No.5619
Is it possible for Universalists to be considered "Not true Asatruars"?
Obviously that sounds like a shitty feminist "Not real feminist" argument, but could it hold fast in this case?
An argument can be made that the best way to judge "True Asatruar-ness" is to observe how closely a heathen follows the Nine Noble Virtues. And in aggregate, I have no reason to believe that Universalists follow the Virtues less closely than Folkish worshippers. On the other hand, supporting the dilution of our religion by allowing niggers and spics to worship our gods could be imo is such a blatant bastardization that they have strayed too far.
Of course the counterargument is "who decides who is and isn't a true Asatruar?"
Do you believe that they are just misguided, retards, or absolute heretics? Or perhaps you have an entirely different opinion.
Discuss.
Also holy fuck enough with the cross-board advertisements. Fuck off Abrahamics!
No.5625
i dont think following them should really be the defining point. christians dont follow the vast majority of the bible most of the time (pretty understandable given the uncountable number of sins in there) and yet they are still considered christian. however, making an effort to live a good life should be a good defining point.
No.5630
Universalist are heretics
No.5631
>>5619
Personally, I'm not a fan of the Nine Noble Virtues, or other derivatives due to them being a blatant reaction to the Judeo-Christian Ten Commandments (i.e. just because they have something like this, doesn't mean Heathenry needs one as well in order to be "complete."), as well as some virtues being questionable representations of the Heathen worldview.
Regardless, a folkish sense of unity is absolutely essential to the core of Heathenry. On that basis alone, Universalists are just plain wrong, period.
As for this aspect:
>Do you believe that they are just misguided, retards, or absolute heretics?
A Universalist is nine times out of ten, a Liberal, and I think Liberals in general fit into four basic categories:
1. Naive idealists who have yet to be mugged by reality.
2. Conservatives who vote Democrat due to feeling burned by the Republican party in some way.
3. Full blown psychopathic r-type rabbits with malfunctioning amygdalas who should not even be considered fully human.
4. Non-pyschopathic r-type rabbits who are questionable individuals at best, and outright threats to civilization at worst.
No.5632
This is kind of a silly argument. If you're offering to the gods, the wights, and your ancestors, and if you're studying and following the lore, and if you're coming together with fellow heathens then you're a "true" Asatruar in the only sensibly objective reading of the word.
But we don't come together into huge national and international organizations. We form small groups of like-minded men. So, some hypothetical Somali transsexual Lokean piece of shit might well do all of that, and then would be a "true Asatruar", but that's not the right question. The question is simply "do you belong among my kin?" And the answer to that is easy and obvious.
For them, it won't stick in the long run. They won't find what they are looking for here. Our folk will.
No.5661
I have trouble having sympathy for dickheads, so I'll say that they are actively subverting an ancient religion with modern ideals. That is heresy and people would be murdered for less.
No.5709
>That disgusting hippie racemixer nose piercing
Get that degenerate in the bog
No.5710
>>5632
>Based Mcnallen
He lives in the same state as me, I wonder if I should go meet him
No.5851
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>5631
Here's based Latsbrah BTFO'ing a fat neckbeard Wiccatru
No.5852
>>5851
That latsbrah guy is annoying. The way he acts so vain and up himself. Why does he have to do all his videos with his shirt off as well, the only people that like that would be women and gays. Some comments i agree with "This guy is such a fag" "I bet you masturbate to your own videos". Hes probably more muscly than any of his ancestors because he spends a lot of time every day doing physical work for the sake of it. I claim to be a pagan and don't lift so I'm not pagan according to him. Where does it say that all men have to pay for gym memberships and that i can't just jog and do push ups.
No.5853
>>5852
You are just needlessly splitting hairs. 'Lifting' is taking care of your physical self in contrast to that fat neckbeard he is responding to.
No.5855
>>5851
This dude does not know shit. Acting as it is a central tenet in asatru to lift. In the havamal it briefly mentions that it is not wise to stuff your face all the time. Odin does not say shit about "Lolz do squats brah". It is fine if you lift but it is not mandatory. Fuck his ancestors thousands of years ago had a shit diet which was not ideal for gainz. And the only reason they "lifted" was because they had to IE cutting down trees and carrying them over certain distances, farmwork, etc.
No.5859
>>5851
>>5852
>>5853
>>5855
He seems to be completely unarmed, and doing nothing to remedy that. Allfather is disappoint.
