/atheism/ - Atheism

>>10368

Obama is already a secret Muslim born in Kenya. You can't top that.

>>10368

>implying Shillary won't win

Bernie is the new Ron Paul.

>>10370

I also heard he was a closet Atheist.

>>10374

I heard he was a filthy protestant.

>>10378

Australia

>>10378

Alexis Tsipras and François Hollande are openly atheist. Most of the leaders of Western Europe are very secular. "Cultural Christians" as the big churches would disdainfully describe them.

Alexis seems particularly amazing as Greece is overwhelmingly Christian. It seems the USA is a standout in caring about the religion of our elected officials.

Just semi-related:

Japan had surprisingly many Christian prime ministers.

>>10378

Well, Lee Kuan Yew hasn't been prime minister of Singapore since 1990 but as Minister Mentor(a position created just for him) he still had considerable influence on its politics. He was openly agnostic while practicing some Chienese rites for cultural reasons.

>>10378

And yet a broad swath of religous conservatives voted for mitt romney, who follows the current president….er prophet of the mormon church.

>>10381

Do they really know what mormons believe or do they think mormons are just christians with ugly underwear.

>>10378

America would hate a Catholic President?

The last president that anyone remembers fondly was Catholic.

and I'd vote for a Catholic before I voted for a Mormon.

Catholics don't have a prophecy about overthrowing the United States government.

http://www.mrm.org/white-horse-prophecy/

and as a former Catholic,, I have to tell you that people vastly overestimate the influence of the Pope on Catholics.

>>10389

The last Catholic president was shot in the head.

>>10395

last only

>>10381

Not surprising since Christfags are basically Jews 2.0

Many, I really want to like Bernie, but I think hes too idealistic and wouldn't be able to lead effective. However we all know its going to be a close race between Shillary and whatever suite the republicans decide to put out, and at least they are honest about being corporate cucks unlike the dems who still act like they support the working/lower class.

>>10411

After he caved to the BLM movement, he's lost all of my support. I have no idea who I will vote for now.

>>10368

vote Lawrence Lessig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik1AK56FtVc

>>10418

I'm still going to vote for him in the primaries to weaken Hillary a bit. Then I'll vote for whoever they put up against her. I would take literally Hitler over someone who doesn't stand for anything and will shift however the wind blows.

>>10378

Uruguay just had José Mujica. Openly atheist, known in the media for his ascetic lifestyle which catches the eye in contrast with the usual opulence of high government officers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mujica#Personal_life

>>10389

as a former catholic I think you underestimate the influence of the pope on catholics. the vatican is the only remaining theocracy in the world. they know the accounting and demographics of most people in latin america and many africans. all this power coupled with the usual theistic delusions is a time bomb waiting for the next crusade or the next conquest to happen.

>>10436

>using a dank clipshow on the side as a crutch for his lack of speaking skills

>he's in the Bilderberg group

>muh Reagan

dropped

>>10436

Ugh, no.

>>10377

>>10374

>>10370

he is whatever the voters would like to see on a president, and your average voter is a christcuck.

his father was allegedly atheist though

>>10368

Wow you're right, he casually dodged the question of whether he believed in God. You'd probably never see a Republican presidential nominee do that. I don't like how he used God in the sentence before that though, seems like he might have hoped he could imply something silly, withiut being called out on it but at least he didn't lie about it after that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/24/bernie-sanders-our-first-agnostic-president/

>>12556

Not a great example since there was massive controversy specifically because he was a catholic.

I don't think most Americans really give a shit these days though.

>>12557

Yes, there was some controversy but he still won the election.

But not many people get that worked up about it anymore,, except for the hardcore fundies.. they really hate the Catholic Church.

>>12556

Catholics today make up 22 percent of the population of america. I don't think it was ever as big a deal as an Atheist would be, although how Mitt Romney got so much of the Republican vote as a Mormon counfounds me.

(Romney received as much support from the white evangelical vote as George W. Bush did in 2004, or 79%.) They must vote party line in a dogmatic way.

>>12558

>he still won the election.

…and was shot in the head.

>>10368

Is Trump a christian?

>>12863

But bernie calls himself a socialist

>>12863

Why do evangelicals score so low, below gays and Mormons?

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/12/06/carson-s-schizophrenia-toward-god-america/76888952/

> (Iowan talking about ben Carson) “I’m sold on the fact that he knows God. That’s important to me,” Allen said.

