/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

Have you not seen the varg video about Seidr and galdr?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoeBRyz2760

>>5500

>Wikipedia seems to think it was sex magic of some kind, but I've haven't found a hard and fast rule on what it is.

that's because no one really knows. however, as a "recreational pharmacology" enthusiast, there's a few things I can guess about seidhr based on the sagas and archeology.

what we know about seidhr and seidhkonar:

>while practicing seidhr, the seidhkona sits in a ritual chair and has visions while "seething"

>seidhkonar carry a distaff

>seidkonar have been found in burial sites with pouches full of henbane seeds.

taking these things into consideration, it is my opinion that seidhr was basically taking henbane, having a deliriant trip and then telling people about it.

henbane is a deliriant, and like most deliriants, its an anticholingeric. anticholingerics, apart from causing realistic hallucinations that can't be distinguished from reality, also cause

>twitching/uncontrolled movement

>inability to contract skeletal muscles effectively

these two explain the seidhkona's chair – when she's "traveling the nine worlds" high on henbane, that crazy bitch isn't going to be capable of walking.

as side effects/after effects, henbane also causes

>erectile dysfunction

>weakened skeletal muscles for several days due to depleted acetylcholine

>about 3 days of poor eyesight

here your "bingo" for why its unmanly – anticholingerics make one incapable of being a man.

on the distaff:

deliriants often make fuzzy surfaces interesting. the fuzzy head of the distaff could be used for enhancing hallucinations/scrying.

additionally, it is reported that medieval "witches" employed henbane by applying it as a salve to broom handles and inserting it vaginally. this would enhance the bioavailability of the henbane, and if seidhkonar were administering henbane by applying it to their distaffs and shoving it up their hoo-has, it could well be that there's a very good reason its seen as an unmanly practice. shoving a stick covered in drugs up your ass isn't the most manly thing on earth…

>The question I have is this: is the stuff that /fringe/ does considered seiðr?

no. /fringe/ is practicing new age retakes on hermeticism, which is ceremonial magic. seidhr is closer to what some bone-nosed shaman does.

they are unalike in form, function and general theory. as a matter of fact, /fringe/ would thumb its nose on seidh as it appears through archaeology, as /fringe/ faggots think entheogens are a "crutch".

>>5502

Never heard this take on seidhr, interesting post anon

>>5503

>Never heard this take on seidhr

Well, most people who try to "play magic" tend to draw from ceremonial magic sources like hermeticism (the ultimate origin of crowley's magic, and by extension, wiccan and chaos magic).

The people who like to "play asatru" tend to be social conservatives, so they often don't like to be associated with argr shit like drug use.

when you combine these, "the asatruar who plays magic" will tend to not see the obvious entheogen use that's staring him in the face due to his social inclinations ("no true ancestor of mine would be a degenerate like that"), and will try to shove Mediterranean ceremonial magics into a place where they don't exist in order to compensate.

However, since there's no documentary evidence of "ceremonial seidhr", we act like it's a "lost" tradition, when in reality, we have the archaeology that tells us what tools a seidhkona used, we have sagaic depictions of seidhkonar at work, but the community on the whole has a lack of people experienced in unmanly undertakings, so we miss what's right in front of us and consider it "lost".

>>5504

I dont understand the general aversion to natural drugs on /pol/ and Asatru. its been proven that ancient Europeans used many of them, including mushrooms, marijuana and of course alcohol. But I guess one faggot rasta kid is enough to ruin a perfectly fine afternoon hobby

Psychedelic drugs however like mushrooms and the one you described are beyond drugs. They are not something one does for fun with his stoner friends. Its not something for the weak-minded. Ive tripped FUCKING BALLS out on mushrooms and it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I saw eyes of all colors swirling around in swastika patterns, and each of the eyes had black suns in the pupils.

Then I hit into the bad trip and ran around screaming about flaying myself alive with a knife

I got into a lot of self reflection and realized I'm usually a lazy fucking loser and I needed to improve myself, and I did

Psychedelics are something to burn out the impurity of the soul, not to be disrespected or treated lightly

>>5505

>They are not something one does for fun with his stoner friends

Concerning the drugs our ancestors had access to (henbane, amanita muscaria mushrooms, belladonna, etc): hell fucking no.

