No.6685
First and foremost, this is not an encouragement of any violent acts, since I know how you guys respond to that (rightly so, probably.) I'm just very curious about the subject.
Is it possible to enter Valhalla/Folkvangr in our modern world? What would the conditions be? Do you have to believe in the old faiths? Do those who defended their Germanic peoples as Christians by circumstance enter Valhalla?
Is Valhalla filled with the ranks of the fallen Wehrmacht and Waffen SS? Is it also filled with the European British and American soldiers who fought against them? Can an ethnically Norwegian/German soldier who falls in battle in Afghanistan enter Valhalla? Can an ethnically European US soldier who falls in Afghanistan enter Valhalla?
If our modern soldiers can enter Valhalla, what is the nature of warfare on it's plains? Do they take their modern weapons with them, or do they practice the traditional arts?
Would Odin not want to take these people, even if they lack faith in his kind? Would he not want them to stand by his side at Ragnarok?
No.6686
You should read Hacon the Goods saga. Hacon was a Christian king of Norway and when he died in battle was taken by the valkyries. Odin chose him to doe and come to his halls because he was the best fighter and king of them all, and even though hacon seems to be a little rustled that he didn't go to christs' heaven, Odin nonetheless accepts him into the einherjar.
of course, part of this may have been because hacon paid respects to the gods at their temples. Although he abhorred the pagan rituals, he still took part in them because the law of the land demanded the king bless the shrines or it would bring bad harvests.
I can't imagine that Olaf the kinslayer is in Valhalla because of the crimes against the gods and their worshipers, but who knows, maybe Odin looks beyond that when it comes to ragnaroks final battle.
so yes, I believe that wehrmacht and British soldiers are drinking together and making amends before shooting each other for fun
No.6702
>>6686
One would imagine that non-heathen warriors who didn't stand in direct opposition to the old ways on earth would start believing in the nature of Valhalla pretty fast once they were already at the foot of the rainbow bridge.
No.6711
>>6702
the way it's worded, Hacon accepted the Heathen burial rites and went to Valhalla because he was in Heathen lands, not Christian ones. Because he was not in Christendom, Christ had no power to take his soul, but he was in Heathen lands and so his soul could be taken by Odin.
This is interesting because it shows that even the early Christian Norsemen had a very Pagan view of the world. He still believed in the Pagan gods, he just preferred the Christian one.
Even the wording of many sagas that are pro-Heathen and anti-Christian seem to still believe that Christ existed as a god, they just thought he was a weak and jealous god and preferred their Heathen ones.
No.6712
>>6711
The idea that because a foreign religion lays claim to your lands your faith no longer has any pull there seems pretty defeatist and shitty.
No.6713
>>6712
That's not my idea, it was the beliefs of the ancient Pagans. It doesn't mean our gods no longer have any power in our homelands, they have just been suppressed by Christian forces. You cannot deny that the ancient Germanics believes in local gods, so they likely believed that Christ was also a local god only found in Christendom.
also, it is never said in Hacon's Saga that the Heathen gods didn't still exist in those lands known as Christendom. The implication was that CHRIST was only found in Christendom.
But now that Christianity is weakening, the folkish spirits are returning. They were always there to begin with, we just forgot how to hear their voices.
No.6779
I don't see why you couldn't. As long as you honor your ancestors and the gods and die in combat you could presumably enter. Of course there might be some conditions on what kind of combat you die in.
There was an earlier thread about tattoos where someone brought up the fact that tattooing a Valknut on your skin was essentially forfeiting your soul to Odin. That would fit your criteria, although you'd die whenever Odin chose.
No.6780
>>6779
>As long as you honor your ancestors and the gods and die in combat you could presumably enter.
A big part of my question was whether non-Heathen ethnic Europeans could enter Valhalla. Very few people, much less soldiers, truly meet your requirements, but there's a lot of good people led astray by their 'leaders' or the circumstances of the post-Christianized Europe they were born in who probably never considered the alternatives. If Asatru, or whatever you may call it, is a faith that is truly rooted in the European spirit and soul, could those people be viable?