What sucks is that an Objectivist, Ted Cruz, is taking his place in the polls.

>>12869

They're associated with WBC and their ilk.

>>10374

Atheism is a religion though so that doesn't make a difference.

>>12972

>/atheism/- Atheism

>The rejection of belief in the existence of deities

Have you been rendered unable to read and comprehend by birth or circumstance?

>>12862

Many agnostics would agree with the words of H. P. Lovecraft: "In theory I am an agnostic, but pending the appearance of radical evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist."

On the other side of the coin, many practicing theists would classify agnostics as hellbound. It's not like the blazing fires of jahannam can tell the difference between atheists, agnostics, and bacon lovers.

>>12977

No that definition is inaccurate.

Atheism: A religion that mandates that you rebel against your parents, usually by insulting Christianity and welcoming Islam. Some rituals commonly practiced by atheists include going onto online forums and telling themselves how enlightened they are by their own intelligence, whining about boobs in video games, complaining when their doctors advise them to lose weight, and blaming Christians for all of society's problems. Many of them believe humanity would have colonized space by now if civilization had just rejected Christianity and instead embraced the much more tolerant and progressive values of Islam.

>>12998

Lol, sounds just like an edgy opinion. I can support the definition on this site with one or more dictionaries. Can you?

>>13002

That sounds like a correct definition, assuming they correctly define "socially progressive" and they certainly want to apply their rules to others speech.

What is this, some juvenile attempt to discredit the dictionary? Because we can go through it one by one. I can assure you there are more words in any dictionary that are correct and factual than the cherry picked example you may provide.

This is google on dogs

>a domesticated carnivorous mammal that typically has a long snout, an acute sense of smell, and a barking, howling, or whining voice. It is widely kept as a pet or for work or field sports.

Now we're even. You want to keep going?

>>13044

Didnt he say it would only apply to immigrants not visitors? But yeah no rich Persians would be allowed to settle down in the US.

>>13045

>>13046

Good, the last thing we need is more rich Islamists perpetuating their religion here by buying off corrupt media and politicians.

It's pretty pathetic seeing people willing to sell away their country for some chump change. America's problem is rooted in this mentality. That's why America's production infrastructure is sold off overseas, why politicians are so corrupt. People need to stop thinking about fiat and precious metals instead start valuing things which matter like a strong production infrastructure, strong science research. And no these things do not come with allowing people who would spend their money on perpetuating theocracy, their investments go to undermine these things.

>>13057

>>13055

Come on now, I don't like Islam or any religion for that matter but a total ban on any Muslim entering the US is stupid. It would screw with international business, and diplomacy. Not to mention it implies that even US citizens who are Muslim wouldn't be allowed back in because the wording is broad.

>>13058

No it isn't stupid. It is the only sensible course of action out of the given the other choices. Having to tip toe around their sensibilities has gotten out of hand. They have demonstrated time and time again that their values are incompatible with ours. Fuck them, fuck them for killing people who dare draw a cartoon ffs. Fuck them for putting my family's life in danger.

International business and diplomacy are already screwed up because of how much Muslims run the show with their oil. We need to break off our dependence on oil or take over Saudi Arabia. And I'd deport Muslims within the States too. And if there weren't so many Christians I'd throw them out as well. We need to eradicate religion and this is a step forward.

I know this is extreme, but religion is the root of so many of our problems. I'm tired of taking the liberal course of action, it takes too long and I want to see progress in my lifetime. We can have liberalism when we have eliminated the most illiberal thing in existence, this mental cage that we grant freedoms to. It's asinine it's like giving slavers freedom, sure it's not slavery by force but it slavery by coercion. In fact a religious person is much more a slave than a typical slave for they think they are free.

>>13061

> madman

Hail trump! If it comes down to him and Hillary I would rather vote for him for 4 years of laughs. I'll be out of the country by then.

>>13056

You are the one taking it out of context.

He was talking about sacrificing the rights of honest Internet users in the name of security and disbanding ISIS operations.

Not only he is a fool with no understanding of how the Internet works, he's also your average authoritarian asking for more power in order "to protect you".

Shillary is wrong too, but she is not as outspokenly foolish and authoritarian as Trump

Most liberals are, but many conservatives, perhaps the majority, aren't. Conservatives still seem to value religion a lot.

