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Best version of the bible?

What's the best version of bible? As in the most accurately translated without Christfags trying to bend the translation to fit some interpretation? I'd like to find one translated by by scholars who were Atheists if that's even possible.

Take a controversial passage and look it up Almost every translation will butcher it. But if you get an accurate translation it can be a clear sign of polytheism in the Old Testament. Ex) Deuteronomy 32:8…

>When the Most High (Elyon, i.e., El) gave the nations their inheritance,

when he separated humanity,

he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings,

for Yahweh's portion is his people,

Jacob his allotted heritage.

(Wikipedia uses this version, which comes from a Septuagint variant. In some translations divine beings is rendered as sons of god, the nKJV uses angels, and translations from the 10th century Masoretic texts use children of Israel. Christians get to casually pick and choose the translations and annotations they want to believe in, but any Atheist who wants to seriously understand the evolution of the godhood should seek out the most literal translations and then understand what the terms really mean. That level of rigor is not for casual gamers.)

Terrorist Attack in Brussels, Belgium

Looks like Belgium got culturally enriched.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/europe/brussels-explosions/

Is there a good website or resource to direct people to when they post the especially shit arguments. The "But look around you, all this couldn't be from chance" arguments.

I seriously wonder if these people really think they're going to change their mind with that crap. Like in the last few hundred years, no one looked around them and thought everything was beautiful and that they were the first to uncover this grand mystery.

Scientific discoveries obstructed by religion

We could've had this massive 30 meter telescope in Hawaii except the native Hawaiians didn't stop protesting for 7 years until it was canceled. They didn't want construction to desecrate the resting place of their gods who sleep at the top of the mountain.

ya down wit atheism dawg ?

>Daw-dawg is down widdit

First there was satan and then there was The Satan

What arguments most convinced you when you were a theist?

Life Expectancy

Does it bother you that Atheists are less likely to live as long as religious nuts (at least in America)? Particularly when you compare Hitchken's "Fuck it, I want a cigarette" attitude to the long-lived 7th Day Adventists in Loma Linda, California?

I prayed today. Just out of desperation.

Am I losing my mind?

inconsequential hypothetical question thread

You have a choice, /atheism/. You have an option to go back in time to any place on the planet between 6,000 and 12,000BCE. There is no coming back. You will die there. Probably young and of some era-appropriate ailement.

Despite this, you will have a mission that you have been guaranteed by the people sending you will work: to educate primitives on science and other subjects, jump-starting modern ideas on science/technology and retarding the growth of religion in this general region (probably en masse). We'll also assume that you will be taught whatever language the locals use and receive training on the culture of the group that you're going to teach.

1. Do you accept? Is it worth your modern life to know that you will push forward technology by thousands of years and possibly prevent the spread of institutionalized religion?

2.When/where would you go? What group would have the strategic clout to make this goal most viable?

3.What would you bring for education/personal use, such as a cell phone with a solar charger or an e-reader? What about something that would create strong initial impressions on the people you're sent to?

Is there a relationship between superior intellect euphoria and number of fedoras worn?

How do you guys break the infinite regression that so often comes with talking to a theist about the universe? It always falls into

>well gud dun made thuh unavurse

>who made god?

>god always been man

>and the universe couldn't have?

or something like that. Is there no way to correctly illustrate that a god is just adding another step to the equation?

Is the US ready for its first confirmed 'not particulary religious' non-Christian president?

What does this mean for irreligious people across America?

Swaggy Gods behaving badly

When Zeus first set eyes upon Aphrodite he tried to seduce her.

Could Bill Clinton be the modern manifestation of Zeus and Hillary is his bitchy wife? Did Bill Clinton try to seduce his daughter?

Religious people you respect.

Darth Vader is the only religious person I respect.

Has anyone noticed the surge of christfags on the various chans lately? even in 2012 most people were still atheist despite fedora memes

What are some fine examples of wacky shit?

I'm still contemplating this thing called rumpology, or how to make money tampering butts.

Why do European Christians feel the need to follow a Jewish savior and a religion based from the Middle East while at the same time tries to distinguish themselves from its people and culture? It seems much easier just to slay our cultural ties with the ME. When Christianity came and infested Europe, the area went through a large intellectual decline and only recovered when we started investing more in the sciences rather than religion.

Also, who is your favorite Nord and why is it Varg?

Philosophy, Not Science Or Logic

I know this is long; I appreciate it if you take the time to read this thoughtfully

I was recently reading Sam Harris' Waking Up. In it, he discusses the time he spent in Nepal and India practicing meditation under Hindu and Buddhist gurus. Harris details how disciplining one's own power of concentration can bring a person to the point where the "illusion of self" is dissipated. This is apparently a powerful and life-changing event for the user, and Harris insists that the reader not underestimate the impact of this occurrence.

This very same state of consciousness can also be achieved during church & mosque services, as well as prayer, via abandoning oneself in subordination to God and "feeling the spirit". Whether this state is reached through being trained by a guru or giving in to a well-orchestrated mass, this feeling of transpersonal expansion almost always occurs within a religious context.

Thus, when this life-changing moment occurs, it is just about inevitable for the initiate to attribute this unprecedented ecstasy to a wisdom held by the authorities who made his/her euphoria possible. This wisdom of course, is attributed by the learned figures to subscription to the doctrines of the faith they attest. The initiate, feeling floored by the intensity of the experience, cannot help but lend his/her credulity over to the new faith.

To me, this explains very well the vigor with which faith communities have not only withstood the otherwise incontrovertible ascension of atheism to the throne of truth, but in addition, can reliably perpetuate themselves into the future with no end in sight. It explains why a collection of Bronze Age stories can retain hegemony in the practitioners' minds despite the otherwise irresistible onslaught of sound atheistic proofs and arguments.

So what if some pretentious theories of cosmology, biology, reasonable thought and so on apparently call out your faith as bunk? After all, you've felt God enter your heart, you've glimpsed the boundary of enlightenment and perfect understanding.

It just isn't enough for atheism to be true objectively; it is inestimably more important that it be true subjectively.

For most of my life, I have been an agnostic-deist. Only for the past few years have I confidently called myself a full-fledged atheist with no chance of going back, and it has been wholly due to my amateur study of continental philosophy. The existentialists, such as pic related, appreciated the gravity of living in a world without higher purpose. They devoted themselves to assisting the user in guiding himself through his own perspective in a sober manner.

Our theist rivals have opened their flocks to the wild phantasms of a false transcendence. All we have countered them with are protests mired in, to the converted, sidereal and trivial obsessions of the godless. Give them instead the manual to live bravely and transparently with their own selves.

atheists are so certain

You can't 100 percent prove you're mortal unless you've died. You can't prove anything will happen until it does but deep down you still have faith.

Tropes in the bible

"Checkhov's gun" means not including unnecessary elements in a story. You don't detail what will happen if you eat of the tree in Eden unless you're foreshadowing that you will use the tree later in the story. Jesus told Peter he will deny him 3 times as foreshadowing, except Christians call the trope prophecy.

This isn't proof that events didn't flow from one to another, but it makes sense for these stories to have become streamlined in the retellings. We don't even know the little details such as how Jesus looked or talked, or what David's palace or the pharoh's palace looked like. The writing is usually told by an omniscient narrator, and yet it is very simple, and not very photographic compared to a modern English novel. Less detail makes for a faster story, but it also makes the creator of the universe aloof, as though neither he nor Moses saw human characters as particularly distinct from each other.

The bible is full of characters that interact without faces or jewelry. Why doesn't God care to accurately educate us about ancient history, pharoh, or how the Egyptians dressed and what they wrote? Checkhov's gun means dropping a few verifiable facts about Egyptians to convert future archaeologists and appease our curiosity was less important than the including more lying wives and drama.

What's your opinions on religion or references to religion in films? What makes these references good or bad?

For me a bad reference is when it doesn't go anywhere or add to anything. Prometheus is a prime example where the main character finds out that humans were made by those space jokey/engineers and then the whole philosophical subject was dropped after she said "I choose to believe."

Hypnosis

Does this board believe hypnosis is real? From what I've read I think its fake, or that involuntary behavioral modification through the power of suggestive words is impossible. Maybe if you had some rare form of brain damage it might work though.

I had a High School teacher who claimed her psychologist professor hypnotized her at a party at a house and made her do a lot of crap she didn't remember, but I think she was just a drunk Theist who believed in woo. Popular culture totally believes in it though, and you can earn a living recording tracks or softly whispering in ears, "eat less" or "love your man more."

Why do you people hate God?

I don't know what happened to make you so angry at God, but I just want to let you know that God still loves you very much. I hope you can all overcome your blind hatred someday and find happiness and peace. Good luck, I'll be praying for you!

What's the most ridiculous contrary to fact passage in any holy book you know of? The kind that even scientific illiterates wouldn't scratch their heads over.

You're the pope now

What would you do? Do you tell people it's all a lie and watch the world burn? Do you keep religion but update the morality? Or do you quietly manage the steady decline of the church?

Can you fedora faggots stop shilling on /pol/ and other boards, here or halfchan? You faggots annoy everyone around you and you had to create a hugbox board just to get away from the BTFOing

>https://8ch.net/pol/res/5262909.html#q5263714

>tfw a nihilist atheist in bible college

>tfw a major player at my college, SRC, etc

>told daily that god flows through me

>people kiss up to me by telling me how much they pray/fast

>Spend most of my time playing Dark Arisen and going to the gym

I feel guilty, but should I?

I am only here so I can go and build houses in foreign countries and it's the easiest way to do it…but I feel like I'm manipulating them.

Replace a word

Christian and the pussy cats

It's always a choice

I have a question regarding homosexuality.

You guys believe that homosexuals are born that way and that homosexuality isn't a choice right?

Think of this scenario:

You are in a family.

Your parents have 5 childrens. 1 boy, the youngest is you then the rest of your siblings are all girls.

Now my point here is, since all of your siblings are girls, the chance of you being gay is high.

Being gay is all about being influenced. You wouldn't be gay or the chance is low if all of your siblings are men or at least not entirely consists of girls.

Let's try another analogy. E.g you grew only befriending girls. There's a high chance you'll end up being homosexual.

This is my reasoning on why being homosexual is always a choice.

Atheist Podcast

I need some background noise while working on art. Are there any good podcasts related to atheism to listen to?

it's all downhill from here

Scary thought: what if this is the apex of rationality. Arahamic religions are so old and they are relatively easy to disprove. What if another more convincing religion gains popularity the moment people leave Christianity in droves? All you would need is for advanced aliens to inexplicably bombard the Earth twice in forty years and you would have widespread superstition as humanity forever tried to rationalize the actions of higher forces.

Why has sentinence been the only significant replacement for the soul? People have many characteristics. Why has only one been consistently considered the most important?

Religious Fails.

Please post Religion propaganda fails.

Art, slogans, videos, whatever.

I love it when messages go awry and become laughable.

Academic freedom

To what degree should professors and teachers be allowed to speak their mind and share their views, on religion or in general?

What do you think about metaphysics? Mental masturbation or fundamental study of reality?

Why are you guys pro-abortion? I normally agree with atheists, but abortion seems wrong to me.

literal christcucks

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3255498/Women-FLDS-forced-pregnant-seed-bearers-husbands-hold-hands-watch-claims-former-wife-current-church-leader-Lyle-Jeffs.html

>'Seed bearers' are men selected by the church to have sex with women while the husbands of the women sit in the room holding their hand

Religion shows its true colors. Couldn't be more out in the open about it. Not only do you cuck your life to a skywizard but now they want your wife too. Hahahahahaha.

Female atheists

Why are there so few of them?

Most religions aren't very good to them. The holy books usually gives them shitty roles.(traitors and whores) They usually can't get into the high ranks of the churches.

But most atheists are men and the majority of actual churchgoers are women. (Even if you consider that women getting older.)

Why?

Atheistic Literature

Let's compile a list.

Starting off with some classics:

>Neurophilosophy, Patricia Churchland

>The Selfish Gene, Richard Dawkings

>The Ego and His Own, Max Stirner

>Principia Discordia

One sign of a fundamentalist is that they can't name conditions for proofs that would change their minds.

What proof would you accept for these claims?

>Some god must be real.

>We can know a specific god exist.

>Humans do have immortal souls

>People need religion to build a lasting and stable society.

Documentaries

Are there any good documentaries on atheism and religion? Or science or something?

Fact And Fiction

Children can better distiguish between real and fictious stories when they weren‘t raised on religion.

