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 No.4471

Now I am using the term "LARPer" as defined by another anon meaning any reenactment or reconstructionalist societies (even though there is a huge difference).

First I do not see at all why we should try to appeal to the mainstream. Or why we should attract "normies". Did you guys forget how horrible most people are nowadays? Do you really want to attract more degenerates? Do you want the same half assed christians to convert and half ass our religion? At least so called "LARPers" are passionate about what they do. It takes a lot of commitment to be in a reenactment society. Commitment in which are religion needs.

Same goes for Metalheads too. I mean at least most metal bands who sing about vikings or the gods do it in a respectful manner in fact most of these bands are norse and are practically singing about the stories they were raised on. They should be respected for what they are doing. They are doing today what Wagner did before them and what Skalds did thousands of years ago. In fact Skaldic poetry was greatly revered in Norse culture. I think Bragi would approve of these metalbands. And I fail to see how they are harming us by spreading our stories and opening up more people to our "religion".

Our biggest recruitment tools are reenactment/reconstructionalist societies and metal. And yet people are suggesting we alienate those people for whom? The shallow degenerate sluts posting nudes on instagram? Or the backwoods bible thumping older generations which probably never read the bible to begin with but obsess over Christ and his "miracles"?

If you do succeed in alienating the "LARPers" and "Metalheads" then Asatru would probably dwindle so by way more than half. All because you want degenerates and christfags to think you are not nerd.

And people quote Varg here all the time well not only was he a black metal musician but also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY5gjqpnmHM (him dressing up and fighting). Are you going to say that Varg should have no place in Asatru too now because of this? Despite all his contributions to the cause (through his books, videos, and research).

I rather being hanging out with folks in pic related than christfags or modern mainstream society (you know the nigger and celeb obsessed degenerate society).

Tl;DR You think that by appealing to supposed "LARPers" is appealing to the lowest common denominator when in reality appealing to the mainstream is.

 No.4474

>>4471

Indeed. I have always regarded musicians as being aural messengers of values/culture. Metal musicians being "keepers of the faith" albeit in a different way than those trained in classical music. Few people disagree with the authenticity of TÝR or Enslaved for example.

 No.4475

>>4474

Also, LARPing can be used constructively… I personally don't want anything to do with it myself, but the whole reviving old clothing schtick is important so we don't lose our connection to history. Compare with let's say this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QIHSnVxyWo

This differs from standard Viking Age clothing or battle dress, since it's a religious festival. The point I'm trying to make is that clothing which takes us back in time to the "ur-days" serves its purpose.

Again, I'm leaning more towards the odinist-ish way of practicing the religion in whatever clothing you possess (putting more emphasis on jewelry, such as hammers/runic necklaces)

 No.4476

>>4474
>Metal musicians being "keepers of the faith"

But there's also the risk of modernist fluffytru or Black Metal Nihilism getting in the way

 No.4490

I like linen and wool, but I am not going to make a Viking costume out of them. My position is to seek the restoration of Germanic heathenry, not "reconstruction" and certainly not "re-enactment".

 No.4491

I don't think people have a problem with metal necessarily, it's people who join Asatru because "lol so epic and metal XDDD."

There's nothing wrong with metal ballads about the sagas and eddas. In fact I think it's a perfect way to bring the old tales to the modern world. But some idiots don't understand that metal is simply a means to tell these stories, like any form of music I guess. Asatru is not in and of itself, "metal."

Sounded better in my head, but I'm sure you guys get the idea.

 No.4492

>>4490
this.

there's religion and then there's culture. following asatru religion is different from following old norse culture.

people follow the religion because 1. it's the native european religion and 2. it has better values than most current mainstream religions. people follow old norse culture because they're scandiboo faggots.

 No.4494

>>4490
>>4492
I am not saying that you have to be a reenactor or a reconstructionalist to be asatru to each their own but with the shitposting going on recently about "LARPers" I thought I would make this thread.

>Scandiboo

>Comparing white people acting japanese to white people acting like their white ancestors

You must have problems with period dramas too anon.

 No.4495

>>4494
I can guarantee that most people here don't have scandinavian ancestors.

pretending to be Scandinavian when you're not, especially a heavily romanticised version of Scandinavian culture, is being a scandiboo and is just as bad as the weebs.

 No.4496

>>4495
And how would you know all of that? I have viking ancestors so me dressing up as a viking is paying tribute to my ancestors weather or not I am mixed with Irish or German does not negate the fact that I have viking ancestry. In fact the vikings did get around you know. Have you seen the areas they successfully colonized? It is possible for an Englishmen, A Scot, A Spaniard, A frenchman, and an Irishmen to all have ancestry that originated in Scandinavia.

And besides I fail to see how me dressing as a viking and putting on shows for a crowd of people is anyway different than an actor dressing up as a viking and putting on a show for a camera.

 No.4504

>>4495
>I can guarantee that most people here don't have scandinavian ancestors.

Sorry to disappoint, but in my family we've got solid genealogical evidence and genetic analysis. It's confirmed; we've got ancestors from all three major branches of Germanic ethnicity. Oh no!

