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 No.2423

>Talent isn't real, they said

 No.2425

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might as well give up art

 No.2434

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>>2423
Talent is just hard work, kim jung gi wouldn't be kim jung gi if he didn't busted his ass everyday for 20 years.
>>2425
At least try you defeatist fag.

 No.2435

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>>2434
hadn't

 No.2441

Calling someone talented is technically an insult. Obviously no one ever means it that way when you think about it, calling someone talented is undervaluing or disbelieving all the hard work they put into their skill.

 No.2442

>>2441
some people really are just better at visualizing and perceiving than others. Everyone works hard, yeah, but most of us have to work harder to understand things than say what a child prodigy could pull out of their ass in a minute.

 No.2443

>>2442
Right there! Undervaluing. Prodigies are way more rare than ou make it seem. Visualizing and understanding is also a matter of training. Kim Jung Gi studies various imagery for hours on a daily basis to be able to recreate it, but you insist on not crediting him fully for that effort to feel better about your laziness.

 No.2444

>>2441
>>2443
Please take your projected insecurities somewhere else, thank you.

 No.2447

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>>2444
Child prodigies don't exist, ever heard about picasso? he was a fucking fraud, his dad painted his "prodigy" works until he started to produce his garbage independently, every other "child prodigy" out there is either a sham or falsely perceived as such (someone who knows jack shit about painting will get BTFO by some effortless photostudy).

Talent is not real, intelligence is, yeah some are fast learners, but they still gotta work, no one can pull things out of their ass just by divine providence.

>Inb4 autistic douche that does some seemingly "mindblowing" thing that is not really a talent.

I'm thinking of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3IMP0fwlCM
This is not "talent" this guy cannot draw from imagination, he doesn't know foundation, he just has photographic memory and moves a pen over a paper, he's literally copying an image.

 No.2448

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>>2447

>Child prodigies don't exist


I agree with this: what we call "child prodigies" are actually people who start the learning process and devote themselves at a younger age then many other people with the same trade, leading to them having an edge when they get older.

>Ever heard about picasso? he was a fucking fraud, his dad painted his "prodigy" works until he started to produce his garbage independently


Are you retarted?

I get not liking Picassos abstract work, or his late work, or any of his work, but saying that he was unable to paint realistically is just a really, really stupid thing to say.

While Picasso didn't like doing really realistic style, anyone who is familiar with his work will know all sorts of more realistic paintings that were his. Saying they were all falsified or misattributed (including realistic paintings done later in his life?) is stupid. Was the moon landing staged too?

 No.2449

I think talent is what determines "how" you use your set of skills. Some people use their skills in a way that are truly new or groundbreaking. But years of practice is still a requirement, in order to control your talent.

 No.2450

>>2444
>projecting your projections

 No.2451

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Kim Jung Ji is a fucking monster. No human is that good.
This one's called Jeremy Mann. He's got a page in Facebook. Check it out.

About never being as good as them... I'd say that while we fap and sleep, they keep on practicing.

 No.2453

>>2448
Look at the work of his dad, arrange his works in a time line, he never, ever, exhibited the level of expertise he supposedly had at 13, not even once, pretty weird don't you think? it even looks as if dad stopped helping!
Oh but I guess you don't see it, because you apparently think that picasso trying to paint realistically (and suspiciously enough, never achieving something as great as what he supposedly did at 13) somewhat proves that he was a master that ditched naturalism and not some shady hack that seized the opportinuty of his life in the corrupt abstract market.

 No.2454

>>2448
yes. yes it was.

 No.2458

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>>2423
He was born in 1975. He's 40 years old, he has decades of working and studying probably many days and many hours in an row. And someone who's still at the beginning of his artist path and in depression because he doesn't stamps master-tier art calls it "talent". Perhaps you've got your priorities wrong? Perhaps talent is simply an ability to drag yourself through all that years and work. Then maybe you haven't showed your talent yet, it's still somewhere in future waiting to catch up with you. Quit now, never look for it, because those people had it since the day one. Too bad they had to spend decades to show it.