No.5861
>>5855
>Arminius prepares for war, knowing that he may likely die
>He has gathered the tribes together, an impossible feat never done before
>He sits in deep meditation in the forests in the dark
>Approaching the shrines of his fathers, seeing the statues and idols that he hadn't seen since he was a young boy, he makes his offering
>"Allfather Wotan, take my offering, and show me the way to win this battle"
>He consumes the ancient herbs and drinks of his forefathers and journeys into the spirit world
>In a splur of colors and spirals, he approaches Hildskalf, the silver throne of Wotan and asks him how he may win his favor for war
>The High One's voice thunders through the Heavens, rustling through the trees like the whispers of the long dead
>With ancient wisdom he says
Lel just do squats brah
No.5862
>>5861
10/10 fucking kek'd
No.5865
>>5861
>>5862
Behold, I have added a supplement to my post
No.5866
>>5853
This.
>>5852
I don't want to be a cunt but if you "just jog and do push ups" then you are likely in very unimpressive physical condition.
Latsbrah carries a little too much dramatic flair in the way he presents himself and he focusses too much on aesthetics rather than performance to my mind, but his heart is in the right place. I like him, I think he's a decent guy.
No.5867
>>5852
You are being a cunt, at least I'm exercising, from a quick Google search 80 percent of American adults don't get recommended exercise. I dunno why you have such high standards that Jogging and Doing push ups for half an hour every day isn't good enough. I want to be healthy not look like a male model. Maybe if i was insecure about an ugly face or something i might compensate by making my body really muscly. Even if i wanted to look like that, it would cost a lot of time and money.
No.5869
>>5866
Getting fit and in shape is good and noble goal. However dedicating a huge chunk of you life to achieve and maintain an aesthetic for vain reasons is fucking degeneracy. It contributes nothing to the folk or community. In fact the people who do engage in such things usually look down on their folk and community.
Yeah I am sure his ancestors are looking down on him and smiling knowing he is a complete self-center egotist who talks shit about anyone and everyone for not having the time to waste going to the gym.
No.5870
>>5869
I do think his vanity is over the top, but surely you must be aware that his ancestors are known for their own vanity.
No.5871
>>5870
They bleached their hair to get that Aryan yellow color
No.5875
>>5870
Grooming yourself and bathing on a weekly basis is just good common sense and not vanity. I doubt vikings walked around without their tunics on showing off their washboard abs (highly unlikely they had them) while refusing to do any manual labor because it might ruin their "gainz".
No.5881
>>5865
>>5875
The Vikings groomed themselves, pretty frequently and more than the Romans actually. They have found earspoons, shears, tweezers, all sorts of things that the Nordic people used as cleaning materials.
No.5886
>>5619
>Is it possible for Universalists to be considered "Not true Asatruars"?
They are that. They are race traitors.
No.5888
>>5881
>Cut their hair
>Comb their hair
>Clean their ears
>Bathe
>Are vain
If that is the definition of vanity then everyone in modern society is.
As I said having good hygiene is not vanity. Not to mention Ibn Fadhlan once described the Kievan Rus as dirty and gross as fuck because comparatively they were to Middle Easterners. Does that mean all Arabs at that time were vain? Because they were cleanlier than them?
No.5892
>>5855
>Acting as it is a central tenet in asatru to lift.
Technically you're right. It's a central tenet in BEING A MAN to lift. I have a feeling you're a fat fuck/skeleton who is making excuses for being one.
No.5894
>>5892
He's an obese untermensch mongoloid.
pic related is the ideal bodily form that Western man should strive towards
No.5895
I remember that picture he posted, it was pretty atrocious. I'm an average body type though, nothing like that. Anyway the Ideal man that you showed there is mostly skinny and has small but visible muscles. That body type is preferable than the one latsbrah has that looks ridiculous and takes shitloads of maintenance. But anyway the change in diet and costs of gym membership and transportation is a lot of money that i don't have. I would also need a better motive than just the change in physical appearance, in order to justify doing mundane physical work past what keeps you decently healthy.
No.5899
>>5892
>>5894
>A man to lift
>Implying most of lifters do not take steroids
Have you ever been to /fit/? All they ever do is talk shit about supposed "natty" people saying that they are full of shit.
I am pretty sure a real man does not take shortcuts and Latsbrah probably is roiding.
