No.4114
I can't be the only one who thinks there's something horribly wrong about the proportions and pose in this piece.
No.4115
>>4114
Nose is not where it should in terms of the x axis. Why the hell is the hand in the back bigger than the hand that's closest. The fucking head just looks so weird, the way its connected to the neck. The titties and the left are, their relationship together is off. And I could be wrong, but the way her body is twisted is so uncomfortable.
No.4117
Her back is bent heavily and she's leaning deep to the front, yet she's not pressing against the couch and she's only lightly touching the wall with her fingertips, and add to that her disgusting incredibly heavy looking cowtits. It's very physics-defying and looks unsettlingly impossible.
No.4134
>>4117
>yet she's not pressing against the couch
She is. Look at her right elbow and forearm.
No.4137
>>4134
The couch is soft, and from the amount she's leaning forward, the couch should be heavily crushed down. Instead, it shows no signs of being pressed against.
No.4138
>>4137
>The couch is soft
Do you have any proof of this?
> it shows no signs of being pressed against.
Dude really? Check my 1st embedded image.
> Why the hell is the hand in the back bigger than the hand that's closest.
It's not, retard. Check my 2nd image.
>And I could be wrong, but the way her body is twisted is so uncomfortable.
Well, you are wrong; a lot of people can easily bend like that. 3rd pic related. People can bend their back way more than OP if they just put some training into it, like my 4th pic.
No.4140
>>4138
>>4138
>you can't post 4 images in one post on a dedicated art board
Mod, please fix.
Anyway, here's the 4th image.
No.4144
>>4138
Those tiny wrinkles are so faint that I literally did not see it until now. Those are the kind of wrinkles you would add on hindsight because you have no idea how to make the two interact properly.
The couch is soft because of the way the leather/whatever wraps around the seams and bulges in the middle and is generally round shaped.
The first post wasn't mine.
The problem with OP isn't that the back is bending too much, it's that the pose doesn't support it. You generally need a lot of weight to bend that much, either by using the weight of your upper body to bend down, or using the floor and legs as leverage to keep your lower body in place.
If she did that pose, she would use her arms against the wall/couch for balance and apply a lot of pressure forward, which again is what the arms are not suggesting at all.
No.4151
>>4144
>Those tiny wrinkles are so faint that I literally did not see it until now.
Dude, check your eye-sight.
>Those are the kind of wrinkles you would add on hindsight because you have no idea how to make the two interact properly.
Or the kind of wrinkles you add if you expect the people who will see your image to be able to, you know, see?
>The couch is soft because of the way the leather/whatever wraps around the seams and bulges in the middle and is generally round shaped.
No, that just means that the leather wrapped around the couch is soft. As we can clearly see from where she is putting her hand; the material under the leather is fairly hard so she isn't making much of an imprint on it (still making an imprint).
>it's that the pose doesn't support it.
Yes it does, she is literally just bending forward. Are you like really fat or something?
>If she did that pose, she would use her arms against the wall/couch for balance and apply a lot of pressure forward, which again is what the arms are not suggesting at all.
You're forgetting her leg. She has moved her right leg forward to support herself on the couch. Her knee is on the couch holding up her body. She is also using her arm to put to pressure on the couch.
Also, my 2nd pic shows a man doing a one-handed push up using his fingers. So yes, you can hold your body weight rather easily (in the position she is having) with her arm, knee and fingers.
No.4153
>>4151
Is this your favorite image to jack off to, or why exactly are you so aggressively defending it?
See pic.
No.4154
>>4153
What about the breasts? They're so oversized, it's not funny.
No.4168
>>4153
>defending it?
Because you're retarded, I have to call you out on it.
>that pic
Wow, this is going to be fun. Like real fun.
Okay, first pic, you tried to redline her leg to show how she can't hold her pose with how her leg is placed. The problem here is that your eyesight is so bad that your redline isn't actually following where here legs are going.
Your argument is that your redline shows that her legs are placed wrong but your redline doesn't follow her legs.
>pic 2
Pretty self explanatory, she knee and underarm is supporting her weight as well as her fingers. The man in the picture holds most of his weight with his fingers.
>3rd pic
I don't need to write a comment here since I did that in the pic.
Continued.
No.4169
>>4168
Part 2.
>>4153
> 1st pic
I know this might be a weird concept but there are strong women out there. There is nothing to say that the author didn't draw a strong woman.
> 2nd pic
If you had good or even just average eyesight you would have seen that the athlete I posted didn't hold up his body using his hands but using his fingers. That was the point I was making; fingers are strong enough to support one's body weight (well, maybe not yours since you're probably really fat, but a normal sized person should be able to).
Honestly dude, check your eyesight.
>>4154
>oversized
I wouldn't say that, many women have large natural breasts.
