/art/ - Art & Creative

>>2749

Well, it's pretty hard to find schools that give a crap about technically training people in art in the first place. Most people take art classes just to have something on their resume.

But seriously, that is terrible.

"manga" weebs, I think we all know them quite well.

>be me

>go to Abunai-con for shits'n'giggles.

>sit in on "art"-panel

>actual manga-artist explains why drawing basic shapes and practicing is important.

>9/10 weebs sigh/complain that it is boring to draw spheres and rectangles.

>respectfully put up my hand

>be selected to ask question.

"excuse me, could you explain a bit more about how the perspectives, spheres and rectangles and shadow-practices work together when drawing a character?"

>artist explains in detail, how it all fits together.(actually learned a few things myself there)

>get angry glares all around from weebs.

>decide to stick around a bit after the panel is done

>start conversation with the panel-artist, which went something like this.

A(artist): That was a very insightfull question that you asked.

Me: It's just something that I often struggle with.

A: Do you like Manga as well?

Me: I like drawing. Manga, realistic or otherwise.

Weeb: I really love manga!

A: Why don't you show some of your works?

>Weeb(roughly same age as me, maybe a bit older) shows drawing that she made with complete lack of depth and perspective.

A: ...That looks nice.

>I didn't bring my works, so I asked for a pencil and paper, and quickly sketched out some stuff.

A: Be carefull with how you line up muscle a and b there, the foot looks a bit off but otherwise you seem to have a good grasp of things.

>weeb asks for criticism as well

>artist gives REALLY fucking mild criticisms

Weeb: But that's just my style!

>weeb leaves

>go to anime-con next year

>same artist present

>Meet him outside panel

>He asks me to show him some stuff I did after last year

>weeb from last year jumps at the chance to show her work.

>show part of my portefolio, neatly arranged in a presentation-folder.

>Weeb pulls out rolled up papers from her bag and puts them on the table.

>weeb boasts she really learned a lot from last year.

>take a look at her work.

tfw all that changed is eye-size.

>artist tells her to keep practicing

moral of the story: "Style" is no excuse for lack of insight.

>>3379

>those drawings

As someone who can't even draw 3D cubes yet I need to ask, how the fuck did this happen?

>>3379

Does much of what Williams had to say back then still apply today?

I mean, in my area, sure, you get the crap art teachers who don't bother teaching the fundamentals to kids but it's evident they know themselves and are scamming educators out of their money. I had a boss AP Studio teacher at my high school who did bother teaching the fundamentals and evidently loved the craft. I knew like six creatives who were all decent in their specialty and they all could go to school that offered the proper technical training. And of course there's the Internet, where it's pretty much a race to the bottom in terms of prices. Don't like this artist's prices? Go pick another one that can deliver the same quality for a lower asking.

I kind of find it hard to believe that skilled artists are hard to find these days, because why would the market be so competitive now with so much accomplished work flowing out of it already? Why are there so many great hobbyists, trying and failing to earn a living solely making art, and relying on another occupation to keep the roof over their heads while they spend their recreation time turning out something that could fetch them a decent living in different circumstances? Why is it hard as heck to make a stable living as an artist now, given the assumption that most people don't have what it takes to become truly accomplished?

Yeah, most people go in with the wrong conceptions of what good art in, but as somebody who aspires to someday become financially independent on art, I can't help but wonder about these things.

This is a fucking repost from a /ic/ thread on cuckchan. I saw it like two months ago. OP you traitorous bastard.

>>3427

Aren't they all pasta?

>>3423

Well duh, but that doesn't answer the question itself. I can't help but wonder about the reasons.

>art high school because no money for nature sciences or economy, and unwilling to social sciences

>last year, plastic art

>we have to do a presentation of the work we did during the year, if people like it or not it's irrelevant but you fail the class if you don't present it; delaying your hollydays at least a month.

