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fundamentals Anonymous 03/03/15 (Tue) 23:27:05 No.2439

ok so lets star from scratch. in this thread we discuss fundamentals and the best way to approach them.

Anonymous 03/03/15 (Tue) 23:28:30 No.2440

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>>2439
>can only post 2 images per post
>in the /art/ board

might want to look into that pal.

Anonymous 03/05/15 (Thu) 20:34:58 No.2445

Marshall Vandruff videos and Ernest Norling's perspective book.

Anonymous 03/07/15 (Sat) 19:40:18 No.2456

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I wrote this back when /ic/ was still worth something.

Anonymous 03/07/15 (Sat) 23:23:42 No.2457

>>2445
>>2456
many thanks. quick question, where is everyone? i know /ic/ was already slow and didn't really got affected by /v/ or /pol/ but still. shouldnt this board be more active given how /a/ /v/ and /co/ are always looking for drawfags? in other words what other forums does /art/ go to?

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 18:54:44 No.2465

>>2457

99% of drawfags can barely do a shitty doodle that wouldn't get ripped apart even in the beginner thread of /ic/. i think /ic/-academy just spits out maybe 1 or 2 pros per year, who then leave to pursue a career or whatever. the vast majority of posters are lazy wannabes who half ass everything and hate on everyone but stay addicted to /ic/ out of an unwarranted sense of elitism. they seem to think that knowing better, makes them better, without their art actually having to BE better and reflect the knowledge they claim to have.

it's a fucking shithole but there's always a small percentage of really quality people in there (the 1 or 2 pros that will make it this year, or pros that made it in later years but still ocassionaly pop up and chime in.

Anonymous 03/20/15 (Fri) 16:38:32 No.2511

>>2440
who did that first one anon? and do they have more?

sage 03/21/15 (Sat) 01:07:14 No.2514

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>>2457
lately I've been spending my time shitposting on /pol/.
>>2465
>99% of drawfags can barely do a shitty doodle that wouldn't get ripped apart even in the beginner thread of /ic/
This, I don't post here save for certain bits of discussion because I don't want to spam my garbage.

Anonymous 03/22/15 (Sun) 17:21:27 No.2535

>>2514
Where/How do you get solid criticism? Preferably from people who do know their fundamentals and can draw worth a damn. You seem to have a solid grasp.

Getting feedback on public places seems to be rare and far between, only when someone knowledgeable passes/drops by by chance.

Anonymous 03/23/15 (Mon) 00:36:17 No.2537

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>>2535
I used to go to /ic/ for that, and I got several gold nuggets of info an feedback that helped me a lot, but I couldn't stand the crowd over there, mainly because for every good critique I received, a horde of retards, no better than myself, shat on my work relentlessly.
pic related, some fuck turd actually gave this redline to me.(if you go, try to lurk a lot before showing your work and asking for critiques, I learnt more doing that compared to when I presented my own shit)

Anyway, every advice and critique leads to the same thing, so it doesn't matter if you don't get constant feedback. The only thing you need to do is strive for fundamental perfection a.k.a git gud at every fundamental.

So just read the books, take notes, observe artwork, grind your fundies,and don't stress over it, but don't be a lazy fuck either.

Anonymous 03/26/15 (Thu) 02:03:52 No.2563

>>2537
SOME of that redlining seems on the right track, pointing out some obvious stuff. It ain't perfect but it isn't a complete shit dump either

Anonymous 04/02/15 (Thu) 09:00:17 No.2591

>>2537

What's wrong with the redline?

Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 07:47:37 No.2597

>>2537
>9gag

no but seriusly i hate how artist diss anime in general or even claim cartoons are better than anime like the chart suggests. even the shittiest anime style requires more study than adventure time.

Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 18:11:14 No.2598

>>2597
> even the shittiest anime style requires more study than adventure time.

This must be one of those antagonizer posts that the author themselves does not actually believe.

Look, you can look up the credits for the show and find out exactly which artists worked on it. Then you can look up those artists. There's plenty of good talent on these shows.

Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 22:06:12 No.2602

so everyone draws the human body/skeleton differently. what method should i use?

Anonymous 04/25/15 (Sat) 20:18:49 No.2707

>>2457

Look at the sticky; we're spread out across a ridiculous number of boards.

Anonymous 04/28/15 (Tue) 20:06:38 No.2717

Is it better to move on to the next step (drawing people) if drawing forms and perspective is 2nd hand to you?

