6f4931 No.10626[Last 50 Posts]
Do you believe in preserving or abolishing taboos in general? (Sexual taboos include prohibitions on intermarriage, masturbation, incest, nudity, or making out in public); personally I think society would be more interesting if folks were allowed to be more openly promiscuous.
I especially don't understand why there is so much opposition to incest, and see it as a non-issue due to modern technology. Marrying your first cousin is usually illegal, even though it doesn't raise the probability of your offspring acquiring genetic diseases to the extent most people believe. Contraceptives and abortion also can prevent mishaps exist. I know from talking to my friends that many guys feel genetic attraction upon meeting new cousins.
05bcfe No.10627
I think society would be better if we augmented our brains so we weren't incessantly bothered by sexual urges and reproduction was dealt by artificial wombs and zygote assembly. This would be true sexual liberation.
047c00 No.10628
>>10626
Sure, why not? Just because they get married doesn't mean they'll have kids.
>>10627
Sounds expensive.
a71258 No.10630
>>10626
Nevermind cousins. The deeper question is why we don't allow incest with your siblings or your parents.
6251bb No.10635
>>10626
>>10630
In a perfect world this wouldn't be a problem. But think about this. Some father
could convince bis young daughter that they "belong together". 18 years of indoctrination could convince her that's right. It opens the door for abuse. Same with siblings with a huge age difference.
It's hard to make that into a law or moral rule.
I'm ok with sibling incest if they are raised separately and meet as adults.
Polygamy is another problem. It should be legal but it will imho not work. 2 people couples are already unstable.
1b6156 No.10638
>>10635
>could convince bis young daughter that they "belong together". 18 years of indoctrination could convince her that's right. It opens the door for abuse. Same with siblings with a huge age difference.
Evidence?
There is no evidence that is so. If you're worried about power-differentials then you wouldn't let any man marry a woman, but guess which relationship type has the highest rates of abuse, Lesbian women. I think it has less to do with age-difference and power-differentials than it has to do with irresponsible people.
Plus, if you're worried about this, you don't want parents to be raised by children, right?
>>10630
>Muh power-differentials
>>10627
>I think society would be better if we augmented our brains so we weren't incessantly bothered by sexual urges
Those sexual urges make us the advanced species we are today.
762167 No.10639
>>10638
>Evidence?
Evidence for what? That people like Josef Fritzl exist? That it's more likely that a father abuses his daughter then father and daughter fall in love like normal people?
Are you kidding me?
05bcfe No.10647
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>>10638
>Those sexual urges make us the advanced species we are today.
Nope, these were a necessity given how we evolved but they certainly are not what makes us advanced. In fact our sexual urges while sustaining our species are also incredibly taxing and take time away from the development of science and engineering.
43386b No.10652
>having sexual hangups at all ever
Knuckle dragging bullshit.
>>10635
>Some father
could convince bis young daughter that they "belong together". 18 years of indoctrination could convince her that's right. It opens the door for abuse. Same with siblings with a huge age difference.
This can already happen. It's actually easier because people don't like talking about the subject.
ebbe23 No.10655
>>10647
But all of human endeavors, science, art, engineering, is motivated by the need to impress chicks.
Take that motivation away and humanity crumbles.
I learn stuff from sci-fi themed cartoons too.
05bcfe No.10657
>>10655
On a serious note:
>But all of human endeavors, science, art, engineering, is motivated by the need to impress chicks.
>Take that motivation away and humanity crumbles.
As much as I'd like to use this for explaining why progress is at a snail's pace as it deters from the goal of doing science and engineering in of themselves. Kinda like those shitty bands that exist for the sole purpose of picking up chicks, unlike those bands that exist for the music. This just isn't so:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/three-critical-elements-sustain-motivation/
http://www.jstor.org/stable/2776628?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>Desire for recognition is a theoretically and empirically indadequate key to the motivation of scientists. A large proportion of the scientific community publishes very little. The elite, prolific scientists are neither dependent on nor rewarded for the publication of their research, and most work by average scientists is hardly ever acknowledged, much less rewarded, with citations and prizes.
1b6156 No.10659
>>10657
Where does it say that's not the case. Look at Japan as an example. Waifus make everything better.
