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24f869 No.10152

Anyone else noticing more religious "debate" on 8chan compared to on 4chan?

From what I can remember from 4chan is whenever atheism was mentioned or someone insulting chrisfags it would be spammed with tips fedora meme'z and the conversion would die after that, seems more and more now that on 8chan is that a few people will argue.

Is this just me noticing it now or have any of you lot noticed this change as well or even disagree that change has happened?

3fdf19 No.10153

I never noticed, because the main boards I visited on 4chan were /a/ /jp/ /h/ and /d/

and religion was not a topic there.


36749c No.10160

>>10153

>Religion was never a topic on /jp/ /a/

I call bullshit. It wasn't as common as other boards such as /pol/ /v/ or fucking /b/, but it was still there.


38b607 No.10186

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People don't argue because there's no point in starting religious debates outside of shitposting. It never really goes anywhere.

The origin of the fedora maymay had to do with reddit-tier atheists being unable to contain their autism to themselves. Now using that meme to shut up faggots who can't go 5 minutes without shoving their philosophy down your throat is not something I'm against. But pretty soon though the fedora maymay was used not only as an instant "I win the debate" button in religious debates, but became a petty generic insult for people who disagree with you. Even fucking feminists started using it for MRAs and MGTOWs. Fedora isn't really insulting anymore because of how fucking meaningless it is now.

>>10160

Harhui is a false prophet.

Touhouism and it's holy prophet Chen (HBUH) is the true path to enlightenment.


3fdf19 No.10190

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>>10160

Well, sometimes there was a "Praise be our Goddess Madoka, for She died for our sins and gave us hope" macro, a thread on Evangelion symbolism, or a joke about Touhou religion, but I never saw any serious discussions.


ed01fa No.10224

How the fuck did Christianity of all things get popular on the chans. Is it just a meme it annoy hardcore fedora tippers or are Christians(exclude I go to church three times a year types) unironically browsing fucking 4chan? Do they have any sense of self awareness?


64d56a No.10225

>>10224

Heres a follow up question which will hopefully answer you: Do the majority of /pol/ or gamergate have any sense of self awareness? Really do that many people on 8chan have a good sense of self awareness?


36749c No.10229

>>10224

The ultimate end goal of Christianity is to convert the entire world and then convert the aliens.


99c961 No.10230

>>10224

It's a label some people like. Of course everything on image boards culture is very much the opposite of christianity.(In a good and a bad way).

But some think conservatives have to be christian and others think it has some hipster chic like driving a unicycle and having a pocket watch. They don't go to churches more often than you do and know probably even less about the bible.


38b607 No.10231

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>>10224

A number of things, really.

The first is contrarianism. I'm not one of those faggots who think HURR DURR 4CHAN/8CHAN IS FULL OF HIPSTER FAGGOTS but it's hard to deny that the chans always had a bit of an air of contrarianism and rebellion against the mainstream. As atheism exploded over the internet thanks to overly-vocal reddit atheists, the chans started to become religious (or claim to be so) due to hatred of reddit/the mainstream.

The second is of course Christians becoming more vocal. To fight against militant internet atheists, Christians started becoming more vocal to oppose them. As militant internet atheists started becoming less vocal due to people not wanting to hear their shit anymore (this includes most atheists), Christians didn't stop and continued to spew their shit. Though this thing was moreso contained on /pol/ and not the internet mainstream (which is now largely tired of religious arguments from both sides).

The third is of course /pol/. I'm willing to bet that many /pol/ Christians don't actually believe this shit (or rather, only started believing it after constantly hammering it into their head), but only see it as a means to end degeneracy and promote traditionalism. Of course, there are quite a few Christian values that don't exactly align with many /pol/ values, but I imagine most /pol/ Christians don't think about it too much. At least the neopagan nordfags have a religion that's consistent with their political views.


3d6764 No.10238

>>10231

I'm no expert on /pol/ but back in the day they were pretty staunchly cultural Christians. Miracles and the nature of salvation weren't discussed it was just the wider effect that Christianity had on society.