I mentioned the Waffen SS. They wore our runes, but i'm sure the vast majority of them didn't hail Odin every morning. Still, they were a pan-European volunteer organization that fought side by side to rid Europe of jewish and marxist (jewish) influence. They sacrificed everything for the European people, and great masses of them fell in battle doing so. That seems honorable enough to be amongst Odin's chosen, does it not?
And the Americans, and British, and French, and so on that fought against them, their ranks were filled with European peoples simply tricked by the tribe to murder their European brothers. Would the blameless among them (though there are plenty to be blamed) who died in battle not qualify?
No.6802
>First and foremost, this is not an encouragement of any violent acts, since I know how you guys respond to that (rightly so, probably.) I'm just very curious about the subject.
I don't browse this board but now I need to know is this board full of pacifist cucks or warriors ready for RaHoWa?
No.6804
>>6802
I for one just don't want to talk to the fbi
No.6805
No.6806
>>6802
I see the ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center have set their sights on shitposting heathens.
No.6811
>>6685
>implying valhalla is a real place
>implying you believe it is
No.6812
>>6811
>implying jew heaven is a real place
>implying St. Peter will be the one ushering you to the afterlife and not your ancestral spirits
>implying your spirit will rot and decay the same way your body does
>implying that death is anything to be feared
Get out, walhaz
No.6815
>>6811
>implying
i don't think you know what that word means, because i implied none of those things.
i see the term larper used as an insult around here, and i think with good reason, because that exactly what a lot of you sound like.
>hurr i want to die in combat so i can go to valhalla and drink mead with thor. maybe he'll take me on a ride across the skies in his chariot to create the thunder and the lightning durr.
and they wonder why people don't take asatru seriously.
No.6816
>>6815 was a reply to >>6812
No.6817
>>6812
>Jew heaven isn't real
>le epin Viking equivalent is
Your spirit hangs around your community after you die.
No.6830
Do we know for certain if Valhalla is real?
No.6834
>>6830
It's a manifestation of worldly spiritual energies which have taken shape in the astral space. Your soul/consciousness can experience it when it finds the place. It only does so when your karmic energies are alligned with it properly - That is to say, you are "worthy of reaching Valhall" as the Eddas teaches us.
No.6841
>>6815
Oh yeah sure, you totally aren't a Christian shill. It's just a pure coincidence that after your epic butthurt we got a massive Christian spam-raid. Sure, you must be atheist, of course. You don't believe Valhalla and mock the idea of it, despite it being referenced multiple times in the lore. "Lol its so silly cuz u have to die in combat what is this fantasy religion?"
If you don't believe in Valhalla and openly mock it, get the fuck out, this board aint for you faggot.
>implying I actually want to go to Valhalla
That isnt my plan faggot, there are multiple afterlives in the Nordic cosmology (but hurrrrr the only afterlife is a warrior one stupid LARPERS) and Thor has nothing to do with Valhalla, even though I'm pretty sure you just mentioned him to mock us. Thor's Hall is the one for slaves and workingmen, and it is the largest hall with the best provisions. Hel is the underworld where most go to die and spend the rest of the afterlife drinking and singing with their ancestors in the dark mists. Dark Hel is the place for oathbreakers and other dishonorable folk (like you) where they will wade in Rivers of venom and have runes of their broken oaths carved upon their flesh. Another portion of spirits inhabit the land around their place of death or their community to bring luck or misfortune upon them.
You don't know a single fucking thing about our religion, so shut up and get out. Go suck some bishop dick some more, don't pretend I haven't seen threads on /christian/ proposing an alliance with /cuteboys/ you fucking degenerates in disguise.