I understand it forms and how to build them, but I have to really think about them when I'm drawing something. It gets my head full of fuck

Anonymous 05/01/15 (Fri) 00:59:41 No.2728

>>2717

if form and perspective is 2nd hand to you, you can move to the next step by following vilppu's drawing manual. first part is gesture and form and starts getting into drawing the figure/anatomy a little bit later. But it will be good practice for you in finding an approach to drawing the figure that heavily relies on form-drawing, thus you'll be practicing your form drawing at the same time.

Anonymous 05/12/15 (Tue) 15:31:06 No.2790

>>2439

For the first post, which book would you recommend when it comes to drawing good lines?

Anonymous 05/12/15 (Tue) 17:19:47 No.2792

>>2790

drawabox.com has good exercises for lines

Anonymous 05/12/15 (Tue) 20:16:44 No.2795

>>2792

Thank you.

Anonymous 06/12/15 (Fri) 20:35:54 No.3097

anyone have a link to keys to drawing?

Anonymous 06/13/15 (Sat) 02:48:47 No.3099

>>3097

https://mega.co.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

Here you go anon, along with a shitload of other resources

Anonymous 06/13/15 (Sat) 15:47:40 No.3110

Oh lawd

Anonymous 08/05/15 (Wed) 04:58:58 No.3619

Anyone know a good book that goes deep into shadowing? All I know comes from those 2 pages in "perspective made easy".

Anonymous 08/05/15 (Wed) 14:16:40 No.3623

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>>3619

loomis's eye of the painter deals with some of it, hampton's design and invention does too.

Haven't read pic related, but I've heard this one is pretty good.

Anonymous 08/06/15 (Thu) 18:02:31 No.3636

>>3623

Thanks, I'll look into those.

Anonymous 08/06/15 (Thu) 18:46:59 No.3637

>>2537

Where can i find /ic/ ?

Anonymous 08/06/15 (Thu) 18:47:40 No.3638

>>3637

nvm

Anonymous 08/12/15 (Wed) 22:22:40 No.3686

>>3637

Is not worth it anymore though.

There are probably just 3 worthwhile posters left.

Anonymous 08/12/15 (Wed) 23:57:45 No.3687

>>3686

/ic/

G-get it?

Anonymous 08/13/15 (Thu) 15:14:39 No.3688

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>>3687

I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

Anonymous 08/14/15 (Fri) 07:51:41 No.3690

is it more important to be drawing actively in quantity than to be refining in quality when you are a beginner?

i currently do a lot of blind contour drawing and i don't really go for refinement. i just throw out fast thumbnails, dozens of them on a page per minute, and i just erase the page and do another, over and over. i'm not sure how to feel about it. if i try to stop and refine i just lose my flow and get caught up in the realization that i can't figure out where to put lines. is this something that passes over time, or should i change my approach.

Anonymous 10/15/15 (Thu) 07:59:48 No.4248

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>>3690

I'm no pro and while people who can only draw stick figures go 'omg ur such a great artist,' I can't draw crap, but I think I can give two cents.

You have to practice a lot, but you have to know what to work on. Spitting out crap will get you nowhere. I don't know how much this board will lynch you for being on tumblr, but those artists are a good example. They get popular, and they end up drawing a lot, but drawing poorly. What ends up happening is a whole lot of deterioration in their art.

Pics related- Before and after this one got popular. I specifically looked through to find one of the few entirely colored pieces of art she did recently since she mostly just does lineart doodles, but I think you can see what I mean. Even if somethings have improved, you can see laziness. The perspective is odd, the coloring has gotten worse, and so on. In a lot of the rest of her art, I've noticed that she's begun to draw the same face for her characters, even between a 15-year-old girl and a 35-year-old man.

Anonymous 10/17/15 (Sat) 06:38:07 No.4270

>>3690

I don't recommend erasing or throwing away your drawings. You need to look at what you've drawn and then decide what you want to change to make your next drawing better. This may even mean days or weeks later. Blind contour drawing is a good exercise and it's often difficult for beginners stop worrying and just draw so that's a plus for you. If you're wondering what to practice next go take a piece you like in the visual style(language? I can't think of the right word) you want your art to be in and list out what you need to learn in order to get there and then practice those things one by one. Try to attack each new difficult problem with the same energy you feel with your current drawing. In summary, draw a lot, draw methodically, and always be self critical.