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74e707 No.10495

Sometimes even tribal hunter gathers can be atheists.

Belief in the supernatural is not a universal human failing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p0mV_v6cSw

1eec4d No.10496

Awesome hard-boiled tribe (apparently there were many Atheist African tribes, or tribes that only believed in malicious Gods.) I have read many stories about Mormons deconverting when their faith was challenged as missionaries in 3rd countries like the Philippines.

The guy from the video has said more:

https://ffrf.org/publications/freethought-today/item/13492-the-pirahae-people-who-define-happiness-without-god


1eec4d No.10498


7ceaf4 No.10499

The Piraha aren't atheists, they believe in spirits and shit. Stop perpetuating this lie.


4008ef No.10501

>>10499

I'm pretty sure you can believe in spirits and still be an atheist.


7ceaf4 No.10502

>>10501

It makes you stupider than Christians, because at least they go all the way with their shit.


74e707 No.10503

>>10502

Wait a sec.. Did you say it's less stupid to go all the way with a bad idea?


55b8bc No.10511

>>10499

If you read the book, around pe 130 or so they have a show where some villagers believe and act like they have been possessed by spitits while others watch. They can believe in them because (and this is important)….They believe they have witnessed spirits firsthand in cases like this, and are surrounded by people they trust who have also witnessed them. The point is, missionaries always have failed because they tried to teach people to believe in scriptures by dead guys. They would ask the author did you meet Jesus. Or did you meet the guy who talked about Jesus and he would say no, so they would disregard it. They and so were vaccinated against it by missionaries who told them crazy stuff about church and heaven, and by ethnocentric to foreign idead.

They also lack a creation myth because they are pragmatic, and live in the present and do not talk about the distant past. To do so would be fantastical, and talking about things no one could be sure about, having not witnessed or met those people first hand. If a trusted/befriended missionary said he had witnessed miracles firsthand they might pay more attention, but even then they would have no way of verifying it for themselves, and would remain naturally skeptical.


7ceaf4 No.10524

>>10511

>They believe they have witnessed spirits firsthand in cases like this, and are surrounded by people they trust who have also witnessed them.

Then their ignorant and naive, my point still stands.


1eec4d No.10529

>>10524

The people who say they're a tribe of Atheists haven't even read the first page of his book where he talks about spirits. The author never said they were a tribe of Atheists, at least not in his book which I have read. (I skipped over a lot of the linguistics rambling.)

Btw, you know what surprised me is I've actually toured Manaus, PV, seen the mixing of the waters, and therefore gone up at least a handful of the same rivers he talked about. (I thought he would be so far in the boonies he wouldn't mention any place I'd visited as a tourist, but reading familiar names made it feel less remote.) Of course, I thought my vacation at the eco resort was as fake as Disneyland, especially since it included a tour of a "authentic Indian village" complete with dancing and plastic chairs, and apart from the dancers they wore Western clothing except for the kids. It took hours to get there by boat, and I assumed they had all been Westernized in the region. I might have asked better questions if I had done any research, except I had little interest in South America or the Amazon at the time, and spent most of the vacation in a state of paranoid ethnocentrism, avoiding certain foods, eyeballing evey stranger as a potential pickpocket, and trying to ensure that not a single mosquito landed long enough to give me Malaria.

It's surprising how the pictures, like of half naked people running down wooden sidewalks on stilts look like things I saw. The book's descriptions of boats, and vendors along the river, and the animals fit. It has made it believable that there really was a frontier with barely contacted tribes somewhere past where I was sheltered, and beyond the boats that we rode on.


1eec4d No.10535

What I find odd is how it took him twenty years for him to reveal he was a closet Atheist, and that his wife divorced him saying, "I'll only stay with you if you come back to God," and he said "Well, it's finished then." I wonder if he decided to write his book partly because all the New Atheist writers had been so profitable.

He also said he went to ritzy Biola University, and his evangelical professor told him "You gotta get people lost before you can save them," which sums up the destructive way missionaries can work. He said people wrote him letters saying, "I came to Christ because of you, and now you say you don't believe." Or people hate him for acting fake and Evangelical. A takeaway is that someone who commited to a humanitarian mission that was supported by religious organizations might be inclined to hide their lack of belief for many years, "for the better good."


74e707 No.10573

>>10511

>Mon) 23:06:

>>10524

Well, the important thing is that they resisted becoming Christians and a missionary has had his mind freed .


7dd126 No.10609

>>10495

Subhuman trash not believing in God isn't exactly a selling point


74e707 No.10619

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>>10609

Is that you /pol/?


d1cee6 No.10622

>>10573

>>10609

One of the points in the book is that their lives are already fine without what the West is trying to impose upon them. They do not want religion, permanent things, or much of the materialism. If offered they will often accept gifts, but at their core they are a stoic people, hardened by their environment, who are willing to face death and live in the now.

There is a hilarious verse in the book where an Indian tells the author a Jesuit tried to convert them while he what's a as gone, and they don't want Jesus because he will not allow you to have sex as you like (they have sex with their own genders, 9 year olds, and can change partners at any time evem when marrie.) Jesus will take you to the city and confine you to a building called church without any doors or windows to be told you can't have sex as you please, and then they will take you to heaven which is a place you can't escape from. (The Indian didn't seem to know what exactly heaven was, but it sounded like a prison to him.)


6a5794 No.10623

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>I told them my stepmother died by an heroing

>they then all burst into laughter

topkek


1eec4d No.10624

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>>10623

The tribe probably realized a stepmother killing herself, leading to him having faith in Jesus was a non sequitur. Moreover, in their isolated, happy, and short-lived community, suicide was incomprehensible and therefore funny.


7ceaf4 No.10625

>>10619

He's the good part of /pol/, he's what /pol/ used to be, because he's right.

/pol/, almost always right.


b187a5 No.10793

>>10499

I think your use of the terms "atheist" and "god" are dishonest. I am an atheist and a skeptic, but that doesn't mean all atheists need to be skeptic about other things than gods.

The Eastern religions don't have gods and so they are called atheistic, but that doesn't mean they don't talk about supernatural beings and superstitious mechanisms operating behind reality.

>>10524

>Then their ignorant and naive, my point still stands.

your point is a red hearring to this thread. nobody claimed that the Piraha were the fucking greatest scientist to have ever lived


f290a9 No.10797

>>10624

Maybe they even interpreted 'killing yourself' as dying by accident.




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