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>>1360

Yeah I'm around page 170 now. It's a really damned good book and makes me think a lot about everything in it.

>>1362

what a shitty book

>>1374

ikr, but BSR wizard likes BSR material.

>>1374

>>1375

You people are just trolling me. It's a great book! You all say it's terrible but it's not! None of you explain what supposedly makes it awful. I'm on page 200 now btw.

>>1377

All unpractical books are useless.

>>1380

If you do not realize how practical it is to have a compilation of so many examples of studies and the details about them, then well I guess you're the type that needs clear step-by-step do this do that instructions. I'm not that type. I don't ever do the step-by-step shit. I need to look at examples of stuff already done and use the facts of the case to flesh out my theories and understanding further. This book has been great and confirmed many things for me. I don't regret it at all.

>>1381

If I read stories about great feasts performed by sorcerers I am not able to conclude how these feasts were performed. It is as useful as reading fantasy stories and playing video games.

>>1384

The observation of multiple related phenomena is the main way through which one may deduce general principles that allow the reproduction of said phenomena.

>>1385

if someone does Kuji-In infront of you and somehow disappear astrally and you're not focused on him, would you directly know how he did it?let assume a chaos magician did it with his servitor?a zen mediator merged himself with void?someone contacted metatron for invincibility?

can you know the general principle of their act without any concept or beliefs?

>>1387

Why wouldn't I be focused on him if I intend on understanding what is being done? And why are you reducing it to one single instance of each case?

Concepts are descriptions, and beliefs are personal convictions of the relative truth of a concept. With proper observation one acquires sufficient data through which a concept is formulated and a belief is developed.

Once a phenomenon is abstracted it's possible to apply the concept to several concrete cases of its manifestation. If causes are identified then one may replicate them faithfully. But if one were to learn only by isolatedly considered experiences, he might fall for post hoc or cum hoc mistakes, and a slight change in the conditions of action might fail what was taken before as knowledge.

>>1388

alright man, I myself balance between the step-by-step and the theoretical mumbo jumbo shit you do.

enjoy your armchair occultist book.

>>1384

>If I read stories about great feasts performed by sorcerers I am not able to conclude how these feasts were performed. It is as useful as reading fantasy stories and playing video games.

If you read them and you pay attention to details like "did they use emotion, was trance used, etc." and compare it to theory you figure it out. When you examine a large body of this, you deduce what is merely dressing that can be discarded (stuff they wrongly attribute their power to) versus what is the real source of power.

>>1388

>But if one were to learn only by isolatedly considered experiences, he might fall for post hoc or cum hoc mistakes, and a slight change in the conditions of action might fail what was taken before as knowledge.

I intensely examine large bodies of knowledge in the way of reading examples, reading theories, and practise. I do everything. I'm tired of being put down for being an "armchair magician". A lot of people go to university to study for 4 years or more before they begin their actual career. I'm just about to finish the third year of study for me. After this much more practise is a lot more likely.

>>1389

That anon isn't OP you know.

I have finished reading the book, completely, all I have left now is Franz Bardon's books to read.

>>1399

WHEN DID YOU START READING SORCERY ??

>>1400

2-3 weeks ago

>>1399

How many books did he write? I thought reading those was your top priority. Shouldn't you have finished those first?

>>1405

I have been reading IIH for like 2 or more years now but I only read up to next part and then I do it and then read next part.