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 No.3145

How do we get more people posting in here?

What do we do? do we advertise in other boards?

I'm thinking in making OC for each board, like some military and political themed drawings for /pol/ and maybe /k/, vidya fanart for /v/ and /ggrevolt/, memetic stuff for /bmw/and OC in general, maybe that'll boost traffic here and represent 8chan more (we truly need quality OC in this site in general)

 No.3146

Do you think boards like /pol/ and /k/ has a lot of artists? I'm not sure about that.

There was a similar discussion at >>2604

I think it boils down to the relatively small amount of traffic in 8chan in general. The popular boards are technically not popular enough to make people want to go to less popular boards. Even /v/ draw threads can last for up to a week.

Making the art boards more active could help, but that requires someone who is willing to do that consistently for a long time and probably alone.


 No.3147

a. 'ic-collab' thing thread

b. creatives tend to be leftists, thus not fond of 'nazi forums'

c. needs moar art dumps.


 No.3148

Networking by our users, and also creating a great posting environment.

I don't see a point in advertising to other 8chan boards. I'd think anybody who could contribute to the board would have already looked through the board catalog and would know this place exists.

The problem then is advertising to the far greater internet, and making the board attractive to more serious artists. How do you convince people posting here is worth their time? When I show people this board, most people usually say "it's dead." Make a posting environment that is great despite it being dead, that's what needs to happen.

There's a large demographic of decent artists who are unhappy with the current state of /ic/, and even some of them don't even browse it anymore. How do you convince them to make 8chan their new art home?


 No.3149

File: 1434747789099.png (7.19 MB, 3000x1744, 375:218, New Canvas.png)

>>3146

>>3147

>creatives tend to be leftists, thus not fond of 'nazi forums'

You would be surprised of how many /pol/acks and right wingers in general are creatives.

I think that, while lefturds show a strong interest in the artistic field, it's only the right wingers who value excellence and work as much as to really cope with the ordeal of learning the ways to create real art.

It's tumblr being so popular(thus artists dumping their shit in there), and art schools filled with pretentious hipsters producing garbage what gives the illusion of art being the field of the liberal (when it isn't).

Honestly, do you really believe that people like tehmeh, ruajia or kim jung gi are thinking in women's liberation, gender equality, multiculturalism, transexual rights and ending the heteronormative white patriarchy? Fuck no, good artists are too intelligent and too busy to fall for leftist bullshit.

Anyway /pol/ and /v/ are the most popular boards, catering to them would certainly bump us up.

>"hey you're really good, where can I learn?"

>>>/art/


 No.3153

>>3149

>You would be surprised of how many /pol/acks and right wingers in general are creatives.

I don't know about that. I don't know about the left/right, but while many /pol/acks certainly appreciate classical arts just as they do most classical things everything from architecture to fashion to music, I haven't sensed a lot of actual artistic pursuit in them.


 No.3154

>>3153

> I haven't sensed a lot of actual artistic pursuit in them.

This is true, although we have several creators amongst us, they are generally more focussed on politics and recent events.


 No.3155

>>3149

I'm from the right, and personally, I think the ones from the left are better (not the ones from the pic though, those are some awful cherry picking). Objectively, the ones from the left are also more creative, like it or not.


 No.3156

>>3149

how do you know the politics of anyone in those examples?


 No.3159

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>>3155

The fact that you can "cherry pick" shit from the left but not from the right it is pretty telling in itself.

Also, "creativity" implies creation, and the left creates nothing, literally all the artwork they present conveys some form of destruccion, "de-construction" and minimizing, the art of the left aims low and presents little.

>>3156

Art without foundation is intrinsically tied to liberal ideas.


 No.3160

>>3159

>you can "cherry pick" shit from the left but not from the right

This, there hasn't been anyone ever considered a "master artist" that didn't excelled at his fundamental skills.