>“I think everyone believes in God in their own ways, “ he said. “To me, it means that all of us are connected, all of life is connected, and that we are all tied together.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-finally-answers-the-god-question/2016/01/26/83429390-bfb0-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html

I think that this is the furthest you can go in admitting your irreligiousness in contemporary American politics.

>"Every great religion in the world – Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism –essentially comes to do unto others as you would like them to do unto you," he said during CNN's Democratic town hall event on Tuesday night.

>"It's very easy to turn our backs on hungry kids, veterans sleeping on the street, but I believe that what human nature is about…everybody impacts everybody else in all kinds of ways that we can't understand. That's my religion. That's what I believe in."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-religion_us_56cd8ad7e4b0ec6725e477ce

>>14247

I'll take a secular humanist president over the the the "I love God and am a religious zealot" charade that older voters fall for.

>>14248

Giving a possible nomination, will the Republicans come down hard on him or will his Jewish identity somehow protect him? Evagelicals are known for sucking up to Jews and Trump has strong ties to Jewish communities as well.

>>14247

>veterans

I don't get the american boner for ex-soldiers. They were some time in war for reasons you probably not even support and now the have the status of saints.

>>14250

I think it's partly pity since many are forced to risk their health due to poor prospects, especially in the impoverished south. But shouldn't we pity the janitors and wage slaves who work in dirty, dishonorable and dangerous jobs even more?

I'm not patriotic or an imperialist so I never really felt an affinity to the military, and I tend to think of them as brainwashed jingoists, or jarheads. They behave uncouthly abroad too, like in Japan I saw them talking loudly on the train and throwing crap in the wrong recycling bins. I told them which bin it went in and they grinned and were like this country has silly rules, who cares? (That attitude and their tendency to rape locals abroad is why they're hardly allowed to leave the bases now.)

>>14273

Not all are like that. The role does does invite some bro types and when I served, I did succumb somewhat to the personality of those around me. You have to fulfill a role where sometimes you face death so from the top down, you're taught the world can be a threatening place. And that's a holdover from past wars, imo, but today's climate the US military seems to serve more of a policing role and it probably needs to change to be a bit more hospitable to foreigners and I think it has somewhat. It just tends to be slow at change, like all conservative entities.

But I agree about the veteran worship. My father did construction and wore himself out through the years. At times working on roofs and in dangerous situations, he's risked his life to shelter people. He's had co-workers who've died on the job. He's an old man now, in bad health and on SS, barely gets enough to get by. There's plenty of hard working people out there that've worked hard to serve my country, and to some extent the world by risking their lives to build infrastructure for people that serve the country and world. They don't get enough credit.

>>10418

>>10437

Vote Donald Trump 2016

>>14293

Trump is smarter than he lets on, problem is he does old school politics, meaning he is nuanced behind closed doors but will put on a show and lots of rhetoric for the masses

>>14302

We don't need another show. Trump reminds me of Yeltsin, a big mouth who doesn't know when to shut up. I don't respect people like that. You should let your logic and actions speak louder. I much more respect someone like Putin who's little words and more action. I don't even care if we have a religious president, at least take the role seriously and keep your mouth shut when you need to. Trump's a faux conservative. The kids and inbreds love him because he's unrefined and to them, that's being edgy and "speaking his mind".

Money shelters you from very bad consequences. In my work, one mis-step and I could die from falling. In his work, he might have to rough it and do away with the gold-plated toilet if he fucks up. He says more how he feels because he's been sheltered most of his life. In the presidency, there's harsh consequences for failure and it's something they should be aware of.

But fuck, I really don't care too much. At least if he's president, it'll probably be amusing. It probably goes without saying, I'm not big on any candidates this election.

>>14316

Also, before anyone cries about missing context in the video, he speaks of talking to Bill Gates. About what people can or can't say on the internet before being called terrorists. Think about that.

Internet, we had this talk in the Bush years. Banning certain speech is a slippery slope and I think most of us agreed that it's better to be able to speak freely than worry about people being called terrorists for anything that hurt someone's feelings or made them feel uncomfortable. Besides that, you just push terrorism underground and shrink the cages of speech rights. I was partly with him at first but soon discovered this fucker has more vigilance for things that hurt his feelings than he has brains.

>>14354

>replacing religion with ration and optimum

for what purpose

>>14354

Hitchens was a socialist and leaned left, so he may well have gone Bernie Sanders.

