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 No.4280

"Paganism is the answer! It is the spiritual beliefs of my ancestors, the religion that they practiced before foreign infiltration via Christianity brutally destroyed Asatru and converted my people. It's because of Christianity that they were neutered and enslaved through a 'turn the other cheek' mentality, forcing them to stand idly by while their enemies would come and ravish their lands, just as is happening today. Thor and Odin are strong warrior characters who live by noble virtues that resonate with my own concepts of honor. Surely through paganism we can return to our spiritual roots and once again make Europa great."

Excellent premise! And yet what does this entail in detail? As I've already told you, >>3654 , your religion was killed and butchered. There were no priests or spiritual teachers to guide you in the creation of this movement. All that you have is a romantic understanding of what it would have been. That besides, just how many of you have done an animal sacrifice? What about a human sacrifice? Have any of you killed a man at all?

What kind of pagans are you? How are you interacting with nature as you sit behind your computer screen?

How do you expect to be the solution to our problems? How do you intend to actually return Europa to paganism? What is your plan?

 No.4281

>>4280
I took part in an animal sacrifice. Pig was slaughtered and the feast was dedicated to the gods. And human sacrifices were mostly just executions for criminals and degenerates. There was no difference between a "sacrifice" of a thousand years ago and an "execution" today.

 No.4282

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>>4280
>How are you interacting with nature as you sit behind your computer screen?
Implying that were always behind our computer screens. Personally for me I spend more time outdoors than inside.

>What kind of pagans are you?

If you say is true, that our religion is dead and we are merely romanticizing paganism, how do you have any referrence to how a pagan should act?

>How do you expect to be the solution to our problems?

Vague, be more specific. What problem are you referring too?

>How do you intend to actually return Europa to paganism?

Through organisations such as Foreningen Forn Sed, Odinshof and The Order of Lidskjalf perhaps?

>What is your plan?

Ah yes, our grand scheme of things, to create a Pagan World Order. How? That's going to be our secret.

Why do you assume this one board on a small website to be the spokesperson for Asatru?

Why do you come here, to a board dedicated to the discussion and promotion of Asatru, and then post against it? We have a thread for opposing views. Why keep making such threads, for seemingly no other purpose than to cause annoyance?

 No.4284

>>4280

OP, out of curiosity, and also so that I may possibly better tailor my answer to your understanding, what is your folkway/religion/philosophy/worldview etc.?

I.e. are you a Traditionalist Christian? A Greco-Roman Pagan? A pro Euro Traditionalist Atheist? A proponent of the philosophical teachings of Evola or Heidegger? Etc.

 No.4289

>How are you interacting with nature as you sit behind a computer screen?

I live in Alaska several miles beneath the arctic circle
I hunt almost year round and bless my rifles on my shrine before I got for a hunt

In summertime I grow crops on a small farm and in winter time I stay make fires and wander in the snow when its not below 40

I have 5 dogs and use them on a sled when snow is too thick

I have seen the yearly cycles of the Earth in their most extreme forms, I live in an area thats complete bog and swamp during summer and hellish tundra during winter

>TL;DR eat shit faggot, not everyone lives in a city and practices paganism by showing wands up your ass, like you probably would

 No.4290

>>4289
shoving*

 No.4293

Hi! I see you have an opposing view, that is fine, however, we of /asatru/ ask that you keep it to this thread instead of shitting up the board with multiple threads.

>>324

 No.4294

A lot of people take their own meaning from various pagan sources, and form their own opinion. It's a lot better than blindly following whatever your religious leader says in fear of being branded a heretic or excommunicated.

 No.4295

>>4284
I'm a traditionalist American with a philosophical bent.

 No.4297

>>4295

Thank you for answering OP. Since you identify as a Traditionalist American and judging from this statement you made:

>>your religion was killed and butchered


as well as the general tone of the previous post you made >>3654 , I assume you are operating from a World-Rejecting Revealed Religion paradigm. Forgive me if you are already familiar with this concept, but I'm going to go ahead and reiterate it just in case, for emphasis, and for the possible benefit of others.

World-Rejecting Revealed Religions like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism,Zoroastrianism, etc. all have two defining characteristics that bind them:

1. World Rejecting: Present physical reality is viewed as either evil, flawed, vanity, illusion, or under some other negative connotation. Thus, present physical reality is something to be endured for the sake of a better afterlife (i.e. where the Rapture cult ultimately comes from.)

2. Revealed: The religion is not a natural outgrowth of the people, but is revealed. It comes into existence via a prophet, book, or both.

 No.4298

>>4297

cont'd:

Because I assume you are operating from this paradigm, I also assume that you think (consciously or subconsciously) that a religion absolutely must have a direct lineage from a prophet, book or canon in order to be valid.


In contrast, Heathenry, and other indigenous worldviews like Shinto tend to be World-Accepting Folkways. Their two defining characteristics are:

1. World Accepting: Present physical reality is viewed as neither inherently evil nor good. It simply just is. Reality is something to make the best of, and thus their is also an emphasis on creating a good society for future generations to inherit (i.e. planting seeds for trees whose shade one will never lie in.) The afterlife in these worldviews tend to be de-emphasized or simply a mundane continuation of life on Earth.

