/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>4959

I think the best way to do this is to build communities for ourselves. Of course there are the /out/ isolationist types among us but it would be much easier to have ceremonies and such separate from the degenerate crumbling west.

>>4959

The thing that sets us apart from other religions is that we're selective. How selective varies from community to community, but basically, we only want the type of people who are naturally attracted to us.

What I think would be best for our growth would be to simply have communities, ceremonies, and generally live life in independent, natural ways, and act according to our values–train with weapons, learn survival and independence skills, prepper stuff basically, and just be open that we are Asatru. People who are attracted to these activities will be attracted to the faith, and those are the kinds of people we want.

>>4961

to add to that: If we actively try to convert people like the other religions do–like OP seemed to be suggesting–we will attract the kinds of people we don't want, just random jerkoffs with no balls who just want muh christfag style community.

We do need to reform the Germanic faith, and improve our moral authority.

People are forming kindreds. This is a good start for organization. We don't need to have a single authority group that controls everybody. Small localized groups like kindreds are better because they are smaller and people within them know and trust each other more.

I agree. Sort of.

What is needed most is not the organization itself, but the ways to organize Giving people the tools could work better than doing it completely for them. A nice website that is split into many local sub sites would be nice. We're very fractured, so the used platform should represent this. Obviously not only believe wise, also location and language wise, so people can find each other.

Tbh, I think a website like reddit could work for that that. Forums are ugly as hell and image boards are definitely not for everyone. Not the actual reddit obviously, but a sort of Heathen reddit. The code is open source afaik.

You say pic is unrelated but as a matter of fact it is. The romans actually DID organize, half of the Catholic structure is based off the romans. Its called Roman Catholic for a reason

>>4975

I like that.

I think what we need are some definite instructions to spread for how to do the basic ceremonies and such. There is really no solid info out there yet.

We should research through the old texts, find out as best as they could how they did things back then, and make guidelines on:

>how to build an altar

>how to perform ceremonies like the blot

>calendar dates of Asatru holidays

>what gods are worshipped for what events or worries in everyday life, as it applies today

>asatru symbols, what they mean, how to wear them

>and of course, how to brew mead

I have wanted to build an altar or perform simple ceremonies before, but I don't even know where to start, no one seems to know how they did it back then. If we put up one big, simple guide on how to do all of that, I'm sure people would practice more openly.

>>4988

Seconded, friend

Not all Pagan religions believe the same thing either. I identify as a pagan but not a particular religion because I'm honestly not sure what I fall under. I revere all gods but have no patron gods myself. You seem to be suggesting missions and a hierarchal grand community but a thing about a lot of pagans is that we believe or interpret texts, messages from the universe, and even the gods themselves differently.

>>5035

The idea works more for Asatru specifically, because it does have a more clear set of gods, moral codes, and ceremonies.

>>5037

Ah, I didn't know that. I draw my beliefs independently and I know they fall in line with a number of religions but I've never studied Asatru in particular. I only have a basic idea with basic knowledge.

>>4988

I have an idea

Why dont we group all of the most important and sacred texts in Asatru together into one book?

The core body of it would be the Eddas (our mythical history) the Heimskringla and other works on Germanic history in general and collections of other, more obscure sources.

I will probably be reviled for saying this, but there is one very important reason the Semitic religions have outdone others in terms of spreading their faiths….BOOKS. They are called people of the book for a reason. If we can assemble the history, myths, lore and worldview of the germanic people in a way the Christians have into the Bible or the Jews into the Torah, we would have a firm ground to place our religion upon.

I know that we do not have sacred texts and I am not proposing we make an "Asatru Bible", I am merely saying that we should have 1 single, long book full of spiritual wisdom and history from the Germanic tribes

>>5040

I support this. Perhaps we could eventually publish such a compilation.

>>5045

I made a list of some texts that should be used

Heimskringla

Prose Edda (needs editing)

Poetic Edda

Song of the Sun (needs editing)

Jomviking Saga

Parts of the Nibelungenleid

Select quotes from Tactitus Germania

Niflung Saga

Select stories from the Brothers Grimm, can be edited to have more Heathen tone

Collection of folk songs and war chants

The Berg Dwellers Song

The Dream of the Rood (should be edited to have heathen imagery)

Pow-Wow medicine [not Indjun pow-wow, I mean the stuff used by amish] (needs to be edited for heathen use)

The Rune Poems (Anglo saxon, Icelandic and Nordic)

Collections of prayers and chants

Rules regarding shrines

Volsung Saga

>>5047

if someone made a bible of stories and things like you described with great classic art, it would be awesome

This does need to become a reality though, if our faith is harder than your average research assignment to find all the sources for, then that's a real problem. We need to make sure that the all the right information is in it so that no wiccatru, or universalist bastards hijack the name of our faith. The people who see something wrong with having a book of our faith without having read it first are stupid. Anyway the real trouble will be with the information that is not directly from sources, obviously it would have to be there to explain historical context and other information which you can't get directly out of sources. In this area the information could be all over the place depending on the individual author, unless you got a few people together with different views and added multiple view points, which might kind of detract from the point of an organized book anyway. But i do think we should put together a team, i would be willing as i think my perspective is unique and i did do four years of History classes, so that's useful. If we are serious about this we should use skype or another voice program to talk about it.

>>5068

Poster of the original idea here, I can share my skype. I am serious about creating this thing. I dont even want to make profits off of it, if anything we should just make it a PDF at first and then maybe move to making cheap copies to distribute.

I'm young but ive been studying Germanic lore and history since 10th grade, I know a good enough amount

>>5063

also, I like the art idea. If we get a drawfag with alot of talent we could make someone better than anything the desert cults have as a tome.

If anyone can find a good artist who will work for free then that would be great, although we could pay for one (we all pay a little bit) then later on sell it cheap and get our money back from the sales as long as the artist isn't really expensive. But if it ends up turning out quite well then people might want hard copies, but i think that stage is a long way off.

>>5073

>>5074

should we make a separate thread for this? it can be a general dump for all norse sources and we'll decide which ones are necessary and which ones arent

im willing to begin work on it ASAP

Actually there is already something which is said to be like a holy book for asatru.

http://www.amazon.com/The-%C3%81satr%C3%BA-Edda-Sacred-North/dp/1440131783

I might want to read this before we see what we can do.

>>5076

Looking at the negative reviews of that book it seems like it has many problems, I'm not going to bother buying it. Lets make another thread for this.

The original poster should make the new thread and call it The book Of Asatru, or something.

>>5076

>>5079

im working on writing the new thread now, should be up in a few minutes

>>5079

Thread is up