>>14354

He wants to interfere in the ME because he thinks he'll earn brownie points from his pet zombie Jew and sandnigger god.

Fuck, why can't we have a rational white man who doesn't worship a sandnigger god, has nothing to do with sandniggers and doesn't use sandniggers as his excuse to inhibit the rights of others?

I'll probably hesitantly vote for him or not for anyone. He'd change my opinion a lot by forgetting the religious shit altogether.

>>14376

Mine was the thread above. Yeah, I don't think I could bring myself to vote for him. That's some fucked up shit. One day we'll have a president who doesn't base policies on supernatural bullshit, maybe.

>>14361

Yet he supported Bush over the other candidates while still not liking Bush.

>>14368

That's the situation, he's the best turd out of that steaming pile of bullshit we have as candidates.

>>14376

>All these people want to censor the internet. Vote for someone who'd want to do the exact same thing!

Except there is a difference of who is being targeted. Someone saying "mean things" on the internet isn't equivalent to ISIS recruiting people. One is hurt feelings the other is an actual danger. Which was the point.

>He's interested in ending the ones that aren't his and despite what you might think, that doesn't lead to any change in mind for the people who want to end the same religions he does but preserve the same religions he does.

I know what his intentions are but it's not about what his intentions are, it's about what the end result can be. His actions would lead to a negation of religious tolerance. Right now secularism is the biggest obstacle to global atheism. It was necessary for getting out of theocracy but now it is what keeps religion around. And there is no way he can get church and state together again, the only plausible outcome would be a negation of this bullshit notion of religious tolerance.

Meanwhile Hillary and Bernie will pander to Muslims excusing their religion as they have been actively doing and further cementing religious tolerance as dogma. The other Republicans would push Christianity being persecuted and Islam is a religion of peace. Only Trump will have this double standard which can be easily exposed and if we play our cards right it could be a chance to laying the groundwork to expelling religion once and for all.

>>14384

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/19/hillary-clinton-muslims-peaceful-tolerant-nothing-whatsoever-terrorism/

>Hillary Clinton: Muslims Are ‘Peaceful and Tolerant,’ Have ‘Nothing Whatsoever to Do With Terrorism’

http://www.breitbart.com/jihad/2015/10/29/bernie-sanders-vows-to-lead-fight-not-against-jihad-terror-but-against-islamophobia/

>Bernie Sanders Vows to Lead Fight Not Against Jihad Terror, but Against ‘Islamophobia’

>>14385

And on the Retardlican end:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/30/jeb-bush-on-islam

>Jeb Bush thinks Islam has been 'hijacked' by 'barbarians'

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/muslims-in-india-are-peaceful-ted-cruz-reacts-to-donald-trump-quoting-india-example-1255834

>'Muslims In India Are Peaceful': Ted Cruz Reacts To Donald Trump Quoting India Example

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/01/ted-cruz-preaches-theocracy-im-a-christian-first-american-second/

>Ted Cruz Preaches Theocracy: ‘I’m a Christian first, American second’

http://time.com/4199328/republican-debate-marco-rubio-faith/

>At one point in the evening, Rubio said “Judeo-Christian values” are what makes America a “special country.”

All Candidates sucks, all memes aside Trump is a wildcard, he actually has a pretty liberal past but has duped the the republican base because they just want to give the establishment the middle finger. The rest of the GOP is a bunch of empty suits, and I don't even have to say anything about Shillary. I can't get behind Bernie, there is no way we can pay to expand social security, veteran's benefits, universal healthcare, 4 years of college, expand these benefits to 10+ million illegal immigrants and raise the minimum wage.

>>14316

Plus he's going to strengthen libel laws to the point where a purposely negative story about him will trigger a lawsuit. Even if, for some stupid reason, someone thinks Trump is a perfect uncorrectable angel who would never abuse such a power, what's the next president going to do? Aren't Trump supporters afraid of what the next democrat president would do to Fox, Breitbart, or Drudge?

>>14512

>Bernie takes lead

>Jewdelegates still have to vote for Hillary

>Trump wins republican nomination

>Republican establishment can't take this, they support Romney or someone else running as an independent

>two part system collapses

One can hope.

Trump because kikedikejewniggerfaggotcucknormiefem is keeping me down, taking my free speech, my jobs, my women, my money, my vidyagames, etc. I wish they'd stop oppressing and offending me so I can be successful. It has nothing to do with me a whiney faggot who complains about his failures on an imageboard, it's all kikedikejewniggerfaggotcucknormiefem's fault. Trump will shelter me and keep those mean people from hurting my feelings on the internet and make me successful.

