/atheism/ - Atheism

>>10327

>I think environmentalists exaggerate the human effect for their own noble goals

Not quite, they exaggerate the value of nature. Also very few know anything about ecology at all and believe in bullshit like trees crying when you cut them down. They sensationalize a lot of shit but CO2 and other GHG concentrations causing climate instability aren't one of them.

Modern environmentalism is very much rooted in Biblical nonsense that nature is sacred. They call upon this oxymoron called subjective intrinsic value of nature. Now intrinsic values do not exist because of the nature of values being subjective. Value isn't an intrinsic property of an object like it's mass or chemical composition, it doesn't get value from itself. A mind has to assign value to an object for it to have value. Therefore an object doesn't have value in itself. Value is entirely an extrinsic property. Weight is an extrinsic property because it varies depending on the gravitational field the object is subject to much like the value of nature varies depending on the subjective evaluations of people.

Now that we got that out of the way, artificial systems, where man just modifies nature for his needs, are often superior. Nature has a lot of shitty schematics like the laryngeal nerve.

Personally, I think a much nobler goal would be shaping the earth into a controllable environment. Where we have control over the atmospheric gases and their cycles. Where there are no mosquitoes and other pests, rather genetically modified species that aren't fucking annoying can occupy those trophic levels. Where we shape ecology so that we get the weather patterns which are best for us at steady state. Look at it this way the environment always changes, most of the species that have ever existed are extinct, might as well mold the earth to serve us. Might as well have the Earth operate like an ecological machine that we can control.

Environmentalism is nothing but cuckolding progress for nature. I had a prof in an environmentalism course I took to avoid gender studies bs for my elective who literally suggested feedlots were a problem because of cramping then suggested we should live in denser communities to leave more nature alone. Fuck that, those cows can't even do basic arithmetic.

>>10330

Planetary distance from the sun matters, it's just we're still in that safe range. Solar intensity also matters because of how GHGs work, they trap heat. The thing is the variation is solar activity is minimal.

>>10350

>human-induced climate change is a scientific fact

Don't say this like I disagree anywhere. I don't, it's clear as day the role GHGs have in tapping solar radiation and that we are changing the concentrations of those gases with industrial emissions of CO2, methane, etc.

>I don't need to care what the environmentalist activists may think or whether there are big PR campaigns to try to discredit the factual accuracy of climate change

Except they are the largest groups influencing policy regarding how we are to deal with climate change.

Environmentalism is to environmental science as astrology is to astronomy. Was the only point I was trying to make.

My parents are boomers who watch mainstream TV news and shitty reality TV a lot. I like to talk to them about stuff like this to get a sense of what your average idiot American thinks.

Apparently, it's the height of arrogance to think humans have the ability to change the planet, that a few degrees difference in temperature is irrelevant, and so is a few feet in sea level rise.

In other news, we will never ever run out of oil and alternative energy is just an attempt by a fascist NWO trying to control what our air conditioning is set to. And oil spills don't matter, because we can just go clean it up, and fracking doesn't matter, because natural gas leaking out into the atmosphere just makes it easier to harvest. Besides, if we ever pump too much pollution into the atmosphere, we can just pump it back out, or pump it into space.

>>10429

I think you are referring to the Carboniferous, a geological period marked by the unrestrained growth of land plants.

this increased the O2 levels in the atmosphere and coal levels on earth. when volcanic eruptions occurred shit was set on fire and moved all that carbon in form of CO2 to the atmosphere, giving birth to the next great geological era: the Permian, a period marked by increased temperatures and mass extinction.

the Jurassic period occurred way later.