This woman has the largest pair of breasts in the world; http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-natural-breasts and as you can see they are much larger than OP's.
No.4170
>>4168
>I have to call you out on it.
Well you can do that without throwing pointless personal insults every other sentence. That only makes you look like an underageb8 who's sitting on top of the mount stupid.
>Your argument is that your redline shows that her legs are placed wrong but your redline doesn't follow her legs.
Yes, they do. Not perfectly because that's not important, but they do. My redline is being GENEROUS towards YOUR argument, if I was more precise, the balance would be even more off.
You're welcome to fix it, but you didn't.
>I don't need to write a comment here since I did that in the pic.
The black lineart is only a small part of the whole. It's like you didn't read the text at all. The whole point is that the rest of the rendering (see: the largest and most visible part) is not affected. This is why it looks like the black lines were added on hindsight, and why the couch is not really being pressed against.
>I know this might be a weird concept but there are strong women out there.
The point isn't what is possible and what isn't, the point was explaining why the drawing looks off. And it looks off because the drawing does not suggest a proper support for the weight.
I don't know if you're an artist because it really doesn't sound like you are, but a drawing can look awkward and out of balance even if it is 100% physically accurate. You can even make photographs look wrong. You can take a photograph of someone in standing pose in mid-jump, and it will look off because the person is "standing in mid-air". It's possible, but it doesn't look right in that image. You sound like you would defend backwards arms because arms can be broken and subsequently twisted backwards.
Any professional artist will let you know that drawing floating people is an artistic mistake and tell you to fix it (unless it's part of the subject matter). Likewise, any professional artist will tell you to fix balance problems like this to make the drawing better.
>the athlete I posted didn't hold up his body using his hands but using his fingers
You're completely missing the point again. You may find the point by reading the text: the arm is in a super awkward position for supporting weight, which again makes the drawing look off.
>That was the point I was making; fingers are strong enough to support one's body weight
Yes, but when you're supporting things with fingers, your fingers show it. Her fingers are not bending or squishing in any way at all.
>I wouldn't say that, many women have large natural breasts.
Not my comment, but they're over sized because they're way above normal size. See above about what professional artists would say.
No.4177
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>>4114
That has nothing on this.
No.4187
>>4177
>breasts are balls in front of her thorax
I can't draw proper shadows on squares but this makes me mad.
No.4188
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>>4187
I really wonder how this is found attractive at all.
I really hope the other anon makes a good analysis of that one.
Throwing another one by the same artist while we're at it. It's fucking laughable how poor the anatomy is.
No.4191
>>4188
At least the boobs are properly-ish connected to the body now, but holy shit. I don't know if coming here made me an autist or if shit was already fucked up but I can't fap to that. By the way, is it me or is the right boob of the chick in the front bigger than her left one?
No.4193
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>>4191
>is it me or is the right boob of the chick in the front bigger than her left one?
Surprisingly enough, that's actually quite accurate in real life but nowhere near as in that pic.
Here's another. This and the upcoming one crack me up in particular. But the very first one I posted is easily the worst of them all.
No.4194
And here's the other one I referred to. This is probably the only one that is as worse as the one in >>4177
No.4218
>>4193
>>4194
This shouldn't make me mad as I currently am.
No.4230
>>4188
>>4177
>>4193
>>4194
It's this kind of shit that I don't do anime/manga anymore.
No.4239
>>4230
It's not like western comic books are any different, really.
No.4243
>>4188
>>4177
>>4193
>>4194
OP here: could anyone redline these ones?
No.4252
>>4243
Agreed, knowing just WHAT is wrong in these would help those of us still bad enough to not see it
No.4258
>>4114
This is a porno. I get that we want to be serious with our art, but this was probably drawn by a guy who was jacking with his offhand, and proper anatomy bows before the rule of the boner. Now if you want to evaluate it on those terms... it could be a lot better.
The look on her face is supposed to be lustful, I assume, but it comes off as flat. Bedroom eyes look a bit too bored. Ass could use more softness to it, and the entire hip region could be a lot more alluring. The breasts just don't feel like they hang properly. Not terrible, but I can't jack to this. It's hard to tell from the pose if she "tripped" or if she's presenting herself to fuck, just because the right hand is a bit weak (obviously the artist didn't really care about that hand much, and just wanted to put it somewhere). It probably would have looked a lot better braced on the couch itself. A more extreme (and less atomically correct) twist to her spin to present her ass to the reader would also be appreciated, and clarity her intent.
I feel erotic art should use the rules of anatomy when they aid in the arousal, and do as it pleases when they don't. That said, nothing in this thread quite works for me, these are more to my taste.
No.4268
>>4252
>>4243
Is there any good redlining software? I'm up for the challenge.
No.4272
>>4268
really dude? every drawing software able to do that. just make mutiply layer and use red brush to redline it.