>>14536

What a dunce, holy shit.

>>14536

Hope he gets some better advisors and stops pontificating to the lowest denominator of Americans.

>>14536

looks like trolling tbh, though environmental policy as has been implemented is very much to be something that hurts Western manufacturing while giving China a free pass. It's kinda dumb to cuck your infrastructure over climate models when the whole world isn't on board with it. The only thing that will end up happening is manufacturing will move out of your country to China and CO2 levels will climb slowly warming the mean temp as they would've, only difference is your country lost production.

Though that's kinda hard to explain when both positions have it beaten into them that preserving the environment in suspended animation is a top priority, one just thinks it already is that way while the other would hang itself to put it in that state. So really both positions are idiotic. Climate change is real but unless there is a global effort to stop it, carbon credits and hybrid vehicles will barley dent it. It's entirely possible Trump knows this and is going with the side that is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons just because they're doing the right thing and arguing this wouldn't be worth the effort since they're already doing the right thing. Not how I like to go about things but nuance and prioritizing is beyond most people, everything seems to have to be framed in absolutes for the masses. Essentially unless you frame x = good or y = bad, forget about your place in modern politics.

>>14541

Sounds like you're looking for a savior. You look at the bible and see how many people use complex mental gymnastics to make phrases like "turn the other cheek", "thou shalt not murder", "…and shalt stone them with stones, till they die", etc fit their needs. People deify a person and try their hardest to make their savior's words fit their motives or make them seem like something more. You see this for all kinds of groups. They'll do anything to make sure their leader isn't seen in a bad light.

>Trump says something idiotic and it's trolling or (insert 1000 word mental gymnastics to make his comment look good)

>>14540

That's not a very accurate source, read its wikipedia page. And I don't think this is a Democrat/Republican thing here as much as you'd love to play the persecution card. I think a lot of us here are independent as I am with conservative leanings, I don't care as long as they're not total idiots. Sometimes your lord and savior is a shit, and sometimes they need called out on it.

>>14546

>straw grasping the post

>>14550

You realize this >>14541 is your previous comment? You were grasping like an Ethiopian in a biscuit factory.

>>14552

Except what I wrote there is true, climate policy only helps China's manufacturing infrastructure for some hipster feel good points. Doesn't really curb AGW in any significant way. Meanwhile all he did is sperg out about some savior nonsense when Trump could very well be a troll. Now I'm willing to accept those stats may be bad, since it's a bit low knowing Dems.

inb4 myopic report by carbon tax proponents saying how industry isn't flocking to China when it is

those are as good as those articles written by the oil industry that AGW don't real

>>14562

You do realize you care about the trade deficit because of money? And you care about money because it takes care of you? Ok, I'm putting this in elementary terms, but when you allow free reign of business despite what harm they cause to everyone, that doesn't take care of you and in some cases, the harm is very long-lasting.

Now you get it. Now you see why it'll affect you even if you think you're sheltered. You'll go nowhere just thinking of yourself other than up your own ass. You can say you don't care and it won't affect you but you can say it over and over, it will. Careful not to let your feelings get in the way of logic.

>>14565

>You do realize you care about the trade deficit because of money?

Money buys happiness and more and more will provide better wellbeing as medicine advances.

>but when you allow free reign of business

That's actually not what I'm calling for at all. I'm saying when a country as relatively big as China doesn't have enviro policies and you do it's not good for you given the situation. It's like disarming your nukes when no treaty has been signed and they don't give a fuck for these feel good gestures. Kyoto Accord, etc are all jokes.

>Careful not to let your feelings get in the way of logic.

Hence why I don't let empathy cloud my judgment. I will be better off richer.

>>14567

Money won't mean shit if you're in a world clouded and polluted with shit. Medicine won't advance much either if we're busy trying to fix diseases caused by us shitting in our own beds. Chine has to fix their issues also, they know it and you know it or else their short gains won't mean shit.

I know it's edgy and popular here right now to defend unfettered business practice and being rich over being right since you discovered Trump, but most of us can see the short-sightedness and the headlessness due to many heads in asses.