>In two studies, 5- and 6-year-old children were questioned about the status of the protagonist embedded in three different types of stories. In realistic stories that only included ordinary events, all children, irrespective of family background and schooling, claimed that the protagonist was a real person. In religious stories that included ordinarily impossible events brought about by divine intervention, claims about the status of the protagonist varied sharply with exposure to religion. Children who went to church or were enrolled in a parochial school, or both, judged the protagonist in religious stories to be a real person, whereas secular children with no such exposure to religion judged the protagonist in religious stories to be fictional. Children's upbringing was also related to their judgment about the protagonist in fantastical stories that included ordinarily impossible events whether brought about by magic (Study 1) or without reference to magic (Study 2). Secular children were more likely than religious children to judge the protagonist in such fantastical stories to be fictional. The results suggest that exposure to religious ideas has a powerful impact on children's differentiation between reality and fiction, not just for religious stories but also for fantastical stories.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cogs.12138/abstract

Now I know why my Mennonite neighbors wouldn't let their children read Harry Potter.

Religions are constantly changing to accommodate modern values. Recently the Catholic Church has declared that unbaptised babies go to Heaven rather than limbo. Why? Because they said they do, regardless of the writings and knowledge of the many Catholic scholars in the past.

How long until the concept of Hell itself becomes too taboo to hold on to? Some minor religious sects come up with weasel definitions for it (Being separate from God, however that's supposed to feel) but how long until it would be the minor sects preaching the whole eternal torment thing?

New Maddox video, heathen shitlords.

Aron Ra

An infidel in Dubai invited him for a vacation in Dubai. Have you watched any videos by the guy who dresses like a middle-aged rocker that's going through an identity crisis?

Freedom

And they'll tell you that christianity isn't a threat to freedom. They're like muslims. They try to act all benign when they're in public to hide their evils but in their own little safespace they admit they're wanting to kill you, rape your women, make laws about you not having two chicks at the same time and all sorts of bullshit. Never forget, we always have to watch out for these freedom-fucking fascist faggots. I served my country so these people could say they want to kill us but I damn well didn't serve so these fascists could make laws inhibiting the freedoms of myself and others.

Never forget, freedom isn't free. It's something we have to continuously fight for.

Using godly names for mundane things

I was out walking and I heard a guy say, "Stop it Zeus! Come here!" and this little terrier stopped sniffing dog piss or whatever and trotted over with its tongue lolling. I'd rather name my dog Yahweh or Jesus and be a lord that barks commands to it in front of theists.

If I have a daughter asherah or Lilith would be an appropriate name. My son would be Alastor, Ares, or Susanou. My cat would be Sphinx, Nemesis, Lucifer. Or I might just keep it consistant and name all my kids after Egyptian gods. It beats keeping the tradition of recycling hebrew names for regular humans like Adam, Issac, Jacob, Josh, Peter, Michael and Luke.

We should appropriate all the religious words we can to remove their holiness. Amen just means I agree so use it in debates. Try to use Jesus Christ as a swear word so it replaces "bullshit" in future slang.

Separation of Church and State

In 2016 why do we still have chaplains opening the debates in congress? President James Madison himself said this was a violation of the principle of separation of church and state.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplain_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives

Would President George Washington be considered an Atheist today? president Thomas Jefferson indicated George Washington didn't believe in that system, and if you asked him the confirm that he was a Christian he would dodge the directly answering that question unlike politicians today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_George_Washington#Eyewitness_accounts

Washington himself didn't take communion at church and said he had never done so.

http://infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_3.html

>The Rev. Dr. Wilson, who was almost a contemporary of our earlier statesmen and presidents, and who thoroughly investigated the subject of their religious beliefs, in his sermon already mentioned affirmed that the founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected – George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and Andrew Jackson – not one had professed a belief in Christianity.

Alarming News, fams

Richard Dawkins taken to hospital after suffering stroke on eve of Australia and New Zealand tours

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/richard-dawkins-taken-hospital-after-suffering-stroke-eve-australia-new-zealand-tours-1543463

>Richard Dawkins has cancelled a planned tour of Australia and New Zealand after suffering a stroke, his management said. The 74-year-old author of The God Delusion was taken to hospital on 6 February.

>His management said he has already returned home and is expected to make "a full or near full recovery". But they said the renowned biologist and staunch atheist would be unable to travel to Australia and New Zealand for a planned tour.

My other favorite horseman's health is declining.

>25 active users

I don't actually see this as a bad thing.

Churches & religious imagery

A woman who was dying of cancer guilt tripped us into going to this Catholic church that was built in the 90's for her 45th wedding renewal vows. Does this even look like a church?

I seek your advice, /atheism/!

Recently I experienced occasions of respects towards people's religious views despite considering myself to be an educated and shepherdless individual free from the shackles of dogmatic indoctrination. May I in the end just be one of them, one of the inferior kin begging for guidance by imaginary masters?

kekd

Astronomy thread

So astronomers found hundreds of new galaxies the other day hidden behind the dust of the milky way, further indicating that Earth isn't in a special part of the universe. But I love how Theists marvel at how we seem to be at the center of the universe because stars go in all directions. They don't understand that's the center of the observable universe, not the universe. There would be a similar feeling while looking out at the stars from any other place in the universe, and we don't know whether there are stars even further out, because from where we are we cannot see what we cannot see.

How can anyone actually be a Christian?

If I where convinced that Christianity where real it would be horrifying. Think about it, billions of people are probably going to hell. Unless you take a very modern and liberal interpretation of the bible, witch to be honest is due to modern religious pluralistic societies, not the most natural reading of the bible.

Nowadays pretty much everyone has at least one friend or relative who is a non Christian and they are probably going to hell. How could you sleep at night knowing they are probably going to suffer forever. Not to mention why would a Christian ever do anything other spread the gospels. It is a massive waste of time and the only rational act would be to preach to you drop. Anything else is a waste of time when you consider that fact that the rewards or punishments last forever, all earthly activity is just a distraction.

Where is this?

People are more likely to vote for a muslim than an atheist.

Muslims crashed a plane into a building and killed thousands to earn that kind of antipathy…

All atheists did was hurt some feelings.

http://biblehub.com/luke/11.htm

38But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.
39Then the Lord said to him, "Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness.
40You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?
41But now as for what is inside you--be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

I'm sorry, but I can't believe in a religion where the creator of all biology in the universe is unaware of germ theory.

hey free will fag, if free will do real why can't i get stupid songs out of my head?

inb4 subconsciously you want it there

so something beyond my control controls what i want? so much for free will

The whole fedora/neckbeard thing

I have noticed that in recent years that everytime atheism is brought the immediate assumption is that all atheists are just trying to be "edgy" and just live in their mom's basement. Aside from that being an ad hominen and not an argument, where did this come from? It's annoying cause it's like "Of course I am no an atheist because religion makes outrageous claims with no physical evidence, it's because I am trying to be cool!"

It's like people are constantly making up the silliest stereotypes for atheists. First we eat babies and now this. Also the whole "Atheists force their views down peoples throat" is a lie. Telling people why I am an atheist when they bring up the topic of religion is not forcing it down peoples throats.

I mean, what do you guys think? It just amazes me how atheists are still demonized, just in different ways. I have to admit, not saying its persecution and I need reparations, just a pet peeve of mine.

Why do SJWs hate Athiests?

God's god

Assuming there is a god, would he make up his own god to escape from reality like humans did? What sort of god would a powerful god want to believe in? Even superheroes would rather believe there are super-superheroes who are stronger than them out there to help them, like batman wanting to believe in superman.

I think an omnipotent god would create a very sophisticated theology about a universe before this one to explain his own existence. And omniscience wouldn't matter, because he would know there was no way of knowing that he knew everything, including how he came into being. He would probably create a Descartes Demon to explain how there would be things that he couldn't know, outside of the time and universe that he had been "born" into. Everything I said rests on the assumption God has emotions similar to a human, but if he's not then all bets are off the table: his god could either be a reasonable one, or one of pure malice.

Tell us your personal story

/atheism/ this is /leftypol/, I feel we are very similar. We are both massively misunderstood, especially on 8chan. and we are both smaller than our "opposite" boards.

Threads like this >>173 we get all the time as well.

I just wanted to say keep on going strong.

plus we have a fedora flag.

bengali community atheism preachers call for event showcasing public display of affection, islamists

https://www.facebook.com/events/515631988598247/ event in question

https://www.facebook.com/noyonchatterjee/posts/555572684608776:0 islamist post villifying the event while ironically advertising the event.

The cargo cult and other wacky religions

The Militant agnostic

Don't these guys piss you off? They're Atheists who refuse to be called Atheists, and fight other Atheists and Anti-Theists while taking a "holier than thou" attitude to both Theists and Atheists. In short they're natural trolls who fight Atheists in the name of "tolerance."

https://coelsblog.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/militant-fundamentalist-agnostics-and-the-meaning-of-atheism/

If you can be characterized by the definition of a word, then you should rightfully accept your label instead of saying, "I'm totally agnostic." I'm irritated with black science guy for making people misapropriate the term. This is the kind of guy who would be angry if someone even mentioned that he was black.

Have you ever read Christology?

Richard Dawkins

Is anyone else angry about the backlash Richard is getting for… everything? He is one of the popular atheists in the media that isn't a lying piece of shit and has actually done good research through his life, and he is not afraid to tell something about SJWs. He debated with muslims too, something that others don't do, like that trashman who is afraid to talk about islam.

But Richard is living in UK and actually debated muslims, and he also calls the bullshit on feminism. Recently there was an ad for a prayer from the church of england that was supposed to play after a movie but it was banned, but you he did strongly disagree with the ban. He knows that even is religions are bullshit, christianity is less of a threat and everybody should rather be christian than muslim, if they were to have a religion.

Even when he talked shit about that clockboy ahmed, everybody was angry towards him because he isn't oh so progressive. He still called out the bullshit but the result of this is that every stupid progressive site says "mean dawkins does not represent atheists" because they want to protect islam, feminism and all that.

So in this era of SJWs, feminism and islam, I'm quite pissed off that the one that people apparently hate even on this site is him, and not some other atheists instead who are actual SJWs.

tl;dr he debated muslims, calls out on feminism, supports christianity even if he doesn't like religion, calls out on other sjw bullshit, everyone here shits on him

Your prophet, Richard Dawkins, a white supremacist?

http://archive.is/M5v38

Why am I not surprised.

Reincarnation > Heaven

Let's have a discussion of reincarnation.

Personally, I would rather be reincarnated infinitely than to live for eternity in heaven, because in heaven I would always have the same personality. In Buddhism I could be reborn as a poor man, a mafia prince, a a gold digger, a cheerleader, a slut, a pimp, a porn star, a famous actor, a solider, a ranger, an admiral, a housewife, an engineer, a slave, a star-ship pilot, or an artist. I could even be born as a dog, a bird, or an alien.

Each birth would give you a new personality, and you could be well mannered and humble in one life, and reprehensible in another. It would be fun to be inclined towards different thoughts and feelings depending on your biological body and the time and place you were born in. And then as a Buddhist, you would occasionally be able to remember them and learn from memories of your past lives.

In the Christian heaven once you die you are removed from having new Earthly experiences forever. Your personality is permanently sealed up, and you are lobotomized so you can praise God forever in heaven.

Isn't Buddhism more evocative? Doesn't it lend itself to more imaginative stories than Christianity?

Sin and evolution

How do non creationist Christians reconcile the idea of sin and evolution? According to Genesis man brought sin to the world and thats why the world is fallen and is all nasty. But with evolution this makes no sense. The world was already fallen and full of sin before humans where even on the scene. I would even say mankind is "fallen" because this world was built fallen not the other way around. People do evil things because it is sometimes a necessary result of survival of the fittest. People will put their own interest(and that of their kin) over the greater good or what reason tells us is moral because that is how your going to survive and reproduce often.

People aren't sinning as a rebellion against God or because of our evil nature(witch is odd because wouldn't that imply God gave us our evil nature?) but because often our biology compels us to do so. If God didn't want people to be some horny and cheat all the time then maybe shouldn't have used natural selection to design us witch favors those who spread their genes the most and not those who stay loyal to their partner. Of course im simplifying it a bit because being a pure selfish asshole would go against natural selection but you get my point.

Even if you say its not God's fault we are sinners, how is it ours? Human behavior is a response to natural selection, witch presumably is under the control of God if your a theist. There never was a chance for us not to be sinners, God made us this way and then demands that we beg for forgiveness for not living up to a standard thats impossible for us to live up to.

