No.1813
>Wiccatru SJWs say Asatru should accept LGBTs because Loki is a transgender otherkin
>They don't realize he's supposed to be evil because the Marvel movies make him look like a misunderstood victim(Much as how they perceive themselves when they ironically lead the most privileged lives)
>They don't get triggered when he takes advantage of a disabled guy and uses him to plot a murder
>They don't get triggered when he goes full patriarchy and oppresses Sif by cutting her beautiful hair
>They don't get triggered when he mocks Thor for crossdressing(Which in the context of the story was totally understandable and okay at the time)
Another one
>Reading some Asatru related blogs
>Find one bringing up the idea of Asatru monks and possible monastic divisions
>Get somewhat interested and read more
>Says that if this was a thing, we should do away with the practice of celibacy because "das too Christian"
>Says instead we should have degenerate ritual orgies to honor Thor, Frey, and Freyja
>"Also let's have black and red robes because that looks badass :DDD"
>Get pissed and make a wordpress account just to argue with this faggot
>Bring up how Tacitus in Germania describes about how the tribes practiced chastity until marriage, and how sexual deviants were drowned in a bog. And that if we are to uphold the ways of our ancestors, we should do the same.
>Gets flustered and removes my comments and blocks me from his page.
Tell me of your stories of encounters with these fags.
No.1814
Of course they aren't triggered by Loki cutting Sif's hair, I'm sure they're green with envy reading descriptions of how beautiful Sif is.
No.1823
>>1813Did the Gothi bang bitches btw?
No.1824
Can't you just tell them that the anthropomorphic representation of the gods and the giants is a matter of poetic liberty, and that they're projecting modern human attributes like sexuality onto timeless forces of nature and that it's just plain retarded?
No.1882
>>1813I wonder if Gardnerian/Alexandrian wiccans feel the same way about eclectic wiccans.
I mean, initiatory wicca is still a shitfest, but eclectic wicca is faggotry on an entirely different scale
No.2042
>>1813I avoid talking to degenerate fags, except in front of others to communicate that their behavior is not acceptable.
We should absolutely execute all degenerates, once we have a good, solid platform defining degeneracy ratified by our Folk. I would stick to Natural Law, i.e. the laws of nature.
>Faggots are degenerate because they cannot reproduce, much like racemixers, who only produce bastard hybrids.Good on you for standing up for the truth, though! Many of us get sick of it and largely avoid these idiots.
The only time I really get vocal against idiots is promoting Bob Whitaker's Mantra against anti-whites.
No.2059
>>1813>At a outreach center a few years ago because was poor and hungry>With roommate who has a green god necklace on, myself a mjolnir necklace>Some SJW fat bitch with green hair squees over my friend for being Celtic Pagan>Looks at my necklace and asks what it is>Say it is the hammer of thor and I am Asatru>Gives me a dirty look(could tell she wanted to lecture me or some shit) and for the rest of the time she pretends I do not exist. No.2066
>>2059Dumb wiccans think Celtic paganism is some hippie native American religion and Germanic is all about war and Nazis. In truth both religions are kind of a mixture of the two. Celts were headhunters and kept shrunken heads on their horses while Germans worshiped in groves.
No.2067
>Hanging out with my dad
>Hes dating some kike turned Wiccan bitch
>constantly bashes christianity but says judaism is the best culture ever
>my internal conspiracy theory is proven that wiccans are all jews trying to hijack our culture and make it look retarded
>talks about how celtic paganism is so in tune with nature and she feels so connected with the world
>lives in rich neighborhood off lake tahoe
>I have a discussion with my dad about the Goths
>She bursts out laughing and says "I used to be a goth what are you even talking about?"
>Explain to her what the Germanic tribes were
>Says I sound like some Nazi, Germans were never tribal
>Realized this kike is impossible to talk to
No.2088
>>2067You should have smacked her with a history book.
No.2090
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>>2067SJW wiccanism is incredibly retarded and espouses all kinds of social and historical/cultural falsehoods (like the false statement that our ancestors weren't folkish in nature for example) so this really shouldn't come as too big of a surprise
No.2092
>>2088She would cry too much from the equality
>>2090This is exactly why I dont listen to any of their nonsense. You talk to these people and you can tell that they dont study the lore by ANY amount at all and read it off like theyre talking it from a wiki article.