No.4273
>>4272
I know that. I've done it before. But I was simply wondering if there was an easier way to do those particular cases: there's so much wrong with it, it'll end up being a mess.
No.4299
>>4114
Neck looks like it's protruding painfully and definitely not even from where it's supposed to; bug eyes, tiny and misplaced nose; shoulders are completely off; oversized breasts; the way she's bending her back makes it look like she's suffering from scholiosis or some shit; ass is oversized; thighs are oversized.
>>4177
I don't even know where to start: right girl's face is completely off, absurdly pointy chins on both, breasts larger than their heads, breasts look like literal balls just stuck to their torsos; no attempt at making them look a bit plausible at least; oversized nipples.
>>4188
One breast looks longer than the other; they look like literal udders; thighs and hips don't work that way.
>>4193
Breasts too big, again; breasts don't hang like that either; her arm is too long as well, not proportionate to the rest of her body.
>>4194
Again, breasts don't work that way; flat ass; craptacular perspective; head and chin look like they're just floating there; and yet another case of severe scholiosis as well, seeing how she's bending her whole spine.
No.4339
>>4337
>image
I don't even know where to begin,
No.4345
>>4339
It's fun, isn't it?
No.4346
Now i'm not gonna say there's nothing wrong with any of those, but ya'll niggas nitpickin' hard. Now let me post you some good, quality anime.
No.4350
>>4346
This... is a Masterpiece...
No.4351
>>4350
damn straight it is
No.4356
>>4340
Congratulations on making a worse post than the one you're trying to mock.
No.4359
It's like no one has ever heard of Takahiro Kimura ever. This guy is seriously THE worst anime/manga artist I know of. The single worst. His work for Godannar is some of the worst I've ever seen in any series. The designs are absolutely disgusting in every way possible.
No.4365
>>4359
If that's the worst you can find you must be new to the internet.
No.4366
>>4273
If you aren't familiar with the concept of multiple .psd layers over a JPEG you clearly weren't up to the task to begin with.
No.4370
>>4365
Those aren't professional artists, though. Kimura is. And he's absolutely terrible.
No.4372
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>>4370
Other than the horseface, i'm not seeing the problem here.
No.4378
>>4372
I'm seriously going to get nightmares after seeing that.
No.4390
>>4370
Are you sure they aren't pro? This stuff is less off-putting than that one captain america picture, which I recall also being pro. Didn't save it though.
No.4395
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>>4390
Comic book artists in general are shitty, to be honest.
Nothing beats the Taiwanese on that regard, though. Pic related.
No.4406
>>4395
Nothing fills me with quite as much fury as seeing weebs gush over art like this, just because it's their waifu.
And the fact that despite the fucked up proportions, the shading and colors are better than anything I've ever shat out so these jank proportions are clearly done deliberately because of the artists fetish.
No.4413
>>4395
There's so much wrong with this, I can't even...
No.4414
>>4406
you know, I have to ask, what exactly is wrong with her, proportionally? Is it just because she has big titties?
Is her head too small?
No.4419
>>4414
I'm not really good enough to do that.
No.4424
No.4427
>>4424
No I mean I'm genuinely not good enough at anatomy to redline it.
Here, I'll prove it. I'm >>4377 if you open the thread and check the following replies you'll see I'm not full of shit in saying I'm full of shit.
No.4450
OP's image is certainly disgusting. And several by Satou and the chub one are pretty bad too.
But pic related is easily one of the worst artists I've ever seen.
No.4495
>>4414
Look at the shoulders, and try to follow her right arm to its hand. And look at her left hand compared to the perspective of everything else. That's just for starters...
No.4501
>>4337
Fuark, she looks juicy.
would smash/10
>HTAM
No.4507
>>4501
To be honest, the thumbnail doesn't look half as bad
No.4509
>>4507
>To be honest, the thumbnail doesn't look half as bad
Ditto tbf fam
No.4522
>>4450
I looked this guy up, and yeah. It's embarassing how he can get any commissions.
>>4495
>That's just for starters...
Anything else? The head seems...odd. Somehow.
No.4533
>>4450
>not having an abnormally long torso
>>4395
>not wanting air balloon tits and a pudgy gut
Face it, you guys just don't know what you want.
No.4566
>>4533
It's more about having standards, anon.
No.4599
>>4566
post your hentai stash if it's so great standard.
No.4633
>>4599
That's not how you win an argument.
No.4635
Christ, OP. I wank to drawings too but at least find a decent artist.
No.4650
>>4635
I still don't get what's so wrong about OP's image.
No.4663
No.4664
>>4663
Reverse image search mate, it's easy to find
No.4670
No.4717
>>4650
Did you not read the thread?
No.4718
>>4717
There's not a single redline. Aren't you guys supposed to be artists?