Einstein and Atheism

It's irritating how commonly Einstein is badly misrepresented, including on wikipedia where he is called a Pantheist. When you dig into it, he only said he believed in Spinoza's god (a sort of permeating natural order) because it was so politically dangerous to be an Atheist in those days, and he was concerned with how he as a public figure would affect Jews in their plight with the Nazis. He repeatedly says in private letters he is an Atheist, or agnostic, but distances himself from millitant Atheists because he believes that some people still need religion.

https://coelsblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/einstein-the-atheist-on-religion-and-god/

Shitty people venerated by the Catholic Church

Charlesmagne is considered "blessed" (one step below saint), but it seems like he caused unprovoked wars and killed hundreds of pagans in a single day, among other things. Do you guys know about other cases such as this?

So…why did you become an atheist? Is there any story behind it?

0.0% of Icelanders 25 years or younger believe God created the world, new poll reveals

>Iceland seems to be on its way to becoming an even more secular nation, according to a new poll. Less than half of Icelanders claim they are religious and more than 40% of young Icelanders identify as atheist. Remarkably the poll failed to find young Icelanders who accept the creation story of the Bible. 93.9% of Icelanders younger than 25 believed the world was created in the big bang, 6.1% either had no opinion or thought it had come into existence through some other means and 0.0% believed it had been created by God.

http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/00-icelanders-25-years-or-younger-believe-god-created-world-new-poll-reveals

Would you?

I am going to sit through a church service because I get dinner at a nice restaurant afterwards.

Is this a shameful compromise of my principles as an atheist or just a free dinner?

Does anyone here have an easier time befriending and enjoying the company of religious folks rather than other atheists?

It's really a problem for me; other atheists I meet IRL have nothing in common with me (and even repulse me), apart from our shared stances on religion. As long as I avoid bringing up my objections in a conversation with the religious, or as long as they don't press me to explain my objections if they already know I'm an atheist, I otherwise have a pleasant time with the supermajority of them.

Pic related; perhaps he was a smart fellow, but every video and audio recording of him I've ever come across has conveyed to me that he was an asshole.

Nichiren Buddhism

http://youtu.be/NzsmQ4Crb0w

This video on Nichiren was a good 30 minute review. I perceive the history and doctrines of it to have developed parallel to Christianity im almost every way, and it was this eastern religious sect that practically single-handedly destroyed my faith that Christianity could be the true religion.

It has prophecies, end times, the apocalypse, hell, sectarianist violence, a "new testament" by a Charismatic leader, a "protestant reformation", fundamentalism/reinterpretation, souls, prayer to one "god" (Buddha), salvation by faith alone, pseudo-monotheism, esoteric secrets (upaya), and persecution by the government which created a persecution complex myth.

Its the ultimate challenege for any Christian who believes their religion is unique, but researches it deeply enough. I'm particularly interested in rereading the spicy scriptures on mappo (which is their version of revelation/the apocalypse,) because it reminds me of mapo tofu.

It is sad that more Christians have not even heard of Nichiren. It contains strong arguments against the uniqueness of Christianity, and since it arose in 12th century Japan there is no chance any of it could be influenced by Christianity. It is the religious equivilent to anagolous evolution in biology.

Something different..

As a change of pace. lets discuss something that the religion or religious organizations have done that actually has value.

Explain how the phenomenon of sentient life exists in relation to the first law of thermodynamics WITHOUT the existence of an extradimentional soul

Protip: you can't

Why Monotheism?

How is it that the faith of Jehovah was able to suplant the various Paganisms? What is the psychological appeal of a single all powerful god whose staring you down 24/7? Why would anyone give up the social and personal liberties of alcohol, pork, graven images and fapping so they can have an angry dad in the sky constantly making rules for no reason?

Robespierre did nothing wrong.

Prove me wrong.

Aliens and religion

Wtf God is Evil

Are you a smarter than a God?

A city of people is doing something that you think is wrong and that probably isn't good for them. You would like them to change their behavior. What do you do?

A. Take on a form that will respond to, appear to them and explain to them how things could be better if they adopted your ideas.

B. Appear to one hermit in the desert, and ask him to wander into their town, ragged and barefoot to carry your message to them.

Who else is ritual atheist here? I don't believe I'm any gods becuase its unscientific, but the way I see it is that religion can be useful as a manner of keeping ethnogroups intact and preserving European culture.

I'll take it a step further and suggest that neopaganism.is the ideal faith to preserve European values because it promotes the Faustian individualism that makes western culture unique. Figures such as Seigfried and Prometheus offer an individualistic alternative to figures such as Christ or Muhammad because pagan heroes promote an individuals will to power, rather than servitude of the collective. Abrahamic religion is essentially Bolshevist in its assertion we are all equal before God.

Discuss

My /christian/ wife is reading this as part of her apologetics class in "college". Wanna have some laughs, /atheism/?

The religion of peace is at it again.

LOL niggers

ADVERT

Hey, /atheism/. You all seem like you love knowledge. Why not come on down to /philosophy/ to speed up the board with some logical shitposting? There's no gods stopping you, amiright?

Fuck Faggots

Catholic guy here and I don't give a fuck about you edgy nerds "that one kid sitting in the back of the classroom clenching his fists thinking everyone is inferior to him."

If being a faggot isn't a choice then how do you explain those faggots suddenly becoming straight, vice versa.

It's always a choice to suck dick you faggots.

>be "islamophobic" atheist

>only other people calling islam out for the death cult it is are right-wing christians

>comparing the bible and quran and saying the bible is a book of peace

>mfw

LOL, humanists bending over for religion as usual.

Feels good being a "New Atheist" shitlord who isn't scared to be unjustly called racist because I actually can call someone out despite them being brown.

Atheism is a brain disease

The first step towards the cure is admitting you have a problem.

Lately I've seen this image floating around 8chan.

This has got to be one of the most illogical strawman pictures I've seen in a long fucking time, and everytime I respond to said picture, no one ever responds back, probably because they want to disregard it im guessing. It feels like as time goes on, things are shifting into a more red vs blue black and white way of thinking. I mean sure, this has been a thing since the dawn of man…but it feels like those higher up in society are trying to kick stuff up into high gear again, be it shit like democrat vs republican, SJW vs Anti-SJW and whenever moderates try to speak their own oppinion, they often get shouted down. I absolutely hate seeing these groups of people getting into flame wars with each other, often spewing emotional statements that are probably unwillingly intended to disregard the opposing persons response (like the infamous you don't care about women vs you dont care about human lives abortion argument) and generally spewing the stuff media networks and other factors have put into their minds. It feels so repetitive sometimes to hear these people duke it out.

I mean fuck, it doesn't take a god fearing conservative to see that some of the SJW movement is distructive and dangerous. But at the same time, not every feminist out there is batshit insane, it's usually the ones that spend their time blogging about it on tumblr and twitter that actually are. Also who gives a shit if someone is gay, or decides to do wierd shit with their body? It's their life, just don't expect me to beleive they are actually a fucking tree trapped in a humans body, or actually black. With transgender people it actually makes sense because in some cases their brain is more like the gender they feel like, so changing shit actually does help them. Doesn't mean that it clears them of all their emotional and mental problems, partly because most of these people have fucked up lives as a result of their past confusion and their friends/loved ones reaction to their transformation. Every transgender person I have ever met has some degree of crazyness, but not all of them are bad people like 8chan seems to think. I've met good ones, and exceptionally crazy bad ones, all because I befriended one and eventually got in their circles.

That wall of text was mostly to explain why im kindof moderate on this shit. But back on topic Is there something im missing? Or is society going to tear itself apart with this us vs them shit? I can accept being a retard who doesn't know jack shit about this because at least maybe if I'm wrong there is a possible slither of hope for the future.

Is space the new relgion?

I have noticed that they are a lot of people who practically worship the idea of space travel and have this insane faith that science will solve all their problems in the future.

They have a manifest destiny like idea that we have to go to space.

Shouldn't they know better. After all science tells us it's impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, and those distant stars are hundreds if not thousands of light years away.

You're not going there. No one is.

I've created /objectivism/

Post if you wish.

>>>/objectivism/

>Look at the world around you, do you really think this all came by complete accident?

Shit arguments thread.

Dogmatic Philosophies like Objectivism

What are /atheism/'s thoughts on "new philosophies" like Objectivism? Here you have a school of thought that tries to be all comprehensive, even to the point of derisively shunning contradictory outside ideas. Believers of this philosophy meet At ann rand institutes or form cliques to discuss her verbose books in detail, not unlike a bible study.

The author also had an affair with a younger man when she was married and convinced her husband to accept her love was supported by "Objectivism", similiar to when Joseph Smith told his wife God told him to cheat on her. She also threatened professors who tried to critique her work with lawsuits like a coward, thereby not allowing her to improve her theories while she was alive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

Our unavoidable elitism?

I'm starting to develop an elist air against Christians, or a prejudice tbh. I don't want to seriously debate or affiliate with people who possess a model of the world that is below average. I don't want to waste time giving serious thought to the conclusions of people who have already been proven to be unwilling to confront their ideas.

It's not even a matter of enjoying how wrong they are, it's a matter of them having nothing to offer when my view is more nuanced. Whenever they start talking about politics, or economics, or the healthy diet that's been scientifically proven to be the best, I can't help but feel prejudice. I'm even prejudiced against their citations if they offer them.

I think: "If you can't even check the sources of your religion and possess the strength to admit you were wrong, then your mind is vulnerable to all kinds of dogma. Every conclusion you offer is now highly suspect. Get off your soapbox, your voice is just noise that's droning out the voices of reason."

Television and televised politics are also dumbed down to reach the lowest common denominator, with constant references to God, and are not worth my time. I want to lose the TV and live without cable news, and their dumb talking heads. I already don't play many games except Japanese Indie games, because major American games are full of uninspired fluff aimed at the largest audience. This kind of superiority complex can lead people to join cults, or stubbornly believe stupid things though, so I'm trying to decide how to deal with it.

Yup.

What's wrong with antisemitism anyway?

When the same word applies to disagreeing with a religion and advocating genocide that word becomes meaningless.

Religion and sex

A combo that doesn't go well together. But why? Almost all religions seem uniquely oppossed to sex. The abrahamic ones especially. The only one off the top of my head that has anything remotely positive to say about it would be hinduism. They wrote a manual for fucks sake.

But hinduism is not a world dominating religion. All the big proselytizing ones hate human genitalia. There must be some reason for this. Some advantage that comes with sex negativity when it comes to spreading ideology but I can't wrap my head around why.

It is bizarre, from a naturalist viewpoint, for such an intelligent species of ape with a reproduction system so keenly focused towards pleasure (some species aren't so lucky, felines for example) to have so many psychological hang ups and macabre rituals surrounding it. We even go so far as to cut off parts of our genitals so we don't enjoy it too much. What an odd and damaging viewpoint to hold.

Atheist Leftism

What is the origin of atheists being overwhelmingly leftists? Was it because the early traditional governments were closely tied to religious institutions, so they viewed tradition as being irrational and superstitious? Is it because many atheists came from religious background and felt anger towards "tradition"?

t. Agnostic Atheist

>2015

>People still think it's okay to have children

Respect

The end is nigh! Nigh I tell you!

How do you deal with those that are convinced the end of the world is near?

I have a well-off relative who spent on a whole bookshelf of Christian books on the end times. She gathered the family on Thanksgiving to tell us China is in the bible, and the current wars in the Middle East are signs that the final Armagedon will soon happen in Israel. It's not enough for her to be special because she is a true Christian who will dwell in heaven. In her mind she lives as one of the last humans of all time.

Some of these people buy canned food, water, or guns. Others stockpile gold like the Jehova Witness. They can't plan for a peaceful life because their mentality is stuck in survival mode.

I've also heard pastors saying they believed we lived at the end, and the local pastor offered bible studies on Revelation every Wednesday for nearly six months, which gave my Grandmother nutty ideas. (I should have gone along for laughs.) The devout pupils of "armagedonology" dwell at 8chan too.

https://8ch.net/christ/res/2058.html

LOL you faggot actually believe in "logic" and "science"? I thought you were against dogmas.

It is uncertain if reality as perceived through our sensory organs(?) is true.

It is uncertain if logic (or: any coherent set of axioms), reason, and mathematics are true.

How do I get over me fear of hell? I don't believe in Christianity or God or any religion. But the fear of hell still haunts me and I'm terrified that I've made the wrong choice and will suffer for it. Only the most liberal and wishful thinking reading of the bible avoids hell imo, and If the Bible really is the word of God, even the inspired/non literally then I(and many friends,colleagues and people I generally look up to) will suffer terribly.

Is there a "script" or a series of steps that leads to the conversion of a theist to an atheist?