>Obese
Ok dude and you can tell this by my face and upper body? Have you ever seen strongmen? They have chubby faces idiot.
I actually have a gym membership which I pay 50 a month for. I do fucking lift. Also I am 6'2 and you call me an untermensch? When you are probably a fucking manlet who needs to work out to compensate. But I rather have some fat (I used the word "SOME) then be a total poser faggot pretending an anonymous imageboard that I look like Arnold when in reality you are probably 5'5 100 lbs soaking wet acne ridden faggot.
I also love how you posted pictures of Roman/Greek statues.
>Less than 15% asian
>Is mongoloid
I bet if you looked in your family history you would probably realize you are part nigger. Seems as such from the amount of shitposting you are doing.
No.5902
>>5899
wait I thought that urban_viking was the honuraree areeyan, or am I misremembering
No.5904
>>5902
There is no such thing as "pure aryan" most of Europe are fucking mixed. This sort of /pol/-tier intelligence is what is ruining this board and asatru as a whole.
Not advocating for further race-mixing though but the fact fucking still remains.
No.5905
>>5899
Generalizations and poor grasping at straws.
>I actually have a gym membership which I pay 50 a month for. I do fucking lift. Also I am 6'2 and you call me an untermensch?
Well what are you whining for, then? Is it because you apparently are racemixed and not fully European that you are so frustrated?
>>5904
Some are mixed with other Europeans (there are subraces to the European race). Who exactly is pushing that "pure Aryan" agenda you are using to give value to your worthless argument? That's right, its your imagination.
The vast majority of Europeans are purely of their own subrace (Nordic, Germanic, Slavic, etc.), you are simply trying to undermine that fact.
No.5906
>>5905
Have you ever heard of Indo-Europeans or Proto Indo-Europeans? Slavs have asiantic ancestry so do Finns. Russians are mixed with Middle Easterners so are Italians, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. Are you saying they are not pure European? What the fuck is a European then? What are the defining Characteristics? Culture or Race? Or just the fact that you live in Europe? Explain to me what an "Aryan" is? And then tell me with a 100% certainty that you have only white lineage.
You act like the vikings never tapped any Sami pussy. Fuck even in Iceland they determined a certain percentage of them had some Native American DNA in them traced back through a maternal root.
Also if you say "Blond hair blue eyes" hate to tell you that there is a certain black tribe with Blond hair.
>Muh Blond Hair Muh Purity
Fuck off nigger
No.5907
>>5902
I am not the fat half-breed who posted pics.
Don't use the word Aryan, do you want nationalism to fix our countries or are you just trying to be edgy and act like a Nazi, which wont get us anywhere. Since Nazi's are like the new Satan. Aryan is a stupid word it comes from an Iranian Tribe and outdated/confused info.
The vast majority of Europeans are 100% European, except for on the borders of white territory you might get 95% european. Slavs don't have Asian ancestry, nor russians middle eastern. French are not mixed with middle-easterners either. Since about half the shit you said was wrong i wonder what your motive is. Are you trying to justify race mixing? People that attach themselves to silly Nazi Ideas of whiteness are twats, but you are talking shit.
No.5908
>>5907
Nice you bandwagoning faggot. Because some anonymous faggots talk shit about me you have to join in the fray like a weak-willed bitch. I am not a half-breed. Half-breed signifies I am half japanese when I am not you fucking idiot. I at least had the guts to post a pic of my self unlike you fags who probably are ugly as sin.
I dare all you fags to post pics of yourselves til then STFU. My ancestors are smiling down upon me I make my own mead and read constantly about asatru and have so for 10 years. I am not a bandwagoning faggot who thinks that asatru is /fit/ or /pol/ incarnate.
Llatsbrah is a bodybuilder nor a strength training he cares more about aesthetics than strength which is something I do not respect. I fucking have gone to Celtic Festivals and Renn Faires where they also hosted Strongman Competitions and each year I have several people asking me if I am participating in the Strongman competitions. I had people ask for pictures with me. My co-workers even think I can participate. Everyday I get comments how I look like a viking and shit. What compliments do you get? Huh? Has anyone ever said you looked like a viking? Or confused you for a strongman? Nope!