>>14569

It's funny you have the gall to call any one shortsighted. Medicine won't advance at all when there is no money to pay for research. Meanwhile the average global temp will rise in the worst case by 4degC by the end of the century which isn't a problem for wealthier nations that can afford desalination, greenhouses, and more resilient crops. And most other pollutants are more localized so it's about being smart with where you live.

Now unless medicine develops to the point where I can live past the end of the century and it won't without a thriving economy these environmental problems won't mean shit to any of us who weren't dumb enough to live in a city. Otherwise it's only a problem for some 3rd world shitholes who cannot establish reliable agriculture anyway.

>>14570

>most other pollutants are more localized so it's about being smart with where you live.

Did you know over a fifth of China's soil has already been declared toxic? You can't control which way the wind blows, it's not going to all go the same way forever. Leave the polluters alone and the wind will blow in your direction enough times to ruin your garden too.

And this semi-permanent environmental degradation was as preventable as planning for black swan events at Fukushima. Chernobyle grain is still radioactive, and most people naturally refuse to buy it with any level of radiation. Most farmers will refuse to live there long after most of the radiation subsides. If that sounds irrational, consider whether you would want to raise kids in Pitcher, Oklahoma or Fukushima if you knew you would be subjected to even a little more radiation and lead? Not in my backyard is short-sighted and eventually the whole world will be such a poluted dystopia that there will be nowhere to run.

>we're so rich we can just pay wall off the coasts of all the major cities and pump any water that splashes over in record breaking storms back into the sea. We can power the pumps forever with more energy from nuclear power, and by burning "clean coal!" Don't conserve, just burn more fuels faster! I want cheaper electricity now, not systems that waste less power!

Btw Global warming is a real cost. Nasa itself is paying millions of dollars to dump sand for a barrier wall because the waves are already eroding a research facility. Eventually the barrier will wear away and they will have to repeat this at considerable expense. That's another added cost for any rich nation, and not every city can devote ten percent of the budget to constructing and maintaining massive sea walls. Invariably some towns will have to be evacuated.

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/waters-edge-the-crisis-of-rising-sea-levels/

>>14571

>Leave the polluters alone and the wind will blow in your direction enough times to ruin your garden too.

Not if you're so far from the pollution it cannot physically be swept into your garden in any appreciable concentration. Industry cannot move everywhere, there are many places that are unsuitable either because they're too remote or the land is difficult to build foundations on for such plants, etc. More importantly learn2 inverse square law, it could save your life. So some winds may one day blow some minuscule concentration of pollutants in my garden and the other day another wind will blow it all away. Now if I really gave a fuck I'd build a greenhouse but I don't even have to worry about that and probably won't

>Not in my backyard is short-sighted and eventually the whole world will be such a poluted dystopia that there will be nowhere to run.

Except this is nothing more than a half baked doomsday prediction when your backyard is far from the area of pollution. By your logic Europe would be as irradiated as Chernobyl by now.

>That's another added cost for any rich nation

And the nation wouldn't be rich in the first place had it not been for manufacturing. Besides CO2 concentration will continue to climb till you do something about China. Now if you fuck industry hard enough as the West has been doing not only will you have these sea level problems but you won't be able to pay for the solutions. So really you're the one who is myopic.

This is what you hippies don't understand, your costs are real but they pale in comparison to the cost of loss of industry.

>>14576

Pollution will affect you whether you like it or not. People like you want to play isolationist in a world connected, which is retarded. Keep it up and the only ones who'll have a country worth having will be the ones without industry, the third world countries. You'll be dying to live in a country belonging to niggers. They'll be laughing as they implement policies to keep out the pigskins who know little about industrial moderation.

But I don't care if industry gets fucked. We'll always have industry, we won't always have a clean world if industry goes unchecked. The solution isn't 'they're doing it so we should', it's to steer that country towards a more sustainable goal.

And if anyone's a hippie here, it's you. You think being dirty, carefree and happy is the way to go. No, it may not make you feel good but you have to learn to keep yourself and everyone in check or else we'll leave our kids in a literal world of shit. I take some sort of solace in that this is something you'd say with anonymity and not in public because you know it's wrong and you know it'll fuck your kids over if you ever have any and they read it some day. I also have a feeling this view is something that was only something that gained what little ground it has is because of Trump's recent bit of popularity. Because it's cool to be an overly dramatic clown who speaks with more affirmation than confirmation. Rarely did I see anyone take this position seriously in previous years. Most people have long realized and stated the flaws in it.

