/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

Yes ideas, philosophies and technology develops, this doesnt mean that new developments are always good. By your logic, Eckhart Tolle and New Age Wiccan hippie shit is even more valid than Christianity. Why follow that your family did for the last thousand years? You can be worshiping the religion of NOW

And Asatru or Heathenism is animist stupid, thats what the whole elves and dwarves and trolls are about. They are land spirits that occupy the the earth in a way similar to kame in Shinto. Heathenry is a direct descendant of the animism that existed among the PIE people before they migrated across the continent. Christianity is not, however and this is why we feel it is unnatural for the European spirit. There used to at least be a shred of the old culture that lived on in the Catholic church but its dying now as the church dies with it, and you are becoming warped into something Jewier every day (look at the growing amount of new age or hippie Christians, yes I've met them, and the decreasing amount of traditionalist Catholics)

Not to mention Protestants are more powerful than you in America, whereas Germanic Paganism is becoming popular among the right wing in America. The Wiccans and hippies of our tree are being driven out, are yours?

>Why is it important to follow the same religion as your family did ~1000-1400 years ago?

For me, Asatru, the faith of the Germanic peoples, is important because it represents synthesis; the Indo-European pantheon combined with the Abrahamic God-Above-All. In this way, I am both a Pagan and (by my own definition of the word) a Christian.

I have a complex personal faith, and Asatru is simply a part of it.

>>8219

Because people feel attracted to the said philosophy/religion/faith. Why do people choose Islam? Why do people choose Christianity? Who do people choose atheism? They choose a group that defines their very outlook on life. They unite under a common faith/religion/philosophy in which they are part, to live together and to discuss things together. Why? Because people need to cooperate with each other in order to survive.

Ofcourse things develop, but that doesn't mean we can build on what we have now from our ancestors. By these means, any religion would be invalid because it has a said tradition and history, which is not the case. Even the Wiccan faith has a longer, philosophical history. We just see them as cucks because they defy what we see as good/bad etc.

Tl;dr people define themselves with a group and live with it according to the said norms of group.

There's actually a cutoff point the further you go back into the past where the chance that you inherit the genes of someone in your previous family line becomes increasingly slim as you go back further in time. Obviously you can't have the biological traits of everyone you are descended from, since this is not how evolution works. There's a point at which it just becomes kind of an insignificant genetic background noise and one can only speak of "ancestors" in the most broad and extended sense of the word. That's why asatru is the only true faith of europeans, it lies just in the right corner to qualify as the longest-lasting european religion of our direct ancestors dating back 15k years or so.

>>8219

>the argument that made me return to christianity

my father was a christian, as was his, and his before him. am I to insult 1400 years of ancestors?

>>8221

>look at the growing amount of new age or hippie Christians, yes I've met them, and the decreasing amount of traditionalist Catholics

There's actually a trend right now, that converts from this generation prefer traditional liturgical services.

>Not to mention Protestants are more powerful than you in America

Debatable. 25.4% of america is Catholic, with 46.5% being "protestant", but lumping all protestants into one group is bad practice.

25.3% of those protestants are Baptists, with the rest being <10%-sized groups, like lutherans, pentecostals, etc, some of whom are more in-line with a catholic opinion of religion than others.

>Germanic Paganism is becoming popular among the right wing in America

maybe in the fringes of the right, but it is irrelevant – the largest and most active groups of germanic paganism are heathens against hate tier groups, with the "right wing" volkish groups mainly consisting of solitary practitioners.

>The Wiccans and hippies of our tree are being driven out, are yours?

kek. activity between here and /r/asatru shows some incorrectness. The fact that every kindred I can find contact info on is a HAH affiliated kindred drives it home. The fact that traditionalism is preferred by new christian converts vindicates my point.

>>8228

>In this way, I am both a Pagan and (by my own definition of the word) a Christian.

This is weird and incorrect by christian standards. If you want germanic christianity, why not look into Lutheranism? Their calendar of saints contains large numbers of germanic men and women, often those who struggled to free germanic lands from the oppression of rome and it's pope.

>>8257

>it lies just in the right corner to qualify as the longest-lasting european religion of our direct ancestors dating back 15k years or so.

I dunno. Disregarding pedigree collapse (it's too unpredictable unless you have a whole family tree back 1400 years), I would share roughly 0.019…% of my genetics with any given one of my pagan ancestors from the year 600AD. By comparison, the average white american has 0.7% admixture with blacks.

If you're an american descended from either the english or ulster-scots, you're more of a nigger than you are related to your last pagan ancestor. Asatru then lies not in "just the right corner" – it lies in that area of genetic background noise.

>>8307

>None were black.

how many were heathen?

>>8310

Since were gonna ask irrelevant questions to make the other side look stupid, which is better? Catholicism, Lutheranism or Orthodoxy, the versions of Christianity that were born through a mixture of Pagan practice and ritual with Christian doctrine?

Or Judeo-Christianity, Jehovahs Witnesses and Puritans, which are pure Christian and have absolutely no Goyish influence on their culture. Just 100 percent pure Jew :^)

Since Christianity is the best religion in the world im going to assume the second one.