Pic related is the dude who plays "The Mountain" if you just saw a pic of his face you would think he is fat as shit but he isnt. I posted a pic of my face and you saw I am obese ok. Confirmed for knowing shit all about lifting aside from bodybuilding faggots who care more about looking cut than about building strength (you know something that is actually practical).
No.5910
>>5907
Ok Urban_Cucking. That is probably your codeword for saying you are a nigger (urban) who thinks he is a viking. I grew up in the suburbs like all white people do. Good luck being "Urban" with all the rest of the niggers. You fucking cuck.
No.5911
>>5907
Jean Reno a french actor clearly no Moorish ancestry in him eh
No.5916
>>5869
I think he would be better if he toned down the way he refers to himself, but I think everyone who watches his stuff understands he's intentionally playing a role to some extent. I don't think he is that self-centred, really - he strives to help people improve their confidence and fitness and he espouses the virtue of national and ethnic pride. I don't think the way he presents himself is perfect he should wear a fucking top in his vids and I think that focussing your training on aesthetics is less admirable than focussing it on strength of other aspects of performance, but I think that he's a good person doing good things.
To people saying that the "ideal physique" is barely more muscular than the average man, you're ignoring several Greek statues portraying physiques beyond what many people could achieve without drugs. You're ignoring many claims of feats of strength in the ancient world that could only have been done by a very solidly built person (these feats may be exaggerated, sure, but that just tells you that being strong was an admirable quality worth exaggerating a story about). And if you want to say "our ancestors didn't have gyms, they just did farm work", then consider that our ancestors didn't have rifles, either. Go ahead, march to war with a spear - we know more efficient ways to develop athleticism than our ancestors did, they're not smiling down at you for walking around carrying milk jugs instead of grabbing a bar and doing some deadlifts. I'm sure they'd think it good that you're doing some exercise either way, and I myself would agree that it's good to get doing something physical either way, but if you have access to a decent gym then get there and do some strength training and do some hill sprints. You'll enjoy it, and you'll be fitter and healthier
No.5923
>>5907
>Aryan is a stupid word
Okay, mongoloid. You clearly don't understand its meaning.
>it comes from an Iranian Tribe and outdated/confused info.
False. The only thing confused here is you.
>People that attach themselves to silly Nazi Ideas of whiteness
..are called proud people.
>>5906
That cherrypicking of the African tribe is hilarious. You ought to understand what consitutes as a European: a person of the white race. Period.
No.5926
>>5923
>>5907
>Thinks Aryan is just Nazi propaganda
>Guize it was just some Arab tribe who cares
Lel toppus kekkus, you are a young and naive one my friends
The gods have much to teach you
No.5927
>>5906
Blond hair found in aboos and niggers are from a completely separate gene sequence than the blond hair gene in whites. So no, shut up youre fucking stupid
No.5928
>>5927
Does not matter Blonde hair does not mean you are "Pure" or whatever bullshit. Someone who has dark hair and dark eyes are still white if they have white skin. I was illustrating this. But I would not expect anyone here to have good reading comprehension.
No.5929
>>5928
>would not expect anyone here to have good reading comprehension
>anyone here
Shill detected
No.5932
>>5926
I'm >>5923 and you misunderstood me. I know that Aryan isn't "Nazi propaganda". Granted, I need to learn more about it so go ahead and shoot some resources this way.
http://aryan-myth-and-metahistory.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-arya-and-their-relationship-to-indo.html
No.5934
Aryans were Persians/iranians and were indo-european but they invaded northern india and got genocided by some indian and then the arabs came in and raped their genome in their homeland and forced shitty religion on them. We may have some common heritage with them, but the idea that Europeans should be called Aryans and that Nordic Europeans are better than other Europeans is stupid. Anyway even if saving the white race was only possible with the ideas (Theres more than one way to skin a cat) of the Third Reich, don't you think it would be better to not go around using Nazi terms since they are Boogeyman and uniquely evil in the eyes of average people. And for fucks sake stop calling people mongols or niggers, most people here (With the exception of bloodaxe) are white you sound like a child. Your attachment to a dead and hated ideology, seems to show you care more about being edgy than helping your people.
No.5940
>>5934
OOOO some anon shitposters do not think I am white what am I to do? Well tell that to the government and pretty much everyone in my day-day because when they look at me they see white. Especially since I live in NM filled with hispanics and all them say I am white.