>Do absolutely nothing during the year because I'm really not intrested on it

>realize that if I don't come up with something quickly I'm fucked

>try to paint something, doesn't work

>try to sculpt something, doesn't work

>try to carve something in wood, doesn't work

>morning of the presentation, and I still have nothing at all

>going my dad's car to school preparing for my imminent doom when I see it

>people were working on the sewage and they left the lid open

>it was just a regular lid with a tire marking on top of it

>brilliant idea wildly appears in my head

>tell dad to stop, get out the car and pick the lid

>it reeks, but it's okay, I have to bear it for my vacation

>everyone came to school with really impressive shit, from sureal to highly detailed paintings

>I gave my lid to the teacher, and named it "Contemporaneum", tell her it was a retrospective view on contemorary society.

>He presents it

>People love it

>I now have a degree in art, just because I stole a manhole cover.

Okay, story time I guess. I have two.

First one - this happened in middle school:

>be in art class

>have a random assignment, don't remember what it was. I think you could do anything you'd want.

>I draw a mediocre drawing of a chick with headphones (at that time I was pretty proud with it)

>spend a lot time on the pose, I actually photographed myself because I couldn't find a good enough reference

>present it to the teacher proudly

>she says I traced it and gives me a 7 (out of 10)

>gives a 10 to a girl who drew a modern-ish painting of a fucking chair silhouette.

>I was mad beyond belief.

The second one happened in an art class of a college of sorts (the education system we have is way different than in murrica). The degree was called something along the lines of "A specialist of digital art and design"

>again, art class

>we had many of those - one for vector art, one for photoshop, one for animation, you get the idea

>this one was just plain art, paper and pencil

>I'm really hyped

>my class had:

>85% of people who did this just for the degree

>10% of people who said they could draw and had taken other art classes (mostly just symbolic art/manga shit/graffiti? art. yeah, one guy did that.

>5% of people who actually wanted to learn something

>first assignment - draw anything you'd like - one rule: no erasers.

>OHHH MYYY GOOOODDD and such could be heard in the classroom

>I draw some mediocre shit, walk over to other people

>oh my god they're even worse than I am

>teacher sees my work, say's I'm leagues above what she's gonna teach in this class

>go to few other lessons, she pays no attention to me

I left soon after. And I'm not even that good.

>>3364

fuck off kike

I returned a traced DBZ frame at art class in high school or something when we had to draw anything as homework, and the teacher said something about it having nice linework.

Thinking back now, I wish he had commented about it being traced. I guess it didn't matter to him for whatever reason.

>>3552

It's not that people don't care, it's that in this retarded emasculated society, confronting someone to demand higher standards creates tension that ends up in exaggerated conflicts over nothing.

It's easier and better to avoid such situations.

>Be weeb artist that studies from life

>Weebs always asking me for tutorials

>Make some tutorials on the fundamentals for dummies

>"Anon, I don't need these. I want to draw kawaii schoolgirls XD"

>If you practice these, can you can draw anything you want

>"But I don't want to draw everything. I just want to draw cute lolis"

>It's easier to draw them if you learn to this way

>"But it's so boring!"

>Well then don't be upset by the results you don't get with the work you didn't do

>"[triggering intensifies]"

The problem with these kids is they think they're smarter than the people with the talent they want, and the ones who humble themselves have no self-discipline to do everything they're told to do and nothing of what they're not told to do.

>>3554

>emasculated society

Found the SJW.

>>3563

Found the illiterate moron

>>3555

>Make some tutorials on the fundamentals for dummies

Dummy here. Could you post them, please?

I check'd

>>2749

Holy shit, I remember an assfuck like this. He literally just kept a folder of his anime tracings to show people. And I would recognize them because I happened to be a weeaboo at the time, and I'd point out that he didn't make that by himself, and all the other kids that sucked his cock because he was an Asian who drew animu would go "NO HE DIDN'T YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS"

smh. I remember he uploaded all that shit to dA, too.