/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

If you dont identify with your whiteness I cant really see you being Asatru

Most of the SJW Asatru types, example the Heathens Against Hate, usually have very little grasp of our faith, haven't read the direct sources and get most of their shit online, and just kind parrot others. Most of them are also of dubious ethnicity, which makes us suspicious as to what their real motives are. We cant see any reason a non-white person would find it appealing, especially in this day of hating all things white.

It's the only last part of our culture untouched by foreign influences because its steeped in the ancient past, and now theres faggots trying to claim the Germanic tribes were totally gay and niggers trying to say the Vikings were actually Moors.


So yes, you should strongly identify as a white man if youre Heathen. if not gtfo

It's certainly one way into the faith, but it's not the only one.

It also offers a tie to the land that modern society has mostly abandoned with its enormous cities and industrialized agriculture which can appeal to anyone.

It has the much less dogmatic/one-true-way attitude inherent in a polytheistic and animistic faith, which appeals to "no objective truth whatsoever" postmodernist types.

SJWs looking for oppression points because "indigenous woman-friendly trans-friendly religion oppressed by the big bad patriarchal Christian church".

And on top of that, you've got the usual teen rebellion types.

Yeah it's accurate. 14/88

Heck even mongrels depending on the type of mongrel you are can still practise Santería, Obeah, and other polytheistic religions that are held by mongrels.

…or you can just become a mystic and forget the cultural ties that are part of these folk religions and engage in spiritual practises without the context of a past or your ancestors which you aren't connected to anyways.

There's lots of options. It just doesn't make sense for you to force your way into something where you don't belong.

I guess another way I can put this is this.

Regardless of your race, you can practise polytheism, you can practise animism, and you can practise shamanism (shamanism is a generic term for a group of practises for inducing trance which are used in every part of the world be it Siberia, the Amazon, the Sahara, etc.).

The underlying philosophy is universal. It's open to anyone.

However these specific variants to it they are not, they are tied to a folk and a culture, and outsiders can only imitate and make a mockery of it.

…but if you're a Negro it's voodoo, if you're a Nordic it's asatru, if you're a Jap it's Shinto, if you're an Australian Aborigine it's dreamtime, etc.

A white person practising Voodoo is an absurdity. A non-white person practising Asatru doesn't make sense.

You can't ignore the racial component because it's what defines these religions and sets them apart. If you only want to practise the philosophy, that part is universal, but you're never going to be a Norseman just by pretending to be one. Those blacks I in the picture I posted aren't Swedish or Celtic no matter their dresses or their knowledge about it.

>>697
Well, I'm definitely white. My family comes from England and Sweden. But I was not raised around white people aside from my family, culturally I am more used to being around mixed people. I have looked into Saneria/Obeah/Vodoun, but it really is more for people with African roots, which I don't have. And I have looked at native american religions, because they also tie into my upbringing. But I don't have the ancestral connection to support it even though the present day community and practitioners are relevant to my life. Anything that's racially exclusionary doesn't feel comfy for me, having spent my whole life on the borders of different communities, I don't think I could get into it.

>or you can just become a mystic and forget the cultural ties that are part of these folk religions and engage in spiritual practises without the context of a past or your ancestors which you aren't connected to anyways

My partner and I have been following some self-styled practices for years now, that are vaguely European based but more detached from the past, which I guess is the exact profile of a neopagan. Perhaps that's all that's available to someone like me aside from going mystic like you suggested.

On a technical historically accurate level, no, you do not have to identify as White or Nazi, but it's a bit more complicated than that.

You see, the concept of Whiteness didn't really become a thing until well after Heathen times. Back then, Heathens did not identify as White, they identified themselves by their tribal ethnicity. In other words, Heathens identified as Angle, or Saxon, or Norse, or Danish, or Icelandic, and so on and so on.

However, nowadays, the racial consciousness genie is out of the bottle and ain't gong back in. So if you identify as being German, Swedish, or any of the aforementioned older tribes, you are identifying as White. So yes, Whiteness is inherent to Heathenry.

National Socialism, on the other hand, is a political philosophy that is the product of the 1930s and 40s and is ultimately separate from the Heathen worldview. Can you be a Heathen Nazi? Yes, in the same way you can be a Heathen Republican or Heathen Libertarian or whatnot. Is being a Nazi a prerequisite to being Heathen? No.

Understand?

>>681
Well, being asatru does kinda rule out shit like libertarianism and marxism because they're heavily at odds with it.

It's not exactly nazi, just in the same general political sphere, also called sanity.

With that being said it seems to be that racial puritanism doesn't exactly belong, because someone who is, say, half white and half asian would still be right to practice asatru as they have a lot of white ancestors who, once you go far back enough, all practiced European paganism.