Trying convincing anyone other then anon autists that I am not white. See how far it gets you. MY SKIN IS WHITE YOU DUMBSHIT that is a literal description of a white person. Your skin is black you are black your skin is white you are white.
No.5946
>>5940
Based on your pic and your description of your ancestry, I agree that you're white. However, let's not pretend that skin colour is all there is to it - there are northeast Asians with whiter skin than you or I have and there are some relatively strongly pigmented white people. I've known 75% white, 25% black people who are very pale, light-haired and light-eyed, moreso than most 100% white people I know, but still look "black".
At any rate, come on man - don't let "hurr ur not white" shitposting bother you. The vast majority if your ancestry is white European, nobody looking at you in the street would be able to tell you have any admixture. Just ignore comments made on anonymous image boards, fuck.
I do agree with the guy that Aryan isn't what we should call ourselves, though. We're our own thing and if Aryan refers to our Indo-European heritage, we also have Indigenous European heritage that should not be brushed over. The whole blond hair discussion isn't even worth addressing, come on guys.
No.5948
>>5946
You're right most of these shitposters are probably 12 year olds obsessed with Hitler. From their comments as well I can tell they know shit all about history or anthropology outside what /pol/ probably tells them.
No.5949
>>5940
>OOOO some anon shitposters do not think I am white what am I to do?
It's alright, you'll always be White in my heart Bloodaxe-kun
No.5950
>>5946
>75% white, 25% black people who are very pale, light-haired and light-eyed, moreso than most 100% white people I know, but still look "black"
Which only proves that physical appearance is just one aspect of race. Frankly, this whole 'if it looks white, it is white' business was never a good criterion to go by, and I doubt its the standard they'd use in a Volkisch civilization, especially now that we can have solid proof from DNA testing.
>nobody looking at you in the street would be able to tell you have any admixture
Does it really matter what some normies on the street think? And Bloodaxe, since when did the spics of New Mexico become such excellent authorities on racial purity?
I agree what you said about the Aryans though.
No.5952
>>5950
>when did the spics of New Mexico become such excellent authorities on racial purity?
What makes you an excellent authority? Who are you to decide my race? When the government and society has already classified me as white from birth. Are you more of an authority than them?
No.5953
>>5950
Fun fact:
Being 25% Jewish and 75% German would be a "second degree mutt" according to the Nuremberg laws. And those Jews were most likely the Ashkenazi kind. It would be forbidden for him to marry other second degree mutts but okay to marry full Germans. I guess Black would be worse than Jewish. Also I heard the laws are still kind of used in Israel to determine citizenship, but that might also be bullshit.
Why I posted this? Dunno lol.
No.5954
>>5952
>Who are you to decide my race?
Where did I even mention your race? No, that's for Pedro to decide :^)
>When the government and society has already classified me as white from birth.
Sorry you're right, after all the government and modern American society trump Genetics (pic related).
No.5956
>>5954
Only I am not Hispanic and do not have brown skin like the dudes in the pic. I had red hair as a child when I grow my mustache out it is blond. My beard is still red I have freckles etc. Also have white skin only thing is I have brown eyes. But yeah totally not white because I am 12 percent Jap. To put that in perspective I am a half of a half of a half Jap.
No.5960
>>5956
Thus far I've merely rubbished on your standards for judging race (and maybe by now even you can see that physical appearance and the American government aren't the best to go by); that you keep deflecting this to yourself indicates you're more troubled by your ancestry than you've let on.
>I am __ percent Jap
Yes, you mentioned that several times already.
No.5961
>>5960
>Gets attacked whole thread about his ancestry
>"Lolz why you so defensive bro?"
Have you even been paying attention?
No.5964
>>5961
Eh leave him alone I remember he looked white enough even if he did have some Mongoloid features. Most of you Amerifats have at least a small amount of Indjun or God-forbid nigger or kike, just be thankful hes from one of the less shit races.
No.5970
The funny thing to me is that universalism isn't necessarily bad, as long as it's developed from the desire to enunciate one's own particularisms and their relationships (positive or negative, close or distant) to the Other.
This is why, on this board, I argue against narrow reconstructivism, and advocate eucumene of asatru, romuva, rodnovery, hellenism etc (even Hinduism and Mahayana Buddhism, to an extent). Because I believe you can only rediscover the esoteric and initiatory truths of your 'parents' by borrowing puzzle pieces from your 'nephews'.