>pretending to be Scandinavian when you're not, especially a heavily romanticised version of Scandinavian culture, is being a scandiboo and is just as bad as the weebs.


You demonstrate a very severe misunderstanding of the role of Scandinavian sources in modern Germanic heathenry.

Heathens today who assert no Scandinavian ancestry whatsoever still rely on those sources for quite a bit of information. Likewise, people of primarily Scandinavian ancestry also generally take some interest in continental or insular sources. In both cases, this is because, philologically, we can pretty conclusively identify the Scandinavian, Continental, and Insular Germanic cultures as separating from the Proto- or Common Germanic culture fairly recently, at about 2000-3000 years ago, judging by extant runic inscriptions and linguistic analysis.

It turned out that a great deal of mythology, folklore, and so forth was preserved in largely compatible and recognizable forms, even as the main branches of Germanic culture continued to divide as many tribes developed, migrated, unified, and so forth up to the beginning of christianization. We know this from comparative linguistics, from toponym evidence, from runic inscriptions, from the archaeological record, and from accounts by writers outside Germanic culture (like Tacitus and Ibn Fadlan).

Germanic peoples had unique local customs that varied from place to place, and from one large region to the next. But there were unifying currents in all of them that point backward to the Common Germanic period. And we can derive all that before we even get to the stuff that people wrote down in Latin script, that gets so much more attention – mainly because it records our mythology and pantheon in greater detail. The point is that this is a project that draws on a lot of work by a lot of people in several disciplines spanning across the whole of Europe and looking at about a 2,000-year period of history.

So, really, the thing is that if you're seeing this as a movement that is myopically obsessed with Scandinavian maritime culture in the late first millennium AD, and you wonder why people don't react the way you expect when you point that out, it's largely because you have a really warped and distorted idea of what is actually going on among Germanic heathens today. You say to us "if the shoe fits, wear it", as you hand us a fragment of brass buckle. Which I guess is a part of one kind of shoe….

 No.4508

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>>4504
>>4504
>but in my family we've got solid genealogical evidence and genetic analysis
>I have viking ancestors so me dressing up as a viking is paying tribute to my ancestors weather or not I am mixed with Irish or German does not negate the fact that I have viking ancestry
man if you two represent the typical modern heathen I'm glad I've never been to one of your play dates

>if you're seeing this as a movement that is myopically obsessed with Scandinavian maritime culture in the late first millennium AD

the guy above you just said he had "viking " ancestry.
>durr why do people think we larp as viking when we keep larping as vikings

 No.4509

>>4508

Oh my, can you not read so well? I don't dress up in historical costumes.

 No.4510

>>4508
I do have viking ancestry my family orignate from a place in Ireland that were settle by vikings and their name evolved from that same group of vikings. My Scottish ancestors fought in the battle of Hastings under William the conqueror and were originally Norman before migrating to Scotland. I am also German which were descended from the Germanic tribes who worshiped the same gods as Norse heathens. I do not know what your problem is pal. You seem to be upset that no one is LARPing with you as a Christfag who thinks his opinion is valid or wanted.

Also as many people said it is easier to get into Scandinavian heathen culture because it is better preserved and occurred more recently than any other germanic tribe.

And if you want to alienate whites from the US you are committing racial suicide 86% of 350 million americans are white.

 No.4513

mfw neopaganism is now confirmed for being 100 percent a larper religion, top fucking kek

 No.4515

>>4490

>not "reconstruction"


If you are against trying to make a perfect museum replica of Middle Ages Northern Europe, I'm right there with you.

However, if you are against Reconstructionism, as it's known in the Heathen community, you need to read this post: >>>4514

 No.4516

>>4515

My apologies, accidentally put one extra arrow too many:

>>4514

 No.4517

>>4515

I think I've made it clear that my position is that reconstruction is an insufficient goal. The goal is a working carpentry practice, and reconstruction is just some hammers and saws.

 No.4518

>>4517

That makes no sense. Reconstruction is hammers and saws… for the purpose of rebuilding the working carpentry practice in the first place. How can we revive Heathenry if we don't understand the underlying worldview? Without understanding the worldview, the criticisms of us being glorified LARPers playing dress up will be accurate. Did you even read the post I linked to?

 No.4523

>>4518

I made a relatively long post earlier talking about the value of the work people have been doing with reconstruction, I used the word "insufficient" to very carefully zero in on the idea that it is "not enough by itself", and used a metaphor illustrating that it was important, but a tool rather than the desired product itself. I really feel like it's not possible for me to make myself any clearer than I have and that there is no sensible explanation for your reaction.

 No.4524

>>4513
And Christianity aint? You are LARPing at being Jews.

 No.4526

>>4523

Fair enough, after reading both posts again, I clearly misread you, and know now that we are on the same page. My apologies.

 No.4534

>>4524
>everything I disagree with is jewish
great argument

 No.4538

>>4534

I simply refuse to believe that you are truly as unintelligent as your posts indicate. Now, what did he say? Go back and read it again.



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