No.6842
>>6841
Also, say I DID want to go to Valhalla. What the fuck is wrong with that? Are you really saying that young white men who are willing to die for their faith in battle with the enemies of Europe is a bad thing? But then suddenly if a Christian did the same thing, or even a fucking Mudslime, you would consider that respectable? Are we supposed to be more like your faggot religions who claim to be religions of peace but secretly plot their end of the enemies through horrid means? At least we are open about our nature.
And don't give me that "Christ was a warrior!!!!1" bullshit, in your New Testament alone you have contradictions.
"I come not to bring peace, but a sword"
"Those who live by the sword shall die the sword"
So what is it, Christ-shill? Religion of peace or religion of war? Depending on your political preference of course
This is why your religion is weak and should be removed from Europe, it is far too easy to manipulate into a liberal faggot religion. Yes pagans have Wiccans but they completely ignore the lore and reinvent it. Your liberal Christians take quotes straight out of the Bible. No amount of Gothic architecture or Roman-style paintings will EVER make Christianity a European religion, at it's core it will always be Jewish and it is easy to return it to it's Jewishness. In the wars to come, if Europe is still Christian, you just fucking watch, a thousand years after the Jews will return and they will corrupt Christianity again and again because you stupid goy-toys thought of your own ancestors as stupid niggers, like that Christian spammer said.
Fuck you
You're starting to sound more and more like a Jew to me.
No.6843
>>6842
>You're starting to sound more and more like a Jew to me.
lol, you say that like we've been having an ongoing conversation, like you have some kind of basis for your rants. no, i'm neither a christian, nor a jew. i'm an atheist, but i've had a great fascination and love for the old religion since childhood (pic related), although i never thought of it as more than fairytales. i came here after watching one of varg's videos about people impersonating/becoming the gods:
https://youtu.be/rRo8gZBkwZk
i think that's where the power of mythology comes from, and i think there's great value in that. but here i saw people talking about valhalla as if it were a real place, and like i said, i don't believe that you really believe that, and i don't think it's helpful. to me it seems as "cartoonish" as physical gods riding chariots across the sky.
No.6844
>>6843
>I've read a childrens book on norse myth im so much wiser than you on your own religion
>I even watched a Varg video! and we all know hes the pope of asatru guize
Now I see why Christians hate you fucking fedoras too
So you don't believe in our religion, why should I care about your fucking opinion on gods and myths? You know nothing you literal fucking fedora, I'm sorry I called you a Christ-shill and said you should suck some bishop cock. You should be sucking Dawkin's cock instead
>You dont really believe in it because I said so!
kek, youre an arrogant one arent you?
No.6845
>>6844
>I'm sorry I called you a Christ-shill
apology accepted, but you didn't really address any of my points. let's start with one simple question: do you believe there are are physical gods riding chariots across the sky?
No.6846
>>6845
I'm not going to answer your question because youre deflecting everything I just said. You think because you have a kids book on norse myth I'm supposed to realize you're all-wise and abandon my faith.
If I answer yes, you'll call me a faggot larper with childish ideas. If I answer no, you'll call me a faggot larper who doesnt really believe in paganism. So fuck your little debate trap.
The gods are real beings who are older and more metaphysical than we understand (the ancient germanic tribes did not build statues of their gods and did not believe it was right to contain them to human shapes, they can take many more shapes than that, the nordic idea of the gods with human shapes is a later Roman adoption)
The gods sometimes reveal themselves to us in physical shapes, and yes in ancient times this meant Thor riding a chariot across the sky. If you don't understand spiritual metaphor however, there is nothing else I can say. The GODS are real, the MYTHS are just that, myth. They fuse historical events with mythical symbolism to give moral teachings.
Also you are proving a reason why I hate atheists, you only care about "uhhh its not real theres no proof hurrr" and care nothing for moral teachings or culture. You dont care about white culture or moral teachings from my observations, why should I listen to you?
No.6847
>>6846
>If I answer yes, you'll call me a faggot larper with childish ideas.
yes.
>If I answer no, you'll call me a faggot larper who doesnt really believe in paganism.
no.