So it's funny to me how impure Europeans who are in a position to benefit from this attitude reject it and go instead for a purely romantic particularism. In other words full viking: "ancestors behaved like this so that's how we should act like".
It reinforces my suspicion that all mixed breeds can't help being confused regarding in- and out-groups.
No.5977
>>5970
I bet this is some fancy talk that translates to
>Bloodaxe ain't white
No.6014
>>5977
Would not doubt it. Seems a lot of people are obsessed with me now. You know the other day I was getting x-rays (hurt my trapezius deadlifting.) and they asked my race I said "white". Lolz hope that triggers all the shitposting fags on here.
No.6016
>>5964
It is a meme among white americans to claim the are a certain percentage of cherokee indian. Real indians even make fun of white americans for claiming this. It is a joke amongest them.
No.6019
>>6014
>hurt my trapezius deadlifting
Lifting two bottles of Mountain Dew doesn't count as deadlifting m8
No.6022
>>6019
So much bullying lel.
>>6014
Do you over-under grip? I've recently been making several changes to how I train, one such being working on abandoning the over-under grip for fear of bicep tears, asymmetrical pulling on the upper back, etc. Simply double-overhanding is a fairly weak grip, but try hook-gripping - it's painful but you get used to it and it's a strong, symmetrical grip.
No.6023
>>6022
Yeah I was doing overhand grip. Never tried hook grip before but will give it a shot!
>>6019
I supposed deadlifting bottles of mountain dew is not as great as deadlifting your keyboard all day.
>Le EBIN Stronk internet warrior
No.6024
>>6023
Double overhand grip? Weird that you'd hurt your trap, normally non-back injuries from deadlifting result from using the over-under, but shit happens. At any rate, recover well - don't rush too fast to get pulling again and delay recovery, take it easy for a bit.
No.6029
>>5855
>>5852
you guys missed his point. He was saying that paganism should be something that changes how you live and act, it should be a practice, not just some vague spiritual castle-building in the sky. Not just something theoretical.
You don't have to be a jacked Achilles but you should at least be NORMAL. That fat out of shape guy isn't embodying the values of paganism, he's lazy and gluttonous and whatever he said on that piece of paper is probably dumb too.
Paganism requires action, taking action and embodying what you believe to some degree. That fatass isn't doing it right. And Latsbrah's video probably triggered all the out-of-shape betas ;]
No.6043
>>6024
I took a few weeks off. Been stretching and using icyhot and this stuff called "Arnica Montana" gel, Also got muscle relaxers from my doctor. Monday I go in for the x-ray results Doc said they she did not think it was anything spinal.
No.6109
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>>5619
After the thread as been derailed by a bunch of shitposters. I think it is time to put it back on the rails? Pic related was posted today by the AFA fb group
No.6115
>>6109
This pleases me.
At this point I do have to assume that Universalists are either willfully ignorant or just do not do any research outside of learning the names of the gods. The amount of degeneracy I see coming from Universalists is astounding; all the insinuations that Loki was gay, or hell, even worshiping Loki, considering that he was imprisoned for a reason (I wonder, on a side note, if worshiping Loki and giving him offerings strengthens him and brings Ragnarok closer?), shows how little they know of the actual texts.
No.6118
>>5619
All of the sincere arguments I've gotten into with sincere universalists has boiled down to "you're confusing culture with race." And I ask them "where does a culture come from?"
You may run into some dedicated kikes(who are heavily trying to subvert the folkish aspect of our religion as we speak) and they'll keep up the argument but most of the time you'll just run into dumbfounded people irl and people who call you trolls on the internet because they can't continue the argument and it hurts their sensibilities that niggers aren't allowed nor welcome in Asatru.
Make no mistake, universalists are as much enemies to us today as the Christians were a thousand years ago. Infact they're even worse because they are infecting good, honest folkish groups. One of the most popular Asatru podcasts is run by a duo who starts a former kike. Not even in religion can you escape these fucking parasites.
No.6121
>>6118
>niggers aren't allowed nor welcome in Asatru
No.6138
No.6142
>>6115
>I wonder, on a side note, if worshiping Loki and giving him offerings strengthens him and brings Ragnarok closer?
Don't worry about that, the libfags are taking care of that themselves. They don't even know it, but with all their crazy hedonistic acts against nature and the will of the Allfather they are in fact bringing Ragnarök closer with each passing day.
