&gt;Edred Thorsson

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>Edred Thorsson Asatruar 09/07/15 (Mon) 08:47:42 No.7814

>Sign of The Hammer (Neo-pagan self-delusion, borrowing from christianity due to leftover mental baggage, ie signing the Cross)

>Hammer Rite (Wiccan borrowing, no historical records speak of it afaik)

>Temple of Set

>uses Crowleyan term 'Aeon' when discussing runes (not hating on individuals dabbling with the occult here, but in a broad context mixing Aleister Crowley with heathenry seem quite off, akin to icelandtruar claiming feminism)

Tell me again why he's any sort of authority, since Asatru is a non-NewAgefluff attempt at reconstructing a worthy tradition? I see his books being recommended just about everywhere, yet he seems like a edgy LHP wiccan when I look at his work. Also pushes LOADS of "Runes Guide"-type books filled with his UPG, similar to New Age self help books.

I admit that he's contributed to the revival by translating rare/somewhat obscure german/icelandic texts to an english-reading audience, his scholarship there IS of great importance, but that about covers it imo. Having a Left Hand Path devotee as Rune Guru in the english speaking world doesn't seem authentic to me (unless you dabble in LHP and occult matters yourself).

Asatruar 09/07/15 (Mon) 09:00:32 No.7815

*on the other hand, he's more serious than say Wiccans and bargain bin Rune Healing 101 books (but faulty teachings are faulty teachings, such as the Hammer Rite)

Asatruar 09/07/15 (Mon) 09:02:38 No.7816

AFAIK the Hammer of Thor is legit.

Asatruar 09/07/15 (Mon) 09:27:00 No.7817

Magic isn't the same as religious rites in general IIRC

but according to Dumezil:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trifunctional_hypothesis

>The trifunctional hypothesis of prehistoric Proto-Indo-European society postulates a tripartite ideology ("idéologie tripartite") reflected in the existence of three classes or castes—priests, warriors, and commoners (farmers or tradesmen)—>corresponding to the three functions of the sacral, the martial and the economic, respectively.

sadly we know too little of "wizards" back then, everything on seidr/galdr is hard to verify academically so I assume Thorsson has a UPG disclaimer or something

Asatruar 09/07/15 (Mon) 21:51:43 No.7821

>>7816

The Hammer of Thor as a symbol? Yes, but not the signing of the hammer.

As >>7814 said, it's influenced by the Catholic signing of the cross, but to be more specific, it comes from a moment in an Icelandic saga.

The exact title of the story escapes me at the moment, but what I can remember is that it involved a king or chieftain who had converted to Christianity, and for whatever reason was trying to keep his faith on the down-low. When accepting a drink during a ritual he accidentally did the sign of the cross out of reflex.

There was tension amongst those congregated, so one of the king's men covered for him by basically saying: "Oh… um…. he didn't do the sign of the cross. He… uh…. did the sign of the Hammer! Yes! That's it!" (me paraphrasing of course, and embellishing for comic effect.)

Asatruar 09/07/15 (Mon) 22:01:28 No.7822

>>7821

The signing of the Hammer, too. Anglo-Saxon custom. The sign of the cross didn't appear out of nowhere.

Asatruar 09/07/15 (Mon) 22:49:58 No.7825

>>7822

Source on this? I'm honestly unfamiliar with this and would like to know more.

Asatruar 09/08/15 (Tue) 05:15:44 No.7828

>>7821

I don't know whether the signing is christian or heathen, but wouldn't a convert to christianity rather accidently do pagan things out of habit than the other way around?

I always found the mismatch weird of how the trinity was invoked on a sign of four points, though.

Asatruar 09/08/15 (Tue) 06:12:14 No.7829

>>7828

My memory was rusty, but I found the proper source again. It wasn't from an Icelandic saga, but from The History of Hacon the Good from "Heimskringla, Or The Lives of the Norse Kings":

Follow the link and click on the page 89 link to expand the page and see the referenced passage in paragraph 17:

https://books.google.com/books?id=hjyMqjN_FlcC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=king+hacon&source=bl&ots=JwBWzAJ-dL&sig=WdddKb6b2xcURvU_r9ykKkF1lR8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEUQ6AEwCGoVChMIvZ_eteDmxwIVi4CSCh2qcgYX#v=onepage&q=king%20hacon%20hammer&f=false

Interestingly enough also stumbled upon this book page, which has a passage concerning the berserks, that seems to imply that there was indeed already a hammer sign, or that perhaps it was a response to the sign of the cross:

https://books.google.com/books?id=rhMtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=king+sign+of+the+hammer&source=bl&ots=0hlAwlvM8U&sig=bIHg_O9FTvurBy7hM-Qeb6aOVcM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CGIQ6AEwDWoVChMIksCm5t_mxwIVCDySCh084w3R#v=onepage&q=king%20sign%20of%20the%20hammer&f=false

Asatruar 09/08/15 (Tue) 11:28:28 No.7832

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THORSSON IS A FAG! ALL HAIL TO BIL LINZIE, THE ONLY MOTHERFUCKER THAT KNOWS HIS SHIT!