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57cc6c No.10705
>>10626
>Atheism on sexuality
look OP, you can ask what political or philosophical patterns are popular among atheists, but you shouldn't imply that atheism is spoused with some political view or the other because:
a) it degrades the rather simple and coherent (to the extent that the definition of deity is coherent and simple) meaning of atheism.
b) it doesn't help making theists abandon their prejudice against atheists
711b33 No.10709
>>10705
>Implying that atheism hasn't just become another tool for the SJWs
It's not a coincidence that the vast majority of SJWs are atheists.
7f0105 No.10712
>>10709
>Vast majority of SJWs are atheists
Nice unfounded claim there, bub.
05bcfe No.10715
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>>10709
LOL, if you haven't noticed the SJW religion is multiculturalism. They may claim to be atheists but they bend over so much for religion they may as well be going to church, or in their cases mosque, every week. You see the thing with SJWs is faith in this idea that every thing is equal (except cis white males who are demonspawn) and atheism being a position on religion not found through faith it's really a thorn in their side.
711b33 No.10723
>>10715
The problem with atheists is that they're so absorbed in their hate for old white conservative Christians that they'll latch onto any ideology that constantly attacks them. Sad, turns out atheists are really just whiny little kids rebelling against their parents.
7f0105 No.10724
>>10723
>The problem with atheists is that they're so absorbed in their hate for old white conservative Christians
Atheists are usually against religion in general. America atheists tend to focus on Christianity more but consider this: Christianity is the dominant religion in America and the one that's trying to shove itself into everything
Try again, son.
871d0d No.10725
>>10723
New Atheism probably is the only movement(or subculture) that successfully managed to shake off a hijacking attempt by SJWism, so far.
Atheism+ has been reduced to a joke and chased away to the tumblr echochambers it once crawled out of and the authors that jumped on the bandwagon are ostracized, ridiculed or already forgotten.
New Atheists are openly hostile to cultural relativsm and multiculturalism.
If they hate white conservative Christians that they hate them for the same reasons they hate brown conservative Muslims. It's because they are following and trying to force their failing iron and bronze age ideologies on others.
The reason for Christianity being the primary target is because most of them just live in primarily Christian countries and a lot of New Atheist consider Islam to be the worse religion, well this new phenomenon has been kickstarted by the 9/11 attacks!
43386b No.10729
>>10715
>multiculturalism
You know, I just realized how fucking stupid this concept is. Multi- as in more than one. Why would you want more than one culture in the same place? That just creates tension and conflict. If all cultures have valuable things to offer, shouldn't we shoot for a composite culture instead of multiple cultures? Shouldn't we pull the best ideas from every culture to make the best possible culture? Furthermore, how is wanting to keep cultures separate and distinct not the racist position?
1b6156 No.10734
>>10723
>The problem with atheists
>implying there's a problem to begin with.
>their hate for old
Nope.
>white
I'm white. But you sound like a shitskin.
>conservative
I've met many conservative atheists. Try again.
>Christians
Problem, christfag?
> that they'll latch onto any ideology that constantly attacks them.
>Atheist muslims
>Atheist pagans
>Atheist catholics
>Atheist protestants
Nope, you'll have to make a better strawman than that.
>Sad, turns out atheists are really just whiny little kids rebelling against their parents.
The strawman is out of control. You really need some perspective on the subject.
>>10724
>Atheists are usually against religion in general.
Not so. That's a common misconception. Not every atheist is an antitheist, but out of those that are, you're correct.
>>10725
>Atheism+ has been reduced to a joke
This. The last time I have heard of it outside of Statuefag's strawmen, was a year ago.
>>>10729
>shouldn't we shoot for a composite culture instead of multiple cultures?
This. I can go into a Mexican house and see Mexican shit, I can go into a Danish house and see Danish shit, I can go into an Asian house and see Asian shit. That's where culture belongs.
>Furthermore, how is wanting to keep cultures separate and distinct not the racist position?
Anti-racists are the largest racists, take a look at Tumblr.
88a802 No.10739
>>10729
>composite culture
I like that idea, but how would you go about creating something like that? Not everyone agrees on what parts of a culture are the best.
05bcfe No.10740
>>10729
>If all cultures have valuable things to offer, shouldn't we shoot for a composite culture instead of multiple cultures? Shouldn't we pull the best ideas from every culture to make the best possible culture?
Because that would be appropriation, which is bad because it makes SJWs cry for some reason even though it's literally the smartest way to go culturally. I don't need to pray to Vishnu to enjoy some Vindaloo but if I don't I'm trivializing their culture or something according to SJWs.
>Furthermore, how is wanting to keep cultures separate and distinct not the racist position?
