/arelith/ - Arelith Illuminati

>>4385

This. If you stop reading or posting here, even to admonish shitposting, problem solved: everyone stops caring. I doubt the malingering posters left here will resume Apophis-quality content or even rational conversation without trying to out-edge and deprecate each other. Better it's forgotten and uninteresting

As it is, under my control I can at least delete leaks and player info despite not wanting to fucking moderate in the first place. I hardly expect going full Teutonic in moderating this board could improve it again.

So, if my understanding is correct being an "Outcast" is essentially saying your character is so despised by every civilized society on the surface that the only people who will take them are the creatures of the Underdark.

So why is it that being an Outcast means next to nothing on Arelith? All it does is change where you can vote. It doesn't put any weight or consequence for the actions that led to the character being so vilified, and the Outcasts themselves rarely seem to play as the sorts who are uncomfortable with the idea of being recognized in a settlement that wouldn't like their kind around.

What is the real point of being an Outcast at all?

>>6880

>What is the real point of being an Outcast at all?

Better XP early and far more profitable early-game. Pretty much. Especially if you join as a group of people.

Case and point, a group of banites made outcasts, so they could power level quickly. When there were banites in power on the surface. Which they ended up joining forces with later, down the line. Making outcasts in this case was entirely just for the ease of leveling and much better income.

>>6881

That doesn't really seem to promote a different form of roleplay from surfacers, if it's only seen as a way to quickly level then head to the surface. If the mechanic is simply a, "start here for better levelling" device currently, what would you guys change about it to make Outcast a bit more weighty of a decision?

>>6882

Make all the surfacer merchants and NPCs, except for a save few, react to the Outcast.

>I know who you are, you ain't purchasing anything here, wretch!

Make NPCs despise them, visibly, audibly, make them know who they are. Make them throw fruit at the player, then players know that they are outcasts.

They are supposed to be so hated that the only way to escape is to shit around in the UD, so widely known that they are literally only living in the UD because its the only place where they don't know who they are.

Or the like. Make it have mechanical limitations, so they are encouraged to RP their outcastness.

Where do people grind nowadays for sheer monetary profit?

Since FoD got nerfed a bunch of time ago, I've been looking for some new place to grind. I used to grind Avernus, but since DMs are sitting like hawks, looking for people to grind there just to fuck them over, that's no longer that viable of an option.

>>6856

Kholingen (pls take me with you)

>>6857

Why Kholingen though? There's not really much there that drops coin. Just an abundance of bosses, and you'd get that from FoD as well.

>>6858

Mobs there just happen to drop a LOT of coin. If you take the time to collect daggers/short swords as well, they each sell for roughly 200+ coin. Between them, jewelry, boss heads, and just regular coin drops (that even the lizards drop) it quickly becomes very lucrative.

>>6858

Mobs there just happen to drop a LOT of coin. If you take the time to collect daggers/short swords as well, they each sell for roughly 200+ coin. Between them, jewelry, boss heads, and just regular coin drops (that even the lizards drop) it quickly becomes very lucrative.

With a couple of exceptions, his builds really aren't that bad.

Some quick and genuine feedback:

FIGHTER 20/WM 7/ASSASSIN 3

Strictly inferior to the bard variant. You're losing a lot of spellcraft and a lot of skill points here. If you really want to do this for the RP, that's okay though, I guess.

Improved disarm is a poor choice for anything but large weapons. Grab some save feats or skill focuses (e.g. skill focus: discipline can be good) instead.

MONK 21/ASSASSIN 3/FIGHTER 6

I feel this one needs either epic dodge (to be a genuine dex tank) or more sneak attack to be viable. It's kind of sitting in the middle of the road, and not really impressing me because of it.

MONK 9/ROGUE 15/FIGHTER 6

You're looking way too squishy here. Trade some of that strength for con. Also grab some spellcraft. Your saves are dreadful.

Also consider trading some of those monks levels for more rogue (or even fighter). Six is plenty for cornersneaking.

CLERIC 21/FIGHTER 6/BARD 3

Don't build enough clerics to comment in depth, but note know there are a few flaws with this one. Extremely dispellable. No esf evo (though maybe not possible to get on a battle cleric without sacrificing too much). You're taking great strength I and not taking epic prowess, which suggests you could probably optimize your starting stats better.

FIGHTER 20/PALADIN 5/ROGUE 5

You don't need the dex. Cat's Grace is virtually undispellable by level 30. You could, however, use more con or even more strength.

