAVE THE BETAS OF "THE TRILOGY" IT WAS FREE ONLINE BEFORE IT GOT C&D'D


 No.200

>>129

>I still remember the first time I reached the house of Tom Bombadil.

>I was a dying noob dwarf, running aimlessly through the Old Forest trying to escape Huorns, bears and giant spiders, when I first stumbled upon Tom's house, finally reaching safety.

Are you me? Those fucking wolves, man - harsh on a dorf minstrel who's never played a normal MMO before, and chose the class because playing music seemed like fun. And that maze of trees that you have to make your way through. And then you suddenly turn the corner and there it is, and that theme song starts playing.

However, the mystery, wonder, and grandeur of Moria was what really made it for me - although I remember how royally pissed I was when I made it out to the other side for the first time ever, and looked in Mirrormere and didn't see Durin's Crown.

>>140

Yeah, MERP - possibly derived from the tabletop RPG of the same name. They had a group of 40 volunteers working on it, and it was going to be fantastic. Warner Bros shut it down, which was incredibly fucking stupid, because you can't go after mods for copyright violation - a lot of WH40K stuff wouldn't exist if that was the case, and WB hasn't gone after other high-profile Tolkien mods. And although they could have continued anyway, they also found an engine-level bug that broke things badly on large maps, and their Middle-Earth map would have been about 10 times larger than the vanilla Skyrim map.

They formed a proper studio called Epoch Games, and are now working on an open-world RPG called The Lays of Althas: Sundered Order. There haven't been any updates in a few months, so who knows where it's at.

>>181

It's not really Tolkien, more of a generic roguelike, much like Moria was. In Moria, the only real ties to Tolkien was the name of the dungeon, and the fact that the end boss was a Balrog.


 No.250

I really like rotk for GBA. It was a very good diablo clone with multiple characters/classes and different storylines for each character.


 No.254

No mention of the Third Age mod for Medieval 2 Total War? I like it a lot more than BFME, especially with the Divide and Conquer submod, the battles are a lot better and I have a bit of disdain for BFME ever since I saw Orthanc crumble.


 No.257

>>254

I mentioned it earlier. Never got far, but loved every second of it.


 No.258

>>254

There's a mod for Mount and Blade (got ported to Warband and works just as well)

The Last Days of the Third Age. It's pretty fucking good.

However, the comfy environments that are really just areas to fight in make me long for a good Middle Earth RPG.


 No.267

>>125

Man, I remember playing the fuck out of the second one online. That one was the shit in my opinion it was better than the first and it's a true shame they shut down the servers.

Hotwheels, please.


 No.268

>>258

While we're on the subject, I looked into it and apparently The Last Days of the Third Age hasn't been in development since 2011. There is another LOTR-themed mod for Warband, it's called Blood in the West. Do you have any experience with that? Can you recommend it?


 No.269

>>153

I love FATW. Love how Herumor is the Mouth of Sauron. On that topic, has any part of The New Shadow been made public? Would be interesting to read, even if it's just a few pages.


 No.270

>>268

Last Days is much better, IMO.


 No.271

>>269

As in a game? Or the original concept?

All we know about it is in the book "Peoples of Middle-Earth", chapter of the same name.

http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_New_Shadow


 No.272

>>270

Why is that?




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