>Wolf-age, axe-age
>Whoredome ripe etc etc
>Transfaggots errywhere like ehmargerd Loki is throwing a nonstop party at this point
I just hope it happens soon so that Yggdrasil may be cleansed from the filth that has befallen its noble and ancient roots, and so that the children of hyperborea may prosper again along with it.
No.6159
>>6138
>niggers aren't allowed
>evidence posted otherwise
>they aren't because I say they aren't
And scene! This shit is why nobody takes you fags seriously.
No.6160
Ok, I'm going to take the bait.
Asatru, Vanatru or Heathenry in general at least as much, probably even more so, about the worshiping and honouring of ones ancestors as it is about the gods. "Niggers" trying to get into Heathenry are betraying their ancestors as both practices and gods are COMPLETELY foreign to them. They literally fail to at the base.
Not realizing that is also extremely retarded.
And yes, Heathenry incorporates some Christian practices, simply because they are in its core heathen anyway. Those festivities are dying today, and that is mainly because of the dying of Christianity. Giving them a new, even similar, meaning helps saving them.
>evidence
At least half of those fucks say that because saying otherwise means they would argue against themselves. Fuck Hilmar too.
No.6161
>>6160
>Asatru, Vanatru or Heathenry in general at least as much, probably even more so, about the worshiping and honouring of ones ancestors as it is about the gods. "Niggers" trying to get into Heathenry are betraying their ancestors as both practices and gods are COMPLETELY foreign to them.
http://www.uppsalaonline.com/racism.htm
>History contains several examples that run counter to the Folkish belief. This includes things the ancient heathens themselves did. Ibn Fadhlan, the Arab, was allowed into religious rites. So was Tacitus' father. Irish slaves in Iceland, as well as Slavic, Finnish, and Sami slaves elsewhere are clearly shown, over and over again, as taking part in Norse culture, including Norse religion. Examples of this include the rites of Nerthus, in which slaves played a prominent part. (While the race of the slaves is not recorded, slaves were very often from other races than their captors, captured in raids, and not often of people from the captors race, a practice most ancient heathens considered shameful.) Indeed, such slaves often became integrated into the culture fully, as the Irish slaves did in Iceland. In fact, Icelandic law insisted that slaves take on Icelandic names immediately upon coming to Iceland. Norse slaves (again, who were most often foreigners, people of other races) were often freed after a time, and then took an equal place in society. Norsemen, when travelling afar, often took part in the religious rituals of the lands they travelled to, such as is found in the example of prime-signing, where travelling heathens took part in Christian ritual without renouncing their native gods. If the ancient heathens thought every bloodline had its own gods that should be stuck to exclusively, then why did they engage in this practice? Similarly Radbod the Frisian, an Asatru hero, was going to take baptism to honor his friends' gods (until a Christian priest said something stupid)."
^ Indian here, and I know it's the same deal with Hinduism. Anyone can become Hindu, and in the past Hinduism spread to other peoples in southeast Asia as well as to the mongoloid peoples in the Northeast. Even some of the Ancient Greeks who settled in India became Hindu, just look up the Heliodorus pillar. There are a lot of people who think the trend of Americans converting to Hinduism is somehow anti-Hindu, while in truth this idea of pagan exclusivism is something entirely modern and, funnily enough, it's more akin to Talmudic Judaism than to any genuine paganism. It hardly surprises me, because the early nationalists in Europe adopted the Old Testament concept of chosenness, and when they realized it was at odds with Christianity they simply grafted it onto reconstructed paganism where it blossomed into the racial exclusivist religion you practice now.
No.6162
>>6161
> this idea of pagan exclusivism is something entirely modern and, funnily enough, it's more akin to Talmudic Judaism than to any genuine paganism
True. The reason is that reconstructionists who are racially aware tend to conflate their (legitimate) political goals with their method of worship.
That's a forgiveable mistake since part of the pagan way is a rejection of secularism, division of church and state and all that. What we still need to articulate somehow is that ethnic exclusivity should not prohibit pagan eucumene.
Until that happens, most neopaganism is Lutheranism plus idols.
No.6163
>>6161
>Ibn Fadhlan, the Arab, was allowed into religious rites. So was Tacitus' father.
He was allowed to view and (?) participate. This doesn't mean he converted or was given the offer to convert; similar to white reporters going to the Rez to do documentaries on a Ghost Dance (and, Ibn Fadhlan's work was largely documentary-like).