 No.2469

>>2441
>>2443
>>2458
Then how come Eiichiro Oda's art is still shit after 18 years?

 No.2475

>>2469
not sure if bait or just misinformed.

Regarding the OP...If someone practices for 18 years, diligently improving their art every step of the way, mastering the fundamentals of painting and drawing, as well as learning a shit ton about how the world and its inhabitant are put together, you will be able to make beautiful art.

But you don't need to do that if you don't want to. There are other forms of beauty. A manga artist only needs to draw well enough for clear, visual communication of the story. Any difference in art after that comes down to taste.

People eventually start to become the artist they were meant to be, imo, as long as they do it for long enough, create a pure practice, and don't stubbornly stick to schools of thought that aren't for them (like hammering nails into their thigh every-time they practice). Hence why the best artists are all so unique. Sticking to it for countless years is either a sign that you were meant to be an artist, you enjoy being an artist, or have some extraordinary stubbornness. And if you enjoy being an artist and making/studying art, that is all that really matters.

 No.2509

Protip: Get over the egalitarian delusion.

Some people just can't draw. They'll be doing it for two decades and it still looks like shit because the simple fact is they'll never be able to draw something that does not look like shit. The fact that it takes effort to realize potential does not mean everyone has potential.


That said, if you like drawing then keep doing it. Hopefully you have potential, and even if you don't it's worth it as long as you enjoy it.

 No.2513

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marko is awesome

 No.2532

>>2513
he has a little bit of samehand thing going on
>>2425
These aren't that impressive on a technical level per se, it's mostly that the guy is patient enough to push the details. Kind of like eastern Cryptcrawler

 No.2539

>>2532
> eastern Cryptcrawler
That faggot photobashes hard lel.
You are pretty much blind if you think crypt has the same level as ruanjia, and that it's just an " attention to detail" thing.

 No.2564

>>2509
Chew you havisfactiona singelicious satisfact to snack that up?

 No.2854

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>>2564

It is possible that you did not have this image saved.

This is my present to you.

Live a fulfilled life.


 No.3004

But OP

Kim worked his ass since he was from Highschool. I believe he said that he practiced by doing life sketches of 20 pages a day.

A good habit to get into when practicing Art is to have a Short-Time Goal.


 No.3005

>>2423

That's not talent, that's hard work and skill.


 No.3009

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>>3005

>That's not talent, that's hard work and skill.


 No.3013

The real difference between talent and skill is that a skilled person can tell you why what they've done works while a talented person can't.

The talented person is more in touch with their subconscious which allows them more access to the extensive library of patterns their mind has recognized without their being aware.

You speak English, your subconscious speaks everything. That's why you can only pick up a word here and there. Increase your knowledge and skill, increase shared vocabulary with your subconscious, get more access.

Talent trumps skill for beginners. Skill trumps talent for the intermediates. At the upper levels, the lines start to blur.


 No.3071

>>2453

Why the fuck would you care now. He's dead, he will never influence your daily life in any way, why seeking for conspiracy everywhere, damn.


 No.3460

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 No.3487

Some people progress at faster rate, some people at slower rate. I saw some peeps chewing basic loomis for years and some making really nice portraits after few months of supposed 'beginnings'.

You should know that both of those types exist.

Ratio of work/progress is a thing I would call talent, because I can't find other term for that


 No.3488

>>3487

There are also hidden nuances that greatly affect how well you improve between two periods in time like how many hours a day, week and year they trained for, how concentrated and regular that study time is, how they practice, what else they're juggling in their lives (affecting the times in the day they can study and when and how long they can sleep), their study environment (quiet, comfortable room and desk with lots of space or noisy living room with lots of distractions and a cramped, messy surface area to practice), whether their practice is actually sitting in front of a computer procrastinating for 95% of the time and half-ass'd drawing for 5% or 100% drawing with the computer turned off/no computer, healthy diet (and having a drink during study to maintain concentration), how high they rank on autism, ADHD and OCD scales, and more.

Improvement times will drastically differ depending on how optimal all (or just some) of these factors are.


 No.3492

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