Would it be unethical/annoying to use such a thing?

What environmental factors would render langauge a useful adaptation for self-cognizant entities wherein signifiers wouldn't be abused (i.e. lying) in order to gain an advantage over competitors? Wouldn't the ability to falsely signal hamper the utility of symbolic complexity?

What is the genesis of language /atheism/?

Where do signifiers of non-empirical nature originate?

Why would they be useful or repeated?

We are ascending

What kind of developments, if any, will there be from the rise of atheism in the west?

More mid-life crises, increase in drug use, etc?

Atheist morality

The religious say that Atheists have no moral compass and that atheists are amoral hedonist nihilists who are not be trusted.

What do you say?

I'm not saying it was aliens but...

Ben Carson made a mockery of his PHD. Forget choosing moderates; why are the republicans choosing candidates from the stupidest cults to lead now? Mitt Romney was a Mormons, and now Ben Carson is a SDA? I'm afraid these guys actually believe in their religion. Trump can't manage an economy either, and if it comes down to Jeb Bush vs Hillary I won't even vote.

Abortion

SJWs take on abortion is somewhat ethically problematic in the way they derail a serious debate.

What does /atheism/ think of neo-reactionaries and the alt right in general?

Fun with the relgious

Have you seen all "no fap" stuff?

All those Christians tormenting themselves with guilt about jerking off.. and when you ask them for a Biblical justification they give you this.

Leviticus 15

C and the Basis of Civilization: An Introduction to Biohistory #1

Are there any relgious figures worhy of respect

Sure.. they're wrong.

But maybe some of them actually do something worthwhile for other people.

(even if they're wrong about God)

Arguments against Abrahamic religions

When "debating" with Christians, you can expect the following forms of sophistry to be used on their behalf. Which's not suprising. Sophistry and Abrahamic religions, much like Jews and sophistry, go hand in hand. To quote Pope Pius XI from 1937 (note: this is *prior* to Vatican II): "Spiritually, we are all Semites".

(1) ad hominem attacks (which, interestingly enough, are *never* applied consistently to fellow Christians– only pagans, heretics, etc). Very childish.

(2) high IQ theological acrobatics (see: RCC / EO dogma. Argument by extension. The Bible says X, theologians will then say "based on X, we can assume Y", another theologeon will extend this again: "based on Y we can say Z", etc. Like how Christianity went from "blessed are the poor" to the assertion, by certain Calvainists, that one's personal wealth is correlative to their likelihood of being saved)

(3) deliberate vagueness in their assertions or arguements.

(4) accuse the opponent of ignorance but not backup with any evidence (if there is evidence, see #2).

(5) appeals to authority ("the church/bible is always right"– Muslims, Jews, Mormons and literally *all* Abrahamic religions make this claim. It's based entire on one's upbringing. No reasonable god would damn someone for adhering to what they were raised to believe, unless their god was unreasonable– which, many nominalists did/do actually assert, and which's *not* logically inconsistent).

(6) flat-out ignore accusations or counter-arguments (i.e., talking over the opposing party. Same as basic-bitch conservatards and libtards "debate" with one-another).

(7) pick out the weakest part of opponents argument and attack only those to draw attention away from the mainstay

(8) find any way possible to misconstrue the opponent's argument and attack that. I.e., attack the "accidental" qualities of the arguemend, rather than it's essential qualities.

(9) overly-simplistic analysis. For example: "that the left opposes the True Church(tm) is proof that it's correct". While at the same time, ignoring that the revolution eats it's own and that the left also opposes other forms of leftism. E.g., the USSR suppressed the Industrial Workers Of The World and various other leftist movements. This does not necessarily lend validity to the IWW's political platform.

Actually, this's generous. I've likely missed a few, but this post's already far too long as it is. You could go onto the "list of fallacies" Wikipedia article and all or almost all of them would likely apply. These're just the ones I've noted, off the top of my head, as being most occorant.

I just leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5LO5xs7uvY&spfreload=10

Miracles as the Proof of God?

Many Christians point to miracles such as incorruptible saints, Eucharistic miracles, and Blood Miracles to argue for the existence of God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Januarius#Blood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorruptibility#Saints

What say you /atheism/?

Philosophy Question.

Is human knowledge limited?

Are they things beyond human comprehension?

They last century or so has been pretty amazing for humans. All sorts of advancements. Disease have be eradicated,, a regular schmo in a developed country can have luxuries beyond the dreams of ancient kings.

Can this Progress continue forever?

How is it possible for somebody to be unironically religious on 8/4chan

Simple arguements against the existance of God.

I'll start.

Imagine that you have all of Superman's powers.. No matter how lazy and apathetic you were, sooner or later you'd do something extraordinary.

God is even more powerful.. yet never does anything at all.

Atheistic Music

8======D

>tfw Atheists are so stupid that they believe that faggots are born that way.

>tfw Atheism is just another religion but for faggots.

Atheist=Gaylords

Atheism on sexuality and taboos

Do you believe in preserving or abolishing taboos in general? (Sexual taboos include prohibitions on intermarriage, masturbation, incest, nudity, or making out in public); personally I think society would be more interesting if folks were allowed to be more openly promiscuous.

I especially don't understand why there is so much opposition to incest, and see it as a non-issue due to modern technology. Marrying your first cousin is usually illegal, even though it doesn't raise the probability of your offspring acquiring genetic diseases to the extent most people believe. Contraceptives and abortion also can prevent mishaps exist. I know from talking to my friends that many guys feel genetic attraction upon meeting new cousins.

Another memetic pseudo-religion is beginning right here in our backyard.

http://8ch.net/winterchan/

This sort of reminds me of ebola-chan although that was mostly a joke, and I'm genuinely not sure how serious these people are.

Something to keep an eye on maybe.

Atheists are right in a number of ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTI5XDN3sw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzLKbZyMvas

Though I also think: what if atheism was something that acknowledges God, but is more focussed on right facts about spirituality?

Christ-tan is everywhere now

Never thought I would see Christ-tan outside of /pol, on /lgbt in 4chan. It was near a confessional thread too. I also saw someone cosplaying as her at an anime convention too, even though she was only drawn in December 2014.

The chans have been compromised. The religious nuts are about to take the helm and hammer us with their morality.

goddess movement

There is is a goddess of irvine temple, where men are forbidden except on the fourth Sunday every month. Ironically, Irvine has a reputation for being full of boring, and materialistic people with more money than common sense. The website is hillarious. Come sisters to our museum where we have statues owned by the Dalai lama, and learn the true history of the world that the patriarchy has buried! Pledge $200 a month of support for for the highest rank!

http://www.goddesstempleoc.org/

Which one of these should I get?

A Future Beyond Atheism

If Atheism is the jumping point to Skepticism, and Skepticism is a superior way of viewing the world, where does Skepticism lead? I'm worried that I am a zeitgeist that still possesses ungrounded beliefs, and that I will fail to transcend to a higher state of critical thinking.

Waking up from religion is a start, but now I want a second awakening/paradigm shift, except I just don't know where to look. I am trying to break free of the constraints of my time, so I can imagine how Utopia will look when we've solved our current problems, so I know what to work towards.

Reminder that Muslims crying "Islamophobia" is no different than Christards screaming that they're being persecuted.

>theistic robots

Why god why?

What do you think of this /atheism/?

Christian communist AMA

ITT: Ask a Christian communist and ex atheist anything

Pic related

Please explain to me how you people are any different than fundies

Fundamentalists: Want to ban pornography

Atheists: Want to ban pornography.

Fundamentalists: Vandalize bikini ads.

Atheists: Vandalize bikini ads.

Fundamentalists: Want to criminalize words that offend them.

Atheists: Want to criminalize words that offend them.

Fundamentalists: Wants to criminalize women being sexy.

Atheists: Wants to criminalize women being sexy.

Please explain to me why the rest of the world shouldn't wipe you out along with the rest of the cancer.

Question

What would it take for you to worship a God?

17 year old from Singapore gets jailed for criticising christianity and Lee Kuan Yew

I thought I should make the thread here since on /n/ people seem to defend the jailing of a guy who just wants to express his opinions on youtube. I made a few comments exposing the irony of the people who use 8chan for free speech but at the same time feel fine with this boy being jailed, and telling them that an actual criminal should be in prison and not someone who is doing harmless youtube videos. Also, I told them that only large groups of people have the ability to get offended and get someone jailed for that, small groups of people who get offended don't get that power, and I think it's stupid to censor free speech in the first place.

I left the thread since I felt like I argued with bricks, it's a waste of my time arguing with people who think the boy deserves to be in jail, not gonna comment there anymore. But I feel like I need to make more people aware of this, even if they aren't from Singapore. I figured you guys would be interested. I actually feel very sad that in 2015 someone can't express what opinions he has of opinions or certain groups, almost everyone from Singapore hates the guy. Don't believe me? Search Amos Yee on youtube and see how many people from there say he deserves to stay 3 years in jail, and how many videos are of people who are glad that he is imprisoned.

No matter how much someone offends someone else's feelings, they should not be jailed, otherwise we would restrict out capability to become better thinkers, with our minds being controlled from sharing ideas, we would be nothing more than mindless robots, drones. I want to hear you guys comment on this or at least read it, I am not even from Singapore or USA, but I want people to be able to talk freely without government control.

Video related is the original video, from his youtube account.

>It’s intriguing but disconcerting to follow the tribulations of Amos Yee, the brave young 17-year-old who has dared to question the majesty of the late founding father of Singapore. Several worrying issues come to mind, involving both modern and archaic concerns that touch on Singapore as a society.

>In case you missed it, Amos posted a video titled “Lee Kuan Yew is finally dead!” to his YouTube channel four days after the Singapore strongman passed away. He expressed some controversial sentiments. Among other things, he called Lee a horrible person and said he hoped he would not rest in peace.

The video went viral, and within two days Amos had become the most infamous person on the island, leading to his arrest under charges that include offences against Christianity, which he did insult. But these charges were secondary to his actual crime, which was insulting Lee Kuan Yew.

>That a 17-year old boy can be publicly crucified in such a manner is appalling, even if he made distasteful remarks. He made legitimate criticism of Lee and the formula he used to nurture Singapore into the power that it is today. Criticism is essential in a democracy because you are using your voice to express your opinions, and the more those opinions are well-formed and informed by facts, the more valid and worthy of debate they are.

>The truth is that Amos had a point. Underneath the profanity and angst, he made some well-rounded observations about Singapore’s controversial founding father. The cult of Lee Kuan Yew wishes these sentiments to be wiped out as Singaporean history is rewritten to make it seem like Lee single handedly built Singapore, brick by boring brick.

>A hallmark of a fully mature society is its ability to accept, assimilate, and act upon criticism

http://redwiretimes.com/cow-beh-cow-bu/amos-yee-martyr-free-malaysia-today/

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singapore/courts-crime/story/amos-yees-court-hearing-fixed-thursday-and-friday-20150504

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/amos-yee-trial-date-set/1824352.html

Ads

So is nobody going to put an atheist ad on Christian? It's $5. If you do it, make it something funny…

Tired of being a fucking retard?

Come to /Atheism/

How Many "Atheists" Are Actually Atheists?

Freedom of Speech and Right to Offend

So euphoric.

>born with all sorts of ailments and weaknesses, irrationality, unwanted impulses

>surrounded by all flavors of faggots [christards, mudslimes, sjws, normies, skinheads, religion-apologetic "atheists" (traitors), etc] till death, forced to be nice to them

>society is gay and lame imposing obligations and restricting freedoms

>work pays less than effort

>technology, the only good thing, develops at snails pace, born too soon to become cybernetically enhanced ubermensch

>only escape is to run innawoods and have even less

>slowly wither to death

>might live to120 tops

>after 80 body is as useful as a corpse anyway

I am an atheist, but I do not understand why theists confuse the ideals of science with atheism. Why do theists ask questions that are better aimed at scientists? Example a theists often ask "How can evolution be true", but atheism does not even need to bother itself with that. It is the equivalent of an atheist asking a theist "why is god doing so many bad things". Atheism does not aim to defend science and science does not aim to defend atheism. The proof that atheists require is not proof that religion is superior to science or the proof that religion is inferior. The proof atheists require is that there is a sentient being which created the universe. Disproving a scientific theory does not prove the existence of god. a 1000 scientific theories could be disproven and yet no proof of a god may be given.

I am always confused by the way that theists confuse atheism with science and wondered why theists make the assumption that skepticism of their religion is aligned with scientific enquiry

Atheist logic

>Crusades were caused by religion and totally had nothing to do with power-hungry rich people looking for land

>Communists purging religion? That's just power-hungry dictators eliminating the opposition

What's hilarious is that you people still think you're the poor oppressed intellectuals amongst a society of savages.