Racism would be ascribing a race to a culture, which is exactly what SJWs incessantly do hence one of their favorite terms: Islamophobia (criticizing Islam is wrong because they're brown). So I wouldn't say keeping cultures separate and distinct isn't racist as it's pants on head retarded for the reasons you mentioned. The fact is people can pick up and drop aspects of cultures, there is no reason to keep the whole package when so much of it is a burden. So I'm going to enjoy my Vindaloo without praying to Ganesh and I hope people in India can enjoy pizza without praying to Jesus.
7f0105 No.10742
>>10734
Not to disagree but I did not imply that every atheist is against religion:
My post: "Atheists are usually against religion in general."
>Usually
1b6156 No.10751
>>10742
Not even most atheists are against religion. You seem to browse Plebbit too much.
1b6156 No.10752
>>10739
Let it happen naturally. Look at how it worked out for the Nips. Japan technically has a composite culture, but amazingly, they still have their original culture intact! Because that's what a composite culture is. It doesn't dilute the host culture, it supplements it, but as long as people are aware that it's a supplement, that's fine, otherwise you get South Africa.
6f4931 No.10758
>>10752
Japan is a bad example of a tolerant society to emulate. Yes they're more tolerant than Korea, and they like whites (not so much other Asians), but good luck finding a decent apartment there without being rejected from 90 percent of them.
43386b No.10762
>>10739
The way we used to. Have some kind of cultural/economic center where people can trade goods and ideas. Let the market sort it out. I mean look at how much came out of Baghdad before we got the "hurr books are evil" people springing up and wrecking everything.
>>10740
>Because that would be appropriation, which is bad because it makes SJWs cry for some reason even though it's literally the smartest way to go culturally. I don't need to pray to Vishnu to enjoy some Vindaloo but if I don't I'm trivializing their culture or something according to SJWs.
I'm finding it harder and harder not to think this cultural appropriation shit is the result of SJWs wanting to keep cultures "pure" in the same ritual sense that some religions are anal about hygiene and sexual purity.
>The fact is people can pick up and drop aspects of cultures, there is no reason to keep the whole package when so much of it is a burden.
Here's something fun to try if you ever meet someone who disagrees with this. Once, I was talking to a (kind of dim) friend who said that it's wrong to say some cultures are better than others. My comeback was "So there's no difference between pre- and post-slavery American culture?" He didn't have anything to say after that.
1b6156 No.10782
>>10758
I lived in Japan for 5 years, it's not difficult. The whole "Japan is a xenophobic country" is in large part, a myth. To be sure, there are many people there that do reject foreigners, but as long as you speak the language, aren't loud and obnoxious like most Americans there, don't break laws/cause trouble, and be a prodoctive member of their society, you shouldn't have a problem fitting in.
>>10762
>hurr books are evil
So Muslims.
>SJWs wanting to keep cultures "pure" in the same ritual sense that some religions are anal about hygiene and sexual purity.
So that the whole plan backfires and they say it's dear to them, but then they ignore that when their balls deep in a dirty prostitute.
>Here's something fun to try if you ever meet someone who disagrees with this. Once, I was talking to a (kind of dim) friend who said that it's wrong to say some cultures are better than others. My comeback was "So there's no difference between pre- and post-slavery American culture?" He didn't have anything to say after that.
Good one. I'm going to use that one.
88a802 No.10784
>>10782
>So Muslims.
Mongols.
6f4931 No.10786
>>10782
How did you find a decent apartment? I've heard its difficult to not be thrown in a special crowded one for gaijins without a Japanese gf.
9f6ed5 No.10787
>>10709
aren't SJWs the ones calling atheists islamophobic and racist?
I say it is not a coincidence that the vast majority of scientists are atheists and that shitty countries correlate with religiosity
>>10723
the problem with theists is that they jump to the conclusion and misrepresent their opponents view like you are doing right now.
>>10729
who cares how many cultures are there, how different they are and how geographically close they are as long as they don't interfere with your life?
05bcfe No.10790
>>10762
>"So there's no difference between pre- and post-slavery American culture?"
Such REKT. Well said.
>>10787
>as long as they don't interfere with your life?
The idiotic cultures do interfere with our lives, pics related.
7f4fc1 No.10828
>>10762
Shouldn't he have said yes? Why didn't he?
9f2f0f No.10835
>>10626
All I really want is for skinny dipping to become normal. It's like 10X better than wearing a swimsuit.
f0cb26 No.10970
Are you guys FUCKING SERIOUS?
