/atheism/ - Atheism

Forgot my question kek

Why do you guys believe that homosexuality is born with you?

Does that mean anyone can be born, pedophile, necrophiliac, a muslim, atheist, etc?

Hi statuefag, still thinking in false dichotomies? Biology and environmental factors can both cause you to desire homosexual intercourse.

-if you have multiple older brothers you are statistically more likely to become gay, probably due to hormonal changes in the womb from having all those boys.

-If I grew up only befriending girls I personally think I'd wanted to fuck a girl. Maybe one of them.

Btw a Kentucky Christfag working at court, still refuses to follow the verdict of the US supreme court.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/01/us-usa-gaymarriage-kentucky-idUSKCN0R13S220150901

>>10843

>faggot assume I am religious just because I think being a faggot is a choice.

How cocks have you sucked lately?

>>10842

>Why do you guys believe that homosexuality is born with you?

Brain structure differences are too great to be accomplished by limited on average neuroplasticity from environmental conditioning.

http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/262525

>The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.

>>10845

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/27/9403.abstract?ijkey=cd7a71915ea1f62eed0f5f3ca74e867df41c0fe3&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

>PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects

As far as I'm aware having a lot of sisters doesn't increase your chances of being gay. Neither does being friends with mainly girls. Unless you have a study to back that up.

Oddly enough having lots of older brothers does rather strongly increase your chances of being gay. This is theorized to be due to changes in the womb.

http://www.pnas.org/content/103/28/10771.long

Read up if you wish. There are multiple studies that confirm the effect, at the very least. Causation still isn't clear.

But even so, if we were to assume that your idea is true. That social influences in a child's life affect their ultimate sexual orientation as an adult. How is that a choice? That pretty clearly seems to be out of the person's control by the time they're an adult. Even if they weren't born gay straight out the womb at this point they are and don't have any interest in women.

Whether it's their choice or not however I think most of us just don't give a shit. If you want to have consensual sex with another adult of the same gender I don't understand why I should care.

>>10845

http://www.reasons.com

>However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy.

That explains why faggots differentiate themselves from women and wants a 3rd gender on almost anything.

Topkek

>>10847

And why should I believe these articles?

>>10850

You can go ahead and investigate the credentials of whatever university or organization has reported them. I don't know why you'd lend your own intuition more credit than empirical science however.

>>10841

>you grew only befriending girls. There's a high chance you'll end up being homosexual.

How?

The evidence tells us that you are born a fag just as you are born straight.

>>10844

If you don't want to be called religious, then don't act religious.

>>10848

What are you even trying to say? Perhaps you should go to /pol/, they tend to welcome your brand of schizophrenia.

>>10850

>Why should I believe the evidence?

>Why shouldn't I just stick with my flawed analogies?

Such a lack of self-awareness, are you sure you're not religious?

>E.g you grew only befriending girls. There's a high chance you'll end up being homosexual.

All of your examples are: Because you do this, you're more likely to be gay. However, it's more likely that the scenario would be 'Because you are gay, you're more inclined to do this.'

>Does that mean anyone can be born, pedophile, necrophiliac, a muslim, atheist, etc?

Are you seriously trying to compare sexuality to philosophy? No one comes out of the womb praying to Muhammad, bro.

>>10841

>Now my point here is, since all of your siblings are girls, the chance of you being gay is high.

Would you care to support that claim with evidence?

I was born a atheist pedophile pls accept me. Legalize me

>>10859

Simple. You will be influenced by the girly habits of your sisters.

>Now my point here is, since all of your siblings are girls, the chance of you being gay is high.

<citation needed>

>>10881

That's not evidence m8. That's intuition.

>>10881

Girly habits don't make you gay. This is some statuefag level of reasoning.

Even if homosexuality is 100% nurture that doesn't mean it's a choice. However a homosexual person has come to be a homosexual he can't just turn into a heterosexual person on a whim therefore it's not a choice.

>>10845

>>10846

So I was right. Homosexuality *is* a mental disorder.

>>10906

Mental disorders inhibit functioning. That's why they're called that. Homosexuality by itself does not. Only insofar that you might have worse career prospects and self-esteem if you live around retarded religious people.

>>10906

It's not a disorder. Transexuality is.

>>10841

>You guys believe that homosexuals are born that way and that homosexuality isn't a choice right?

why would atheists all magically agree on something that is unrelated to belief in deities?

>since all of your siblings are girls, the chance of you being gay is high

because of…

>Being gay is all about being influenced

>you grew only befriending girls. There's a high chance you'll end up being homosexual.

you are assuming one direction of causal relationship. couldn't it be that people who end up being homosexual befriend people of the opposite sex in their infancy because they were hard-wired to be homosexual from birth?

I don't think there's a single factor behind homosexuality, but genetic predisposition is the main one. most animal species have about 10% of homosexuals and bisexuals

>>10842

>Does that mean anyone can be born, pedophile, necrophiliac

some people do. this doesn't mean I endorse paedophilia, it only means that I acknowledge the fact that pedos might want to fuck children for the same natural impulses most people want to fuck adults of the opposite sex.

but unlike paedophilia, what happens between to adult gays consenting to sex is not an ethical concern. none is harmed

>a muslim, atheist, etc?

are you retarded?

strictly speaking, EVERYBODY is born an implicit atheist, but the volitive choice of a religion or lack of it is caused by rational deliberation, or upbringing, misinformation, etc; not a genetic or epigenetic predisposition.

some dudes get boners looking at males while others when looking at females for the same reason some dudes are born with light skin and others don't. Of course the dudes who get boners with more dudes can choose not to fuck them and maybe fuck women, as the dudes who get boners with women can choose not to fuck them an maybe fuck dudes instead, but that doesn't mean homosexuality or heterosexuality isn't biologically ingrained in them.

>>10844

>faggot cherry-picks the part of the argument that is wrong to dismiss the rest of the criticism, then asks a syntactically malformed question and expects to be answered

>>10841

If you have to choose to be straight, you're gay

>>10879

There is nothing wrong with pedophilia.

>>10841

>You guys believe that homosexuals are born that way and that homosexuality isn't a choice

Says who? Atheism is irrelevant to the subject of sexuality.

>>14265

Sexual orientation is laregly a function of the brain so neurologically, those feelings aren't a choice. The actions may be moreso. But this is all bullshit anyway. Regardless if it's choice or not, I'm not going to babysit two men and say they don't have the freedom to touch each other's penises behind closed doors.

Why do we argue such topics of fascism from people who get offended so easily? There's a hell of a lot more shit to be offended about in this world, stuff that actually matters.

>>14271

It is necessary for some Christians that they think there is such a thing as a choice.

>>14274

Except when it comes to things like their kids died because they refused to use actual medicine in which case it's all part of God's plan and beyond human control.

>>10841

>You guys believe that homosexuals are born that way and that homosexuality isn't a choice right?

why would we. I mean, many of us do but this has nothing to do we gods.

we are atheists, not pro-nature homosexualists.

>>10841

>>10852

>Your parents have 5 childrens. 1 boy, the youngest is you then the rest of your siblings are all girls.

>Now my point here is, since all of your siblings are girls, the chance of you being gay is high.

chances are higher but not for the reasons you think. The most important factor here is endocrinology in the womb and genetics; the influence of nurture is rather low.

>>14274

Its necessary for parents to think they can pay 70,000 dollars in tuition for a year and their kid will stop being gay.

>You guys believe that homosexuals are born that way and that homosexuality isn't a choice right?

You've confused atheist with liberal.