I remember some book written by a wiccan retard saying that maypoles were a celtic pagan invention and that there was once "an ancient Irish potato goddess"
They know nothing of history or the lore, in a perfect world their broken bodies would be offered to the fire to please Wotan
No.2095
>>2092I don't know where you got this from but the old norse didn't incoorporate live burnt sacrifices to the gods, since that's a deeply degenerate and non-european practice.
The only account of actual burnt offerings from that time comes from the jewish desert
No.2099
>>2095I got tired of saying bog/rope
No.2764
I knew a girl once who thought the ancient Vikings believed in total egalitarianism
No.2772
>>2771>more recent scholarship finds that "there is little archeological evidence" of human sacrifice by the Celts, and suggests the likelihood that Greeks and Romans disseminated negative information out of disdain for the barbarians.From the first paragraph of that wiki article.
No.2801
I don't watch the Marvel movies but I always got the impression that Loke really got a raw deal. Freya tried to make Baldr invincible by any material on earth, but neglected Mistletoe. As a result, Baldr survives Ragnarok and is alive for the rebirth of the earth, ensuring there will still be Light in the world. If Loke hadnt killed Baldr, Baldr would likely die along with most of the Aesir at Ragnarok. The rest of the Aesir, in their shortsighted anger, tie Loke up for the rest of his life. Pretty shitty reward for what i think was a good act of foresight and benevolence. When you think about it, just about everything Loke does ends up with a very good consequence. I dont believe he is inherently evil, but maybe he could stand to let the the rest of the Aesir in on the joke.. but then I supposed he wouldnt be the trickster.
No.2804
>>2801Baldur's death is what triggered ragnarok. If he did not die then Ragnarok would not have happened.
No.2805
>taking history of religion and spiritual tradition in my uni
>start talking to a qt for a bit
>I'm really just taking the class to boost my average result
>she says she's interested in paganism
>after talking a little bit about it she seems pretty dedicated, she invites me to come to some meeting. can't remember what they called it
>turns out the meeting was mainly hairy fat women talking about accepting queers and shit
>they started dancing around and shit
>didn't want to stick around and see if the rumours about them stripping off were true so I got the fuck out ASAP
dirty dumb wicca scum
No.2865
>>1813Celibacy isn't just there for shits and giggles in monastic life, it's there so you can devote your whole being to the gods.
Shows how much they know.
No.3450
>>2090I guess that's how we all got White, amirite?
No.3451
>>2805In saner times you could have run them through with a broadsword.
No.3452
>>2042Hel yeah!
>Mein neger! No.3753
I think I've only come into contact with like maybe 2 wiccafags
>be at gay-ass protest or whatever
>some dildo comes up to us and talks about religion or whatever
>shows us her pentagram necklace and says some bullshit about being related to Dracula
>mfw
>eventually leaves with her grandmother or something
On the upside, I did end up scoring a cutie at that protest.
From what I remember she was still a 5/10 at worst so at least she wasn't an acne covered troll. Why are wiccafags so delusional and think they're related to Dracula/Merlin?
No.3787
>>3753What kind of "protests" do you attend where you end up standing right next to degenerate SJW wicca niggers?
No.3794
>>3787It had nothing to do with the "protest". Some random degenerate SJW wicca niggers walked up to us and started talking about religion. Maybe they wanted to tell us about uncle Dracula or something? I dunno man.
No.3857
>>1882Yeah, they do. I was hardcore Gardnerian before I got skeeved out by the whole thing and fell through the other side into Odalism.
No.4221
You guys are all fucking retards except for those who are really based.
Most of you have lots of misconceptions about ancient paganism.
Especially regarding human sacrifice.
No.4227
>>4221Fuck off back to reddit.
No.4232
I've never met anyone in real life who called themselves pagan or wiccan.