Famous Atheists and Agnostics

Pretending you're a christian for your kids

Forget god

Although I am an atheist I do not believe that atheism should actually enter into a debate with theists about whether god exists or not. The reason I say this is fairly simple. Theists say "There is a god", Atheists say "There is no such thing as god". But if atheists truly believe there is no god, then the statement "There is no god" is meaningless, just as meaningless as the statement "God exists", since if there is no god then there is nothing which the word "god" refers to. It means atheists are talking the same rubbish as theists.

My point is that it would be better to argue with theists along the lines of a more practical atheism, one which does not acknowledge the existence of god in any way whatsoever but instead completely ignores any statement made by theists which aims to justify their beliefs. Wouldnt it be better to argue along practical lines such as "Why should part of the tax that I pay be used to fund faith schools and other religious activities, since I believe that theism promotes lies and that their beliefs are simply absurd". Another line of attack would be to ask whether the children of theists should be taken into state care, since the absurd and, frankly, insane beliefs of theists are damaging to the minds of children

How do you deal with people who say things along the lines of, God isn't an object in the universe, or God is beyond space-time, God is what sustains the universe,etc,etc

Community

Let me get straight to the point. We need to start a movement. Nobody is going to look out for us. Atheists are the most hated group even more so than blacks, Muslims, gays, and criminals. We need to band together to help each other.

If you see an atheist in a debate, help him.

If you see an atheist in financial trouble, help him.

If you see an atheist who is being a dumbass, call him out on it.

If you see two people in need, help the atheist first then help the other person.

Go out of your way to be kind to everyone you meet, atheist or no, even if that kindness is never repaid, it will be with the right person.

Atheist morals are superior to theistic morals, we do not answer to an imaginary entity, we answer to ourselves and our community. Repay kindness with kindness, and repay unkindness with unkindness.

Only be dishonest when it is necessary. People do not trust a liar. Do what benefits you and your family and community.

We need to look out for each other in these times. We are all we have. Once we look out for others, others will look out for us. That is not to say that we will change any minds, I do not expect to. What I expect to do is create a better life in the midst of physical, political, and societal attacks on us.

And always be skeptical, if someone is trying to manipulate you or take advantage of your kindness, regardless if they are atheist or not, show no kindness to them.

Never initiate physical violence with any person, only utilize self-defense.

You help me and I will help you. This world is hostile to us. We all need help every once in a while.

Help and be helped. Spread the word. A helping hand goes a long way. A kindness is done to you, return the kindness, an unkindness is done to you, cut off all ties with that person.

Things atheistards don't believe:

* Gods

* Demons

* Devils

* Angels

* Miracles

* Virgin births

* Faith healing

* Water into wine

* Noah's ark

* Walking on water

* A son of a Yahweh came back from the dead and told us our mission in life

* That killing's okay in self-defense (my bible tells me we shalt not)

* That lying is okay (yes, I understand deceit is important to defend nations and selves but my bible, ten commandments, tells me not to)

* That stealing is okay (yes, I know we stole land by conquest but that's okay, god willed it)

* That it's okay not to honor your mother and father (I know some don't deserve when they kill and abuse but my bible tells me I should)

* That it's okay to judge (my bible says you should judge not unless you want judged. I know judging is important to protect the innocent and condemn the guilty but my bible tells me not to)

Now you tell me, atheistards, just who the retarded ones are. lol, you guys will try to use reason and stuff to act like your smarter but it won't work. You are not smarter than god. He tells me I'm special and not to worry about what you guys say. You are of the devil.

Cultural Appropriation > Multiculturalism

>yfw you realize multiculturalism is a trojan horse for foreign religions to spread further

You can enjoy foreign cuisine, clothing, architecture, etc without accepting their religious baggage. For example I really enjoy curry but I can enjoy it while taking a shit on Hinduism. I don't need to accept Hinduism to have curry. Ffs multicultural nations just overcame Christianity and now they're opening doors to other religious nonsense. And worse when I point this out I'm branded racist even though I'm more than happy to see atheists from all over the world.

Something should be done about this ideological cancer.

Pascal's Wager

I was thinking if there was a god he'd probably like atheists, agnostics and deists more than theists. None of us are making up shit about him killing off people and causing floods and shit or him getting assmad over people touching themselves. I can't imagine a supreme being like what is supposed to be god would appreciate religion very much.

Scientific misconduct

Near the end of God Delusions Richard Dawkins talks a lot about Marc Hauser's surveys. Unfortunately Hauser was found guilty of 8 counts of scientific misconduct, which means we can't trust his work. This is a surprise for me, because his "wild minds: what animals think" book was the first I read in the psychology field, back in Middle School, and in fact I've never read a similar book since then.

So the question is, did Richard Dawkins ever talk about the falsification? It seems like he'd need to address it if he made a second edition of the God Delusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Hauser

Lets have a happy thread about death.

>are you still sacred of death?

>are you interested in losing that fear?

>any advice for people who are scared of death?

The idea used to make my heart sink but thinking about it a lot and watching talks about people discussing death made it a lot easier I won't say I welcome it yet but I could die happy.

also britty gub knowing I won't go to hell

Atheist hotties general

You'll like this

Sometimes even tribal hunter gathers can be atheists.

Belief in the supernatural is not a universal human failing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p0mV_v6cSw

Tonight with John Oliver: Televangelists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg

I'm a bit mad they had to put a "not all christians" disclaimer before this video. Christians are so easily offended.

non-white atheists

What are the official religion power rankings?

I always hear christfags talk shit about "new atheists" but I still don't know what the hell "new atehists" are. I thought atheism is just not believing in a god, so how can there be new and old atheists?

So what even are new atheists? I'm starting to think that there is no such thing and that it's a buzzword used to denounce atheists who actually stand up to christian persecution and the "good" old atheists are the ones who would shut up and let christfags take advantage of them.

Explain this shit to me.

Religon makes everything worse

Just when you thought race relations couldn't get any more fucked up in the United States…

The Nation of Islam marches on Washington.

and these guys are major league kooks.

>High doses of euphoric stims like adderall, ritalin, or MDMA will give you something that at least seems like empathy. Not a bad thing. Feels weird to think about when I'm sober though. Caring about things in that manner is really complex and weird. So I can understand how you do not prefer it.

Later after I felt it, from perspective of time it was for me like I was drugged with empathy, and that drug (empathy) distorts my objective thinking and actions, it manipulates me into thinking and acting in way that can get me hurt/abused/exploited. Just look at all empathious people who are exploited by people and organizations. Concrete jungle is not much different from plant jungle, when you are weak, naive, empathious, they just get you, and eat you. It's best to stay away from them, they are danger. Or you can join them and play their game, and look for easy pray and eat it with them. But other day it is you who will play the "easy pray" role.

>satanists

LOL

Anime with anti-theist themes themes

Dreams - Atheist thread

Let's start a thread where we talk about dreams. I've been discussing them with Christians who think demons can paralyze you, possess you, and torment you in your sleep. Sort of like the ridiculous villains called "nightmares" from Dream Eater Merry I guess.

https://8ch.net/christ/res/4470.html#q5647

To start off, has anyone had religious dreams? Messages in the bible have sprung from interpretations of dreams so it should be an important topic for the religious.

The premises we believe greatly affect our dreams - I used to frequently have Christian themed nightmares of armageddon and hell, and I would be confronted by the devil/a demon, and I'd pray feverently for God to come down from the clouds and protect me. I had dreams where I was just as terrified he would judge me and send me to hell. Of course, I'd probably have dreamt about monsters anyway, but as a Christian Many of the monsters become demon themed.

Dreams are rich in symbols and emotions, and I used to keep a dream journal and spend time trying to figure out 1) whether God was giving me a message or an omen - a future dream. 2) whether my subconscious was trying to tell me something.

When I grew older the childhood monsters mostly went away as the dreams became more grounded, and since I'm an Atheist, I'd be lucky to remember having a dream with Christian imagery in a year. Most of my dreams today instead are harmless, and involve returning to places I've been. Sometimes they're even populated with characters from a framework I use for story writing, i.e. my "inner universe." The very best dreams are when I get to act as one of the characters from one of my favorite stories, especially in a lucid dream, which fuels reflection and idea making when I wake up.

Video is from an original Japanese indy game titled yume nikki/dream diary.

What does /athesim/ think of thunderfoot?

From /christ/

Dear All,

I'm from /christ/, and I was wondering if you'd find it interesting to have some exchanges between our boards. Concretely, would you wish to have some actual theists on your board? I doubt many of my people would enjoy the exercise, but some of them come from your board; at any rate, I wouldn't have a problem joining some of your threads for questions and input. I would do this out of mutual interest.

Judging from a few posts I saw, I'm not sure I can expect not to be insulted, but that's not a problem. I can handle it.

So, would you people be interested in some communication between us?

Our board is very welcoming, even to atheists, and if you came with questions, everyone there would make an effort to answer you, I am sure. But it is primarily a board for Christians to feel together (though that clearly took a backseat and we argue and debate points 99% of the time) and so there are some limits to what would be tolerated, but those limits are pretty damn flexible; basically, as long as you're not trying to offend anyone, you should be all right, even if you ask tricky questions.

I guess I'll stick around this thread as a test of sorts, to see how things go and what we could imagine doing in the future.

The basic idea is that with more opposite points of view, conversations might be more engaging and interesting, for those of us who like that sort of exchange.

Thank you for your attention.

Global warming thread

Christians tend to be "skeptical" that global warming is possible, because God fine tuned the universe, and keeps his finger on the dials. He wouldn't let Earth greatly fall apart if it rose by a few degrees celsius.

Of course, I'm not sure how much of what is happening is human caused, and we have gone through mini ice ages or warmer periods such as the Jurassic period. I think environmentalists exaggerate the human effect for their own noble goals, and that Astronomy also has a huge effect on our climate.

Scientology has a wacky history as everyone probably knows. Here's a question: would the German government be right to to not give it tax benefits, and to discriminate against it? Assuming Germany is right about it being an abusive cult?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_Germany#Legal_status

ITT the danger of unrestrained altruism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price

>After converting to Christianity and giving all his possessions to the poor, he committed suicide.

I see this as a short-coming of Christianity; it is noble to treat others as well as yourself, but consistently elevating them above you leads to "suicide."

If you're an atheist, what's to stop you from being a homosexual?

So I went on voat yesterday and found this argument. Could somebody tell me who is correct here? I think lawmowerman is correct because edgelord keeps trying to change the defintions of words like a feminist. I don't know much about science but I am pretty sure if science were true then the definitions of words will not change. Edgelord says that they do so that means that edgelord is just lying to win the argument right?

This argument confuses me. Could somebody who is scientifically literate explain who is right?

1. reality is ultimately unknowable. (see immanual Kant)

Real truth is unknowable because to know it a person would have to relate to reality directly without depending upon his conceptual mechanism. For Kant, the real is the object “in itself” out of all relation to a subject. This means that the consciousness or awareness of things cannot be mediated by any process or faculty whose nature affects the appearance of the object because any process or faculty would distort one’s perceptual awareness.

2. If reality is ultimately unknowable than the proposition that God exists is just as valid as the proposition that God does not exist because both are propositions about the nature of reality beyond our sense impressions

Claims about the existence of God are different from scientific claims because there is no sense impression (conceptual mechanism for Kant) by which we can verify it as true or false. As such it is a claim about the ultimate nature of reality outside of the human bounds of knowledge - as such the statement concerning God's existence is just as valid as a statement about his non-existence

Things to say to religious people.

Anyone else noticing more religious "debate" on 8chan compared to on 4chan?

From what I can remember from 4chan is whenever atheism was mentioned or someone insulting chrisfags it would be spammed with tips fedora meme'z and the conversion would die after that, seems more and more now that on 8chan is that a few people will argue.

Is this just me noticing it now or have any of you lot noticed this change as well or even disagree that change has happened?

Just for fun what is your MBTI? Specify religious status too.

Atheist INTJ/P masterrace reporting.

What is it with christians and "desensitization". They seem to think sensitivity is something to cherish. Anyone remember back when that used to be an even bigger thing with TV and videogames, largely led by christians? They're the original SJWs. The biggest problem some of them seem to have with Dawkins is because he seems insensitive.

I'm asking here because this board's like /askchristianity/ except it's not a hugbox where mods are offended by questions and ban you or delete posts.

