/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

"Believing atheist propaganda" Oh pagans had no morals they had cuckolding and shit and were all about women power oh fuck yeah im gonna be a viking and rape and pillage yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EoRBvdVPQ

Part of Paganism is keeping yourself healthy.

Jesus Christ, mods you missed one!

>>7268

you're confused.

A bunch of atheists can live seemingly "moral" lifes without believing anything is literally a "sin" or believing in some divine moral code.

man-made customs =/= Morals

>>7269

>being healthy

what about it? everyone wants to be healthy lol

So the ancient sources are manmade morals and customs but were supposed to believe you in paganisms lack of morals? Why the hell should I trust you over actual genuine pagans from the actual time of the pagans? I've spent years studying paganism and even I know my place as a student of the ancients, not their successors or superiors.

seriously, where are you even getting this shit from? You go and say that Vikings did as they pleased, then claim that historical analysis has no place in paganism. If thats true, why should I care what the Vikings believed in? If they did whatever they pleased, is killing you and having a monogamous relationship within the realm of possibilities?

if historical analysis is irrelevant what is the point of even being pagan? Lets get fucking real, paganism died thousands if years ago as a religion and only lived on in folklore, morals and customs. Look at the folk religions of any other culture and morality, history, worldview and myth are weaved into one, just as paganism was.

you're either a troll, a Christian trying to show us how degenerate paganism is (that won't work buddy , you're the only one here saying paganism is about go go dancers) or an atheist newcomer desperately trying to be pagan. If its the last one I hope you find the true way of the gods and actually do some research instead of pulling some retarded new age shit out your ass

>>7259

"Sin" comes from Proto-Germanic by way of Anglo-Saxon. The concept of an action that offends the ethics and morality of the folk is neither something that was imported from Semitic thought nor something invented by modern heathens.

But the most troubling thing in your post is this:

>Paganism has no "morals" don't confuse culturally relative customs with morals.

Your rejection of the morals of the Germanic folk here, merely because they do not derive from what you term "Divine authority" or "Divine Moral Code" in a flurry of ungrammatical capital letters, is a flawed proposition. It is a core heathen belief that faith is not something external to a person. There is not a morality handed down from on high by unerring gods to be imposed on us. Just as our weltanschauung comes from within the folk, so does the framework for behavior that we mutually expect from one another.

For example, the primacy of oaths in Germanic culture is undeniably an example of the heathen moral code. The lore contains many stories about oathbreaking, illustrating that it is a severe offense against Germanic morality. Yet, as you say, there is no divine commandment against oathbreaking.

In fact, the problem here is that you are looking for divine commandments and then reflexively rejecting any moral framework that is not supported by them. If there's a single position in this thread that is loaded down with Semitic baggage, it's this position of yours. Most heathens do not draw the sharp and artificial line between the "earthly" and the "divine" that Semitic monotheistic faiths do, because that's silly.

Our people have our ways of living that include a moral code, a divine cosmology, artistic and poetic traditions, runes and symbols, etc. No part of this requires some heavenly imprimatur to gain legitimacy. Heathenry comes from within the folk and is an expression of our folkish customs. This includes morality, even without the solemn commandment of some rule-listing speech from a god in the sky.

>>7269

>Jesus Christ, mods you missed one!

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>>7273

an appeal to man-made tradition is never a foundation for ethics/morals. It is philosophically impotent.

>>7274

No, you're just not used to it.

>>7275

tradition can be shitty, africans mutliate female genitalia cuz of "muh tradition"

that's all well for them, but it has no connection to a thing called Morality. its just a custom

customs =/= morals

>>7274

>implying humans are not of divine origin

you're the only one with a Semitic worldview around here, with your retarded belief that the divine and the material are separate. So if the ancient pagans were just fools clinging to man made traditions, who the fuck are YOU to interpret divine will? Some fat pseudo atheist on the internet knows more about the gods than the ancient priests and holy men? Dont make me fucking laugh

>>7278

well I'm divine too then, and I say you're a stupid fool who would have been thrown in a bog 2000 years ago. Also implying the humans today in the kali yuga have the same moral authority as the ancient humans.

I'll ask the question again since you keep dodging, how can you be pagan if you think historical analysis is irrelevant to paganism? You literally are just pulling shit out your ass and putting it on a pedestal equal to the meditations of Aurelius, the Homeric poems, the poetic edda or the sagas, and then acting like an enlightened holier than thou asshole when we stuff it back up where it came from

>>7276

Okay, so? These are ours. Come to the thing and address them on their merits. Your posts are becoming increasingly non-responsive.

>>7279

> how can you be pagan if you think historical analysis is irrelevant to paganism?

they didn't even keep historical records.

12th century pagans weren't trying to figure out what 8th and 1st century pagans were up to when trying to figure out how their tribes should marry, hunt, or if jerking off was okay.

It was all instinct, word of mouth, and whimsy.

>>7280

> These are ours.

I say what is "ours" not you.

Our people, Pagans, never had a moral code, they had customs that changed from tribe to tribe, century to century.

>>7279

>I'll ask the question again since you keep dodging, how can you be pagan if you think historical analysis is irrelevant to paganism?

Nobody here thinks historical study is irrelevant.

Your foreign books, those are irrelevant.

>>7282

> I say what is "ours" not you.

Your posts scream at a deafening pitch that you are an outsider. We tell you what is ours.

ITT; Either a christcuck or a judeo-christian influenced atheist trying to interpret our worldview while too hopelessly enmeshed in a Semitic World-Rejecting Revealed worldview to truly understand it. (Or more likely a troll who doesn't want to to understand it in the first place for obvious reasons.)

Move along people, nothing more to see here.

>>7283

>meditations, the poetic edda, the Homeric poems and the Icelandic sagas are foreign

this is what we call an unintentional slip of intentions. You view European lore as foreign, confirmed for either a Jew, Christian or shitskin

>>7289

>ITT; Either a christcuck or a judeo-christian influenced atheist trying to interpret our worldview while too hopelessly enmeshed in a Semitic World-Rejecting Revealed worldview to truly understand it (Or more likely a troll who doesn't want to to understand it in the first place for obvious reasons.)

that was one long-winded turd of a sentence, tbh

>>7315

^Fucking this. Why cant people understand this?

>>7291

Homer and Aurelius are unquestionably foreign to Asatru. This isn't some melting-pot pan-European new age movement, kid. There are Europeans who wrote books on Christianity, and you'll never scrub the Semitic stink off those no matter how hard you try.

>>7341

you said paganism and you post pictures of Slavic gods. Dont you fucking back out of that and go "b but I meant asatru!" you said paganism which forces me to assume you mean European paganism in general you stupid shitface.

>implying that all forms of paganism are not vaguely related and have contributed to European culture as a whole

>comparing homer and Aurelius to Christianity

you know nothing, kid (yes k can use kid to feign superiority as well )

>>7344

At some point you lost track of which anon you were shitposting at.

>>7317

Are you a gook?

>>7259

Well, there are some morals that are central to Asatru, bravery and loyalty and respect for ancestors and such.