No.4237
>>4232Really? That surprises me. Even in the Deep South, I have regularly run into people wearing hammers, or with that weird wiccan shit on their bumper stickers. Where do you live?
No.4268
Behold "Raven Kaldera", the most degenerate fraud in the history of neopaganism.
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/Bow-To-The-Ordeal-Master No.4271
>>2801Loki was never seen as evil until the Christians came, he was a trickster god.
Trickster gods are assholes but not outright evil.
>>2804>If he did not die then Ragnarok would not have happened.You can not stop destiny, the wyrd does what it does?
Ragnarok was inevitable.
>>4268>BogdrowningintensifiesWhy do these "people" feel the need to call themselves pagans when they don't know anything about ancient culture or religion.
No.4272
>>4268>Kaldera is a pretty chill guy. He worships the Norse Gods by sticking his boyfriends fist up his arseAaaaaaaaaaaaaaand done reading
No.4273
>>4272ikr I thought it was satire at first…
No.4279
>>4278There's plenty of independent info about it on the web.
No.4283
>>1813I have a classmate, she describes herself as interested in Wicca but I don't think she calls herself or considers herself an actually Wiccan.
She's quite kept and reserved, enjoys nature and goth stuff. And holds some traditional views regarding family, justice and society.
That's my only encounter with someone slightly Wicca related. However, a friend of mine, both he and his girlfriend are Asatru, she a former Wiccan, keeps posting facebook with LGBT shit.
And he's massive /pol/ so he's got to bite his tongue and redpill her bit by bit.
No.4945
> Date Wiccan girl
> She's weird but dont really care
> Good relationship for about 2 years
> 'Bout week ago, breaks up with me
> Tells me she's homosexual
> wtf
Wicca in a nutshell
No.4946
>>4268
>by sticking his boyfriends fist up his arse
holy shit, my sides
No.5510
>doing Asatru reading
>come across an article "The Difference Between Asatru and Wicca"
>thisgonnabegood.jpg
>get to section on historical accuracy
>"Wiccans are, in general, much more likely to be interested in mythological or emotional rightness (how something feels), where Heathens are more likely to focus on scholarly research (what sources can be documented, and how reliable are they)."
>lel, just like every woman, feelz b4 reelz
>"Wiccans tend to a consensus seeking non-confrontational communication style"
>"Wiccans are more likely to freeze out a newcomer who is not sufficiently polite and deferential"
>everything about being a Wiccafag is tied to being a passive-aggressive bitch-woman
>mfw
No.5513
>>5510
Thats why Liberal Jews tend to gravitate towards Wicca. Defiling our ancestral gods is just a nice side effect
No.5544
These try-hard "anti-racist" wicca faggots remind me a whole fucking lot of those marxist shitheads who go prance around in the neofolk/industrial/metal etc genres shouting "OMG STOP BEING RACIST GUIS IM LEFTIST SO THE WHOLE CULTURE OF THIS SCENE WHICH I PERCEIVE AS PRO-EUROPEAN AND THEREFORE RACIST NEEDS TO CHANGE NOW WAAH WAAH"
>last.fm/group/Neofolk+Against+Racism/forum/38956/_/446773
This is the equivalent of some mentally retarded sperg jumping into a pool of water and then yelling "we must deliquify this pool of water since water is bad because of arbitrary reasons racism bigotry yadda yadda i'm retarded hurrf."
You cannot take the "racism" (aka pro-white attitude) out of folkish norse heathenry and related genres such as Neofolk and Metal.
Putting a banner with pro-white runes together and then writing some anti-white message right next to it denotes you as a first-rate mentally ill schizophrenic - Whether we're talking musical genres or the spiritual movements accompanying them here.
Just stop trying you insane leftist fucks.
No.5555
>>5544
I wonder if they realize that the wunjo rune means joy, specifically joy brought from being around your own tribe and people. The rune is shaped like a banner or weathervane which represents tribal or national identity.
also being neofolk and against folk culture is kinda funny ain't it?
No.5589
No.5593
>>5555
They probably don't, because Wiccatru fags don't do much real research.
ALSO CHECK OUR BOARD'S 1ST FULL QUAD GET
No.5650
>>1813
The point of celibacy isnt right, at least is not an universal rule.