>>767
How is it at odds with libertarianism? What would you say it aligns most with, politically and economically?

Nazi ideology is for mindless jack-booted followers and plebs, not strong individualists like the examplars found in Norse myths and the sagas.

>>772
Take your political ramblings somewhere other than here.
This thread is to discuss white nationalism and asatru, not why you hate nazis

>>768
Well libertarianism is about screwing over your community for personal gain, and asatru fairly heavily emphasizes the importance of family and kin. You can see the contradiction here.

>>772
Confirmed for butthurt jew-lover what bought into their propaganda.

>>739

The correct term is NationalSocialist. Also, any of us that follow Natural Law are going to be tribal. There's lots of other European tribes that I have an issue with for things they did to my tribe, etc.

That's how it should be, anyway. People are naturally tribal, and this worldview makes sense.

>>816
All you know about libertarianism, you probably heard from other parties' ads.

Libertarianism is not about screwing over anybody. It's about each individual having as much control as is possible over their person and their property.

Families and communities should support each other, but if they're only doing it because the law says so they're missing the point. Famililes support each other because they all want to. If you don't want to support your kin or community, you're a dishonorable little faggot but they'll be better off without you anyway.

National Socialism isn't a pre requisite to heathenry but it's highly compatible

>>731

Why are you treating yourself like a mixed person? You're fully Germanic, stop robbing yourself of your roots.

>>816
Not just propaganda. Half of National Socialism is, true to its name, Nationalism. Or, in other words, having a raging hardon for your state.

Nationalism means putting your state above all else. Asatru philosophy says your family comes before all else. Your country is a close second, but not just because it is your country. You follow your country just because it is where your family and kin are, and because you agree with its laws and what it does. If you disagree, you just move–and bring your close family, if you can.

Nationalism–or at least, most of its real-world implementations in history–has been about mindless following of your state just because it is your state.

>>4616
>the state is a worthless social construct and your family is more important

What a fool you are, thats the bluepill inside you talking. The State is the greater family, the state of Rome was made of the children of Romulus and Remus, the State of the Saxons was made of the children of Saxneat. A state or nation is a more general word for a tribe and it is a holy thing, worship of it is more Pagan than you would think. The Germanic tribes held it more honorable to serve your king than to serve your family, in other words, the state (the larger family of your whole nation) comes before obligations to yourself and your smaller family.

>>4619
>>4624
Would you really put your country above your family? Do you really feel bound to a country because you are born to it, not because you agree with it in principle?

I'm an american and I'm happy to be one, but not because it's where I was born, that doesn't matter. I'm happy because I agree with most of the ideals of this country–more than I do any other, at least. If the country did something I disagreed with–or if I found another that represented my ideals better, I'd move in a heartbeat–and try my damndest to bring my family with me, though I never could.

If my family needed help, though, I'd be back even faster.

>>4619
>>4624
>>4625

The nation is your people.
The country is the region where they live.
The state is the institution that rules that region.
The regime is the social group behind the scenes of that state.
The government are the people working for that regime at a given time.
The head of state is the leader of the government. In old times, this was a king or earl.

Now, all that being said, to put anything above your family runs counter to the practices of our ancestors, and besides that, is batshit fucking insane. The family is the fundamental reason for the existence of all of this shit.

The purpose of the nation is to support its families.
The value of the country is in support for the nation.
The mission of the state is to preserve friþ for the people in the country.
The purpose of a regime is to support the people who own the state.
The job of the government is to fulfill the purpose of the regime.
The job of the head of state is to lead the government.

>>4625
>Would you really put your country above your family?
Wtf are you talking about?! Nationalism is about the seeing your neighbours as extended family, not about supplanting your familial ties.
>I'm an american
That explains a lot.
You don't get it because the USA is not a nation so nationalism is a foreign concept to you.

>>4636
I see your point, so I have a question for you:

What would you do if your nation did something that went entirely against your beliefs or morals? Something like enacting horrible laws, starting a stupid war or failing to come to defense of an ally, something you absolutely could not tolerate. What would you do?

>>4638
Nation =/= state
I already told you the difference, man. And I also already implied the order of fucking importance.
I guess 'mericlaps are as thick skulled as joked about.

>>4670
That doesn't answer my question. What would you do?

I did use the wrong word, it would be the government or state that would make that decision, but how would you handle that without abandoning your nation?

>>4673
You are fucking retarded. Nation =/= state, you fucking double nigger. Going against the state is not abandoning your nation, so your question is dumb. Family>Nation>State>>>>>>>ZOG, what is so fucking hard to understand?

>>4689
I know that you fucktard. You're not telling me what in the hell you'd actually do. Maybe going against the state isn't abandoning your nation, but physically leaving them is, no? And if you don't leave, you're supporting the state and whatever it's doing.