Disclaimer: This may or may not be a post mocking both sides. You both will bitch about sensitivity and you both will bitch about tolerance, aka, letting people and things be to an extent. You have more in common than you think yet we want to argue all the time.

post qt atheists

Christian schools / universities

So I've been reading about Biola University (one of the biggest Christian Universities in America), and about what folks have to go through. I found some amusing links worth sharing.

http://testimonials.exchristian.net/2005_12_01_archive.html

If you press ctrl f and type biola to scroll down on this page there is a guy who confessed he was gay at biola in the seventies and was kicked out for that. It is a judgemental school where people act fake, like you are always at church. It is full of rich white people who avoided minorities their whole life and remain intolerant. Tuition toals to at least 110 thousand for four years of undergarduate, and more if you dorm. Conservative parents will only pay for Christian schools.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/c2evx/i_am_an_atheist_attending_a_private_christian/

Students are required to go to a chapel for an hour three times a week. You are required to sign an oath of loyalty to behave like Christ when you go in.

http://media.biola.edu/undergrad/downloads/form/2010/conduct.pdf?_ga=1.181504036.2029988135.1431783864

doctrinal statement is here: http://media.biola.edu/undergrad/downloads/form/2010/Doctrinal_Statement.pdf?_ga=1.209871510.2029988135.1431783864

In the philosophy class when the professor plays the devil's advocate the whole class gets upset and he has to calm thm down and tell them they are right. Professors walk the line between religion and science by constantly reaffirming the bible awkwardly, or adding padding. It is certainly a school where you would be insulated from healthy dissent and would have to spend more time looking for the cracks in your education. And if you're liberal, gay, black, Atheist, or just stub your toe and shout fuck word will get out and people will avoid you like the plaque!

(Christian communties are always the most judgemental to save God from ever having to visit Earth to do work.)

How do i survive now

>Be me, 15, atheist

>Live in Turkey, Erzurum (The most religious city of Turkey)

>every single person here is muslim and they even beat other muslims for not fasting in ramadan, so they would just kill an atheist

>"accidently" like an atheist page on facebook

>friend notices and starts spamming facebook saying i am a blasphemer

>I'll die if I get out of home, maybe even while in home.

>mfw

how can you be so sure of yourself that God doesn't exist when we don't even have a firm grasp of how the universe works? Seems a rather arrogant view to take

What if God died?

I think Satan and God fought and annihilated each other 2,000 years ago, or Satan won and Christians have been left waiting for a new miracle because they haven't got the news that heaven was overthrown yet. There is actually more circumstantial evidence that a victorious Devil is meddling with the world and tainting it, than that a heavenly being is actively purifying things.

atheists' opinion of nationalism

I'm sick of all of the shill threads, so I'm going to be the change

What is your opinion of nationalism?

I am of the impression that nationalism isn't in and of itself, bad. It has the potential to cause some disastrous events, but really, you could say that about any form of power or authority. For an example of the good of nationalism, look at Japan.

Though, I'd like to hear your opinions.

Hello guys, is this board alive?

I've recently lost my precious anti-religion folder, can you help me rebuild it?

I will dump what was left of it in the meantime…

You know, it seems every time someone mentions the word "Atheist" on 8chan, they are in most cases immediately met with the fedora meme. 1/5th of the time when a Christian comes on here they immediately post with the fedora pic.

With that it's clear that they aren't actually going to listen to us or even debate with us, so whats the point of even wasting too much breath responding back? What kind of dumb stock response pics could we use in response to fedora posting? I found this hilarious image on /christian/, and im sure it would be good with an equally dumb macro.

But the real question is: What claims piss off christians the most?

Or would we be no better than them for getting tired of responding to fedora pics and using equal strawman pictures to piss them off?

Catholics vs Protestants

(Which is better? Which is truer? Well a philosophy professor just sent me a letter that rebukes sola scruptura.)

"A crucial point missed by almost all Christians, is the Bible itself doesn’t even claim to be God’s word (let alone inerrant). That is a man-made doctrine not found in the Bible. 2 Tim. 3:16, for example, is actually a universal affirmative proposition (“All As are Bs”) that only states what scripture is, namely, “theopneustos,” but without going on to explain what this means or, crucially, identify what books are scripture–be these OT only; the OT + NT only; the OT + NT + Apocrypha only; the BOM only; the Upanishads only; Bertrand Russell’s *Why I Am Not a Christian* only; etc. In fact, 2 Tim. 3:16 was written before the Bible was even completed."

Wow, what a great scriptural citation. So why aren't Christians worshiping the inspired sayings of Buddha?

I think protestants are easier to pin down and logically destroy, because they put their faith in the bible. Catholics/the Orthodox/Mormons are harder because they put their faith in tradition and the church.

Out of curiousity, what political group do you allign with?

Seeing the answers to this thread has me curious:

>>9243

Many of you guys don't seem to agree with /pol/ or /leftypol/ (which isn't really a hard feat really) so what are you guys? Libertarian? From the sound of that political poll we had a while back a lot of you seem to lean to the left so it doesn't sound like many of you would be the capitalist type of libertarian. Im someone who's kindof figuring out politics and where I stand, so some insight would be great.

Why do Atheists only target Christians(most of the time)

Specially makes fun of Jesus only, and never Satan.

it's because atheism is another term for Satanism, and is a secretly cult that is very successful in brainwashing prepubescent fedora wearing mlp watching teens.

Morality and Atheism

Atheists are scared of Muslim

Why do you guys always target Christians and always label them as hateful person who causes war?

I think you're mistaken Christians for Muslims.

A better question, why do ATHEISTS target Christians, a peaceful humble religion; and not Islam, a violent religion?

I see a lot of innocent people getting beheaded by Muslims on tv. I think they deserve the hatred you guys are having towards religion. Its really intruiging that atheists hate Christians more than Muslims despite all that. But why Atheists never target Islam? I've been wondering….

The answer is simple:

Atheists are batshit scared of Muslims, I know all of you will deny this and make illogical excuses that will make you look smart(like what you do all the time) but deep inside, you know for yourselves that you, Atheists are afraid of Muslims. You channel that hatred and cowardice towards a peaceful religion like Christianity.

I think of you Atheists as coward bullies.

Bullies(Atheists) bully a peaceful humble people(Christian) who never fights back, but is afraid of someone who fights back (Muslim)

It's fine to be scared of Muslims. America is notoriously known to be scared of Islam too.

God bless you all.

Do you frequently tell others you're atheist? How do you view theism? How do you deal with it? Ever had any friction with religious people?

No love for adults

I wonder if anyone else feels the same, I always fucking hate it when a major disaster happens, hundreds of adults die, and in the news you see "400 people kidded and two babbies". Why do they always make it a special case when kids die? I am not saying that people shouldn't feel sorry for children when they die, not at all, of course it's sad.

But to me it's more sad when I see some 30 year old man who went through life, spent more than a decade going to school, had some dreams and was almost there, working towards it, and then he dies, all that effort put into nothing. It's the saddest thing.

If you were being held hostage and you'd HAVE to choose between who would die, a kid, or an adult who is a good person, what would you choose?

Vandalism for nothing

Why do atheists feel the need to vandalize other people's property because they disagree with them? Are you really so bitter that you feel the need to make other people miserable?

Maybe you should accept God into your life so he can purge you of your hate.

Gay marriage officially legal in USA

This is a victory in civil rights, and is (unfortunately) the only defining change of our generation. I didn’t expect public sentiment to change towards this so quickly, but I may have been projecting the bigotry of my religious family onto the elite lawyers that run the country.

That said, I wish it could have been decided by referendum like in (Catholic!) Ireland instead of at the barrel of a loaded gun in the U.S. supreme court. Autocratic tendencies are a drawback of life in larger countries. But I guess it would have been too hard to convince the South to support another form of eglatarianism for many years, and politically dangerous for Southern politicians to support it. (Other states also needed their state supreme courts to overpower the accepted wisdom of the dumb masses.) It’s a classic example of the question of' "Do the ends justify the means?"

>tfw nothing matters unless you make it to matter to you

Internet Mission: Evangelion

>>>/christian/56077

Lmao, sometimes I wish I was an adolescent with nothing better to do with my time like this /christian/. If I were I'd sign up for the sinners faction with my friends so we could chat and troll the Christians who are signing up to a shitty old online game just to proselytize.

Seriously how can so many people believe becoming addicted to a game where you grind is worth your time? I seriously doubt you can save any souls. It's like a Christian walking into a cabaret or strip bar every day, buying a few drinks, and pretending only there to save some souls, not because it's fun engage in sin, and it's more fun when you have friends there.

Why?

Why and how are all of these theists breeding?

Where will you guys go?

Well, it looks like 8chan is tearing itself about because not only can the spergs not contain their autism and sheer retardation, Hotwheels tolerance of the spergs autism is running thin and it's making him loose faith and do more and more dumb things out of apathy. Though I don't agree with all his actions, I feel for the poor guy.

Theres a chance we'll be around for quite a while longer, but if something happens to 8chan, where do we go? What other chans have an atheism board? This community feels awfully unique to chan communities, and I'd hate to lose it because of some spergs who love to bathe in drama 24/7.

I myself will probably go to Lainchan, and maybe try Voat to see if they will change some of the UI I hated about Reddit, and also see their community is less cancerous than Reddit's and less self destructive than 8chan's. If someone else tries another 8chan, I'll be cautious, because with all the retards around here I have a feeling none of them can hold their autism (not to mention ego) and run a chan as long as Hotwheels did, especially with all the retarded suggestions I see on /operate/, troll or not, and even if they can, the community here takes one thing you do and holds it against you. Hotwheels was right to have an inclusive community so everyone can have a say. Many of these retards want the same gated community almost every other chan has.

With you guys though, it might be fun to get a copy of vichan and make some kind of Atheism chan. Don't know how long the community would last, but there's got to be some form of potential in it, or at least if it was a philosophical chan. Shit, who knows. Either way, despite all the trolls being here, it's been kind of fun talking with you guys. I learned a bit, and you guys made me think of things I'd never realized before. I went from agnostic to atheist in a span of months. Hopefully we'll last a lot longer than I'm thinking.

How much do you really know about Islam?

Check out our board and find out!

http://8ch.net/modernislam/

What the fuck happened to /islam/?

Im not trying to pull a statuefag, but holy shit last time I checked /islam/, the people there weren't this radical: https://8ch.net/islam/res/4973.html

While you got some more rational people in that thread, holy shit there are people on /islam/ who unironically support ISIS. "If allah wills it" is no fucking excuse to support the genocide of people (nor is "Jaysus is on A'murrica's sahde" a justification to nuke the fuck out of the middle east). Why would you support a regime as evil, barbaric, idiotic, and oppressive as ISIS, no bullshit excuses?

What the fuck happened to the /islam/ board? Last I checked several months ago, they seemed like a bunch of live and let live misguided non-obnoxious people, not this shit, like once there was a thread where they were sort of concerned about ISIS taking over Mecca. Apparently not anymore.

I've noticed that most pro-Christian/Muslim/etc… arguments are pretty much copypasta that has spread by word of mouth over time, essentially the original definition of a meme. Things like "well, show me the evidence" and "No! YOU prove God doesn't exist". It would actually be possible to create an educational database of these "arguments" and the best retort in a certain situation. Is there already an online repository of religious arguments like this that exists, and if not, what are your thoughts on creating one? I have the resources available ATM, with an online VPS and some moderate coding skills. I already have some experience custom building websites, but this would definately be the biggest project I've ever done. Regardless, I really want to do this. Anybody want to go for it?

Jews were black?

Pack enough rats in a cage and they all go crazy, and starting walking over each others' eyes. That's Manhatten.

Death Gods have appeal even in Catholic countries

There’s a syncretic folk religion that is catching on in Mexico and America. It’s a cult devoted to "Santa Muerte" who is depicted like a Grim Reaper goddess wielding a scythe.

Popularity has shot up because followers believe she’s done miracles. Her mythology isn’t set, but some suppose she is some kind of fallen archangel. The followers are predominately women in places that have become disillusioned with the institutionalized Catholic church.

Wikipedia lists her under folk saints – popular fictional saints that certain Catholics believe in. They are basically mini-gods, not unlike ancestral Gods or Japanese Kami.

Naturally the Catholic church has tried to stamp it out in Mexico, and some vandals recently smashed a statue to her in a Texas cementary. And yet with the violence in Mexico her grisly following has shot up by several million, and immigrants have begun to bring her to America. So if you see a plastic statue to a grim reaper in the future, it might actually be a deity rather than cheap Halloween decor.