>Irish slaves in Iceland, as well as Slavic, Finnish, and Sami slaves elsewhere are clearly shown, over and over again, as taking part in Norse culture, including Norse religion. Examples of this include the rites of Nerthus, in which slaves played a prominent part.
Yes, they played a prominent part. As sacrifices? As pawns to be moved about? Your source doesn't say, just that they were used in the ritual; being used != being a member of the religion.
>Norsemen, when travelling afar, often took part in the religious rituals of the lands they travelled to, such as is found in the example of prime-signing, where travelling heathens took part in Christian ritual without renouncing their native gods.
Again, participating != being a member. I can participate in a Mass without calling myself a Christian, if I have reason (for example, going to a friend's funeral); the Norsemen participating is an example of "diplomacy", something people use when interacting with others that may need to be used later on.
No.6164
>>6162
Are you the owner of graaaaaagh by any chance?
No.6165
>>6164
N-no. I also read him.
No.6166
No.6167
>>6163
>slaves played a prominent part in Nerthus worship
You mean how the Germans would make slaves wash her statue and then drown themselves as sacrifice?
Anything else I could say has already been said, youre a fucking moron, fuck off
No.6170
>>6167
Are you saying that it means that they aren't part of the religion or they are?
I assume you're trying to disprove the claim that universalism has historical basis. If that's what you are doing, you replied to the wrong post. I'm disproving >>6161 so I assume your evidence is also to disprove this post as well.
You're a fucking moron, you replied to the wrong post
No.6172
>>6159
Your "evidence" was a faggot from Iceland and some more faggots from Reddit.
Asatru is a tribal religion in nature and you can't have a tribal universalist religion.
I don't even need to go into detail about Skraelings or the Lay of Rig or any of that bullshit.
Normal people think it's weird if a white person starts wearing a feather headdress and dancing in a circle tapping their hand on their mouth making funny noises. Normal people would think it's weird for a white person to dress up in Japanese garb and go practice shinto with them.
But when it comes to OUR heritage and OUR traditions it's all "HURRR IT'S FOR EVERYONE!"
No. It's fucking not. This is why people hate you faggots. You have to go to every little corner of white heritage that's still left and stomp the shit out of it.
No.6174
>>6167
Sorry my beserkergang got triggered by this stupid universalist
Oh also about comparing modern folkishness to Talmudic Jewishness, why do you think the Jews have survived for so long? Because they are racist as shit and do not allow outsiders. Every culture on the damn planet has this quality except for white Christians and that is the exact reason Christianity was introduced by Judaism, because it would open us up to universal ideas and remove tribal identities.
At first this backfired against the Jews as it lead to whites uniting as a glorious Christian global empire, but it has recently become corrupted finally and this is why Christianity must be done away with. It helped us up to the stars but it has rotten along the way, we must hasten quick to build a new temple before it collapses.
anyways back onto topic, the Jews also build temples oh no DDD:: we must not build temples so as not to resemble teh joooos
Fuck off idiot
No.6183
>>6161
The strawmanning in that article is hilarious. Highlights:
>shaming language: "A truly powerful force doesn't fear "weaker" races"; ergo Folkists are wrong b/c I say they're weak for trying to keep niggers out
>implying that non-white power Folkist Asatruars are "just confused" (internalized misogyny anyone?)
>claiming that genes are the sole argument of Folkists, and that because today's genes are different/extremely diluted from 1000 AD, no one is truly genetically descended from ancient heathens (ignoring the concept of race)
>u guise are raycis ergo you're wrong
>we need numbers so accept others
>Tribalism = "anyone can worship the gods if they do it right"
The whole article winds up by saying "u should be a Tribalist", which is essentially Universalism 2.0; while the author disagrees with Universalism's lax rules and lack of religious depth, Tribalism allows for a completely subjective view of who can join; you could say that a Folkist Asatruar isn't a true Asatruar (fallcy much?) because "they're waycis" and therefore they don't worship the gods according to your entirely subjective beliefs. It also allows for the basics of Universalism because "anyone, regardless of race, can join". Same idea, and particularly after this author's admonitions against racism, means that any nigger can roll up and claim to be an Asatruar and you, as a Tribalist, will have to accept them regardless of practice because you can't be waycis.