IT ws common to have pre-marrriage sex in Scandinavian society, and in fact unexperienced people, both man and women were not really taken in account for marriage material, since they wont please their SO.
No.5672
>>5650
source motherfucker
Tacitus disagrees with you, degenerate
No.5701
>>5650
a deflowered wife of any culture, including Germanic, was considered shameful. The greatest insults were to rape a noblemans daughter because it took away her status as a virgin and thus relegated her to marry someone of a lower class, as another nobleman would not take her. Even then she would be hard pressed to find a husband
No.5716
>>5650
Were pre-marriage relationships permitted in Scandinavia such as girlfriends and boyfriends?
No.5718
>>5650
>>5650
This isn't celibacy, this is abstinence, there's a huge difference.
I wouldn't even be against celibacy being practiced by Gothar if it meant they could focus more on studies of our lore and giving guidance to our people.
No.6195
>>5510
This is how I view pretty much every religion.
Every religion that was formed recently, be it Scientology, Wicca, or modern Christian ministries are usually either scams, death cults, or hippie shit.
If you're going to follow a religion, it should have a rich historical background. Orthodox or Catholic Christianity, Reconstructionist Paganism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and maybe Islam are all good depending on what part of the world you live in, and your ancestry.
No.6221
>>5716
Viking answer lady claims they were somewhat taboo.
Scandinavian marriages were arranged, often for political or financial reasons. Courting someone was considered an uncouth method for manipulating who wants to marry you. Hell, love songs were considered evil magic.
No.6237
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>>5650
The point of celibacy (and fasting) in religions is to induce an artificial scarcity that influences primordial survival instincts. If we gave into our instincts as those from the Dark continent are prone to do, we'd still be living as savages.
No.6238
>>6237
>If we gave into our *primary instincts
poorly worded, apologies
No.7426
>>6221
So, does this mean 99% of (neo- ?) recon pagans are screwed since many have had girlfriends prior to finding the religion
should newcomers take a vow of abstinence (unlesss they're kissless virgins then it's fine)
No.7427
>>7426
>So, does this mean 99% of (neo- ?) recon pagans are screwed
What? Screwed how?
No.7428
>>7427
>What? Screwed how?
>>6221
>>5650
>relationships (and sex, I presume) forbidden - or at least taboo - until marriage
this would make many of us lawbreakers, having had love interests in childhood/teenage years, unless taboo breaking is allowed to some extent, or am I getting this the wrong way
No.7429
>>6221
>Scandinavian marriages were arranged, often for political or financial reasons.
In all societal classes?
No.7430
>>7428
>this would make many of us lawbreakers, having had love interests in childhood/teenage years, unless taboo breaking is allowed to some extent, or am I getting this the wrong way
…and what will happen? What's the "screwed"? What's the impact?
No.7431
>>7428
>lawbreakers
Today is not Ancient Germanic/Scandinavian society, even if we wish to return its glory.
The World of Tradition is lost. No political ideology of today, not even pagan conservative like the one talked about here, is _traditional_.
We are dealing with fragments here, pieceing things together. The outlook on Marriage, homosexuality and such topics were not passed down intact from the Golden Age to ours.
No.7432
>>7430
the afterlife, betraying the gods
No.7433
>>7432
The gods don't take that sort of micromanaging interest in your sex life, anon.
No.7434
>>7431
>topics were not passed down intact from the Golden Age to ours.
tfw secondary Tacitus is all we've got
No.7436
>>7434
And he was writing about the depravity of the Romans not about the goodness of the Germans. They are used in the context of the "other" just like the amazonians are to the Greeks. I'm sorry dude but the chastity into 20+ part is almost certainly not true. The bog one is though, Romans engaged in long drawn out executions as spectacles so it was likely referenced to point out the gratuity of their violence. The kernel of truth probably lies in that the Germans were chaste until marriage but it happened in their teens like essentially every other society. That is, if there was truth there at all. It doesn't matter really in the end, and if your argument is entirely based upon some interpretation of tacitus you don't have much ground to go on.