Ironically enough once the 8chan variety Christian started conversing with /pol/ you saw the backlash. The pagans, the atheists, and now the growing dislike of so called cultural Christians. I think that as you said, they realized actual Christianity doesn't align with their values. Fundamentalism is only going to get more popular. It's clear that watered down religion can't survive without their followers eventually abandoning religion altogether now that that's a socially acceptable thing to do.


ed01fa No.10239

>>10231

>but only see it as a means to end degeneracy and promote traditionalism

>end degeneracy

Fucking kek. I never could take people who complain about degeneracy on 4/8chan seriously. Complain about Jews or niggers all you want but don't complain about degeneracy when you probably have a second tab of a dickgirl fucking someone so hard there entire stomach is bulging out.


36749c No.10249

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>>10239

Degeneracy as a concept makes no sense. Even after asking around for years, I still have no fucking clue what degeneracy even is or why it's bad.


2edc14 No.10255

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>>10231

>At least the neopagan nordfags have a religion that's consistent with their political views.

I disagree. The crowd over at /asatru/ seem to be more interested in the Third Reich than Norse Paganism. They would find one of the Abrahamic faiths to be much, much more in tune with their ideology than true Norse heathenism.


f406ae No.10257

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>>10249

It makes sense, degeneracy in the societal sense is ethical decay. I realize cuckservatives fling this word around like no tomorrow but it's valid for rational ethical standards, not crazy religious ones.

Gawker is a great example of degeneracy. And you can see for yourself why it's bad.


50b246 No.10258

>>10249

I think it's supposed to be this idea that culture was once at its ideal point, and people have grown more open minded and deviated from that. The second part is objectively true, but the idea is that society used to be better, so changing it is a degenerative process.

Some people just never realize shit has always been pretty bad, but when you're a kid you don't understand very much and are probably shielded from the bad stuff to a certain extent. So people compare now to when they were kids and think everything's gotten worse when really they just know more now.


36749c No.10262

>>10257

Conservatives kinda invented degeneracy

I know of Gawker. But ethical decay cannot destroy society anymore than people let it. And let's face it, these people are a small minority.

Also, what does cuckoldry have to do with anything?

>>10258

>but the idea is that society used to be better, so changing it is a degenerative process.

This is the same "grass is greener fallacy" that liberals use that conservatives mock.

>So people compare now to when they were kids and think everything's gotten worse when really they just know more now.

This explains a lot. I was raised in a conservative household, so I fell victim to this as well.


f406ae No.10264

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>>10262

>Conservatives kinda invented degeneracy

Not really, they may have coined the term but this matter was discussed for eons. Also just like you don't need religion for morals, you don't need conservatism for a concept of degeneracy.

>But ethical decay cannot destroy society anymore than people let it.

They let society crumble because their ethics have decayed. Not that all societies should be saved but this is the general case.

Look at it this way. Consider a set of ethics and culture where science and reason are prioritized. So going from this to a faith based or everything is just as valid as the facts culture is degeneration. Some pastures are greener than others, the fallacy is assuming it's the other side always when you can evaluate the chlorophyll concentration averages between the blades of grass in each pasture.


73824d No.10265

>>10257

Gawker is shit because it's nothing but blogging and shilling, not because of what it promotes. It wouldn't be as bad if they would prqomote whatever with arguments, even weak ones.

>>10264

If society would actively want to crumble, as opposed to the usual desire for change, then neither hiding behind the systems or enforcing the past ethics wouldn't stop it.


f406ae No.10266

>>10265

> as opposed to the usual desire for change

Not all change is good change, crumbling is a form of change. Sometimes change is degeneracy, sometimes it is improvement. This is the problem with modern day progressivism, it seems to lack this concept and assume change = good.


f406ae No.10267

>>10265

>Gawker is shit not because of what it promotes

I disagree, what they promote is just as bad as the shilling and blogging. It's modern day racism and sexism under the guise of anti-racism and anti-sexism. They are cancer through and through.


3fdf19 No.10269

>>10266

I.e. Optimism and the will to experiment vs stagnation and regression. One path will lead us to the future, the other will shackle us to the slaveries of the past.


73824d No.10270

>>10267

Those are bad because they are almost exclusively promoted by shilling. If they would use arguments, they would expose themselves even more, but could claim some honesty.

>>10266

I don't think progressivism has ever had anything to do with significant change.

Both keeping a bad society going and crumbling a bad one are things that can only be controlled by those in it.



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