FIGHTER 20/WEAPON MASTER 7/BARD 3

Too many save feats, IMO. Grab some great Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Sorry, I'm an idiot. Forget what I said about SF: Discipline for the palemaster build. You can easily squeeze GSF: Abjur in there instead, which will be far more useful to you.

>>6758

True for most of it. All minor changes/skill changes that could be made.

The Fighter 20/WM 7/Assassin 3 build is designed to be a decent Assassin under the new mechanics. Could easily switch out Improved Disarm for save feats, yes. I don't think I would really ever bother getting Skill Focus: Discipline since it's only 3 extra Discipline for an entire feat. Saves would be far more useful.

The Monk 21/Fighter 6/Assassin 3 build I can somewhat agree with, but this is essentially the same build Duriel had (though I believe he was Rogue instead of Assassin) and he did well enough. Gets high AC, decent-ish damage, but relies heavily on the quick movement and Spell Resistance.

The Monk 9/Rogue 15/Fighter 6 comments I almost fully disagree with, except for Spellcraft. Yes, you could easily trade out the skills and cross-class Spellcraft. As for more Rogue instead of Monk, it comes to a personal preference of 10% extra movement speed or 1d6 Sneak Attack damage. I prefer movement speed, hence 9 levels. I'm ignoring the bonus Rogue feat because you would have to use it on Improved Evasion to get Epic Dodge, anyway.

The Cleric 21/Fighter 6/Bard 3 is a bit more survivable in the dispel department than I think it's being given credit for. It's only 2 CL short of a traditional 23/4/3 build, but also allows for the full 4 APR and Epic Weapon Spec. ESF Evo wouldn't do too much good, IMO, because the DCs still wouldn't be high due to focusing STR/CON. If you can come up with a better starting stat split that allows for Epic Prowess please do let me know, but that's the best I could do.

I can see your point with the Fighter 20/Paladin 5/Rogue 5 build. In many ways I agree with you, but I've also played builds where I constantly had to fuck with DEX wands/potions for that extra +2 AC and it wasn't pleasant. Trading a couple of points of CON for the 4-ish points of DEX seemed worth it to me, and also gave that extra little bit of a Reflex boost.

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I don't want to turn this into a debate, but do want to raise a few points for additional consideration here.

SF: Discipline is really underrated as a feat. +3 skill points is effectively +15% chance to resist any KD attempt. It isn't strictly necessary for strength builds, but I highly recommend it for anyone else. (And even for str builds, it's a solid feat.)

For the monk/rogue/fighter build, I'd probably grab 1 rogue level and 2 fighter levels, netting you two extra feats. I guess YMMV whether +1 AB/+1 AC or +10% movement speed is more valuable. I tend to lean the former, but we can agree to disagree.

I find that the Fighter 20/WM 7/Bard 3 build has very solid saves with gear and spellcraft bonuses. An epic feat or two can help shore up your weaknesses, but you don't need to go overboard. That said, with the upcoming fighter changes, these feats may be more valuable. We'll see.

Looks similar to what I did, though I skipped straight from derro to driders at level ~6, and driders to slime temple at level ~10. The trog mercenary can all but solo the slime temple if given a weapon with fire damage, and the temple should pay for his price.

>>6442

What do you do if you don't have nearly enough AC to handle slime temple or Ruined City? Or in Ruined City's case, not enough AB?

Get friends or hire a merc.

>>6737

What do the mercs even do? I've never even bothered with them. Are they just like companions, or what?

They're henchmen. They're all very powerful for the level range they're available for.

>>6686

Don't get too excited. Something shitty will come along to ruin everything in a matter of time.

>>6687

nah the server is milee ahead technically and i hear from the grapevine that the devs disagree alot so i think it will keep them in check, I know for sure at least midnight hated all miths shit from his old posts on the forum

>>6687

>Something shitty will come along

This is pretty much everything, ever. Something shitty will come along to ruin 8chan eventually. Something shitty will come along to to ruin some tiny country in the middle of fucking nowhere.

Like it or not, this is its own golden age. In five years time, we'll look back on this and think "Shit. The server had so much potential in those days." So enjoy the new era.

>>6687

fighter nerfs

>>6730

he said shitty

>>6189

Baator artefact door has a 50 dc ^^

>>6190

Then shoot to have 50 after gear and take 20. Should still be doable with 10 ranks, just make sure you make yourself a full set of open lock gear.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3PALW7h0E9YelRtYlh5Vy1qcHM&usp=sharing

Here have some powerbuilds

>>6688

You managed to mess up even the easiest powerbuilds by picking crap feats. Nice.

whilst we are talkin about this, what would work well for a super stealth type?