No.4739
She's lost her sides and so have I.
No.4742
>>4372
What in God's green shit am I looking at? What hell does her face look like that one "How to Draw Manga" book? You know the one I'm talking about right? And her body. Where the fuck do I even start?
No.4747
>>4739
I LAUGH LAST CAUSE YOU CAME TO DIE
No.4786
>>4365
I still don't understand how artists get better at colouring than their linework
No.4787
>>4650
The complete lack of weight the character seems to have is a prominent one.
No.4793
Lads, I'm in the middle of drawing pic-related.
When I uploaded it, to update on progress, people said it looked good.
Someone said the proportions look a bit off and another said Millefeui looked like a man on first glance. (The one on the right mouth fucking Ash.)
I thanked them for pointing it out as you do and said I would do something about it.
Therein lies the problem however...
I'm fucking useless when it comes to spotting errors unless it's really fucking obvious.
(Which it probably is and I'm just shit. pls no bully)
tl;dr
I have no idea if the image is now ready for colouring.
Is it? If not, why?
No.4794
>>4793
So I took a break from drawing and came back to see if that was what I was needing to figure it out.
It's Millefeui's head that's too small right?
pls say yes
No.4795
>>4793
>>4794
The head is too small, yeah. There's a ton of little things that are wrong with that though, but I'm too tired to redline atm.
No.4796
>>4795
>>4795
>The head is too small, yeah.
Cool.
>a ton of little things that are wrong with that though
O-oh...
No.4801
>>4793
I'm not much better man, so I can't exactly redline, but I still noticed this.
Where the fuck does the rest of his arm go? Around her? Behind Her? Because right now it looks like his shoulder just fuses into her sternum.
Beyond that, she's too straight and the hips aren't right. I don't know how you went about this, but the bodies feel disjointed and disconnected, even amongst themselves. Her midsection doesn't really line up with her pelvis, and there's a lot of randomly ending body parts when they go behind something (Ash's left leg, both legs on the girl he's fucking.
It's like the other Anon said, it's not really one thing, it's a bunch of small things that add up to form an almost non euclidean sense of depth.
I'm not really one to talk though so you might want to either wait here or post it in
>>>/loomis/11
I know /loomis/ might seem dead, but I guarantee you'll get a response in that thread.
No.4807
>>4801
Thanks for the input dude, I get what you mean. I reckon it'll be easier to just start again.
I'll upload the new pic to loomis and here once I'm done.
No.4844
>>4395
Pic related as in it's shit, right?
Also Build Fighters Try was shit.
No.4881
>>4844
Explain why it's "shit".
No.4934
>>4881
Because you like it.
No.4935
>>4881
Just look at the proportions, you blind idiot.
No.4937
>>4935
What are you talking about?
The proportions of the suits in Try were fine, if you're going to dump on Gunpla proportions then shit on Katoki.
No.4944
>>4937
I know you're probably just joking, but I meant >>4395
Really...those proportions on that girl are horrendous. I seriously don't get why anyone would find it even worthy of fap material.
No.4952
>>4944
If you know so much about fapping then why don't you post your penis?
No.5016
>>4153
>>4168
Is the anon who did these redlines still here?
No.5024
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>>5018
spend more time shitting hundreds of line drawings instead of polishing just one, also pic related.
No.5030
>>5024
This is now the plan and probably the best way to go about operating. The Sycra videos and my picture's lukewarm reception elsewhere made that abundantly clear.
>That moment when you realize the few who complained about never sticking to one drawing long enough to finish were actually at an advantage the entire time
No.5058
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It's an established fact that Japanese artists are terrible when it comes to proportions.
Then again, Western comic book artists aren't any better, but at least they're finally getting the hint.
No.5062
>>4952
I want monster girls to leave.
No.5082
>>5058
Well first off, no duh. In Japan big boob fetishes are huge, and now big but fetishes are a thing. Why not give the people what they want?
And also why are you getting so bent out of shape? Do some artists have proportions that are odd looking? Yes, but alot make unrealistic proportions look good.
Cartoonists, comic book artists, animation, and even some of the Masters impressionism, expressionism, they all alter proportions. But somehow you know best? Fuck off.
Lastly, your apparent hatred towards anime and Japanese artists makes you worse then anyone. A blanket statement about how they are all terrible because of porn? Are you sure you shouldn't be shitting up /b/ or /v/?
Why is your opinion worth more then a normal person?
No.5085
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>>5058
Purposefully exaggerating proportions to accentuate particular features while keeping everything else in concordance is fine, exaggerating shit because "muh style" and because you can't actually draw it correctly IS wrong.
Just because it isn't entirely realistic means it's bad m8.
No.5088
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>>5085
*doesn't mean it's bad
No.5089
>>5085
>>5088
Nice to see another Ban fan around.