> *I also have a feeling this view gained what little ground it has because…

I need to stop listening to podcasts when replying.

>>14583

>Pollution will affect you whether you like it or not.

Again learn to inverse square law for local pollutants and for global pollutants realize you need to stop it globally or your gesture is meaningless. Holy shit, how many circles do we need to go around till this sinks in?

>People like you want to play isolationist in a world connected, which is retarded.

Connected in what way though? CO2 emissions, not local pollutants such as sulfur dioxide etc.

>Keep it up and the only ones who'll have a country worth having will be the ones without industry, the third world countries.

Except their countries are the ones which are most affected by climate change, see drought in Africa fro more details.

>But I don't care if industry gets fucked.

Because you're a myopic pampered inner city dweller who cannot appreciate all industrialization has provided for you. Go live in the fucking woods and be one with this planet whose name literally means dirt if you really believe this.

>We'll always have industry, we won't always have a clean world if industry goes unchecked.

Who says we cannot clean it up? Not without industry anyway. Besides it take a while for pollution to engulf the world in appreciable concentrations due to inverse square law for local pollutants. And even for global pollutants such as CO2 as even the IPCC admitted the worst case scenario is 5degC increase in average temp by the end of the century. By then me and you will probably be dead.

> The solution isn't 'they're doing it so we should', it's to steer that country towards a more sustainable goal.

LOL it's funny how you talk about a connected world but don't know what are the relevant connections. When they pump CO2 and you fuck your industry you've just fucked yourself six ways to Sunday.

> You think being dirty, carefree and happy is the way to go

Says the guy who doesn't give a fuck about industry. You realize all those cleaning solutions come from industry right?

> or else we'll leave our kids in a literal world of shit.

Have you considered not being a retard and not having kids?

> something you'd say with anonymity and not in public because you know it's wrong

The reason I don't say this in public is because society is very intolerant of people with differing views.

>Rarely did I see anyone take this position seriously in previous years. Most people have long realized and stated the flaws in it.

Go cuck yourself to Hillary and Bernie then, or are Rubiobot and Christcuck Cruz more your tune. In any event Trump is the most sensible of all of them. Bernie's policies would sink the economy overnight, hillary, and rubio will sell everyone out the the corporations and cruz is eternally christcucked. Also you mention niggers the only way we can turn the tides on that is going with Trump and his walls. He's our best shot, meanwhile Bernie "white people don't know what it's like to be poor", Sanders will continue perpetuating the myth that white people are privileged oppressors. And I don't even need to bring up Hillary on this or the open border Republicans.

>>14584

You should consider not replying altogether.

>>14585

Looks like someone didn't watch enough educational cartoons as a kid, because he still doesn't believe in what Captain Planet has to say. The environmental god has waited patiently for change since the 90's, but you looters and polluters are making the planet angry.

>>14585

>By then me and you will probably be dead.

You were called shortsighted already but too retarded to realize. But that statement is really all that needs said to know you have no business voting, having kids or anything affecting Americans in the future.

>>12912

>Objectivist, Ted Cruz

is he atheist and liberal/libertarian?

I don't get why so many Ayn Rand fans are simply normal conservative right-wingers who don't want to spend money on the military. Rand would be so fucking disappointed.

>>13500

>You don't know what you're talking about. You're just unskeptically regurgitating media narrative.

enlighten us anon, or are you just a big mouthed POS who calls names and doesn't bother backing up his shit. Are you a Trump?

I'm not for shillary btw. I don't know why you needed to assume so. However, now that you are at it I would vote for Shillary over a sensationalist moron with no obvious understanding of politics any day of the week.

>>13501

>We’ll rebuild our military and make it so strong no one, and I mean no one will mess with us.

I chuckled. Normies don't understand that jihadists aren't motivated by rational values like keeping your ass safe.

>>14317

>Bill Gates

>having any influence over the Internet infrastructure and its censorship

>Bill Gates

>actually knowing shit about technology

sometimes I forget that most people is actually this retarded.

>>14540

we need to get rid of SJWs

>>14592

>and doesn't bother backing up his shit.

Except if you read further you could see I did. Holy shit, the media calls the man Hitler 24/7 and you call him the sensationalist. Learn to put things into perspective.

>moron with no obvious understanding of politics any day of the week.

In other words not Trump. The man runs a multi-billion dollar business, that is politics. Meanwhile Shillary is an idiot who is currently under criminal investigation.