No.7656
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No.7658
>>7656
It may be that I just woke up but I have no idea what the fuck she's talking about
No.7665
>>7656
this is why I avoid most women that call themselves pagan. Every single one is a fat liberal who likes cats too much.
never met a good pagan woman, always have to resort to Christians or something
No.7669
>>7665
The term pagan itself is pretty confusing, considering that wicca is not pagan, yet the majority of "pagans" are wicca cucks. Usually the term heathen is pretty safe, although some internet warriors are trying to take over that term too.
No.8179
>Loki is evil
I always had the impression that he was just a dick. All the stories I hear are lighthearted and end with Loki getting comical justice, such as being forced to make a golden wig or getting fucked by a horse.
Rather than being a big evil boogeyman like Satan he seems more like that prankster that takes things too far. Disliked, but not hated. Am I wrong?
Also I know I'm going to trigger people, but were there actually people that worshipped him like that Floki guy in that show, or was that just liberal use of artistic licence?
No.8184
>>4945
homosexual is a term that does not really apply to a certain gender, lesbians are homosexuals, and so are faggots, it just means being attracted to your own gender.
No.8193
>>8184
It's a mental illness and degeneracy
No.8200
>>8179
He isn't Satan, but that doesnt mean he should be worshiped. He has a polite and decent side but for the most part, he is evil. He causes disorder in his tribe and the world in general, and often gets the Aesir into trouble or debts with the other races of Norse cosmology. He often makes up for it by offering gifts, weapons and blessings, but dont mistake this as making him a culture hero like Prometheus. These weapons and gifts were created because now, they were needed, and the theme has more to do with the Germanic concept of weregild or debt. When you harm the tribe as a whole, you must do something to make up for it, something that will benefit the tribe as a whole.
No.8201
>>8200
So are asatruars allowed to ask his assistance when playing pranks?
How are pranks perceived in general? Like are they haram because fuck Loki? Or are they treated the same as in other cultures?
How would a Loki worshipper be treated in an asatru society?
No.8202
>>8201
The first part of your post is one of the dumbest things I think ive read in a while, I dont think pranks are something connected to spirituality a whole lot. Pranks are something for children or for fun. Just because Loki does pranks doesnt mean a small child would be killed for doing a prank, maybe just chastised.
And we dont know because it didnt exist. Nobody worshiped Loki, theres no evidence of it ever existing as a cult at any time period. My guess is they would be thrown into a bog personally.
The closest thing we have to this is Jotun worship, which strangely was only ever given to female Jotun such as Skadi or the original Winterchans, Thorgertha or Irpa. But these Jotunesses seem to have been accepted into the tribe of the Aesir. In general Rokkatru or Jotun worship is taboo.
No.8203
>>8202
>I dont think pranks are something connected to spirituality a whole lot.
But isn't Loki the god of mischief? So pranks would be connected to him. At the very least he'd get a giggle out of helping mortals with their shenanigans.
Let me rephrase: Are asatruars allowed to ask Loki's help ever?
Also, what about Hel? Is she a destructive ass like her dad? Is she a tyrant to those sent to her realm?
>small child would be killed for doing a prank, maybe just chastised.
And a muslim child wouldn't be killed for eating pork, playing guitar, missing prayer or even straight up heresy. But that doesn't mean ragheads are okay with any of that.
No.8204
>>8202
>In general Rokkatru or Jotun worship is taboo.
What would happen to these guys? Bog of shame?
No.8205
>>8203
>Are asatruars allowed to ask Loki's help ever?
as far as we know, no. until we find some previously unknown source that directly attests to Loki worship, Lokeans are full of shit. Lack of evidence is not evidence.
and Hel is a little more dubious, she doesnt seem to be very particularly evil in the myths and may have been venerated or at least respected and given offerings at funerals. But we really dont know enough.
>>8204
and again we dont know because it didnt exist as far as we know, but yeah I would guess bog of shame, or at least exile.
No.8206
No.8210
>>8206
As proof for the possible offerings made to Hel, heres a bracteate that depicts Baldr and another god greething Hel, where she greets them with a ring.