>Also you are proving a reason why I hate atheists, you only care about "uhhh its not real theres no proof hurrr" and care nothing for moral teachings or culture.
that it the complete opposite of what i'm getting at.
No.6848
This idiot atheist is actually believing christian propaganda about pagans. These are not childish beliefs that have no legitimacy because they are silly. You are ignorant (Like most atheists are) and probably don't have the time, patience and open mind required to understand Asatru. You should also be posting on the opposing Views thread.
No.6849
>>6848
>This idiot atheist is actually believing christian propaganda about pagans.
such as?
>You are ignorant (Like most atheists are)
ignorant of what?
No.6850
>>6849
youre ignorance because your only extant of knowledge on germanic religion is some kids book
>hurrr ass a truh is just for kids
>see my childrens edition of the prose edda says so!
I doubt you've read even half of the fucking texts. Tell me, oh wise wizard of the north, how many texts on germanic myth have you read? I'm listening.
No.6851
>>6850
so you have no examples of christian propaganda i believe, and no examples of things i'm ignorant of? though so. and no, all my information doesn't come from that children's book. not that i would matter if it did, because you don't know what the book actually says, and instead of trying to have a real discussion, you just dismiss anyone who disagrees with you.
No.6852
>>6851
I wasnt the one who said you believe in christian propaganda, that was a different poster.
And I said you havent read any of the fucking texts, and so far I seem to be right because you just slid the issue and didn't answer my question
HOW MANY FUCKING TEXTS HAVE YOU READ, WALHAZ?
I await your response, if you have any besides "hurrr but my kiddy book!" I've read childrens books on norse myth before, they usually take liberties with the stories, simplify the myths and ignore some of the edgier part of the religion.
How many texts have you read you arrogant faggot?
No.6853
>>6851
And I'm not going to just list every text because then youll have just claimed to have read it already. Show me how ignorant you are first.
No.6854
>>6852
>I wasnt the one who said you believe in christian propaganda, that was a different poster.
ok, then stay on topic: my point is precisely that while its [sic] not real theres [sic] no proof hurrr, myths are valuable for moral teachings and culture.
>I've read childrens books on norse myth before, they usually take liberties with the stories, simplify the myths and ignore some of the edgier part of the religion.
and i'm sure those parts would have made these stories more believable to an adult in the 21st century.
>How many texts have you read you arrogant faggot?
not relevant, but since you refuse to let it go, see pic related.
No.6855
>>6854
Oh good for you! And how much of the Poetic Edda have you read exactly?
And a textbook as well! good job! and how is this not relevant? You're fucking ignorant and pretend to know everything about Germanic myth just because you've read a book or two, and I doubt you've even read most of the Edda
Now how many of these have you read?
Heimskringla
Prose Edda
Jomviking Saga (or any saga for that matter)
Nibelungenleid
Tactitus' Germania
Niflung Saga
The Brothers Grimm
The Berg Dwellers Song
The Dream of the Rood
The Rune Poems (Anglo saxon, Icelandic and Nordic)
Volsung Saga
Beowulf
Song of Roland
History of the Goths
Go choke on a fedora
No.6856
>>6855
that book includes the prose edda, and i've read all of it. yes, all 400 pages. an amazing achievement, i know. and my mommy used to read me the brothers grimm, lol. but it's not relevant, because i'm not pretending to know anything about germanic myth. if i had, it would have been easy for you to call me on it, and point out what i'm wrong about, instead of going
>what have you read. tell me what books you've read. oh, you've read the edda? yeah… well… i don't believe you!
fuck off, kid.