>incest isn't immoral
>babies should be born in artificial wombs
>there's no slippery slope in atheism
There are no divine laws, so we can just do whatever the fuck we want now, huh?
I get butthurt comments from other atheists online about how they would NEVER accept such immoral atrocities and how I am a bigot for thinking they have no moral framework… and yet here we are now…talking about this degenerate shit like it's no big deal. There's just so much hypocrisy I can't even.
This is why moral relativism is just so scary. Literally ANYTHING goes…I'm gonna throw up now
I get that most of you guys are more of honest intellectuals instead of the fedora YouTubers, but still, nothing truly being right or wrong is…haunting
595f4e No.10971
>>10970
are you appealing to emotions to determine morality? :^)
595f4e No.10972
>>10970
But really, actually. What is so inhumane about both of those things?
Incest, as long as both individuals are consenting and have proper state of mind, is just gross. It's bad for survival of a species and most people including myself find it personally disgusting. But how is it immoral?
Artificial wombs. Maybe you've forgotten how much of a sordid mess the human reproduction system is but needless to say standing on our hind legs really fucked things up down there. Infant mortality is still pretty damn high compared to other animals and it would be a lot worse were it not for modern medicine. Babies are still born premature, mothers still miscarry, babies are still stillborn on occasion, despite our best efforts. The mother is heavily encumbered for months at a time and the actual act of birthing a child isn't a walk in the park either. Plenty of chances for her to die during that process.
I see nothing but benefits. Of course it should be up to the individual. Again, what would be immoral with a hypothetically much safer and liberating (for the mother) alternative. Does getting shoved out of a proper cunt really make that much of a difference? Explain how this would be immoral.
>There are no divine laws, so we can just do whatever the fuck we want now, huh?
On a basic level, yes. Nothing's stopping you. There's no cosmic justice coming down on your head. But that doesn't mean you can't act reasonably.
f0cb26 No.10973
>>10971
I'm appealing to the fixed moral framework. I guess without it, I WOULD be just using my emotions, but again, there lies the problem. Moral relativism opens the door for so much wrong based solely on emotions. What if a society comes together and says that killing children is a good way to relieve stress? There's literally nothing wrong with that statement because there is no such thing we "wrong or right", it's whatever the community feels is "right"…
Don't get me wrong, it's the most realistic, but it still sucks because that means good and evil don't exist either and henceforth no hope or ultimate justice either
f0cb26 No.10974
>>10972
>but that doesn't mean I can't act reasonably
One society's "reasonable" could be very different from another. Again, there's nothing that says it could be, it's ALL based on perception. This whole mindset is scary to have, but as an honest intellectual I can't escape it
f0cb26 No.10975
>>10974
I've actually been reading "A Brave New World" recently, so that's why I've been thinking about this topic…
Problem is that you literally can't counter the arguments. Nobody is truly being "hurt", but that doesn't equate to something being "moral" at all
Ugh I'm gonna sleep on this
595f4e No.10976
>>10973
I was about to type out a big long post but there was a lot of shit I was forgetting so I deleted the whole thing and instead will present you this.
http://www.atheismandthecity.com/2013/02/a-case-for-secular-morality-objective.html
You're probably not impressed by that website name and this guy is by no means a professional ethicist. BUT, I think he does lay down a pretty solid case for objective, naturalistic morality. If you have the time or interest try taking a look.
One thing I will add is that the religious source for morality is often much more flawed than any secular conceptions. I've never seen a single theologian or apologist answer the euthyphro dilemma successfully.
It's either divine command. Morality is arbitrary and god decides it because he's powerful. Or morality exists separate from him and if god commanded something that was immoral, he'd be wrong. Thomas Aquinas himself accepted the latter proposal.
822673 No.10977
>10973
>religion has a fixed moral framework
No major one does
>emotions can often be relevant to decision-making
Correlation is not causation.
eb43f6 No.10981
>>10970
What should we do about consensual incest?
Should we put them in jail?
Sould we ostracize them?
Some countries already have no legal punishment against it and it doesn't go rampant.
Why? Relatives are usually not attracted in that way. But some are raised seperatly but meet later in life and fall in love.
I would say it's more moral to let them be. They know the risks if they choose to have kids.
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>>10970
This has to be bait. Nobody can be this stupid. Oh wait, you must be a christian.
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880448 No.11114
>>11109
I saw what you did.
880448 No.11115
>>11114
I'm stupid, sorry.