You should try 20 Fighter, 5 SD, 5 Assassin

Dex or Str based whatever and save the hips for emergencies to trick the other person

Would monk assassin work? Going for like heaps of Kama attacks?

>>6683

It would. But it'd be inferior to Monk/Rogues because the only way it'd get Epic Dodge would be to take 5 SD instead of Fighter levels.

>>6684

To be fair, monk/assassins are really fun(ny) for the ability to force assassination targets to take 4 DC 35-40 fort saves or be paralyzed.

You are right about Rogue being better tho.

>>5731

>>5746

>>5748

it was forced and pretentious

which is why only the "masterminds" remember it fondly (or at all)

>>5750

The Dominion's legacy lives in the administrations that followed: Aeylkin the shitdiglet paladin, Katanananana's randumb alt #37, Elzi and Niekander, Grindhouse the illiterate Tempurian, and more recently, Niekander Another One. Do I have to mention that until recently, Guldorand wasn't held by someone who could actually spell the town's name?

And of course, Burrowhome with Andriarna the Inactive, Cordor's resident pedobait jizzmop.

Seriously, guys. This is what you created with your short lived 'dominion.' Pat yourselves on the fucking back.

>>6093

>This is what you created

Is it though? It should be noted that the Dominion was defeated by outside forces (in addition to internal failcascading). The good guys then replaced them with that list of shitty leaders.

Is it really the bad guys' fault if their successors are absolute shitters, when they had absolutely no hand in their elections? That doesn't make a whit of logical sense. Blame the people who voted the shitters in.

Incidentally, the Dominion came about as a fairly natural occurence when the leaders of Guld, Wharf and Bendir kind of all got into power around the same time and got together ICly, it wasn't some plot years in the making.

I want something like that to come back again, not gonna lie. Imperialism is something that I want to see more of.

Mount Valtheran is based off of a character named Ryan Valtheran, that was played by a player named Lord_of_Pancakes

He pissed off Maelstrom, a DM who is a total bitch. Ask any DM.

He also pissed off a lot of other DM's due to his rampant pvp and talent at handing them their own asses.

He later played on alts and continued serving people their asses. Now he works in a fuel depot servicing Voyager projects for NASA. He pioneered a revolutionary method of collecting fuel from the collective butthurt of his many victims that continue to produce butthurt fumes even today

Maphias keeps a folder of screenshots of dead Elves.

>>6472

"Have I mentioned I'm gay today"

What is an #ActualProphet

>>6490

A combination of DOTN being 15 and thus taking themselves too seriously, taking their shitty deity too seriously, and doing the age old UD standby of acting like a goblin/drow/whatever OOCly because "hurr its funneh"

The 'How great is the character who posted above you' thread has to be one of the bigger circlejerks I've ever seen on the forums. It's like the kudos forum but without any attempt at subtlety.

Keeping score of how many times the same people post to milk their egos.

>>6510

It's the worst circlejerk ever, because I'm not cumming from it.

Disappoint.

>>6429

Close, but not quite. Arelith is a hack and slash and mechanics exploit server.

The people who aren't part of the in crowd for this end up in social RP because really, that's all they can do when a few small groups have most RP in lockdown.

>>6435

>>6429

you guys really pulled back the curtain here with your biting social commentary

everyone knows this, it was always about playing with the people you like and salvaging the meaning you can from the chaos

>>6433

>People always PM things like if you want to meet, where you want to meet, etc which idk if this constitutes as meta-gaming anymore.

it falls under "good metagaming" which is perfectly fine because it is conductive to rp. purity is just annoying frankly.

some people do take this too far though, you get those players who just wont lay off with the tells

>>6436

Playing with the people you like and making the server suck for everyone else are two completely different things, I'm afraid.

There are too many people who seem to think they're simply 'playing with you people you like' when they're actively fucking stuff up for everyone else. Is t here such a thing as 'good' metagaming? Yes. Is the Arelith community a good example of this? On the whole, that's a resounding 'no.'

This isn't ideal. When a niche server with a high bar of entry has a higher playercount than the most Vanilla server still running, there's a problem.

>>6437

Sinfar attracts the ERP crowd (And is one of the last such servers left too, iirc?). That goes a long way to explaining it to my mind.

>>6439

I was talking about Ravenloft, actually.

Sinfar has consistently had three times Arelith's population for a long time.

>>5649

What the fuck? What is this?

>>5649

I think you mean… flamer.

>>5649

http://i.imgur.com/i3IfafU.gifv

http://forum.arelith.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&p=42827#p42827

estar whining about other people's inability to RP something