If you said that Catholics were good then you would be admitting that Christianity is improved when mixed with European Paganism

>>8310

Most of my grandparents and parents were christian in name only. And my great-grandpa who was a Jap was not even christian at all.

>>8311

>which is better?

Lutheranism

>If you said that Catholics were good then you would be admitting that Christianity is improved when mixed with European Paganism

well, I said Lutheranism. Luther eliminated much of the idolatry and pseudo-polytheism inherent in the catholic faith, but maintained a strong stance against Talmudism and religious judaism (which is the origin of jewish anti-goyishness).

So, christianity, stripped of both Jewish deceit and Goyish idolatry, and refocused on christ alone is the correct christianity. "Judeo-christianity" falls to the deceit of the jews in accepting zionism, and catholicism fails in worshipping saints and men over christ.

>Since were gonna ask irrelevant questions

my question was wholly relevant. Bloodaxe's "citation needed for me being a nigger" totally side steps the fact that the average american has only the most tenuous connections with his last fully heathen ancestors.

For example, he himself states that he is more japanese. With a great grand parent being a jap, he's 1/8th (that is, ~12.5%) japanese, but (depending on when his last germanic ancestors were converted) only around 0.01….% heathen. So it again begs the initial question:

why is the religion of your ancestors in the early middles ages more important than the religion of either

A) your deepest-deep ancestors (including monkeys and amoebas)

B) the ancestors you actually know, love and share a relevant genetic heritage with.

>>8305

>>the argument that made me return to christianity

my father was a christian, as was his, and his before him. am I to insult 1400 years of ancestors?

Christians had to "insult" an even farther reaching lineage of ancestors to get started in the first place.

>maybe in the fringes of the right, but it is irrelevant

Christianity also began as a weird little fringe cult that Roman Pagans scoffed at. Our current revival got started in the 70's. It took your cult about three and a half centuries before you became the official state religion of Rome. We've got time to catch up.

Also:

>>8313

>well, I said Lutheranism. Luther eliminated much of the idolatry and pseudo-polytheism inherent in the catholic faith

>>8305

>why not look into Lutheranism? Their calendar of saints…

Lol.

>but maintained a strong stance against Talmudism and religious judaism (which is the origin of jewish anti-goyishness)

Take away the more blatant Talmudic aspects and European spiritual beliefs, and what are you left with? A Middle Eastern Semitic faith that is alien to the European soul.

You can see this in how Lutheranism's primary base, the Northern Germanic countries,,(Germany, Scandinavia, etc.) are all Liberal shit holes with declining memberships (not to mention that Lutheranism is actually growing faster in African and Asian countries.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheranism_by_region

Hel, an earlier source provided by either you are someone in your camp calls out Lutheranism for what it is:

"Today, the Church of England and Lutheran churches are secularism at prayer. From teachings on life and marriage to women’s ordination, Northern European Protestant churches have made it seem that morality is something changeable. This makes such churches seem less credible."

http://www.thecatholicthing.org/2014/11/29/a-catholic-revival-in-northern-europe/ from >>8227

In fact, I blame Protestantism's break with Catholicism for the beginning of the erosion of traditional values, and paving the way for a more blatantly Judaic form of Christianity that has fed Liberalism and Evangelical Snake Cults alike.

So much for the best version of Christianity.

Back to the central point:

Heathens choose the particular point in history that they do due to the amount of well-preserved information to utilize for reconstruction. Simple as that.

Overall, I also view pre-Christian European worldview as a more purer expression of the European soul that is far less vulnerable to anti-nationalistic corruption than Christianity.

Speaking of which:

>>8305

>kek. activity between here and /r/asatru shows some incorrectness. The fact that every kindred I can find contact info on is a HAH affiliated kindred drives it home. The fact that traditionalism is preferred by new christian converts vindicates my point.

Wiccatru groups, like Wicca, have a univeralist core that has a LOT more common with Christianity than with actual pre-Christian thought, to the point that Wicca/Wiccatru is basically Judeo-Christianity with Pagan flavoring poured over top. In other words the Heathen/Pagan philosophical core did not become corrupted from an inherent flaw within it's paradigm: Wiccatruars had to literally import their Christian baggage into a New Age melting pot of a "faith" with surface level Pagan symbolism tacked on, in order to form their own corrupt version of Heathenry.

As for your anecdotal observations of Heathen Kindreds, if you wish to utilize anecdotal experience, very well, I shall utilize mine. The amount of black people I see in Catholic churches, as well as the nationalism ruining antics of your current Pope, along with the fact that I am willing to bet money on the fact that the "Traditionalist Youth" flocking to Latin masses are about as racially aware as your average Hippie, makes me not exactly tremble in the knees at the stats provided here: >>8227

Saying rituals in Latin again isn't going to be enough to turn Europe around.