Even picasso (who was a fraud) had to ride his reputation as a master realist for people to notice his liberal scribbles.


 No.3163

>>3159

>The fact that you can "cherry pick" shit from the left but not from the right it is pretty telling in itself.

Maybe it's because the bad artists from the right couldn't get through the test of time?

>Also, "creativity" implies creation, and the left creates nothing, literally all the artwork they present conveys some form of destruccion, "de-construction" and minimizing, the art of the left aims low and presents little.

It's still creation, like it or not. Pollock created a painting without representing a concrete object, for example.


 No.3166

>>3163

>couldn't get through the test of time?

Precisely, no one idolized people that didn't desserved it.

>It's still creation,

No it's not, pollock dripped paint on a canvas, is painting the walls of your home creation? No.

That kind of "artwork" is only useful to take a big fat dump on knowledge and tradition.

>without representing a concrete object

There you go, not creation, not even an attempt at it.


 No.3173

>>3159

>Art without foundation is intrinsically tied to liberal ideas

No, don't give me that. Quotes, citations, you have an obvious bias. What has Sargent said to lead you to believe that he was conservative? So far your argument has been " I like his art so he must represent me in every way."

>There you go, not creation, not even an attempt at it.

But by that definition, representation isn't creation either. I'll pick on Sargent again, he isn't "creating" anything when he makes a portrait, it's a reproduction of what he is seeing. Yes it was a masterful reproduction, maybe even elevated by technique, but you can only achieve something like that through caricature (read: not carnival souvenirs, selective design to accentuate personality), which is non-objective.

In fact, I argue that you can only "create" through non objective art. Which isn't limited the abstract expressionist movement you're obsessed with. At the same time, it's admittedly not always relateable, if not absent of objective meaning. It's because representational art relies on familiar images and ideas that are easily digestible is why I think you actually favor. At it's core "conservative" art rejects creation, because like conservatism, the belief is that there is/was a perfect state that we've strayed from.


 No.3174

>>3173

And before we get into ad hominem, I work in realism and want to be an animator.


 No.3175

>>3145

Dedicated, skilled posters who will share work and give critique on a daily basis.


 No.3181

>>3166

>Precisely, no one idolized people that didn't desserved it.

There are people right now who idolize "left artists". Even knowledgeable people.

>No it's not, pollock dripped paint on a canvas, is painting the walls of your home creation? No.

Yes, it is. How can yo fuck up about such a simple concept?

>That kind of "artwork" is only useful to take a big fat dump on knowledge and tradition.

Except it was a reaction towards tradition.

>There you go, not creation, not even an attempt at it.

>"It's only possible to create concrete objects"

Yeah, you are at another level of stupidity. You can create anything, it doesn't matter if it's a representation of reality or not.


 No.3183

You should all be ashamed, stop derailing the thread. But it's so...tempting...

>>3173

(I'm someone else)Liberals don't like Sargent because he is the theoretical perfect artist who grew up in the perfect environment and perfect family environment...also that he entertained the upper-class with his incredibly propagandist, beautiful portrait paintings. If Sargent was a liberal, he would have barfed at how perfectly set-out his own life was, and would have never even entertained the idea of painting portraits for the upper class.

Sargent created paintings that were more than what life had to offer. I believe it is more exciting to see a Sargent than it is to see what he was painting. It is creation, but not of theoretical ideas. It's Sargent's expression and conversation with what he is seeing; his expression is in the same realm of caricature(which you seem to not see) and is of what he finds interesting in his subject. It is designed, either at a conscious or subconscious level, as well.

Representational art does not rely on objects; it is the manipulation of them through the artist's eyes. Manipulation of composition to create a truly elegant and interesting picture. It is similar to how the Russians use life and what their eyes see; it is the inspiration for the picture the artist wants to make, it's the fuel for imagination and creation of paintings. Good drawing and painting is more than being able to just replicate what you see.

