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Hermeticism Hermesfag 03/14/15 (Sat) 01:43:41 No.4222

Anyone here into hermeticism? It was the first form of neo paganism, back in the Renaissance era.
I'm not going to discuss it in great detail here, it has quite a tradition.

I've found that Asatru and Hermeticism work really well together. Hermeticism is more based around magic ritual, and the Gods of Asatru work very well within its framework. (Because hermeticism itself contains a lot of elements from Norse religion)

I reccomend checking it out. It's e basis of freemasonry, Thelema, Wicca, Satanism, and pretty much any belief system containing ritual magic. Asatru as it is understood contains heavy elements of Hermeticism, as does any contemporary western form of occultism.

☻ 03/14/15 (Sat) 02:30:21 No.4226

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Obviously me. When people ask me what my religion is offline I tell them I'm a Hermeticist. None of them ever know what it is and when I try showing people Hermetic texts they say it's way beyond them and declare me to be of extraordinary intelligence.

Hermesfag 03/14/15 (Sat) 03:31:36 No.4233

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>>4226
I usually tell them Hermeticism, too. Then I have to try to explain it.

I haven't found a concise way to describe it in less than a five paragraph essay, lol.

Asatruar 03/14/15 (Sat) 05:34:51 No.4235

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>>4222
I've found it difficult to find pure Hermetic stuff (outside of the Corpus) that isn't heavily influenced by Kabbalah.

raidh0!!gJsaBpcavQ 03/14/15 (Sat) 06:32:38 No.4236

My practice includes some elements that can be compared with hermeticism, but I don't think they are a core part of the Germanic heathen way of life. Traditionally they were the domain of only a small part of heathen society.

As anon notes, the hermetic tradition as a whole is strongly polluted by counter-folkish elements that severely diminish its utility to a restorationist heathen wanting to connect spiritually with his ancestors and their ways of life.

Hermesfag 03/14/15 (Sat) 20:38:21 No.4242

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>>4235
That's a very good point. Kabbalah contains a powerful system of mathematics (for its time) and a powerful symbolic system.
Kabbalah isn't just a Jewish thing. It was Egyptian before that. The Jews stole it from the Pharoah through Moses. (or so the story goes)
The Judiac and Sufist elements of Hermeticism had become euro-fied and christianized before they really became codified.
Hence the difference between Judaic Kabbalah and Hermetic Quabalah. (although I use the two interchangebly)

>>4236
I've found Hermeticism is not for connecting to your ancestors (except an idealized picture of Pagan ancestors) but more for connecting to the universe as a whole. Like the tatagatha-garba of Buddhism, believing that you are a microcosm of a macrocosm connects you spiritually to the entire of the world.
I never got into spiritualism to be closer to my ancestors (who were Celtic Gauls), but rather to accept my place in the universe and feel comfortable in it.

Hermesfag 03/14/15 (Sat) 20:41:46 No.4243

>>4235
>>4242
And another thing: Kabbalah = Kabba Allah = Cube God
The pre-Islamic Arabs practiced Kabbalah until Mohammed deemed it sorcery and starting killing people for it. (great work destroying science, evangelical religion!)

Hermesfag 03/14/15 (Sat) 20:42:06 No.4244

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>>4243
Forgot the pic.

Asatruar 03/16/15 (Mon) 02:04:48 No.4263

>>4222
Hermeticism is a very solid philosophical religion. I consider it a tragedy that it doesn't get nearly the attention that it deserves.

Personally in my practice I tend to lean more to the Kybalion and keep a copy of the Emerald Tablet on my wall.

Something struck me today that I'm going to look into, and that is: "Could there be a correlation or at least similarity in the nordic use of Nine worlds and the Kabbalistic view of the tree as the 9 sephirah?" (really there are 10 but the final one is supposed to be enlightenment and I would argue is not exactly a sephirah at all)

And before you pounce, no I don't give a rat's tit about the jew aspect. In fact I was looking for what could be viewed as road maps for buddhists on the way to their version of enlightenment that I fell in love with the Tree.