Also, you have yet to address this point here:

>>8221

>Yes ideas, philosophies and technology develops, this doesnt mean that new developments are always good. By your logic, Eckhart Tolle and New Age Wiccan hippie shit is even more valid than Christianity. Why follow that your family did for the last thousand years? You can be worshiping the religion of NOW

>>8316

To further elaborate on this point:

>Wiccatru groups, like Wicca, have a univeralist core that has a LOT more common with Christianity than with actual pre-Christian thought, to the point that Wicca/Wiccatru is basically Judeo-Christianity with Pagan flavoring poured over top. In other words the Heathen/Pagan philosophical core did not become corrupted from an inherent flaw within it's paradigm: Wiccatruars had to literally import their Christian baggage into a New Age melting pot of a "faith" with surface level Pagan symbolism tacked on, in order to form their own corrupt version of Heathenry.

Real pre-Christian Heathen/Pagan belief involves things like hierarchy, tribalism, in-group vs. out-group, the family as the smallest unit of society, etc.

Listen to any Wiccan, or Wiccatruar expounding on their faith, and time and time again, you'll hear things like "universal brotherhood", "individualism", "equality" "inclusiveness," "we are all children of god/the goddess", "peace and love" etc.

A Christian or a Liberal could say the aforementioned buzzwords without any cognitive dissonance with their worldview (minus the goddess part.)

It makes perfect sense. Where do you think they got such ideas from in the first place?

Also, citing r/asatru as a representation of Heathenry as a whole? Really? You know damn well what Reddit is like. You might as well cite /pol/ as a representation of the dominance of National Socialism in mainstream politics.

>>8328

Not that it is going to convince any of the more hard headed people on here. But the people on this board are the first people to call me gook or jap or whatever. In normal society most people (White, black, Jap, Hispanic, etc) think I am white and treat me as such. It is only when I tell people I am part jap (I rarely ever do that irl because I do not associate with being Jap sometimes I even forget about it til a family member mentions it) that then they see a resemblance and even then they say it is really subtle and tell me they would not have know had I not told them.

People on here seem to think I walk around shunned by society wandering the earth as a half breed not fitting in. Where whites and japs both shun me as some sort of monster. But it is not that case at all. It is more like all the whites around me accept me as white and Japs just see me as some other gaijin. None are the wiser. This is what I meant when I said I was raised white. To everyone around me (even my friends and family who know I am part Jap) regard me as white. It is only on 8chan do I get regarded differently. Even a good friend of mine says I look mostly German but with some Jap features (which he was not able to see until I told him and he even said as such as well).

So yes I regard myself as white. I am 7/8s white was raised white never found any appeal in Japanese culture never related to it one bit. None of my living relatives spoke Japanese never met or saw a single relative wear a kimono. I grew up in a white suburb in Illinois never even met a single Japanese person until much later in my life. And even then if I tell a Japanese person that I am part Jap they don't believe me and regard me as some anime weeb shit (even though I hate anime).

>>8329

>I'm a passable trap, therefore I am female

>I can pass as white, therefore I am white

You are a slit eyed mongrel. Go ahead post your portrait so we can see your epicanthic folds again.

>I do not associate with being Jap

>I tell a Japanese person that I am part Jap

wew

>I even forget about [being part Jap]

Way to respect your ancestors, vikingboo. Even if others were to tolerate your mongrelhood, you betrayed your own charge of being asatru.

>>8339

>You are a slit eyed mongrel. Go ahead post your portrait so we can see your epicanthic folds again.

Lolz the pic I posted ages ago was taken by some person 10 feet away from me. You can barely see my eyes let alone good enough to tell if I have epicanthic fold. Secondly yes it is most common in Asians but has been found in Europeans as well (does not tell shit). You would know this if you got off of /pol/ and read a fucking book.

Also why don't you post a pic of yourself? Seem brave enough to insult others (over an anonymous image board) but you're not brave enough to post a pic?

>I do not associate with being Jap

>I tell a Japanese person that I am part Jap

>wew

Telling someone you are part Jap and associating as being Jap are two different things. I don't speak Japanese and when I have that check list that asks for your race/ethnicity (Trigger warning) I always check white (Trigger Warning). Nice reading comprehension.

>Way to respect your ancestors, vikingboo. Even if others were to tolerate your mongrelhood, you betrayed your own charge of being asatru.

I honor all my ancestors. I include all my ancestors when I perform blots. But I am not Japanese so I do not identify as such. But I suppose I should convert to Shintoism and betray 7/8s of my blood to appease 1/8 of my blood and you right?

I love the contradictory beliefs you guys have

>Cannot be white because you are only 7/8s

>Am only 1/8 Jap

>"Hurr Jap gook hurr Jap"

Lastly you must realize that you are only a drop in the bucket compared to the vast majority of white society who view me as white. Sorry man but everyone is not as nitpicky as you are (or do not care to be). But keep wasting your time.

And oh yeah why haven't you guys filtered me yet if you have a problem with me so much? Seems like you love the drama. You could easily avoid wasting so much thread space by just filtering me. I am sure others who come to this board (who take this religion seriously) love to see trolls sperg out on every thread spewing enough vitriol to fill a textbook.