I suppose it's just a different side of the coin, and non-representational art is in many ways similar. But, this is what I look up to rather than the other.


 No.3184

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>>3173

>So far your argument has been...

0 reading comprehensiion, my argument has not been to prove fundamental art belongs strictly to the right, but that garbage belongs solely to the left.

https://vimeo.com/67556847

The political ideology of old masters matters little to this, as it is a fact that all the garbage plaging the art world is the product of cultural marxism, the basis of liberal thinking, an ideology hellbent into destroying everything.

>by that logic representation isn't creation

I'm sorry that you seriously believe random colors represent anything or are creating something.

>he isn't "creating" anything when he makes a portrait

Yes he is, that portrait isn't going to create itself by dripping some paint over the canvas.

And even then, if you think it "doesn't count" because he's using refference, what hapens when he's doing it from Imagination? You need to be in severe denial and deeply missunderstand the act of creation to really think that also isn't creation "because people, mountains, animals, buildings etc. already exist".

>In fact, I argue that you can only "create" through non objective art

You are braindead my man, ditching all the tools and knowledge we have at our disposal to accurately repressent our imagination, and opting for splashing paint, drawing basic figures or even shapes isn't "true creation","true imagination/creativity" or whatever the fuck you're Implying.

Imagine a god that creates worlds upon worlds with a firm grasp of reality as we know it but still lets his imagination wander and come up with unique life forms and enviroments, now imagine a god that creates shapes and colors because he thinks that's more original and unique, the later is simply wrong.

>"conservative" art rejects creation

Far from that, as it ensures the preservation of the knowledge to truly create, but I don't expect you to understand this, as you seem to believe visual ramblings are worth something.

>>3181

>There are people right now who idolize "left artists".

That's the point, they don't desserve it, it all stems from the perpetuated myth that their work devoid of knowledge, merit and ambition is the same or even better that the work of old and contemporary masters.

The artworld of "the right" doesn't idolize people that do not desserve it.

>Even knowledgeable people.

Doesn't mean anything, there are "knowledgeable people" that believe transexuals aren't mentally ill and that mutilating their bodies is beneficial and succesfully "transitions" them.

The truth doesn't stop being the truth just because the majority, or in this case, "knowledgeable people", believe so.

>Yes, it is.

Have fun painting walls, surely, in this day and age where spraying paint from your ass is considered "art", there's nothing stoping you from bullshiting your way to success.

>Except it was a reaction towards tradition.

To destroy it, learn 2 cultural marxism, nothing happens in a vacuum.

>You can create anything

care to elaborate what is creating pollock or any other color field abstract modern whatever painter?

Don't give me the "it represents a concept" bullshit, I want to know what the smeared shit is supposed to be, literally.


 No.3188

>>3183

Hey I'm >>3175 as well, that's all we really need.

>Liberals don't like Sargent because he is the theoretical perfect artist who grew up in the perfect environment and perfect family environment..

Citation needed,all I'm reading is how YOU feel about "liberals".

>t's Sargent's expression and conversation with what he is seeing; his expression is in the same realm of caricature(which you seem to not see) and is of what he finds interesting in his subject

...I explicitly mentioned how caricature heightened Sargent's work. I also said caricature is not objective, does that mean Sargent doesn't create?

>Representational art does not rely on objects; it is the manipulation of them through the artist's eyes.

Which is non objective. Yes there's more then reproducing life, but then you're leaving the realm of objectivity. Can you really say there's an ultimate form of expression? That idea sort of negates the point of art.

>I suppose it's just a different side of the coin, and non-representational art is in many ways similar. But, this is what I look up to rather than the other.

And that's fine.

>>3184

>And before we get into ad hominem

Should have known, this is my last reply. You really don't give a shit about art outside of railing against the leftist bogeyman.

>0 reading comprehensiion

It was your dumb cherry picking image macro you got from /pol/ that conflated Sargent with the right. I asked you to back up your hand me down argument and you ran as fast as you could from it. It's the only reason I replied.

