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 No.5770

is faith necessary to go to Asgard/Valhalla/wherever?

it doesn't seem like it is seeing as "faith through salvation" is an Abrahamic concept originating in early Judaism.

 No.5772

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Can't tell if this is b8 or not.

Common sense. If you don't believe in anything, then where would you go? An Atheist won't go anywhere. An Abrahamic can fuck off to wherever they go.

Generally it seems that Asatruars believe "to each culture its own gods". So there is no "one true faith". Believing in a certain religion does not imply damnation. You aren't "saved" by Asatru. That's fucking retarded.

Simplest response: yes you need to believe in Hel and Valhalla to go there. If not you go wherever, not my problem.

6/10 made me respond


 No.5776

>>5772

>If not you go wherever, not my problem.

that's very universalist of you.


 No.5777

>>5770

This question has been answered many times on here already, but I'll bite.

Valhalla is only for half of all the great warriors slain in battle. Valhalla is not heaven. It is also exclusive to the heathens. It literally means hall of the fallen.

You are correct that there is no faith through salvation in Asatru, although there is a somewhat similar concept with the idea of symbolic death, whereby one symbolically dies in order to be "reborn" stronger and wiser.

>>5772

I don't really think the afterlife works like a build-a-bear but for heaven, but I think the hedonistic atheists are probably content with being dead forever after fucking up their lives once.

To go back to symbolic death, a lot of recent research from reconstructionists and hermetecists converting to volkisch paganism has pointed to the possibility of pagans from antiquity believing in a form of reincarnation. This would explain the idea of symbolic death, as well as the semi-Aryan-derived Buddhism containing a more refined and jewified version of the same concept.

It is worth reiterating from elsewhere on the board that the further you go back in European history, the more paganism gets decentralized, volkisch, intelligent, mystical, and unified. It is believed that at one point all the European people had one similar form of paganism, with all the deity names being one set, as opposed to them having different names in different pantheons as we know today (Odin/Hermes/Lug/Mercury).

I personally believe that the pagan version of reincarnation is "how death works". When you die for real, you are born again from your kin. Although you retain nothing, you have a natural desire to "pick up from where you left off", as in the new you is interested in the same things the old you was, you behave similarly, etc. I also believe this is the belief we should teach people about death. Heaven and nothingness both promote fucking up the world then leaving it to rot when you die, whereas pagan reincarnation encourages you to nourish and preserve it so you can enjoy in your next life.

For more information, there are a few bloggers who hit on this topic. There was actually a post on this board that went into more detail, but I can't find it. You could also just watch a few of Varg's videos.


 No.5779

>>5770

>"going to Heaven/Valhalla" implies you're going somewhere removed from where you are now, as an ego. This is a dualist concept and not at all like the pre-Christian tradition view of the world.

If you believe in Valhalla as a meeting point for deceased warriors, you're still essentially Christian.


 No.5782

>>5777

> hermetecists converting to volkisch paganism

Who do you mean?


 No.5803

>>5782

There have been a few crazy "emerald tablet" level occultists who eventually realized they were just eating piles of BS and decided to focus their investigative skills on the European Pagan Antiquity's mysteries instead.

Basically your run-of-the-mill /x/ and /fringe/ browser realizing he's retarded and going to this board instead. He probably saw that the stuff his comrades post is just an overreaction to some of the currently unexplainable workings of nature. That focusing on unlocking the rune mysteries and deciphering hidden meaning from Eddas is more rewarding and tangible.




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