Modern druggies do these expecting "lol imma trip balls" and then end up feeling like they're being eaten alive by insects, or suffering from the very real toxic effects these substances have on the body. If one were to peek at erowid and look for "datura", "amanitas" or "diphenhydramine" (another anticholingeric deliriant like henbane, but synthetic) user experiences, the common druggie, even those who love their LSD and psilocybin mushrooms, absolutely hate drugs that have similar effects to henbane.

>I dont understand the general aversion to natural drugs on /pol/ and Asatru.

Drug use really does make one argr (more in the "unmanly" sense than the "gay" sense) if you're doing it often, even if you're not shoving minced plant paste up your ass with a wooden dildo.

For example, the other day, I took a delirium inducing dose of diphenhydramine to study the effects of nicotine as a potential antidote for mAchR antagonists.

Through the entire trip, I was defenseless should my home have been invaded. I was a potential threat to my family should I have tripped too hard and got ahold of a weapon. For the ensuing days, I was in a mental fog, and my muscles responded so poorly that I'd be certain to lose any fights if I had to defend myself. I experienced ED until my system re-regulated it's Ach levels….

The entire experience with drugs similar to a seidh-woman's is unmanly, so I can see the reason for aversion. One literally becomes unmanned for several days, unable to function sexually or societally in a man's role.

As for classical psychedelics like psilocybin and LSD: one must bear in mind that most of the propaganda and even the good research data written on the subject is by leftists, communist plants, and other subversive elements; and while one is in the soft-minded state it leaves you in, one is very impressionable to brainwashing.

Although I definitely think classical psychedelics are useful, one often ends up adopting pacifistic and submissive tendencies after using them due to the left-leaning nature of psychedelic "culture".

>>5506

>Modern druggies do these expecting "lol imma trip balls" and then end up feeling like they're being eaten alive by insects

to unlock the wisdom of the runes you must hang on the tree. to gain the secrets of gilgamesh you must submerge the lake and prick the hand.

to unlock the deepest of secrets one must undergo terrible suffering

and I agree with the argr comment but I believe it has to do with the person as well. the Scythians burned weed in their temples and then went and slaughtered Romans with falxes. Obviously not all weed-smokers are degenerate stoners.

I do understand the "making you an incompetent buffoon" part though. On mushrooms I was pretty much disabled even though I was in ecstasy and seeing visions I couldnt imagine. I was literally rolling around on the ground, trying to do handstands and slamming my head into the ground.

Psychedelic culture (along with stoner culture or any other culture based on drugs) is absolute trash. Thats why we need Psychedelic Nationalism

I've seen things that would make a hippie shit his pants and I thought it was beautiful

I can assure you the gods are real

>>5506

I agree in that it should not be used all the time. I will add though that for ceremonial purposes or rituals it is practically acceptable. As I stated previous times before I always wanted to go up to the mountains and camp out for a weekend while taking mushrooms. I will have a friend with me of course just in case (he will be my defense when I am defenseless). I do not see seidr or taking drugs as necessarily gay it can be unmanly yes. But in order to fully obtained wisdom and discover yourself some sacrifices must be made (hence why Odin practice seidr and hung on that windswept tree).

Just as long as you are not taking it up the ass though.

>>5507

>>5508

just to clarify: when you guys say "mushrooms", what kind are you talking about?

psilocybin mushrooms (common psychedelic "shrooms") or amanita muscaria (red and white toadstools that have a completely different effect and are native to europe, unlike psilocybin shrooms)?

if you're talking about psilocybin mushrooms, bear in mind that the drugs I was mentioning in reference to seidhr are VERY different in effect.

>>5511

I was talking about psilocybin mushrooms, but i almost tried amanita last year when i was in alaska. I found several growing in my backyard, researched what they were and how to prepare them and spent a long time considering it, but i had just gone through surgery and was puking up every hour as it was. I didnt want to complicate things further

Still want to try them but the time wasnt right.