I asked /christ/ about it, and they just called her a demon. All foreign goddesses are demons for Catholics/Protestants unless you happen to believe in them, in which case they are saints.

On a related note I see a lot of death gods in anime and wikipedia hints at the historical reason: Catholic influence!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinigami

What are your thoughts on church burning, /atheists/? I think they're pretty win.

>nice spectacle

>clears land for something useful to be built

>triggered christcucks

christian science and commercialism

So I visited the 10th church of the Christian Science and got a brochure about healing. Look at this logo…you can read about casting out demons! There is Also a christian reading room where where they try to sell books by the founder of this church.

It's also next to a Korean church and and cross the street here in LA there is is a tiny Catholic church know the first floor of and cross 10 story office building lol. There's also a church in another neighborhood that offers sermons entirely in japanese.

Post 'em.

www.selectsmart.com/PHILOSOPHY/

Atheism and Communism

All communist countries are atheistic. All communist countries regularly engage in oppressing and murdering their own people. The only successful communists, the Native Americans, were the only group that didn't engage in these practices (they killed other tribes instead), and yet they believed in animal gods and shit, so they weren't atheists.

How do atheists explain this alarming correlation? Could it be that maybe, just maybe, believing in nothing and the lack of a fear of any sort of punishment or afterlife leads to psychopathic behavior? Without God, the only thing stopping atheists from doing whatever they want is fear of being punished by the law. So it's no surprise that they act the way they do once they become the law.

remove faith

theist genocide

best day of my life

I am atheist yes

I believe this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_All

It's not a sky daddy so I am atheist, yes?

Speculation on Apologetics

What are some new ways you think religions will try to proselytize/defend their faith in the near future?

Personally, I feel that certain factions will become intertwined with socjus. So that religious bodies will have greater control against dissent by using the progressive stack to keep critics speaking last.

Atheistic manga thread

Qualia the Purple - girl has a friend that can see qualia. (The girl claims that from her perspective everyone around her looks like a robot.) She falls in love with the girl, but she dies around chapter 6. She spends the rest of the series (18 chapters) crossing through parallel worlds and parallel existences to try and find a world where she can save her life.

The manga was based on a light novel and is more fond of throwing out interlocking physics terms than any other manga I've read. It starts off looking like an unassuming yuri manga set at a school, but quickly becomes something epic in the 2nd volume.

http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/qualia-the-purple-r9114

Why does often we see atheists coming up wtih retarded beliefs? Picture very related.

Is it because these scientists have no formation in philosophy, specialy logics, analytical philosophy and metaphysics, so they fall for easy logical traps?

Atheist Political Views

Atheists like us tend to be quite left wing libertarian- not like communist left wing unless you're a fucking social justice warrior (and besides, they're authoritarian) but hey, quite left wing. So what are your guys' political views?

Secular Christians

Some Christians become so educated on the development of Christianity that they are practically Atheists. The main difference seems to be that they try to follow their interpretation of the teachings of the bible, without most of the supernatural elements. Any thoughts on these people?

These people can be hard to understand. Someone who claims to have a PHD in computer science, actually linked me to a website that practically demolishes any reason to believe in Satan, without showing any cognitive dissonance.

https://isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/princes-of-darkness-the-devils-many-faces-in-scripture-and-tradition/

The universe paradox

Hi guys, I'm going to stop trolling for a minute and ask a serious question.

Unless someone here can suggest another possibility, the universe either always existed, or has a beginning.

If the universe has a beginning, something: Maybe God, or some kind of event, must have created it, leading to an infinite recursion of "what created the creator?" questions.

So this usually leads to the conclusion that the universe always existed. However, 2nd law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of the universe is always decreasing over time. If the universe always existed, then an infinite amount of time must have passed, which means the entropy of the universe should have dropped to a point where no useful energy is available. This clearly isn't the case. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that the universe's existence doesn't make sense.

Someone tell me why the universe still makes sense pls.

>live in small, mostly white trash town

>at local library for unrelated reasons

>decide to look up some atheist literature, since I haven't read all of it and I've seen some on the shelves before

>haven't read much of Sam Harris, do a search on him

>~4 of his books are in the system but 0 are available

>huh, that's weird. What about Hitchens?

>same thing, books are listed but none are available

>…Dennett?

>not even in the system

>well OK fair enough he's not that known, let's try Dawkins

>all his anti-theist books are in the system, none available

>but all his science books are available

Guys I think my local library might have purged the atheist books. Wat do.

Why do atheists spend so much time telling themselves how much better they are than everyone?

>Their intelligence makes them more likely to dismiss religion as irrational and unscientific

>Believes America has a rape culture when rape is universally condemned

>Believes American college campuses have a rate of rape that's more than half of Congo. In other words, American college campuses are at least half as dangerous as Congo.

>Believes Islam doesn't have a rape culture despite countries ruled by Islam regularly punishing the rape victim

>Pointing this out makes you racist

>Thinks they're less bigoted than Christians

>HAHA LOOK AT THOSE STUPID BACKWARDS CHRISTIANS

>Claims to be skeptics

>Claims Christians only believe in God because they want to believe in an afterlife

>Believes everything the media tells them, as long as it's what they want to hear.

>Claims holding a door for a woman is sexist

>But literally discriminating based on sex isn't sexist

>Unless it's against a woman

>Claims believing "blacks commit more crimes" is racist

>But "blacks are more likely to fail academia" is progressive and enlightened

Please tell me how you're not just little brats telling yourselves how much better and more enlightened you are than everyone else.

Communism: Embraced by Atheism or Christianity

With the re-emergence of Christianity in Russia, and it's rapid spread in China (10% Christian), I want to know how did the Communists fail to impart lasting Atheism? It was a missed opportunity to banish the shadow of superstition in two of the most populous countries.

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Something else that occured to me, is you would expect more Christians to be supportive of Communism, and more Atheists to be supportive of Capitalism. It is interesting how Communisim became associated with godlessness in America, and the church rallied against it, resulting in "In God we trust" on currencies, and throughout the government. As I'll explain, "real" Christianity espouses values similiar to Communism, and the two should synergize.

Communism is about rising above human instincts for a greater good, like rising above your animal passions through artifical controls which is what Christianity preaches. It is about working together. Without continuous fine tuning Communism can devolve into crony capitalism or a form of totalitarianism.

Capitalism is amoral/nhilistic, and is similar to natural evolution in that the rewards go to the strongest, and their offspring. It is individualistic. It requires no wise men, or guiding hand to continue to exist, unless too much power congregates in the hands of a few greedy individuals, who can then usurp control, and form own government and economic system.

In that sense Marx was right, and every economic system is bouncing along on a spectrum one inch removed from the totalitarian possibilities. Communism might be on the opposite extreme from forms of Capitalism and might allow many freedoms.

It might simply have appeared before it's time. As techonology and thinking advance, it might become viable and we will see a resurgence in a more peaceful and benevolent era, where enlightened people genuinely care for each other like brothers.

It could start in a heavily religious country, if the churches and cathedrals truly believed in practicing philanthropy, or egalitarianism. However they would need to choose to support the movement, rather than protecting their own interests and significant assets. That could easily explain why they resisted Communism, with quotes from the bible. (Luke 19:11)

What would make atheists believe in God?

If good, evil, and all of what we consider to be "morality" is subjective and a man made concept then there is no way that you can make an argument against religion by saying it is evil.

>inb4 "B-but, it is intellectually dishonest"

The majority of people who have made the most modern contributions to science, medicine, and philosophy have been Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Jews. They continue to make advances in all fields and do not limit themselves to science, unlike modern day Atheism that acts as if science is the end all be all for the universe and the only way to be an intellectual is to limit yourself to one branch of thinking (which in itself is intellectually inferior thinking).

>inb4 "muh Mud slime terrorists"

If you are going to play that game then I will have to point out that the hundreds of millions of people who had died under communist rule, part of which aimed to achieve a society with out religion.

The church also donates billions to charity organizations and build homes for impoverished people around the world.

So from an objective standpoint religion is not only good, but better than Atheism. And from a subjective standpoint you cannot prove whether religion is or is not bad.

Take a look around you, atheist. Do you really believe it's all just coincidence?

Umineko thread

Saw an Umineko pic on here and was reminded about how atheistic this show was. Can we have an Umineko discussion?

atheist wikipedians, your input is requested

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_person#RfC:_Religion_infobox_entries_for_individuals_that_have_no_religion

Vote fags, this will affect how atheists are presented in the largest source of Internet knowledge.

I support "Religion: None" because atheism is not a religion nor is it synonymous with irreligious

So there's a bill out in Louisiana, US, that is causing Controversy:

https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=937123

Unlike a lot of "religious freedom" laws, this law is not being revised (instead, Jindal and the LA billmakers are going in balls deep) and they're also making the bill specifically about Marriage. The bill will not only allow business to not serve people based on religious belief (around marriage) but also remove benefits to employees, fire employees, etc.

Talking about it on Facebook, living in the South, I of course have one or two people on my friends like come up like "M-muh religious freedoms!!."

I got into it with one guy and I had basically said:

>You can choose what you sell and how to sell it, but not to who.

He thought that was not "free," because it stepped on the businesses right. His argument was:

>Let anything go and have the market sort it out.

Now, you can see what kind of person he is, but I'd like /atheism/'s view on this.

Honestly, I personally feel that this "freedom" isn't so great that giving it up for the betterment of equality really impacts anyone. Yeah, saying that you give up a FREEDOM sounds bad, but the alternative is worse.

People who argue what this guy argues, I feel don't understand that some places just aren't forward thinking enough to allow a market to be open to everyone. I know a few towns in the south that would probably still be under Jim Crow laws if they weren't forced to remove them.

I don't know though, what do you guys think?

How do you define knowledge?

Most atheists seem to classify themselves as agnostic, meaning they don't claim to know that gods don't exist. This is usually because they can't provide positive proof that there are no gods and/or they aren't 100% certain there are no gods (although they may be close to 100%). This seems to me to go beyond what is usually required for knowledge claims. I think the claim that God doesn't exist fits the "justified, true belief" definition of knowledge but there are many definitions out there so I'm wondering what people here mean when they claim to know or not know something.

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Christians who refuse to read books by Atheists

Something I've never quite understood is one thing religious people say about atheists:

You're only doing this to be edgy and cool. Only rebellious teens and edgelords want to be atheists, and deep down you know you are wrong.

What inspires this horribly inaccurate train of thought? Like, I get that there actually are stupid teenagers who do this, and there are many people on /christian/ who were former atheist who use this line of reasoning on their past selves, but what the fuck really inspired them to convert back? Here's where I reverse their shitty strawman with an arguably equally shitty strawman: Were they lonely, desperate, and depressed? Did they need something in their life to go to make everything better? Surely there's a lot more to it then that, but a lot of these reasons I hear make no fucking sense. People told you that Christian's are the biggest supporters of science? To an extent, and only when it doesn't conflict with the beliefs they still haven't ditched over the ages. You went to church, read the bible and suddenly everything made sense? How? How can you read that confusing book and see clarity (especially in parts like Genesis) without trying to find some bullshit hidden meaning or reinterpretation to make it say what you want to hear?

Genesis seems to support this weird confusing system where the earth is flat, the sky is blue because water is up there, the window of heaven is supposedly opened to make that water rain down sometimes, the solar system is only what is above the flat earth, and above them are the heavens. How do you defend that? What mental gymnastics do you have to do to avoid questioning that giant red flag that's at the very beginning of the bible?

How can we show these people that atheism isn't the end of everything good?

Are Atheists or Christians Better Equipped to Repel Islam?

The ethical dilemma of inheritance

Is a person who inherits a significant amount of money obligated to repay the debt to society? That is the question.

From a personal standpoint, I received several thousand dollars from my grandmother when she died and spent six months traveling through the Pacific Rim, squandering that inheritance on wasteful trips and travel blunders. At the time I thought it was worth it for me, but later when I thought about working families I realized I it was not fair to them.

I also met a series of other young travellers who had inherited, and people who had inherited positions at the companies of their parents. Some of them never needed to work if they did not want to. But many felt entitled to the money they had received through good fortune of the universe, and treated their possessions as a God-given right.

In the same vein I wonder if one of us stood in the face of death in our later years as a millionaire and was offered a chance to extend his life through a procedure by a year or two for a million dollars, whether that life would be worth the expense when the money could go toward making more people happy.

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We watchlist now.

>From the period between April 21 2015 to May 18 2015, 8chan received one subpoena'd request from an US government agency for user information. This was an emergency request regarding a direct threat made on the /islam/ board.

https://8ch.net/_t/20150518.txt

Dayum. How does it feel being on the watchlist for sharing a website with religious terrorists?