I really urge anyone lurking in the conversation for form your own opinions on art, and not let the left/right dictate your tastes. Lest you end up arguing on some obscure board when you could be drawing.


 No.3189

>>3188

You know jack shit about me son, and apparently you do have 0 reading comprehension.

Anyway, I'm terribly sorry that you got so anally blasted that people don't fellate the shit you like that resorted to strawmen and ad hominems, completely ignoring every argument put forth.

>B-BUT HOW DO U KNOW SARGENT WAS A RIGHT WINGER

It doesn't matter, leftism produces pure garbage.


 No.3191


 No.3192

>>3191

Can't access the metapedia link


 No.3196

Whether creatives tend to be leftists or not, where does this leave us?


 No.3197

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>>3196

Well, we are in the place where people "too extreme for 4chan go", so we're bound to have some pretty intense ideas colliding constantly.

I say that in the end, the political inclinations are mostly irrelevant as long as the actual quality of the posters shines through the conflict.


 No.3202


 No.3203

>>3192

I find it good practice to archive links I cannot access to see if they are inaccessible for just myself or for everyone:

https://archive.is/YQEhM (webarchive, webcite and a few other archiving sites are viabld options too)


 No.3204

>>3184

>That's the point, they don't desserve it

Nice circular logic. I think I'm done with you.

>Doesn't mean anything, there are "knowledgeable people" that believe transexuals aren't mentally ill and that mutilating their bodies is beneficial and succesfully "transitions" them.

The truth doesn't stop being the truth just because the majority, or in this case, "knowledgeable people", believe so.

Yeah, the whole world spins around you, so it's obvious you are the only one who can be right about this subject. Because if it's not the knowledgeable people who are right, I'm pretty sure some random anon with hot opinions is.

>To destroy it, learn 2 cultural marxism, nothing happens in a vacuum.

It never destroyed it, "right artists" still exist.

>care to elaborate what is creating pollock or any other color field abstract modern whatever painter?

An abstract painting, duh!

Are you really that stupid? It's a very simple concept!

>Don't give me the "it represents a concept" bullshit, I want to know what the smeared shit is supposed to be, literally.

Literally, it's not supposed to be a concrete object. Have you ever read a book about art by the way?


 No.3205

>>3189

>It doesn't matter, leftism produces pure garbage.

It seems the problem here is not the art, but the political parties involved.

Really, you are the lowest of the low.


 No.3209

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>>3204

>I'm done with you

>still responds

the anal pain is noticeable.

> the whole world spins around you

What's the matter my man, is your pea brain incapable of fathoming that there's more than one person in the world sharing contrarian views?

>It never destroyed it, "right artists" still exist.

Because common sense is a hard thing to undermine, keep ignoring the big picture though, I'm sure those museums and artschools still value traditional art and training, which is totally not a dying craft.

>Are you really that stupid?

Says the talking turd, didn't your parent's taught you to read? I don't want you to tell me what kind of painting it is fucko, I wan't you to tell me what it literally represents without ressorting to "muh abstract ideas".

>Literally, it's not supposed to be a concrete object.

Then it creates nothing, thanks for proving the point.

>Have you ever read a book about art by the way?

Probably more than you, but I forget, garbage art is high culture for the learned :^).

>>3205

Your illiteracy is astounding, but no, both are the problem.

let me repeat myself, whilst foundational art is not exclusive to "the right", garbage is exclusively produced by the left.

Now get lost dipshit.


 No.3210

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


 No.3211

>>3203

Thanks, never ocurred to me that you could use archives like that.


 No.3212

>>3188

>Implying you need to know anything about politics to see abstract art for what it is


 No.3213

>>3145

I think a good first step is developing a really solid base of resources for beginners, you know info-graphs, tutorials and advice; make this board 8chan's reserve of art related information so that beginners will flock here to learn art. Even if you gotta steal'em from /ic/ or where ever, resources would give visitors something in the absence of other posters.