No.6857
>>6856
alright fine then, you know nothing of germanic myth as you have admitted, why are you here? for what purpose? to rustle jimmies? or are you just a shill?
whats your favorite part of the edda then? i shouldnt have any reason to believe you since you've done a good job of sliding so far
No.6858
>>6857
i didn't say i don't know anything, i said i'm not pretending to know anything more than what i've read, i.e. some books on norse mythology. and i've already explained why i'm here: i find norse mythology fascinating, and valuable for moral teachings and culture.
now, maybe you'd like to answer my question: do you believe there are are physical gods riding chariots across the sky? if you don't, why not? because that, like valhalla, is "referenced multiple times in the lore".
No.6859
>>6858
Dont debate this faggot anymore, he probably just got back from /pol/ and pulled a weak argument on a bunch of Christians and then proceded to get butthurt, it happens to all the "masters" of Asateu.. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is a Christian himself.
Keep watching Varg. He's a good resouce for Atheists trying to transition into Asatru.
No.6860
>>6859
You know this is a board for actual worship or norse deities right? Now just studying them? You should probably leave before anymore religiosity triggers you
No.6861
>>6859
>atheists transitioning into asatru
He doesnt care for asatru, he just came here to mock us you fucking fool
No.6862
>>6860
>implaying im not asatru
bait harder next time faggot.
>>6861
I guess so. With the influx of /christian/ shitposts it's hard to tell who's just getting hotheaded and who's baiting. I'll.let ot go.
No.6864
>>6862
>implying im not asatru
>>6843
>i'm an atheist
okay sure thing fedora-tipper
No.6865
>>6864
Im not that dude, dumbass.
No.6867
>>6865
Sorry >>6860 was meant for >>6858
No.6868
No.6876
>>6859
>>6860
funny how you all seem to avoid my simple question. is it because you realize, like varg said, that claiming you believe in physical gods riding across the sky would make you look like idiots? but those stories come from from the same source as the stories of valhalla, and that's the only reason I've been given to believe it's true. the old european pagans were wrong about many things regarding life, the universe and everything. if you want to avoid looking like idiots (or larpers) that's just something you'll have to deal with.
No.6877
>>6876
Alright, so what were the Christians right about then? :^) Since I still have great suspicions you're just a Christ-shill looking for giggles
Also I thought I already answered you, faggot
>The gods are real beings who are older and more metaphysical than we understand (the ancient germanic tribes did not build statues of their gods and did not believe it was right to contain them to human shapes, they can take many more shapes than that, the nordic idea of the gods with human shapes is a later Roman adoption)
The gods sometimes reveal themselves to us in physical shapes, and yes in ancient times this meant Thor riding a chariot across the sky. If you don't understand spiritual metaphor however, there is nothing else I can say. The GODS are real, the MYTHS are just that, myth. They fuse historical events with mythical symbolism to give moral teachings.
>>6846
Learn reading comprehension you fucking fedora
>>6846
No.6879
>>6877
nope, still not a christian, and i'm not saying the christians were right about anything.
>The gods sometimes reveal themselves to us in physical shapes, and yes in ancient times this meant Thor riding a chariot across the sky.
sorry, must've missed that part. well, i guess you're just a complete idiot then :^) seriously though, is there any part of the lore that you think is just plain wrong? for example, the idea that the world was made from the body of a slain giant. or do you think this should be taken as metaphor?
No.6880
>>6876
The gods are metaphors for something that is good in nature. I thought the GoldenOne and Varg alresdy made this clear.
No.6903
>>6880
They are spiritual energies found within both third density and the astral ether which can manifest themselves into human forms at will. Some of those energies are female, others are male in nature, correspondingly the gods they represent are male or female too
No.6905
>>6903
that sound like obscurantist new age bullshit, and it raises a lot more questions than it answers. what's the evidence for any of that? oh, right, you're one of those people who think being a skeptic is somehow a bad thing, aren't you? well, if you want to convince any reasonable people to join this religion, you'd better come up with something more… convincing. the only people who will buy that line of bullshit are doped up hippies.