Asatruar 03/16/15 (Mon) 02:07:48 No.4264

>>4243
Well that was mostly due to the pre-islamic society being pagan. Considering that the god of Islam was a rather unremarkable moon god that muhammad picked. Allah of the moon and his sister/lover Allat of the Sun.

Shame they don't talk about Allat. Used to be that merchants would swear by her.

Hermesfag 03/16/15 (Mon) 15:06:27 No.4275

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>>4263
I've always seen a relation between the Vedic chakra systems and the Sephira of Quabalah.

>>4264
All three of the Arab pagan godesses were mentioned in the Satanic Verses, which are left out of most Qurans. And mentioning it can get you fatwa'd. Just ask Salman Rushdie. (writer of the Narnia series :p)

Asatruar 03/16/15 (Mon) 15:58:50 No.4276

>>4275
Well certainly there is some correlation there. If you look at Carrol Runyon's imagery in his I think it was the Seventh Ray - Blue novel. he crafts an image of the chakras and the corresponding Sephirah. I've got a copy with me and will try my hand at uploading the image

As far as the Arabs go, we know there were roughly 360 gods that encircled the Kaba (the great black stone in Mecca) and that Muhammad with his mad cult destroyed the idols and replaced the chief of the gods, Hubul who was also a moon god with Al-ilah who then became known as Allah.

The other gods were either forcibly removed from the revised history set down by Muhammad or relegated to lesser roles. For example, Al-lat was relegated to a "Daughter of Allah" along with Al-Uzza and Manat.

Asatruar 03/17/15 (Tue) 04:36:33 No.4286

>all these confused plebs

Hermeticism isn't a religion faggots, nor could it be said that it was a form of paganism. The 'hermeticism' of the Enlightenment and of Crowley was quite a mutated strain that was heavily infused with Jewish magical practices.

Asatruar 03/17/15 (Tue) 10:43:17 No.4291

>>4286
There are much older Hermetic texts available to us.

Hermesfag 03/18/15 (Wed) 01:11:11 No.4296

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>>4286
lol
>this ignorant

Asatruar 03/18/15 (Wed) 05:24:50 No.4299

>>4296
Hermeticism has been my forte for over three decades but you sure disproved me with that highly illuminative post of yours

Asatruar 03/18/15 (Wed) 20:16:31 No.4304

>>4286
It was a religion you moron. It was a derivation of Gnosticism. It was far more philosophical but still kept to something akin Gnosticisms ideas of Godhood. Of course it was largely symbolic and metaphorical, but then what religion isnt? Even a cursory read of the Corpus Hermeticum shows this. The Kybalion as well.
>>4299
And your point? It's a dead religion that helped spawn the rituals of the later Golden Dawn and its shitty break off groups. Considering the source material of its creation it's not hard to understand why there was a correlation with Jewish mysticism.

Asatruar 03/20/15 (Fri) 12:56:03 No.4342

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>>4222

>>>/fringe/

>>4304

Hermeticism does not have a single lineage.

The earliest precursor would be the Theurgy of Iamblichus (Syrian, culturally Greek Neoplatonist). As well as the Greco-Roman Mystery cults.

Greek thought was a significant influence on Jewish mysticism.

Asatruar 03/22/15 (Sun) 15:46:04 No.4374

>>4304
Hermetecism was intended as a philosophy. The Kybalion itself says that one should not make the mistake of assigning extra scriptures to the ideas of Hermetecism, or of deifying THE ALL.

Try and do a little research before you go off insulting people.

Asatruar 03/23/15 (Mon) 20:06:51 No.4398

>>4374
Never said it wasn't intended as a philosophy. If point of fact I tend to prefer it stay as such. I said it was a religion because of the way the texts read and the fact that the people who wrote them obviously intended them to be such.

I also never said it had a direct lineage and quite agree the influences were wide and varied which lead to its creation.

It is true that the Kybalion did say that, which was more to do with its Gnostic roots than anything imo. But that didn't really seem to stop it from becoming a religion, as with time such things do happen.