Another good step would be to shill for /art/ in drawfag threads, most of the boards I visit have at least one in their catalog most times, and they're always full of toys sulking that they suck. If you point them here they might come if they're inclined to get better, but there's got to be something here for them to come to which revisits the first step.

I think I would also be a good idea to cross board with /co/. They had a really good beginner thread a while a go with a lot of good advice and links, but it's gone. Still they're probably the most popular art related board on 8ch, so it might still be worth it.


 No.3214

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Unrelated discussin doesn't get this board trending.


 No.3215

>>3213

nice


 No.3234

>>3213

>They had a really good beginner thread a while a go with a lot of good advice and links, but it's gone.

Anon will deliver.

https://archive.today/6YqI5


 No.3236

I had an idea a few months ago. I created a board called /event/, which should be long dead by now. It was supposed to be a board promotion board but was geared toward "events" happening on a respective board. The idea was to have the more educational boards have events that would attract interested users. Something like car repair with /o/ or beginner exercises with /art/. Something in that vein.


 No.3237

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


 No.3238

File: 1435045814459.jpg (44 KB, 506x340, 253:170, chaika middle finger.jpg)

I've been thinking in literally going to the boards and shitpost the place like the brown pill and poke faggots did.

"HEY YOU, YES YOU FAGGOT, DO YOU WANT TO STOP BEING A PLEB AND GIVE SOME MEANING TO YOUR EXISTENCE? COME HERE, LEARN TO DO SOMETHING BEYOND MASTURBATING!"

>>>/art/


 No.3239

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>>3238

It's shitty cartoon drawings of expressionless girls with uzi's that give my life meaning. Pathetic inferior plebs can never understandè.


 No.3241

>>3239

Try advertising in the drawfag threads on /v/ and /co/.

Good luck and don't give up guys


 No.3243

File: 1435053815117.jpg (55.23 KB, 853x480, 853:480, is this a emem.jpg)

emem a siht si


 No.3244

>>3238

You're going to attract unnecessary ebin memers rather than people who are serious about learning art, plus you'll make everyone else hate this board because they associate it with obnoxious spammers.


 No.3246

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>>3239

oh boi, you came, well, here is your meaning.


 No.3247

File: 1435069007160.png (Spoiler Image, 12.93 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, artpone.png)

>>3246

she's a fine pone


 No.3251

>>3246

I could make it a meme


 No.3255

>>3247

muh dick

>>3251

please do


 No.3256

>>3244

If it makes us stand out it will eventually catch the attention of serious people, and don't worry, I'm not autistic enough to do it more than once several months.


 No.3258

I don't know if this is related, but I want to ask, what happened to the good artists that where around?

I mean yeah,I know that at least some are still around here, but why did they stopped posting like they did before?


 No.3259

>>3258

They're probably busy making art and having a life and stuff. The best way to suck for a long time is to do what I do, never sketch in public and just make impulsive doodles and basic "exercises" when you're at home.


 No.3262

>>3209

personally I don't enjoy hitler's work much, his paintings were static.

btw he was obsesed with Vermeer.


 No.3263

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>>3262

That image was made back in 2013 I guess, when some /ic/ abstract faggot tried to argue with /pol/ about how that blue painting was actually really really good and it was trully worth 44 million dollars.

It's a parody/resume/strawman of his argument.

>hur you nazis don't know shit about art, hitler was shit, that's why he couldn't get into artschool

>onement VI is a trascendental masterpiece worth every penny and even more, Barnett Newman is truly a contemporary genius, you faggots just don't get it cuz ur stooooopid racist rednecks and suck dick, muh uneducated opinions.

I don't like Hitler's work that much either, he was good and that's worth nothing, but I wish he had drawn more people/characters.


 No.3452

>>3263

*noting




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