No.6906
>>6905
>just degenerate a religion to pander to euphoric mouthbreathers who reject anything non-materialist anyway so you can have more 'converts'
>fedoras
>reasonable
No.6907
>>6906
we wouldn't reject it if you had any evidence. what's wrong with asking for evidence again? do you even have any old pagan writings that refers to the gods as spiritual energies, or talks about third density astral ether or whatever the fuck? anything to indicate you're not just pulling this shit out of your ass? or i guess just enjoy your tiny hippie circle jerk.
No.6908
>>6905
We don't need reasonable people, pure left-mindedness is what leads to liberalism and Jew-control. We need strong people, honest people and industrious people. We have enough "reasonable" people who sit on their fucking asses doing nothing, like you
Go, and don't come back
>implying hippies and asatru mix
No.6911
>>6908
>We don't need reasonable people
>We need strong people, honest people and industrious people
>implying the two are mutually exclusive
>pure left-mindedness is what leads to liberalism and Jew-control
exactly the kind of simple-minded nonsense i'd expect from someone who cares nothing for reason and evidence.
>implying hippies and asatru mix
in the minds of the hippies they obviously do, these new age faggots are everywhere in asatru, and you sound just like them.
No.6912
>>6906
>just degenerate a religion
you already have, with your new age bullshit.
>>6908
>We don't need reasonable people
spoken like a true worshiper of odin, who made great sacrifices in his quest for knowledge and understanding.
No.6913
>>6912
>confusing knowledge and wisdom for pseudo intellectualism and materialism
No.6914
>>6913
>implying i've said anything remotely pseudo-intellectual (unlike you, with your talk of spiritual energies in the third density)
>implying my materialism isn't just a natural result of intellectually honest inquiry
>implying you aren't completely devoid of actual arguments, and totally butthurt
maybe you should go. try the asatru reddit. i'm sure the people there would love to hear all about your astral planes.
No.6915
>>6914
>implying im the one who mentioned astral planes
and the pseudo intellectualism rears its head even more
since youre such a fucking euphoric lord of knowledge, whats your major?
No.6916
>>6915
so i'm a pseudo-intellectual because i mistook two user on an anonymous image board? that makes a lot of sense. and i've never claimed to be an expert on anything. try harder.
No.6922
>>6811
>>6815
>>6843
>>6845
>>6847
>>6849
>>6851
>>6858
>>6876
I assume these are all one person.
FROM THE STICKY
(LEARN TO READ, THE ANSWER IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE)
>Do you consider the Norse myths to be true?
The myths are stories about the Gods and Goddesses of Asatru. We believe they are ways of stating spiritual truths. That is, we would say they contain truths about the nature of divinity, our own nature, and the relationship between the two. We do not contend that the myths are literally true, as history. Rather, myth can be thought of as “the dream of the race” or “that which never happened, but is always true.”
>What about these Gods and Goddesses? Are they real?
Yes, they are real. However, just as most Christians do not think their God is really an old bearded figure sitting on a golden chair in heaven, we do not believe Thor (for example) is actually a muscular, man-shaped entity carrying a big hammer. There is a real Thor, but we approach an understanding of him through this particular mental picture.
There's your answer. Now you have a choice here; you can either accept that no one believes that Dorr :DD hibselvf is braining giants and shit and do some lurking, or you can leave.
Ebin thread derailing btw
No.6923
>>6922
>>6922
I have a strong feeling this is just a christ-shill stirring shit to get us off topic
Anyways, ignore the so called fedora and lets get back on topic
I've heard theories that Valhalla was a later conception that basically enlarged the earlier Germanic and Saxon idea of the warrior dead living in a hall made of their own funeral howe. What do you think of this?
No.6948
>>6922
>We do not contend that the myths are literally true
then what makes you think valhalla is a real place?
>Yes, [the gods] are real
as >>6880 pointed out, there are certainly people who identify as pagan who don't seem to believe this.
No.6967
Only idiots who think of the afterlife in a christian fashion act like everyone goes to Valhalla. Only like the top 1% of warriors would go there if it did exist (I don't think it does). Reincarnation is what will happen to most people.