Why does Atheism and libertarianism often go hand in hand? I hate libertarians, and the fact that other Atheists worship that shit makes me want to vomit. It embodies everything that's wrong with this shallow, self-righteous generation.

Do young men consider Atheism and libertarianism to be a form of rebellion? Most Atheists I've known have no desire to be a part of society. They aren't involved in their communities, and I doubt they would care. They aren't the type of people to go by "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". These people are the "few", and so they support the ideology that caters to them. They don't want to feel as though they are obligated by society because they don't consider themselves to be a member of it. Inb4

>not all atheists are like that

Shut the fuck up, I know that not all atheists are like that. Anyone who has experience with other Atheists will know exactly what I am talking about here. The whole "fedora wearing libertarian atheist" stereotype exists for a reason. They have an overly-logical way of thinking about people without actually understanding them because their social circles are narrow.

It just sort of makes me sad how Atheism used to be represented by scientists on the T.V., and now, because of the internet, it's being represented by whatever fucktard has a video recorder.

Freedom of Religion in Business

Board ID testing thread

Atheists are no different than Christians

>Christians think God defines morality. God kills a bunch of children? Who are you to judge he who defines morality?

>Atheists think SJWs define bigotry, so you can't judge SJWs. SJWs want to kill all men? Who are you to judge those who define bigotry?

>Christians believe the earth is 2000-5000 years old and that evolution is wrong. They can point to various scientists and other sources to prove it.

>Atheists believe college campuses experience rape rates comparable to Congo. They can point to various scientists and other sources to prove it.

>Christians lie for Jesus. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2009/03/pastor-gets-caught-lying-for-jesus/

>Atheists lie for equality

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/16/sarah-silverman-apologizes-psa-wage-gap-lie-after-/

>Christians actively harass, threaten, vandalize, and kill people who disagree with them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/abortviolence/stories/salvi.htm

>Atheists actively harass, threaten, assault, vandalize, and send bomb threats to people who disagree with them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3059896/Bomb-threat-offensive-weight-loss-ad-Backlash-Protein-World-s-diet-supplements-intensifies.html

>Christians believe everyone is born with original sin and must atone for it.

>Atheists believe everyone who's white is born with privilege and must atone for it.

>Christians want to teach their creationism shit in public school

>Atheists want to teach their critical race theory and gender studies shit in public school

>Christians believe it is the God-given duty and burden of the white man to look out for those poor stupid black people and take care of them.

>Atheists believe it is the duty and burden of the white man to look out for those poor intelligent black people and take care of them.

Please tell me why I should treat you differently than Stormfront.

Alright guys, now that we can have more customization, what do you guys suggest we use for custom no image, file deleted, and spoiler images? Or should they be left as they are? I realize no image posting is turned off for this board, but I'd gladly turn it on if we had something to replace that ugly image (or if you guys are fine with the default and want it turned on).

Also should we change the default post name from anonymous to anything else? If so, any suggestions?

Also if anyone makes a custom theme for this board and everyone is generally okay with it, I'd gladly set it. I just have almost zero coding skills so I can't make one myself.

>muslim atheist

Does Richard Dawkins exist?

I was a liberal atheist. And then my stepson found radical Islam

Not even trying anymore

I was browsing Facebook today and this article just happened to pop up in my news feed. I cannot even begin to comprehend the level of stupidity in this article. To quote just a few sections:

"Like Eve, we are inclined to judge God’s Word based on our senses and our understanding of what is possible. For some people God’s Word passes the test, and for others it does not. But either way, the test itself is defective because it attempts to judge the infallible Word by standards that are fallible because they are human standards."

"God expects us to reason using our minds and to rely on our senses but not to judge Him and His perfect Word by these lesser standards."

Have Christians given up? This shit is fucking ridiculous. We are supposed to use our brains to reason and determine truth EXCEPT when it comes to the Bible? Does it even occur to this guy for one second that the Bible might NOT be infallible?

Holy shit why even bother with this debate anymore?

Link to full article: http://www.icr.org/article/8681

Progressive Islam

Islam admits its not the truth

hey /atheism/ whats some convincing proof of non-christian religions?

a lot of NDEs seem pretty convincing for the christian religion and some miracles seem damn impossible to rationally explain away for me http://listverse.com/2008/07/14/top-10-astonishing-miracles/

i was jsut thinknig convincing evidence for hinduism, buddhism, etc would make thi stuff less convincing

The meaning of life

Besides the morality topic, this is perhaps the biggest objection religious people have to the idea of a godless universe. Usually the logic is thus:

The only true meaning can be ordained by a divine creator who has given us a specific purpose in his grand scheme. If we do not have an objective purpose, then life is without meaning.

What does /atheism/ think?

Hello atheism *tips fedora* how are you? m'lady

I introduce you to >>>/pn/ politics and news

Here is a list of reasons why /pn/ needs to exist

/pn/ is the synthesis of /n/ -news and the various political boards. Events have made these boards separate. By having them separate, it is easy to avoid news items because the boards are separate versus if they are on the same board, such as /pn/.The boards need to be together to provide maximum exposure to new ideas and thus to increase learning and intellectual discussion.

/pol/ is a place for politically incorrect discussion, but not for politically correct discussion

/leftypol/ is a place for politically correct discussion, but not for politically incorrect discussion

/liberty/ is a place for libertarians, but not for non-libertarians

/anarcho/ is a place for anarchists and such, but not for non-anarchists

/midpol/ is a place for centrist political discussion, but not for either the extreme left or the extreme right

/polpol/ is a place for retards, but not a place for non-retards

>>>/pn/ is a place for all political discussions, no matter where you are on the political spectrum

I hope you will consider this delicious opportunity, this once-in-a-lifetime guarantee, this flavour of the month, this salty taco of the sea, this highly digestible banquet of ideas and stuff

http://www.science20.com/writer_on_the_edge/blog/scientists_discover_that_atheists_might_not_exist_and_thats_not_a_joke-139982

Ooooohohoho boy. HERE we go.

>all atheists think the same

>You can't fight what has been ingrained into your mind

>Theres no chance you will get rid of that.

Biblical Inerrancy DEBUNKED

>playing god

>it's ok when god does it

Your impressions of r/atheism

So i'm typically browse 4chan but today I decided to see what 8chan was.

I stumbled up /christian/ thinking it was a troll board only to realize it's apparently serious.

I was then told there's tons of documented miracles and that since the catholic church developed the big bang theory, helped understand genetics, etc. that means that they obviously know what they're talking about. Then was laughed at when I brought up the fact it's a mythology. How the FUCK can you possibly hold that opinion with all the information available to us?

TLDR; Please tell me how the fuck it's phsyically possible to regularly browse the internet and still believe in fairytales.

How do you feel about divided atheist communities?

( I am not a native speaker of english, so prepare for broken grammar)

These last few days I nostalgically looked at the old photos and videos of many famous atheists and internet atheist. I've traveled back to 2006. . So much has changed.

I've watched Pat Condel videos when he still considered himself a liberal. I remembered how his videos were much more mild and enjoyable….then liberals who are overly defensive of muslims turned him into what he is today. I didn't really understand it back then and considered him overly aggressive and angry. I did not understand it until 2015, when I was called a sexist, racist, transphobic or whatever for more times than I can count just because I disagree with certain liberal atheists. Now I sympathize with him.

I have watched Rebecca Watson videos. It seems that she always was a hypocrite with little empathy, but whatever, I don't think I would care if I had known about her before the whole "Elevatorgate" fiasco. Most atheists didn't even heard about her (nor do they cared) before "Elevatorgate". This is one of the first event that divided atheist community. Some atheists permanently labeled Richard Dawkins as "sexist" for making a joke about first world problems….I think that's where it all started.

The Amazing Atheist was always one of the most conversational figures among internet atheists for as long as I can remember , that didn't change.

In the last 3-4 years, there has a been a huge divide in atheist communities and many controversies are responsible for that. Issues that do not even involve atheists or religion at all (like "Shirtgate") divided atheist communities. Feminist atheists are offended by a shirt, made a sensitive genius cry and it caused another divide in atheist community. I've pretty much lost my respect for anyone who attacked him back then, unsubscribed from some Youtube and lost my faith in humanity.

Remember when Thunderfoot (I've never liked his videos btw) videos were about religion and not feminism? When feminists didn't piss him off and when he didn't make videos about feminism all the time?

Remember when atheists weren't shunned for not caring about feminism or shunned for being a feminists?

Discussions about vegetarianism usually cause a shitstorm in atheist groups, but that is in no way comparable to shitstorms related to feminism.

Remember when atheist conventions and feminists conventions didn't try to combine these two things together, thus alienating non-feminists and non-atheists?

Remember global atheist convention? Dawkins, Thunderfoot, Cristina Rad, Rebeca Watson and many others….all together, not fighting….SUPPORTING SCIENCE AND REASON and ridiculing religious fanatics…. I will post a relevant photo of this. Somewhat relevant. It may be misleading but that's how I remember atheist groups. There were always conflicts among atheists, nobody disputed that, but alienation of anyone who doesn't subscribe to western liberal way of thinking seems like a recent thing to me.

Darkmatter and many, many others can't stay silent forever and they aren't. Darkmatter2525 did not make a video about feminism yet but he often criticizes western feminists in his comments on some GG-related videos. I don't know about you (people who will care to read this), but this man is my favorite atheist Youtuber.

At least…this is the experience I had.

But….maybe it was always this way and I am just wasting internet space?

What do you guys think?

Do I make =any fucking sense= or do I just rant like a retarded five year old? Actually, I am not sure what my point is or do I have a point….but….what is with internet atheists lately? Why can't we share hugs? I want to convince Cristina Rad, Thunderfoot, Watson, Dawkins, everyone-that warm hugs are the best thing for them! They should all hug or have an orgy together because that would be hilarious and would benefit the secular cause in the west. Also, rule 34 and free porn.

Forget about that, I am serious. Am I posting incoherent rant like an old, grumpy "I remember where things were different" grandpa or did you experience it too? Do you think that atheist community has become divided in the last few years?

(here is where I got the image https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3657107030451&set=a.3657102830346.166869.1357876995&type=1&permPage=1)

"If your an atheist what is stopping you from blowing up a school?"

Do you think these people would blow up a school if they did not have a fear of going to hell?

Is your God?

Abortion

The line between fetus and developed human is a bit blurry considering early and late births. There must be some instance where the fetus is developed enough to be born and some lag phase until the mother's body recognizes this and gives birth.

So my question is at what point is it murder? I'd say when the fetus has those developed features necessary to exist outside the womb.

What is your opinion on Eugenics

So, I've been reading some biology and I concluded that currently there is no proof for the existence of god. Yes, no shit sherlock I know. Part of me is happy that there is no certainty that I'll go to hell for losing my virginity before marriage. Part of me is sad that I'm now a fedora tipping faggot. Now, if ya'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to my favourite nasheeds to become a true muslim again.

The Theory of Evolution

ITT: People who piss you off more than christfags

so, if atheists are so civilized,does that mean i would be able to peacefully live in Sweden without violence ever gracing me?

hey /atheists/,

i've got to ask, how do you respond to the claims of

-colton burpo (heaven is for real) [also how akiane saw jesus and it matched burpo's vision]

-angelica zambrano (saw hell)

-howard storm

-mary k baxter

-why do we exist in the first place and how could the big bang have occured without god?

-how do we get convincing accounts of demonic possesion in addition to Near Death Experiences? (there are claims of people speaking foreign languages fluently that they didnt know before being possessed)

i'd like to believe chrisitianity is all falsehoods since ive already lost loved ones but i can't convince myself 100% and i know that what i think won't change facts

Christian shilling

opinion thread

Street preacher owns himself and thinks that he owns atheists

MRA Atheists

Most scientists are not atheists/

I don't believe in God, or evolution.

Am I the only atheist that doesn't give a damn about the concept of morality?

i hate everyone it doesn't matter and this is my thread

Lifestyle

Gnosticism and Agnosticism

IT'S HAPPENING

Annoying thing said by Atheists.

Mob In Kabul Kills Woman For Allegedly Burning Koran

Atheist billboards

I'm Jewish and I think jesus is a false idol, so lets talk about it

Prejudice and Atheism

Thoughts on socialist economies

Theist cringe thread

I warned you of humanism, bro

School for Atheists

The Amazing Atheist

James Randi

Non-religious people more intelligent then religious people.

Pronouns

Christian hypocrisy

Favorite Relgion

Religion

/christian/ outreach?

Atheism may be growing in the west but christianity is catching on in china