115a7e No.11117
>sageing before 50
seriously kill yourselves
880448 No.11119
>>11117
Wasn't us, I tried to snipe it but I'm shit.
115a7e No.11120
>>11119
>wasn't us
bullshit
It definitely was you
The person who got the GET was you
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>>11121
your team is still you
880448 No.11123
>>11122
The only teammate that is online right now said it wasn't him. We're not taking these points, it wasn't us.
6f4931 No.11743
Wow the spam. Found a website talking about a blogger who doesnt want his 6 year old to wear spaghetti straps. Patheos seems to have blogs for atheist and christians, but they sell christian books. Do they censor, or are they trustworthy?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2015/01/did-you-know-spaghetti-straps-are-sinful/
1064c7 No.11756
>>10626
>incest
must stay illegal, look all the genetic problems in somalia and India
c3fe55 No.11769
>>11756
What about incest between sterilized partners?
ebbe23 No.11776
>>10626
Human morality evolved.. Some of it is adaptive.
Cheap and easy sex is not good for you.
Emotional intimacy and physical intimacy are things to be earned.
Even if it's only because of the mental trick of effort justification, where we value the things we struggled for more than things we just blundered into.
6f4931 No.11777
>>11776
In that case sell your car and pedal a bike beside the freeway to work, I don't care if it's twenty miles, the effort is good for you. Don't buy anything at the store. It's all made in China anyway. Weave your own t-shirts, don't use paper, but write everything in bark with a stone knife you made yourself. Churn your own butter and cheese, turn off the air conditioning in summer: sweating only makes life more rewarding. Then abandon all technology and live as man was meant to - cold, hungry, frightened, ignorant, and in pain, but allegedly perfectly happy because he doesn't rely on anyone.
6f4931 No.11778
>>11776
>we value the things we struggled for more than things we just blundered into.
Will you replace your calculator with a slide ruler?
ebbe23 No.11779
>>11777
>>11778
Not a fair analogy at all, kids. Perhaps I should have explained the idea better.
Sex , for lack of better words, is powerful magic.
It should not be taken lightly.
Whenever I've had sex, I've felt a strong emotional bond, (even when that was not really the case)
The act does something to your brain chemistry to encourage pair-bonding. This evolved to keep the couple together for more effective child rearing. (Sex is where babies come from.)
This brain chemistry when used properly can bring you great joy,, or you can abuse it until it becomes trivial and empty.
If you want your "love making" to become as empty as giving a high five to a strangers at a football game,, that's your choice but it is not a wise one.
Moderation and restraint have fuck all to do with morality or god, and lot to do with the quality of your life.
6f4931 No.11780
>>11779
I could either enjoy sex more often with a variety of body types and personalities, or I could curve my pleasures and chain myself to someone I would be less and less physically attracted to in the Twilight years. I could have sex friends, bond with multiple people and still having a primary partner, or I could chain myself to an increasingly frigid woman going through menopause and live like a monk.
ebbe23 No.11781
>>11780
That's a fine short term strategy for you when you are young and attractive.. but you won't always be sexually appealing.
You are going to get old and ugly, just like everyone else.
But you'll still have physical intimacy needs and you won't have any value on the hook up scene.
But having an actual emotional bond insures you can still have intimacy.
And when you actually have that bond,, you can be aroused by more than physical appearance.
When you love someone,, they get prettier.
Enjoy dying alone libertine.
6f4931 No.11782
>>11781
>But you'll still have physical intimacy needs and you won't have any value on the hook up scene.
If I reach that bridge, there's porn and legalized prostitution in Nevada and various countries. If all you care most about emotional bonds, mary your 70 year old gay philosophy professor and he can intellectually stimulate you at night with poetry about his flacid dick.
ebbe23 No.11783
>>11782
Wow.. you're triggered.
Listen to yourself,, do you really want to end up an lonely old man with a house full of porn who blows his social security check on whores on the first of the month?
Is that the sort of life you'd be proud to lead?
6f4931 No.11791
>>11783
Death comes to everyone including your mate.
Look at grandpa 's life and accept your fate. A culture of mating once for life will punish whoever outlived the other with unnecessary loneliness.
ebbe23 No.11792
>>11791
Sure death comes to everyone…
and its long lingering and painful..
But which is better cuddling with a fat old women you love,, or paying a whore to knock your junk around.
Ever been to a real whore.. It's depressing.
They just want you to blow your load and go away.