"But Valhalla!" I hear you say. Valhalla, as we know it, is the product of syncretism with Christianity ( the details will be left for another time.) The original Pre-Christian Heathen afterlife simply consisted of dying into the local land or mountain, living their with one's ancestral line, and being a guardian influence on one's descendant kin who inhabited said land.

2. Folkway: Folkways do not simply magically appear in a puff of smoke in the form of a book and prophet. They are a completely organic product of the experiences and character of a people. Thus, they are also the product of race, genetics and soul.

The original Heathens did not initially have priests or spiritual teachers to show them the ropes. That process eventually took place in time, but in the very beginning. such teachers simply naturally emerged as they were suited to the role, as is currently happening in our movement now. I personally find it quite telling that Heathenry reemerged in the White nations of the Earth simultaneously via different organizations around the same time in the late 70's.

That is why Traditionalist minded Heathens are not roleplayers, Larpers, or Romanticists. We are not merely miming rituals laid out in a book or following the commands of a prophet. We are following the natural inborn instincts of our race to mine through history and archaeology to relearn who we are.

Since Heathenry is our essence, and not a book, or prophet or canonical lineage, it can never be truly killed. Dulled, buried and suppressed, perhaps, but never truly destroyed.

Though I would like to see Traditionalist Heathenry and Christianity lay aside their differences until Cultural Marxism is defeated, one thing that I particularly find distasteful about Christianity being the dominant worldview of the West is this:

Growing up as a Christian, the mytho-religious figures that I was taught to revere were the likes of Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Samson, etc. Until I began my own investigations, I did not even know that the likes of Arminius, Sigurd, Welland, Egil, etc. even existed. The gods and heroes of the Greco-Romans were not taught to us in school as part of our European heritage, but as external historical curiosities, completely apart from us, to study and examine like a science experiment.

There is something profoundly sick and tragic about being taught to worship Middle-Easterners, instead of the gods and heroes of my own blood and continent.


To answer your other questions:

> That besides, just how many of you have done an animal sacrifice? What about a human sacrifice? Have any of you killed a man at all?


While I have ambitions to do animal sacrifce eventually once I am in a location where this is feasible, even so, as I said earlier, our folkway goes beyond mere rituals. >>4281 covered the human part.

>What kind of pagans are you? How are you interacting with nature as you sit behind your computer screen?


I explore and partake of my outdoor environs as much as possible; enjoying camping in particular.

>How do you expect to be the solution to our problems? How do you intend to actually return Europa to paganism? What is your plan?


I cannot necessarily speak for all Heathens, on this matter, obviously. Nevertheless, I think that it's safe to say that most Heathens are thinking in the long term, and are dedicated to slow, gradual growth and influence. Our revival is only about 40ish years old, give or take, and even the Christians started out as a minor mystery cult that got fed to the lions.

Personally, I do not see a grand violent "Heathen Revolution" in the near or even far future. I think that more than likely, Heathenry will quietly build up it's enclaves in the background.and will become more prominent as Cultural Marxism collapses upon itself (i.e. in a similar manner as the Right in Russia arose from the ashes of Communism, and how the Golden Dawn is currently growing in prominence due to the crisis in Greece.)

 No.4307

>>4280
>How are you interacting with nature as you sit behind your computer screen?
considering that this board is so slow that the most attention it's gotten recently are christard shitposters

 No.4326

>>4280
>How do I interact with nature?

I live at the foot of a large mountain so everyday I go outside I see nature and experience nature.

 No.4957

>>4280

You're trying too hard, OP.


 No.4985

>>4298

> taught to revere were the likes of Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Samson

I can sympathize with that being raised Proddie, have any of you considered reading the Rhineland or Beguine Mystics? Meister Eckhart, Ruysbroeck, Hildegaard von Bingen, Mechthild of Magdeburg, etc.

Spiritual wisdom manifests itself in different forms throughout the ages.


 No.4990

>>4289

You just described the exact life I want to have when I settle down.

How is it out there? cost of living and such?


 No.4991

>>4280

Our religion was never as bound to texts and specific procedures as the Abrahamic ones.

Asatru first and foremost is a philosophy. It is the set of values that we share–honor, loyalty, bravery, self-reliance, and veneration of kin, the ancestors, the gods, and the world around us. As long as you follow those you are in good standing in the faith, regardless of ceremonies or rituals or any of that.

The ceremonies are just an extension of that. Their only purpose is to bring us closer to our communities and nature, and to feel the connection to the ancestors and the gods. It doesn't matter if we do them exactly the way they were done back then, as long as they serve their purpose.

As for sitting behind the computer screen, I can't speak for anyone else but I think you'd be surprised. Just because we enjoy using a computer doesn't mean we have forgotten nature entirely. I am in college studying computer systems for a career, and I still get out in nature far more than the average today–though not nearly as much as I would like. I go out in the woods to camp and fish whenever I am able to–it's not often now, but in the summer and after college I plan to much more.

I can't say anything about fixing Europe's problems, because I am American. Here, though, I like what the faith's doing. We don't try to go out and convert people, we just form communities and practice outdoorsmanship, individuality, and worship of the gods. People who are drawn to that sort of thing come to us, they are the kind of people we want.




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